Beck, O'Reilly see no difference between soldier's murder and Tiller assassination
By David Neiwert Wednesday Jun 03, 2009 11:35am
On Monday night, Glenn Beck completely ignored the murder of Dr. George Tiller on his hourlong program, despite it being the nation's top story. Apparently he -- like his heroine, Sarah Palin -- doesn't see abortion-clinic violence as terrorism. And goodness no, Bill O'Reilly had no hand in this!
No big deal, people. Move along, move along.
But then last night, Beck went on Bill O'Reilly's program to back up O'Reilly's claim that the tragic murder of a military recruiter in Arkansas by a Muslim man angry about the American invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan could just as easily be blamed on the liberal media, NBC in particular.
Beck read on air the letter he wrote to NBC's Jeffrey Immelt:
Instead of focusing on attacking Bill O'Reilly, your journalists should focus on getting their facts right. If I applied the reasoning of your networks to their natural end, we'd all live in a world where someone couldn't express their opinion against infidelity -- because by your standard, you'd blame that person for every husband who killed his cheating wife. The government couldn't alert a family whenever a pedophile moved into their neighborhood, because by your network's standard, they'd be responsible for someone attacking that offender. Your network couldn't say that global warming was a danger to the earth, because by your network standard, you'd be responsible every time ELF burned down a housing development or a car dealership.
This is, of course, pure obfuscation. Outside of the pedophile example, Beck is describing discussions of policy and issues as causing various acts of violence. But that causal connection is tenuous at best.
On the other hand, there is a very clear causal connection between the overt demonization of people and violence that occurs against them. Bill O'Reilly held an individual up for extreme demonization, describing him not merely as someone he opposed but as a "baby killer" and "mass murderer". This kind of demonization in particular is guaranteed to produce violence, because of course the chief means of stopping a wanton killer is the use of deadly force, and O'Reilly in fact openly suggested that such force might be applied to Dr. Tiller.
O'Reilly somewhat amusingly argues that NBC was "extremely hateful to the Bush administration" -- by reporting factually on its handling of the war. (This is pretty hilarious, considering the extent to which NBC and its entities fully played along with the Bush regime's war propaganda.) And that, of course, is how he can suggest that one could argue that NBC caused the death of Private Long:
O'Reilly: Is there any difference that you can see, Beck, between that situation and the Tiller situation?
Beck: No. None.
Well, fellas, let me help. Here are a few differences:
-- No one held Private Long, or anyone in the military, up for public vilification as "mass murderers" or "baby killers" or vile and evil people who kill for money -- particularly not anyone at NBC or any media outlet.
-- No one celebrated the death of Private Long, or tried to argue that his death was justified. No one openly celebrated his murder. Particularly not anyone at NBC.
-- No one, particularly not NBC, has made the vilification of soldiers a significant
Beck and O'Reilly want to pretend that acts of domestic terrorism like this occur in a vacuum. So Beck says: "The only ones responsible for the death of the recruiters and the death of Tiller are the killers."
Well, by that standard, Tim McVeigh wasn't inspired by militia-movement anti-government rhetoric. Eric Rudolph was not inspired by extreme anti-abortion rhetoric. Buford Furrow wasn't inspired by Aryan Nations hate rhetoric. The Order was not inspired by the same.
And for that matter, the 9/11 attackers weren't inspired by Osama bin Laden's anti-American rhetoric.
Right. Wanna bet they never make that argument?
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That's what these two ass holes are good at...covering each other's ass, or conscience as you might say.
The sounds of two assholes farting in sync.
With big lumps.
"I'm rubber, you're glue" school of journalism.
The difference here between abortion and invading foreign countries is that one is legal, and the other is not.
Legal abortion versus illegal foreign invasion. Another small detail overlooked by the rabid right.
Pvt. Long's murder was a setback in so many ways.
1. He was another innocent needlessly gunned down by a violently disturbed individual. In addition to that, he was a member of the military, who every American owes a debt of gratitude to, and this is what he got instead.
2. His death makes those wanting to join up to defend our nation unfortunately think twice.
3. The proximity of this horrible death to Tiller's screwed up the clarity of each situation and the media will blend it all into an unrecognizable sludge.
I have a hard time imagining how any good will come out of either of these stories now.
Sometimes I think Bill O'Reilly is unrecognizable sludge! Interesting that this Newsy report sheds some light on the media's coverage of this story.
http://www.newsy.com/videos/free_speech_or_sp...
Clearly the perpetrators of these crimes have serious mental health issues. I don't really see what difference which particular ideology drives the madness. It certainly doesn't mean squat to the ideologues.
