Another disappointed Obama hater
By David Neiwert Sunday Nov 09, 2008 6:30am
[Photo by Ryan Wood, Midland Daily News]
Hard to believe, I know, but not all were joyous on Election Night. In Texas, Baylor students were bringing out the nooses. And in Midland, Michigan,: there was this guy:
A Midland man told police that his walking on the sidewalk in full Knights of Ku Klux Klan regalia while toting a handgun had nothing to do with Barack Obama winning the presidency.
Later, however, he admitted that Obama's victory was the catalyst for his display.
Midland police questioned Randy G. Gray II, 30, who was walking on the sidewalk along Eastman near North Saginaw Wednesday afternoon while waving an American flag, but released him because he wasn't breaking any laws.
Gray was walking up and down the sidewalk in front of a vehicle dealership while several motorists shouted obscenities at him and others shouted ''accolades,'' police said.
Randy Gray's name may ring some bells ...
Yep, that Randy Gray. He was tossed from the Ron Paul campaign when they discovered he was a Klansman. My guess is he didn't vote for McCain either.
Here he is in action at a Ron Paul rally "white power" event.
There are some things about the next four years I am definitely not looking forward to.
[Cross-posted at Orcinus.]
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in the next breath they talk about god and bible.
All I can say to Randy Gray Jr II is:
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA !!! Get Used To It....!!
The Obama DOJ will be very busy with real domestic terrorism over the next four years.
Exactly!
I trust the Secret Service is keeping a close eye on this gentleman.
Will we never be rid of these idiots? He's only 30 years old. Still plenty of time for him to breed the next generation and continue the indoctrination. It makes me so sad, I can hardly breathe.
During the campaign I was doing quite a bit of research and along the way I discovered an article written by the lovely Pat Buchanan. Then I went on to read all the right wing wacko comments etc. Finally I decided to click on the box to receive a daily dose of "Human Events" the conservative newsletter.
Today I received an invitation to get Ted Nugent's latest book for FREE!! Here's a tiny excerpt of the pitch for it:
"Now comes the Motor-City Madman's wildest, most politically incorrect book yet. In Ted, White, and Blue: The Nugent Manifesto, "The Nuge" lays out his plan for defending red-blooded, full-throated Americanism against pantywaist politicians, nanny-state judges, and tofu-eating Obamamaniacs -- calling on readers to "Roll up your damn sleeves, sharpen your crowbars, and think hardcore."
Sharpen your crowbars?! WTF?
Ted Nugent is an imbecile, and his music sucks. All noise, no harmony or melody.
Stranglehold, myself. I just wish someone was applying it to The Nuge. ;-)
I like Ted Nugent's music. I used to lift weights listening to Intensities in Ten Cities.
Leave it to a republican to write songs with titles like Predator, and Jail-Bait.
The Nuge's book is so bad he has to give it away. That's funny.
He's been spouting this crap for years. This garbage is just another opportunity to get his name in the press... something his music hasn't done for ages now.
I seriously doubt that you'll ever see Mr. Big Talk show up at anybody's door with a crowbar himself but you've got to figure that there are some troglodytes amongst his "fans" who are even more stupid than he is.
The amount of sway these nuts have will all depend upon how much attention the media gives to them. We all know they're out there, and I trust the authorities know too. Free speech is one thing, but for those planning violence, hopefully a few high profile prosecutions by a new DOJ will help.
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Not sure what you meant by the "You in SF?" My point is that the Klan can talk and march all they want, but the moment they conspire to engage in violence against anyone, then the full weight of the law can come down on them like a ton of bricks.
The last thing the new Administration needs is to get into a First Amendment fight with a lunatic fringe. That's precisely what they want and hope for.
....in smaller cities and towns across America, the "authorities," a.k.a. the po-lice, have similar ideologies. I have many friends, even in a northeast suburban area, who have been stopped for no reason other then they were "driving while black."
In the south, I dare say, you can pull one of those ridiculous white-hooded garments off a middle-aged fat guy and find a black shirt with a badge.
Obama just needs to appoint Henry Rollins and his idea for disrupting the Klan.
elections have consequenses right? so i say charge the rat bastard with domestic terrorism. he wore that getup after the obama win and most assuredly terrorised the minority (not just black) residents of that area. i don't think there is any real way to prevent something like this happening again other than charging someone harshly and making an example out of them. in this case, it's not that much of a stretch.
were too busy drinking their sorrows away to bother, at least for now.
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Buddy the only one causing divisiveness around here is you...
I really hope the sitemonitor comes down on you like a ton of bricks...
You worked for 1-party Democratic rule by supporting Ron Paul, a Republican candidate for president?
