IAEA Head Would Welcome Direct US/Iran Dialogue

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Add Mohammed el-Baradei to the list of those welcoming Obama's statements that he'd talk to Iran.

"If there is a direct dialogue between the United States and Iran, I think Iran will be more forthcoming with the agency," IAEA Director Mohamed ElBaradei said.

"(A) political opening will also convince Iran to work with us to solve remaining technical issues," he told a news conference in Prague after meeting Czech Foreign Affairs Minister Karel Schwarzenberg.

"That political component of the (Iran) issue requires in my view a direct dialogue with Iran and that's why I am very encouraged by President-elect Obama's statement that he is ready to engage Iran in a direct dialogue without preconditions.

El-Baradei, who was one of those that said plainly that Iraq had no extant WMD and was thanked for being right by a Bush administration push to replace him, also underlined that, to date, there is no proof Iran is seeking nuclear weapons either.

We are able to verify all their declared activities, we are able to verify their enrichment programme, which is a good thing. But we are still not able to move forward on clarifying some of the outstanding issues related to alleged studies that could have some linkage to a possible military dimension."

Iran says its nuclear plans are to make electricity so it can export more oil and gas.

"There is a lot of concern about Iran, not today but about Iran in future... whether once they develop the technology, what are they going to use it for, whether they will go for nuclear weapons," said ElBaradei.

"That is the concern shared by the Security Council." [Emphaisis Mine - C]

There's a lot in that snippet to unpack.

First of all, there's the unequivocal statement that everything the IAEA has so far checked has come up clean - a civilian program only and one that cannot now be re-directed to military uses without IAEA foreknowledge...

That warning period would be at least six months and possibly a whole year long, so why is anyone still talking about keeping military options on the table? Saber rattling is counter-productive in such a circumstance - there's plenty of time to put talk of such options back in process if Iran ever makes a move to re-enrich to bomb-grade but for now there is no such program.

Secondly - the "alleged" studies el-Baradei refers to are all from 2003 and earlier, from a time when US intelligence says Iran did have a nuke program, in a very early stage, which has since been shut down. Notice all those conditionals?

That's because, as Gareth Porter notes in his latest investigative report, the IAEA has serious doubts about US-provided evidence for how extensive those studies were even then. All the information the US has provided the nuke watchdog has come from a laptop provided by the People's Mujahedeen of Iran, a Marxist-Islamist terrorist organistation advocating regime change in Iran in its own favor, which has provided a long list of faulty intelligence claims about Iran, but which has even so become beloved by neocon advocates that "real men go to Tehran". All of the information on the laptop is open to question about its authenticity. Gareth notes that the "next IAEA report, due out in mid-November, will include the first response by the Agency to a confidential 117-page Iranian critique of the laptop documents, according to the Vienna-based source."

Lastly, El-Baradei makes it clear that the IAEA's only worry now is about what Iran might do in future to turn its current entirely civilian program into one with a military dimension. That's in marked contrast to Bush administration officials, Barrack Obama and other Western political figures, who have continued to talk as if Iran has an extant nuclear weapons program. El-Baradei is reminding the UNSC that the evidence contradicts that rhetoric, something Russia has publicly acknowledged already and has refused to bow to US pressure upon. Even now, the Bush administration is trying to push through a third set of UNSC sanctions before Obama comes into office (and before the IAEA report on the "Laptop of Death"'s credibility) and a new meeting is scheduled in Paris for Thursday.

The neocons may be still pushing their narrative of the need to attack an imminently nuclear Iran, in rampant denial of the collapse of their plans for a New American Century. But the truth is that other US and Western policymakers' hostility to Iran, including Obama's rhetoric, have their roots in the decades old US Embassy fiasco and the campaign of demonization that following it rather than in any actual evidence about Iran's current nuclear plans. While that means that, sans a nuclear "smoking gun" there's little chance now of an attack, the race to sanction Iran for what it isn't doing (while rewarding Pakistan, India and Israel for what they are) will continue and will continue with the threat of war ever present.

