Reigniting the Crusades is probably a bad idea
Christopher Preble over at the Cato Institute aptly notes that starting a war against all Muslims might not, in fact, be in our national interest:
This strategy, exploiting still-raw emotion and implicitly demonizing Muslims, threatens to trade short-term political gain for medium-term political harm to the party. And it most certainly will translate into long-term harm for the country at large.
Opposing the construction of a mosque near the Ground Zero site plays into al Qaeda’s narrative that the United States is engaged in a war with Islam, that bin Laden and his tiny band of followers represent something more than a pitiful group of murderers and thugs, and that all American Muslims are an incipient Fifth Column that must be either converted to Christianity or driven out of the country, else they will undermine American society from within. [...]
[W]ho within the GOP will affirm the party’s position that declaring a war on Islam does not advance our nation’s security?
Indeed, from a sane person's point of view the desire to declare more than a billion people around the world to be your sworn enemies seems to be somewhat unwise. There is a perfectly rational counterpoint to this, however: If we let the Muslims build their mosques, they will giggle at the size of our pathetic white penises. Sam Harris logically outlines this view in a Daily Beast column:
The erection of a mosque upon the ashes of this atrocity will also be viewed by many millions of Muslims as a victory—and as a sign that the liberal values of the West are synonymous with decadence and cowardice.
Y'hear that, America? They're gonna erect something big and long right in the middle of your bosom. Are you gonna stand fer that?
Similar noises have been grunted by one of our fiercest holy crusaders, the Radical Cleric Newt al-Ginrichinedad:
There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.
That's right! Newt's sick and tired of submissively bending over for the Muslims! He at least demands that the Saudis give us a reach around first!
Ahem. If I may be (semi)serious for a moment:
If millions of Muslims around the world are actually anticipating a mosque being built in the same neighborhood as a Lower Manhattan strip club so that they can laugh and call us girly-men, then they really need to get lives. I mean guys, seriously. I don't sit fixated to my television waiting to see a report of a new McDonald's getting built near Mecca. There are better uses of my time.
But see, this is the beauty of living in a free society. We can't stop Muslims from building mosques and impugning our manhood*. But at the same time, we can't stop stupid wingnuts from burning the Koran, nor can we stop cartoonists from drawing Mohammad. Everyone can offend everyone else, but no one can stop another person from being offensive.
And this brings me to my final point: Some folks need to relax about this stuff. The construction of a single building does not mean the nationwide implementation of Sharia Law. History teaches us that bad things tend to happen when one ethnic group or nationality decides that another ethnic group or nationality is a monolithic, insidious horde hellbent on weakening its traditions and national character from within through both overt and covert means. Furthermore, such attitudes can give rise to unintended consequences, especially when a country decides to invade another country to simply give it "a 2-by-4 across the side of the head," even if that particular country had done nothing to attack the invading country.
As I said in the title of my post, reigniting the Crusades is probably not a very good idea.
*And yeah, I know that's not what the mosque builders are actually doing but let me play wingnut's advocate.
[Thanks to my pal Tintin for the art!]


Ya think?
Especially since they won the Crusades.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Be fair. It was more or less a tie.
I'm not sure those who are xenophobic in this country care if they hate immigrants, Muslims, and other members of minority groups. They are always looking for a bogeyman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpoyshqB8-o&fe...
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They're a bunch of culture warriors. They WANT Armageddon and WILL install idiocracy to get it.
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bullshit wedge issue that has nothing to do with anything our country's problems we are facing. What is wrong with not onlym Fox but the rest of the MSM. Gawd, help our country.
smoke and mirrors baby!
All that has been said and pleaded, for these clowns to settle down a bit, matters NOT!
They WANT to start another GLOBAL war...they WANT to spend another $ 10 TRILLION DOLLARS OF CHINA'S MONEY...Newt wants ALL Muslims massacred as in the graphic (good work btw); John Bolton is now saying Israel should launch a Nuclear strike against Iran in the next TWO DAYS; I haven't heard a resliglican yet come out and urge restraint on their rhetoric which they believe only goes out their mouth and to local ears...they are SO stupid; Gen. Betrayus wants us to stay in Iraq and NOW Afghanistan another hundred years (he should be fired TODAY)... the list just seems to go on endlessly..
Is there a sane voice in politics today?? Anywhere in America???
no.
something about bin Laden going after the twin towers because of the international banking offices?
if so was this an attack on the US, or an attack on the "gate keepers"--international banks?
just asking, because I don't know.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Newt gets others to pick up the weapons..