I supported Barack Obama for president. I supported Ron Paul for the nomination in the Republican party.
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Because you felt like Paul, a crazy old man who was clearly incompetent to be president, would be the easiest to defeat? Well done!
You seem awfully unhappy for someone who wanted 1 party Democratic rule. What would you be like if they would have lost?
...that Bush is not the only one who is inappropriate!
I'm sure Ron Paul, who seems like a gentlemen, was delighted to heva your support........not
Ron Paul had his day and guess what?, no body wants to reduce the size of the Federal Government down to that of a city council. We want programs like Social Security and Medicare. We like having the Federal Government have an even handed influence on education. Just because a State or Local community wants to teach religion instead of science or take away some human rights from a minority group the Federal Government has a role to play. Just because some of his foreign policy is agreeable doesn't mean that we are willing to sacrifice the entire commons to privatization in the bargain. I am old enough to understand what the term "States Rights" means when screamed by a racist. So move along now, you had a point while we were talking about Iraq but that was as far as it goes. Bye Bye now.
Good luck.
Didn't read, or can't understand?
One party rule? You must really hate America
Tsk tsk. Another deluded Paulite looking love in all the wrong places.
No, it was actually a white power rally. It just got hard to tell them apart so I got all confused, ya know.
Got it.
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So you supported Obama and wanted 1-party Democratic rule, but you want David to keep up activities that will cripple the Obama administration?
Did you submit your comment on the wrong post or something? You're implying that Ron Paul supporters are white supremacists, that you apparently support monarchy and you're agreeing that Hannity and Rush are nitwits (have to say, I agree with the last point, but I don't think you meant to say that).
I feel like I'm watching a dog chase its own tail. Sure, you're amusing, but I'm wondering why you're doing it.
... are you rambling about?
Make sense or STFU.
(On edit: Addressing "Inappropriate" here. I hate this new format. Hard to tell who's addressing whom.)
No matter what, clowns like Gray will always be there. The one thing that will really put them in their place though is when Obama shows them up. There is a lot riding on President Obama. More so than for any other President save for maybe George Washington. The British would have loved to see the first President George Washington and the newly formed United States fail.
Since Obama is the first President from an ethnic minority group, people like Gray would equally love to see Obama fail though for entirely different reasons. Obama is charting new territory for other Presidents to follow. Some people see Obama as an extension of Dr. King's dream while people like Gray see Obama as their nightmare. I say Obama should make Gray's nightmare permanent and he can do that by doing the best job that we all know he is capable of doing.
This is not the only racist act to happen recently in MI. A local business in Traverse City, a pretty liberal area, hung an American Flag upside done after the election. When asked by a local newspaper about it he told them it was an international sign of distress. He continued by saying something to the effect of the country being in distress because that n***** was elected President. He actually used that word when he knew he was talking to a newspaper. Needless to say he was fired shortly after, but that business is becoming very unpopular in the area.
I guess if you're a buff white supremacist you become a Nazi (a la Ed Norton in American History X) and if you're a fat one you go Klan.
[Cross-posted at Orcinus]
I'm a native Michigander, and proud of it. I'm ashamed and embarrassed that these idiots are from my home state; Obama handily carried Michigan, so they obviously do not speak for the rest of the state.
white christmas, I suppose?
Enough for two or three fellas...
At least this brings these people out of the shadows, so they can be popped like the zits that they are. He has a right to be a racist bigot, but I'd say this puts an end to his political aspirations. Would that every Klansman walked around in his or her white robes, they'd be easier to identify than when they stalk the halls of power in a Brooks Brothers suit.
This morning on the CBC there was an interview with Joan Biaz who spoke of being in an ice cream shop just after the election when a young African-Canadian man came in humming. When asked what he'd like to have he responded with a smile "Give me an Obama", meaning chocolate.
After that she said she asked for the same thing.
She said that she really feels that there is a great potential for positive change in the air. It's all up to what we do with the opportunity of course.
There will no doubt be some difficult transitions for some.
For others the view looks pretty bright right now :)
Let's not paint Ron Paul with the Klan brush b/c of one nut job here guys. Sounds like a dirty trick Hannity or Limbaugh would do. I'd expect more from C&L.
People would probably cut Paul more slack if he hadn't allowed his name to be used on a racist newsletter for over a decade...
And here's what Kucinich had to say about Ron Paul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18
Maybe they can run for office aboard a UFO or something, then.
Ron Paul's problem with white supremacists goes way back. When I was covering the militia movement in the 1990s, Paul was one of their major heroes.
His "libertarianism" is actually a facade for deep-seated John Bircherite conspiracism.