"This may be the best example in recent times of highly coordinated threat of force against a country to bring about diplomatic solution...I'm not sure," said Ret. Marine Corps Gen. Joseph Hoar, the former head of CENTCOM, the military command responsible for the whole of the Middle East. "[...F]or people that think this is serious, I would put it in the utter folly department."

The best chance of heading that folly off is Obama's dialogue, as it can open up what Iran and the US share, e.g. on Afghanistan.

"What [the U.S.] can do and can't do with Iran is...pretty much a mystery because we have not been prepared to explore with them what the possibilities are," said [Brent Scowcroft, former Republican NSA]. "[...T]alking in itself is not necessarily a concession."

Crossposted from Newshoggers



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Bush tried to talk to Iran,but they kept asking him,'What the heck is Newkloor?'

I say, "Yeah!!!".

So much better (and cheaper!) and more Obamanationish that we should reach out and DIALOGUE with our "enemies" than launch a pre-emptive military strike on them with what could be potentially false data.

The best way to fight the war on "terrorism" is to listen to our enemies' beefs. Odds are they have a reason to be pissed at us (Israeli/Palestinian quagmire). Blowback's a bitch.

BTW, wisedup, it's "nukuler".

I am a conservative who believes in the need to have a strong military but I think it is a dumb idea to go out and pick fights with everyone.

Hell when 9/11/2001 happened a sizeable bunch of Iranian students went out on the streets and denounced Al-Qaeda's extremism, before they got chased away by Iran's own gestapo-type police.

They wouldn't want to wind up being on the other side of the battle-line any more than we do.

Let's cut a deal with the Iranians. We quit bank rolling the Israelis

as much (they can't possibly survive without us they say), support a two

nation settlement with the Palestinians, we hook them up with lucrative

economic deals, and they lay off the nukes AND provide leadership for

the whole region by bringing their people into the 20th century (the

21st maybe a stretch). At the same time we pressure Egypt and Saudi

Arabia to consider open elections. We don't have to buy Saudi oil.

has a low level weapons development plan operating is debatable. If it exists, and that is a matter of the IAEA to ascertain, then the actual development of weapons is many years away and once the program were far advanced it could not be hidden. I agree that now is the time to start talking. The current policy of demonizing Iran only serves to keep the most extreme elements in that country in power.

"If it exists, and that is a matter of the IAEA to ascertain, then the actual development of weapons is many years away and once the program were far advanced it could not be hidden."

Additionally, the deployment of those weapons would be a hard thing to achieve for Iran.

Iran has many moderates in its nation. I think President-Elect Obama should take advantage of that situation. Their situation is similar to ours where in the United States for the past 8 years 20% of our population has been running the nation. I am sure there are many Iranians who would welcome talks and would support it as well.

and I think it's worth restating:

If I were Iranian, I'd consider nuclear weapons a not-so-bad thing.

You've got nuclear armed, Sunni Pakistan on the eastern border and the ISI's puppets in the Taliban on the northeastern border. Russia, which has invaded the country in the further past, and has influenced Iranian elections in the recent past is on the northwest border. Saudi Arabia is right across the Persian Gulf. There are still a lot of Sunnis being funded by the US and Saudi Arabia inside of neighboring Iraq. Syria, Turkey and Israel are all within distance to strike.

Take the West- Russia, Israel and the US- out of the mix and you're looking at a religious war that's run hot and cold for over 1,000 years. Kind of makes the 30 Years' War seem like the 3 Days' war.

That's a perspective that we must take into consideration when we sit down with Iran.

Andy, then again, South Africa gave up its nukes and Holland has never had them. Both have long histories of conflict with their neighbours (often over religious or ethnic differences). The latter even has nuke-armed neighbours it has been at war with (Iran hasn't had a war with any of its nuke-armed rivals).