You mean give him a reach-around?
*brain bleach stat*
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
The crazy right wing had their experiment
for a Randian Utopian society in Iraq.
Epic fail.
The whole Mosque thing is a tempest in a
teapot.
I think it is a distraction for the nation
to be so focused on a local or state issue.
If a private party owns the space and has the
right permits and licenses - it's as legal as
the strip clubs and McDonalds.
IMO
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Two week ago it was the Mexicans (and other) illegal immigrants we were to 'make war on'; last week it was those fearsome 'gays and lesbians' who want to marry for love and destroy our world; now, it's the Muslims who want to cook and play basketball......
Oh, that's right, it's an election year!!!??!..
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
It IS amazing how quickly illegal immigrants and teh gays have been replaced by that old standby, the Muslims, as the #1 threat to Motherhood and Apple Pie.
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When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
"I know that there are people who do not love
their fellow man, and I hate people like that!"
Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hATC_2I1wZE
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
we came here and created a nation to get away from people like our reich wing.
So lets be clear:
It's freedom FROM religion, not freedom OF religion.
get it straight, you monger of infidelity.
Alyona talks with Suhail Kahn, former Bush administration official, board member of American Conservative Union, and a GOP Muslim.
Kahn also points out this is not a good strategy for the GOP.
GOP Muslims Fight Islamophobia
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Isn't this kind of talk dangerous for our troops in the mideast? Why heat up the situation when I thought we wanted to get out of there.
.. maybe it's in the financial interest of some of those ramping up the rhetoric for the conflicts in the Middle East to intensify ..
cha-ching!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
This crazy just can't play well in November. This smells like the same Palin-style fear and desperation we saw in Aug of 2008. All we need is moderate motivation by the Democratic "leaders" (Harry Reid is a sick joke). If the Democrats don't gain seats in November, I think it's a clear indication that they don't want to govern well.
the republicans can possibly win in Novmber. Of course who am I? I don't control the voting machines.
First They Came For The Building Permits...
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
In school I learned the Republicans did a Noble Thing by Freeing The Slaves.
Now I'm convinced it was just a Wedge Issue they rode to Power.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Professor Kudzu would have his axe shoved up his arse so far it would have to be extracted in pieces.
'Talk to the hand'
he would not last longer than a moment or two on battlefield.....at least he would not run because he could not....what a wus
Wuss
Like
Puss...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
he is not even a full blown wuss....thus the wus
even in his youth....he could not take my grandmother
If he could
Wouldn't that make you his grandson?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Interesting how Sam's opinion seems to mimic President Obama's?
Will they all just leave NY like this guy?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
He switched religions but retained his fanaticism.
Great.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Newt holding a battle ax? Newt doesn't go to war, he's special and his death in battle would be a disaster to America. When Newt has his chance to go to battle he hid in colleges until VietNam was over. Just so so special.
Newt misses the time of the Crusades. In those days when he wanted to get rid of a wife, he could have just axed her to death with none of those nasty societal repercussions.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
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I think, if we're going to call for a Holy War against Islam, we might just have to have a draft, since our troops are stretched thin as it is. While the poor and middle class suckers are buying into this hatred, the rich will sit back and find a way for their kids not to serve.
Didn't Bush set the tone for Preemptive strikes? That policy might just come back to haunt us if this rhetoric isn't toned down.
I've been to Mecca and I can say, with 100% certainty, that there is a McDonalds and Burger King across the street from the Grand Mosque(tm). They're both inside a shopping complex that houses other American retail outlets.
Your move Newt.
bacon on his cheeseburger then.
me-oww!
If you don't maintain and defend your freedoms you lose them. The argument that the allowing the Islamic cultural center to be built this close to ground zero would demonstrate cowardice to the Islamic world and the weakness of western liberal values and capitulation to the terrorists manages to get it all backwards. Not allowing the Islamic cultural center to be built would be an act of cowardice. And by not allowing the Islamic cultural center to be built, America would be showing that western liberal values are indeed weak. As for the nonsense of capitulation to the terrorists, allowing this project to go forth would be in defiance of the terrorists.
If we could take every religious crazy -- whether Christian, Muslim, or Zionist -- who wants to kill everybody who isn't in their cult, gave them a couple golf clubs each, and dropped them off in the middle of the Australian outback to fight it out to the last one standing, it'd be a better world. Most of them would be happy to pay their own way there and other costs could be partially offset by the reality show rights.
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