FOX News is an illness.
They're both true Sociopaths - like the rest of the 23%.
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FOX News = the Saturday Afternoon Wrestling show.
that as a "recovering alcoholic," it is not very "sober" of him to be taking other people's inventories.
Beck is an ass.
O'Reilly is a Terrorist....Beck is just an ass and a very ignorant man.
O'Liely is a sort of terrorist isn't he?
He kinda sits back and calls for his holy war from the safety of his bunker.
He and Billo both suggested the murder of individuals and their minions went out and did it for them. The only difference I see is the transmission of the message: Manson did his bidding face-to-face with his minions, O'Reilly has a tv and radio show to broadcast his wishes. Besides that, I see no situational difference.
is a good analogy....
Many of those savage Manson Family Killers became "Born-Again Christians" while in prison too.
That "Christian convert" Charles "Tex" Watson is a prison minister and fathered four children in prison.
Charles Manson is also a "pro-lifer" who is against abortion as he has said before in talking about women.
Yes, O'Reilly has the Manson Family on his side.
The Manson Family also hated Hollywood like O'Reilly and the listeners/viewers of that low-life network.
That pretty much sums up the entire right-wing movement. That is the most ironic thing I have heard in ages.
Very good comparison. Manson didn't kill any one. His speeches did. I never thought of that. Thanks Katie. From now on I shall refer to Bill'o as Charlie.
“Now, whether you want to accept this or not, the deer in the woods - there's a doe and there's a buck. And the buck comes up to doe and scares the doe and the doe turns around and back up to the buck. That's a matriarch and a patriarch. I live in a patriarch. You live in a matriarch. You back up to your women. I don't back up to my women. I don't take no lip from my women. I don't give them none, but I don't take none either. If they disrespect me, I'll disrespect them back. If they hit me, I'll hit them back.” ----Charles Manson at his 1992 Parole Hearing.
..he actually gets to be interviewed for parole?
That's hilarious!
if he chooses to, same with all prisoners.
"He kinda sits back and calls for his holy war from the safety of his bunker."
See also: "Chickenhawk"
They are only saying that because it serves their purpose. They understand that the people that listen to them don't have the ability to do critical thinking. This helps fan the flames of hatred and violence that they foment for.
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So if there's no difference between the two, we should charge Tiller's Killer with terrorism charges. Bill O'Reilly said so himself.
Let's see how that flies with the right wing.
SJ
One can see O'Reilly is scared of another possible civil suit(accessory to murder) when he props up co-psychopathic freak Beck as an actual character witness. Yesterday noted negro Juan Williams was telling everyone how good a massa Billy is, today it's the proven complusive crier/liar Beck. Can two people have less credibility?
has also made threats and called for the harassment of judges whom don't make rulings he thinks are correct, according to his jaded views. O'Reilly has also stalked and ambushed judges too. He needs to be arrested already, and I don't care whether Billo likes my sentiments or not. Billo is a coward who likes to run away from his being such a "Big Man." Billo likes to blame others for attacking his crap while he attacks. Bill O'Reilly is a punk ass.
O'Reilly should be prosecuted for crimes of terrorism as stipulated in the Patriot Act, NOW!
Well, remember bin ladin isn't even on the wanted list. How do we get 0'Liely on the list?
We could start our own. O'Reilly, Beck, Limbo, Randall Terry, to name a few. And all the charges to be made.
You know, BillO always claims that the "far left loons" and "far left hate speech" is far more prevalent than the far right loons and hate speech. He has claimed that the far right hatred has been "marginalized."
As I've watched BillO this week, I do not think he once mentioned Randall Terry and his hateful, callous remarks about going out for beer and chicken wings, after his comments on the death of Dr. Tiller.
I find Terry's comments to be quite significant, given that he is a "leader" in the anti-abortion movement. Why didn't BillO mention those particular comments as a way of denouncing these far right haters?
I will stand in front of congress and tell my story, about all the right wing hate in my life. The hate that was created by FOX. I will tell them about the guy who beat me till i fell and continued to kick me in the face once I was down. I have many other storys even my high school years were ruined because of the kill Liberals message they put out.
I get shunned, robbed, and treated like a second class citizen by Fox news viewers, all because I spoke out that George Bush and the GOP are going to destroy the economy and international relations. I was right, but seen as wrong, even now after the destroyed economy I am still wrong and still a worthless good for nothing scared for my life because of FOX news.
Bullshit.
My father and I got along fine until Faux Noise came along. I've talked about the political and sometimes physical defenses I've had to use with my father on here, which talking about with some of you regular commenters have gotten me though. I've got lots of stories about he demonizes his "librul" daughter with Fox talking points if you're interested...