I have to say, the US is a militarized society in many ways and one of the least-recognised consequences of that is that it often judges other nations as being more belligerent than they actually are. Add that to the past few decades demonization of Iran by all and sundry (and imagine if the Brits had done that with israel because of the Irgun!) and you have a recipe for potentially seeing only what you want to and jumping to the wrong conclusion. I'm not saying you're wrong, necessarily, just that the evidence says one thing and US suspicions say another - so what's the Occam's razor explanation for the discrepancy? It might not be the one Americans most readily reach for - that Iran is sneakily developing nukes.

Regards, C

Nah, not really. But I'll clarify.

I'm not trying to demonize Iran- quite the opposite. I hope they aren't developing nukes, but considering the spot they're in I wouldn't blame them for wanting to arm themselves with a deterrent.

When I wrote, "Take the West- Russia, Israel and the US- out of the mix," I meant just that. Most Americans (I won't speak for the rest of the West) tend to look at Iran as though we are the only potential enemy. It's an attitude that reeks of American Exceptionalism, imo. Iran has problems in its own neighborhood, and it's had them for hundreds of years longer than the USA has existed.

As for The Netherlands and South Africa- the former fought wars over self-determination and, later, self-preservation. In the post-Hiroshima age they haven't had much to worry about, and even if they did they're part of NATO, three of whose members certainly have nukes.

As for the latter, I don't think that the nukes were there for any reason other than protection of the Apartheid government against violent revolution inside of their own borders. Why would they ever need nukes to fight their neighbors? And it made sense that the new government in SA would disarm themselves, no?

It remains true that more nations with the capability to build nuclear weapons have chosen to NOT do so than otherwise. There are exactly ten states who have built weapons and two of those have given them up since. Brazil, Canada, Italy, Germany, Japan, Indonesia, Australia, Argentina, Turkey, Greece, Belgium, Sweden, Egypt, Libya, Spain, Poland, Romania and a slew of former Soviet states have the probable capability but no arsenal. Despite the rhetoric, it seems easier NOT to have nukes even if you have the capacity to build them.

Regards, C

i am all for Obama having an open
dialogue with iran to make sure we
do not have a nuclear war. iran did
not want to talk with bush,but then again
who in the world does. bush has proved
he is a total fuckhead warmonger bastard.

Obama may be able to help divert the emerging
countries with nuclear power to only develop
peaceful products like energy and not bombs

Americans need to understand that at this very moment Iran as a nation poses no nuclear threat to the world and specifically to the United States.

Beside prima facie evidence, why, again, is the US so hostile towards Iran yet accepting of Pakistan?

Also, I know President-Elect Obama will meet with Ahmadinejad, but will he also meet with the Ayatollah?

that...as well as the constant anti american rhetoric that comes from iran

of course, we never helped the situation, backing iraq during the iraq/iran war...not making overtures to the moderates after 9/11 and bush's axis of evil speech

and no...i dont think obama will meet with the ayatollah

Now if the IAEA can get Israel to open its books, and disclose its nuclear capabilities and programs, we might make some progress.

everyone knows that they have nukes...you need to know their capabilities why?

maybe when they threaten to take out one of their arab neighbors...which they have never done

No nation in the world has such a warlike attitude toward it's neighbors as Israel. And because nuclear proliferation is dangerous.

Iran/Persia has not conducted an aggressive war in well over 100 years. I don't believe Israel has gone more than 100 months without militarily attacking its neighbors - ever.

BTW, Iran has not threatened to take out Israel, or wipe it of the map. That is nothing more than neocon B.S. and has been soundly debunked by C&L, Juan Cole, and others.

I say: IAEA makes some nice, inexpensive, well-designed furniture.

HA!

Preemptive hilarity!

does Obama hurl threatening messages toward Iran?

Answer: Because he knows WAR is the way to stimulate the U.S. economy.

And because Iran is a good target.

Obama will fail as a president.

Not because of his innate qualities.

But because he has bought into the U.S. power structure.

Obama is a one-term president, if repubs have a brain.