What he was saying in that clip wasn't too far off of what you can hear daily from right-wing hate radio. Is he really that different from Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage Weiner, Ingraham??? The only difference is that this nut is more open about his racial hatred. That's it.
I can not beleive what I `m hearing from my so-called republican friends. Everyone of them has turned into a racist over this election. Personally I`m tickled pink over Obama winning. These republicans dont have a leg to stand on when they start critizing Obama after what we all have had to put up with over the last 8 years.
What a bunch of hypocrites!
I'm not so tickled pink over Obama being elected but over mcgramps/slut being defeated.
No president has ever been able to deliver everything they promise. This isn't sour grapes but practicality.
Your republican friends always were racists, the only difference is now they are outwardly showing it.
I cannot believe how many of our "friends" are urban rednecks. And I live in a very blue state - Michigan. Yep, the same place this Gray moron comes from.
Although our state went Obama by 16%, many of these small town folks voted repuke again. I cannot tell you how many of these people have lost their jobs, homes, health insurance, or are struggling with three different jobs to make ends meet! Yet they went out and voted republican again. There ain't no fixin' stupid.
He's flying an American flag. Does that mean that the American flag has replaced the Confederate flag as a symbol of hatred and racism?
Jeebus, does he only have one tie? Or is his busy hate schedule have him at a Paul function in the evening and a speaking engagement before noon?
F-Off Asswipe. DUH
Dipshits united for hate.
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That is a year younger than I am. Old-ass racists I can kinda see. Archie Bunker style bigots are to be pitied more than despised.
But someone born in 1978? Fuck that!
It is sad that someone so young is filled with that kind of hatred. What a sad, pathetic, limp-dicked, lizard-brained loser.
Shouldn't that be slug power? That's what he looks like.
Geez, he looks older than I do, and my hair is hoary enough to look like a Flock of Seagulls took a dump on it (what remains of it.)
It does seem these "men" are always pasty and doughy. You don't suppose he was the tormented fat kid in high school do you? Guess he wasn't smart enough for the alternate dumfatguy career path of police officer.
I kid, I kid...
Hey, he's still young enough
Why isn't he suited up and in Iraq?
Ugh ! Whatever. I've come across a few "haters" too, mostly on anonymous message boards on the 'net. The best thing to do is ignore them. Poor, kooky, uneducated scared-y cats. I actually just feel really, really sorry for them.
WTF?
Are you implying Ron Paul is a white supremacist?
...that Democrats will repress their religious freedoms with laws allowing abortions, gay marriage, and stem-cell research, point them to this article. Here was a man walking around city streets wearing a klansman robe, carrying a flag and a gun in his hand, and police didn't arrest him because he wasn't breaking any laws.
If he was a black man wearing a black beret and carrying a handgun, you can pretty much bet that the cops would have just shot him, no questions asked.
Or even wearing a "Worst President Ever" T-shirt, referring to Wanton Boy.
Double standards and hypocrisy abound in this so-called Land of the Free.
First Amendment zones, anybody?
wow. single celled.
"Was was up there taking photo pictures".
Ha, and did you put them in the electronic machine to mail the e way?
For my whole life I've never seen why people think
the colour or race of a person dictates who they are as a person. It's so unimportant.
Because they are not very bright.
It must have been "swell" being John McCain on Election Day, when he was hoping that every voter like Randy Gray II would make sure to get to the polls and vote. How wonderful it must have felt to know your electoral success depended on hate voters (those same voters you'd been targeting with your campaign rhetoric for months). What a mandate that would have given John McCain had he won the election. Fortunately, in this election at least, fewer haters voted than the Republican Party needed.
I do not believe for one moment that Ron Paul is a racist however, his anachronistic view of states rights is what drew many racists to his campaign. Since the civil rights era, states rights has been the rallying cry of small minded bigots and the far right as they seek to use their local majorities to deny civil rights and liberties to minorities and women in their own communities. States rights is nothing more than a strategy for ethnic cleansing.
It's much, much more than just states' rights that attracted white supremacists to Paul's campaign.
It's his theories about the monetary system, taxation, and what he actually wrote about race for years, especially back in the 1990s.
It doesn't hurt that he spent most of the 1990s speaking to white-supremacist groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens and various militia organizations.
What could be more racist than the invasion of Iraq, something that was supported by a large number of democrats.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.n...
You will never rid our country of such hateful, sick and ignorant scum, so we'll just have to drown them out. They are the morons who chant "we are all going to hell" on the street corners, except they profess that anyone NOT like them are going...not themselves.