Were the police called? Did you press charges?
You are courageous not to have changed your views because of this violence. What part of the country do you call home?
I too can no longer talk coherently with my father about most issues due to his parroting of Bill O, Beck and other Faux News Orwellian drivel. The tendency to respond to any disagreement with sound byte opinion completely void of fact is mind blowing to me and devastating personally as many of the issues we disagree on affect me directly (Gay marriage- I am gay, 911/Iraq connection lies- I lived across the street from the towers, lost my home and most everything I owned and suffer from PTSD.)
The way as a society that we seem to have reduced ourselves to the pathetic level of discourse practiced by O'Riley, Beck and Limbaugh and seem to end up in instant shouting matches is truly disheartening. It scares me to hear stories of how often things seem to devolve to physical aggression but it comes as not surprise to me given the vehement self righteous demonetization that these guys practice.
Wish I had the answer, for me, just talking with someone else who gets it helps.
Thanks for your post and good luck to you.
even so-called college graduates who parrot the sound bytes from FOX News and do not often even realize they are doing so.
That is the tragedy now folks--many people out of sheer ignorance or being lazy take on the talking points from many of these shows which have created the cultural disease in America and have added to the dumbing down of the America.
FOX "News" again is a front group for Terrorist Groups inside America and led by Terrorist Spokesman Bill O'Reilly.
Demand from your cable providers that either you do not force FOX News on the subscription or you will cancel the entire package.
Already canceled. Too bad there is no way other than changing the channel to keep those frequency's out of the house altogether.
I am cancelling FOX anything and Murdock anything on my cable!
I was beaten in Carlisle, Pennsylvania at work. Yes I did press charges, the police officer didn't want to do it at first but I pushed and pushed, finally got him to take pictures of me and press charges. My face was swollen for 2 weeks, the bruising didn't go away for about 2 months. One of my teeth actually cracked is now broken, my eye ball was smashed and cracked.
Harry Pine was my attacker he requested a trial by jury and won. He claimed I was harassing him? I wasn't even talking to him, he over heard me talking to someone else. The Cumberland county prosecutor fixed the jury and I lost. The judge seemed disturbed about the Jury selection and the prosecutors performance during my case.
It's just another under the radar republican criminal act I am sure there are so many more, like a Mexican being beaten to death and the assailants being let off.
Harry Pine was left of with a simple charge, but it felt like he was trying to kill me, break my skull rearrange my face. If I even try to retaliate around here I will immediately go to prison, and wait for the courts to hear my case I can guarantee you that.
At what point am I allowed to protect myself from these people, none, never, don't even try. Harry Pine paid for the Ambulance and the Emergency room visit by the judges orders, I think he was charged with simple assault no jail time.
This was the year Katrina hit.
Very simple, what liberal pundit has been calling for violence against our own military or it's recruiters?
Just another tu quoque.
Even liberals plastered "support the troops" on their cars.
Exactly.
I thing a lot of people were shocked at how returning Vietnam vets were treated if they were old enoough to remember,
And if not, just home many of these vets make up the homeless.
Remember the stickers, "Support Our Troops: Bring Them Home"?
By trying desperately to create a false analogy.
It is a double whammy, if you think about it: They incite their wacko base to murder, and now they are using an unrelated tragedy to distance themselves from their responsibility.
Again, the ones who were shoveling "personal responsibility" down our throats are the breaking all sorts of speed records when it comes for them to distance from their own responsibility.
"If I applied the reasoning of your networks to their natural end"--baby beck
this, coming from a faux"news" thuggy. so, the first challenge is to get past the ridiculous notion of bleck applying reason to anything. anyhoo, if we "applied" faux news' "reasoning" to its "natural end" we (those of us on the left) would be rounded up and shot. so, fuck off glenn.
controls everything they broadcast on Fox doesn't mean the head of GE controls everything broadcast on NBC and MSNBC. At least NBC and MSNBC have some semlance of truth.
Needs to be seen as a front group for Terrorist Organizations in the United States led by Beck, O'Reilly, and Hannity.
O'Reilly has intimidated radio phone callers before by telling his entire listening audience who they are and where they call from using Caller ID. O'Reilly and even Limbaugh have used Caller ID to intimidate callers before and as a way to keep those away whom may question their lies.
O'Reilly also has threatened callers with having law enforcement officials go after them.
In my opinion, O'Reilly has proven that he is a Terrorist over and over again with a very clear pattern of threats, stalking, harassment, and coercive means.