And then we get what?

Why not, "if the left has a brain"? Or do you expect the left to keep up the rhetoric of the broken-record? "Obama sucks. They're all the same. Obama sucks. They're all the same. Obama sucks...."

That's really helped so far, hasn't it?

on "Obama hurl[ing] threatening messages toward Iran" As I think you mistook him for John McThreatenIran.

"CHICAGO -- Accusing Sen. Barack Obama of "inexperience and reckless judgment," Sen. John McCain blasted his likely Democratic opponent on Monday for being willing to talk with Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad without preconditions during his first year as president. McCain said such talks would only embolden "an implacable foe of the United States."

And that's old. And it's one of the top entries in google. So where is the shit you are fervently hyping?

Pakistan. I remember Obama doing a little saber rattling in regards to Pakistan but not in regards with Iran.

Funding if not training Taliban and Al Qaeda, then using those trainees to invade India. And I'm not saying they're going to do it, I'm saying they've done it.

has consistently disagreed with the last NIE and the IAEA by assuming that Iran is currently seeking nuclear weapons. He said so repeatedly during the debates and I even blogged about it here at C&L. Some might want to consider Keith Olbermann's reaction to Bush denying US intel in that way, back last year.

Obama has also, as a consequence of the claim that Iran is seeking nukes, refused to take military action off the table. Several times.

I firmly believe that Obama was the best of two choices and that he'll make the world safer by being less likely by far to carry through on belligerent rhetoric that ignores the facts as they are known - but let's not stick our heads in the sand about his oft-repeated words and what they in fact mean - he has ignored/denied the IAEA and NIE findings just as much as Bush or McCain, doubtless for his own political reasons.(I refuse to believe he's so dumb as to actually 100% believe his bald claim that Iran is actively seeking nukes in the face of the extant evidence.)

Regards, C

It's impossible to prove that there is no nuclear arms program whatsoever without thorough inspection. In the nuclear age you must start by assuming that anyone is capable of achieving the capability. Anyone. Because the hard part of building a nuke is getting your hands on the fissible material- and you don't need cyclotrons to steal some. The rest is engineering and delivery.

Short of Iran allowing the IAEA total access, I think that it's up to the Iranian government, if it wishes to do so, to significantly impress the fact that they aren't doing this. Talks are a start. And it's nice to think we've got an incoming executive who seems to be willing to both talk and listen.

I have ironclad faith in their stated reason for going to all that trouble . . . just to sell a bit more oil and gas. PFFFFT!!

"the hard part of building a nuke is getting your hands on the fissible material."

True - and the IAEA guarantees none of Iran's known LEU reserves can be re-enriched to weapons grade without its knowledge. The chances of Iran affording or building in utter secrecy another similiar program for HEU, utterly seperate from the currently known program, are slim to none.

And having a bomb is pretty useless if it's a squib. the Norks can tell you how hard it is to get the engineering right.

Then it has to be scaled down from the 1 ton range to about 300-400lbs to get it deliverable by missile. That's so not-easy that there are no known instances of a non-superpower doing it independently of covert major power help.

Regards, C

Hell, you can use something larger than a suitcase, but all you need for delivery is a truck or a ship. Boom! There goes Riyadh. Boom! There goes Kuwait City.

And it really wouldn't matter if the known LEU reserves can be re-enriched. There's a black market out there for the enriched stuff- and how hard would it be to get hands on the stuff that the Pakistanis are sitting on? For that matter, maybe India makes a strategic deal...

All that said, I'm talking plausibility rather than probability here. Devil's advocate stuff. I just don't see Iran wanting to escalate any problems with the US. And for all of the potential problems they might have with their neighbors it's us that is the biggest thorn in their side right now.

It is time to come to terms with Iran and admit the mistakes made by previous administrations.

The US of A overthrew a democraticaly elected goverment because the Brits thought thew were going "socialist" because the Iranians wanted to control and maximize the profits from their oil. How dare they.