There is so much hatred in this country, we are one sick nation. But fortunately there are enough of us that see a man, and not a "black man" as our president. We judge a person not by the color of their skin but by the principles of their character. Enough of us are not "afraid" of having a new turn in our government, but we are hopeful and excited.
Our country is old and sick. It may never recover, but we have to cancel out these sick and hateful voices so that we, as a nation, can prosper and move forward once again.
Just days after a touching outreach to conservatives, this sites goes and blows it by branding Ron Paul a racist again. You're the same crowd that distorted his vote not to award rosa parks the same medal he voted not to give ronald reagan due to the fact he wanted each congress member to chip in and pay for it. of course sites like this didn't mention the latter.
Also note, that this guy was fired when they found out about his past. Oh, but somehow that makes Ron Paul a racist and his rallys a cross-burning white power event? That's the same kind of crap the media tried to pull on Obama and reverand wright, and I'll be nobody on here ever branded Obama a racist over that, and rightfully so. If Ron Paul's a racist, then so is President-Elect Obama, but frankly, most rational non-partisan people would say neither is racist.
Also, when did C&L resort to Fox News tactics? You somehow tried to make out that the events in the video occured at a Ron Paul rally, when it wasn't. During the primaries I attended several rallies, and never encountered anything like this at all.
I agree, it is dissapointing to see this sort of Fox style tactic being used on C&L. Ron Paul supporters fought the good fight against the likes of Guliani and McCain and now have a chance of at turning the GOP ino an honest opposition party. Thats how democracy is supposed to work isn't it?
Read this and get back to me on why progressives should be grateful to people who supported Ron Paul.
Kucinich seems to have a lot of time for Ron Paul, you can't get more progressive than Dennis. As a Canadian I don't really care much about your legal system. Ron Paul understands that your empire is going to destroy your Republic. Considering the type of advisers that Obama has on board , [Brzenski leaps to mind] I don't see much change in America's disastrous foreign policy.
As an American I don't have the luxury of not caring about our legal system.
With respect to foreign policy, the type of complete disengagement that Paul advocates is simply not realistic, or necessarily even desirable. It's not the 18th century anymore.
Does Obama plan to discard the idiotic missle defense shield?
Ameican foreign policy in the middle east is designed to sell as many weapons as possible to each side while maintaining control of the worlds oil supplies. It is a criminally insane policy.
If I were American I would be more concerned about the racism that is a direct result of my governments polices, such as the crazed attacks by Israeli settlers against Palestinians. No sign that will change under Obama.
No, its better to get in into a hissy fit about some clown in a pointy hat.
I personally don't give a rat's ass about the clown in the pointy hat. He's a loser who just wanted to get his fat face on TV.
Ron Paul is another story. I oppose Ron Paul with every fiber of my being because he has a twisted vision of federalism that died - or should have died - at the Appomattox courthouse.
One encouraging sign of the strength of the U.S. is that Ron Paul is a marginal figure, like David Duke or Lyndon LaRouche.
The current version of Federalism is illegitimate and hopelessly corrupt and ought to be dismantled!
Really what the US needs now is someone like Gorbachev. Obama is a product of the Democratic party establishment who will change very little.
Why is it that if something doesnt work,because of some major fucktards, some people want to change everything ? Its too easy... Ancient Rome did something similar, and they were blasted into oblivion.
Rebuilding something not only gives you a satisfaction,but makes you realise what could be improoved and what not. Also, the Japanese for example; their philosophy is if something is working good,they seek to improve it even further.On the other hand,i see Americans like this; if something works well, leave it as it is.
Democracy as religion needs to be more flexible thru time.Sure,you have ammendments who give you the right to posses "arms". But that was ancient history! I dont think your forefathers envisioned America as a gun-crazed nation ...
But that's only me.What is past is prologue...
The current version of Federalism is illegitimate and hopelessly corrupt and ought to be dismantled!
I'm not sure how the current version of federalism is illegitimate. The North won the Civil War.
And I highly doubt that corruption would end if the U.S. was magically transformed into the Paulian ideal of a loose confederation of states with a weak central government.
Really? Now we need a "Gorbachev" are you f*cking kidding me?
I guess i'll be the devil's advocate in this instance:
Well,actualy wishing for a Gorbachev doesnt mean anything Communist ;) It was he that actualy "deflated" the Soviet influence in other countires,made some major reforms such as "Perestroika" etc...
Look at capitalism... its shiny on the surface(as Communism,was on the surfice the immage of UNITY/EQUALITY but wasnt true),but actualy the concept of capitalism by itself is flawed - profit over wellbeeing (social services etc. considered a burden).Efficiency over wealth.And why is it that WEALTH is considered only when something is owned by an entity.Get my drift?