We then installed a puppet goverment (the Shah) and proceeded to "run" their oil operations for our benefit. The Shah proceeded to be another Middle Eastern prick dictator torturing and killing his own people to maintain power, and supplying the US with lots of petrodallars to buy weapons.

And by the way, I am sure our early love affair with Saddam did not help things.

No wonder why the Iranian do not like us. The one thing I do hope for with Obama is that he stops this US policy of exporting death and destruction in the name of America. This is one of the reasons that we are not liked in various parts of the world.

Its time that we face what really happened, and MAYBE by comming to to terms with the Iranian we can bring stability to this region.

They hate their government.

But any attack on Iran will turn the Iranians' love of Americans into hate.

You are spot on about the CIA overthrow in the early 50's.
Still, now that we're "all in" in Iraq, why not use the tension to get some quid for our quo.

Why is a nuclear Pakistan not as a bad as an Iranian?

I have so many questions about this issue. There seems to be a lot doublespeak on this issue.

TALK with Iran?! You might as well wave the white flag of surrender, turn over the keys to the White House and run America under Sharia Law (or at least so I've heard).

but that's an awful lot of typin' just to say, "Rational IAEA inspectors agree with rational Obama policy."

:D

LOL

I'm a wordy bugger, I know :-)

Regards, C

:D

I had to run after posting just one comment. It's nice to see a thread that seriously debates foreign affairs. More please.

There is No evidence that Iran is seeking, has ever sought, or has ever desired nuclear weapons.
It is stunningly absurd to think that Iran, even if the US handed them an unlimited number of nukes, would pose a threat to Israel, the US, or any other country.

Iran knows (as do all of the nuclear powers and all of the countries in the region), and Israel knows that Iran knows that Israel has a fleet of stealth nuclear armed subs. For this reason Israel fears no nation, nuclear or non-nuclear. They have overwhelming second strike capability. They want all of the countries in the region to be weak and destabilized (defenseless) so as to suit their own ambitions.
Israel (the government) only says that Israel fears for its existence or that they are concerned about an Iranian threat (etc., etc) for imperialist ("greater Israel") purposes.

The US (government) is not worried in the slightest about this mythical Iranian threat (current or potential). All of the rhetoric is for civilian consumption at home, in Israel and the rest of the "West" so that the atrocities planned are acceptable to the public.

The media machine, Dick Cheney, et. al. cast doubt that Iran might need nuclear energy. Recent saber rattling exposes their lie. When talking up sanctions this year, the Bush administration stated outright that a blockade of the Straits of Hormuz would be effective in crippling Iran because Iran needs to import a substantial portion of its gasoline and other petroleum products because it cannot produce enough gasoline for its own energy needs. If Iran had nuclear energy, they would not be susceptible to this extortion.
Some of the folks commenting on this post, like "widespread", have fallen for the lies of the absurd.

The laptop "Intel" provided by the US to the Security Council is just as reliable as the other forged evidence (Niger uranium, al Qaeda ties etc) used to cook up a brutal genocidal attack against the people of Iraq. It has leaked from the IAEA (that has only recently had access to this non-evidence) that the laptop evidence is likely forged.

How can anyone believe anything coming from the proven compulsive liars of the Bush administration. But Bush, as evil as he is, cannot be blames for over a century of predatory US foreign policy.

It's time to wake up and realize that the US didn't attack other countries over 100 times in the past century (not including WWII) to spread democracy, preserve freedom, or defend our country. The military, well described by 3 time "Medal of Honor" recipient Marine Gen. Smedley Butler in his 1930's book "War is a racket", is the "muscle man" for the corporate mob. All of this talk about the US military, spending more than the rest of the world's militaries combined, being necessary for our national defense or being the reason we have freedom of speech etc. is just cloaking propaganda and nothing more so we won't revolt at unnecessarily shelling out so much of our blood, sweat, and tears for no benefit to ourselves or our country.

Enough!!!
JK

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November 11th, 2008

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