Cheers.I think that different prespectives are helpful.Let him speak.Read about it and then choose.
T.
The Soviet empire collapsed relatively peacfully thanks to Gorbachev. As rigid and conformist as the Soviet system was it did manage to self destruct without much collateral damage.
Exactly... same thing could happen to Capitalism.But as you can see, Capitalists have bigger interests than communists - money ;) this is a particular incentive that wont let those people change anything...
Well,i certainly hope the best for the U.S. citizens.
Now that Obama is ellected (wich was a no-brainer for me,since i knew this guy would win) there's a "feeling" arround Europe when it was back in the 90's when Clinton was in "charge".You know, everybody cheering when the U.S. president came to visit? He came to our country (Clinton) - i'm from Slovenia, just near Italy, 2 million populace - anyway, he was cheered like noone else ;)
Even though the American administration (republicans back then,i think) didn't support our indipendance.Thank god that Germany,France and other Europe countries stood with us in 1991... (before that,the Serbians decided to "hit" us,with the "i didnt see anything" attitude from Croatia...but failed miserably)
Long story short: i agree ;))
p.s.:sorry about my history lesson...
t.
Gosh darn... poor Ron Paul, getting interwoven with white supremacist backers, yet again.
Once, twice... sure I can understand it. But this is the n-th time we have seen this bullshit. So now it is a pattern, not an exception.
Isn't that a threat to homeland security? I thought the gov'ment didn't need a specific law when it came to protecting us from potential terrorists? Isn't this a rather blatant and overt threat to America?
I would certainly think so. Freedom of speech is one thing...but hate speech is something that ponders on other's people freedom(s).(i think i said that somewhere allready...)
Long story short: i agree
Nugent's another flag waving, gun toting chickenshit draft dodger from the right.
More of a pantshit draft dodger...
... ever both to talk to a black person? Or any person of color?
They're not some monolithic entity, you know ...
What is he so afraid of?
As for Ron Paul -- forget about him. He's irrelevant, as well he should be.
Like most good republicans I have talked to seem to believe simalar to this guy.
I would just call him a gooooooooooooooood republican!
I couldn't get half-way through the video clip. Chilling stuff. If the Secret Service, FBI, NSA and the CIA thought they had their hands full before, they'll probably have to triple their efforts to keep tabs on the white supremacists. Their are a lot of angry white folks out there who aren't too happy about a black family moving into the White House. It think maybe we'll see a rise in sedition charges being brought against some of these wackos.
Be safe and God's speed President Obama.
Heads explode
White Power
OK so he wasn't breaking any laws... but don't the police officers still have both an obligation and a duty to insure that mentally disturbed individuals such as this are taken to a mental health facility where they'll not be a danger to the community?
Well, they must have the approval of their family to putt them into a clinic... or at least make them read again the Bible ,so they would see what their god does to people who talk and act like this.
And the most disgusting thing is,that such people make others do those gross and despicable acts (like linching).They dont even have the gutts or balls to do it themselves... (im not saying they should do this!).Anyway, get my point?
I mean,this is just stupid... sad and stupid.Whichever is first... embracing the supreme ignorance.Immagine if only 1 of them realised the truth ,that everything they say is pure BULLSHIT - such person would've shot himself.That's why these people dont want to hear reason.
Its like Euripides said in ancient Greece: "Talk sense to a fool...and he calls you foolish" ... waste of time debating about these people.But its certainly not a waste of time to POINT OUT these people and their associates.
But, immagine if the NATIVE AMERICANS would have had these meetings and such point of views when the "pale-face" Europeans were disembarking on their land (wich would make sense).
Cheers
T.
p.s.: freedom of speech is one thing.But speech that entices HATE ,that's not a right because it ponders on other people's freedom.
LEAVE THE BIGOTS BEHIND
Randy Gray--the Klan member featured in this post--was also elected as a Republican precinct delegate in August:
http://www.mediamouse.org/features/092608ku_kl.php
Well,this pattern is just too common... I see it as 2 things: 1) the more obvious thing; a vast population of America is living in the racist "era". 2) Repubblican views and conservatism demands such behaviour or at least it excuses it - straight misrepresentation of the religion vs lifestyle wich is common to IDEOLOGY.Ideological people find facts irrelevant.If your life was (mostly) a lie, would you embrace the possibility that you are living in that lie? Its easier to not think about it... emm,i lost my point but i hope you get what i mean.
Cheers
Also, your laws have "hidden clauses" so that you can't incarcerate these nuts.Your system is flawed in this regard... i mean,freedom to ellect TIRANTS and RACISTS??? THIS AINT FREEDOM DAMMIT!