FOX News and O'Reilly can cry and whine all they want, but, we need to not let-up in calling them at FOX News what they are---Terrorists with a Microphone and a Front Group for "Christian" Terrorists in America.
Now Americans can sleep at Night! These Two Bottom Dwellers agree with
each other. This is like "Double Wrong" when two Turd Blossom's straight from the the Planet Uranus witch is where there Heads are Burried most of the time.This is what happens when you put a Microphone in front of these two Idiots and hope they will say
something Intelligent. Still waiting.
getting desparate when he has to bring out Fox's latest rising star to verify his hate.
Okay, how about this. If Bill is so sure he's right and in the clear about this, why not bring someone on who disagrees with him and let's have a civil debate. Just bringing on ass kissers is not persuasive at all. In fact, only bringing on ass kissers makes him look very insecure of his actions.
What happened to "fair and balanced?" All he has had on the air since Sunday has been his own damn cheerleaders.
He's scared. And he should be.
This truly is a case of he protests too much. He's chicken shit to face anyone but ass kissers who work for Fox. How about facing someone who is not a fellow employee and who most likely can't disagree with him on air? He's a big shot, he cuts people's mics off when they make him mad, why can't he handle this with someone outside his golden circle?
And I'm not sure his stance on this particular issue (although I could probably guess): Phil Donahue.
He was the only celebrity guest Billo's ever had on there that has successfully shut him up. Of course, Fox knows better now.
"Fear not those who argue but those who dodge."--
Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach
Bill is too much of a coward to have Phil on again. Especially when Bill starts off on the shaky ground he finds himself on now. You can tell how tenuous he feels his case is just by the guys he is bringing on to defend him. He feels he can't withstand an argument with anyone but a lackey.
have a civil debate?
Not with bullo liely
With Bill O? Only in Bizarro World. "Shut up! Cut off his mic!".
The only way one could draw some sort of comparison here is if Olbermann--for example--had done constant hit pieces on this recruiter,but the analogy is much too broad.If you insist on dragging the war in Iraq into this however,let's examine Billy Boy's own invitation for the Terrorists to bomb San Francisco.Imagine had that happened all the fancy tap dancing O'Smugly would be doing,while still(of course) refusing to accept any culpability.
try to find some sameness of method between Bill O'Reilly and Keith Olbermann, or make comparisons of FOX "News" and MSNBC....
FOX "News" promotes Terrorism and domestic violence against doctors and judges and even teachers, and oh yes, college professors....The list can go on and on about which professions and people the FOX "News" channel have harassed, stalked, threatened, and promotoed violence against, from Hannity to O'Reilly to Beck to to Coulter to Ingrahm to Gingrich, etc.
MSNBC does not promote such violence and terrorism...That is the big difference the next time some idiot tries to say that MSNBC is the "alternative of FOX "News."
I have heard people say that Olbermann is not for real and that he is no better or different than O'Reilly. I say B.S. about those idiots whom claim such nonsense.
not pulling out ass-stats like FAUX News does.
jumping from one issue to another in a desperate search for the next thing to attack "the enemy" -- liberals and democrats...
http://blahgblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/the...
The O'Reilly Factor!
http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm
Let's overwhelm the FCC with complaints. Tell the FCC to stop FOX NEWS from inciting violence against law abiding citizens.
are making that comparison!
They're trying to save their asses.
and it's a stupid comparison - just amplifies their complicity.
Like - 'sure, i can almost see the analogy but what a lousy analogy. It hurts their case rather than helps it. No remorse. Public enemies.
BTW - republicans must stop pretending they are not all radicals without a wiff of common sense.
All their enemies are enemies and they do not discriminate.
Blackamoor muslims shooting soldiers = enemies, terra terra.
Liberals supporting choice = enemies, terra terra.
Judges agreeing with Liberals = enemies, terra terra.
So for them, shooting soldiers because you're mad about IRAQ is the same as criticising Bill O'Reilly for wishing death on Tillman.
It's also why anyone who tells them to clean their room is Hitler.
When one of the best defenders you have for your case is that wild eyed strange Glenn Beck, you are in serious trouble. Maybe Bill could bring his own personal lawyer on to explain why he believes Bills words played no role in this and then we might listen. I would.
How do Beck and 0'Liely differ from jihadists? Let us count the ways. Are they really different at all?
I know they wear american garb, but other than that...
Both attacks were examples of religious terrorism.
I don't see much difference between abortion clinic attackers and al Qaeda operatives.
The difference is that in the case of the murdered recruiter, there wasn't a network that was paying broadcasters to spew hatred toward recruiters, as Fox was doing to Dr. Tiller.
BIG difference.
watched, listened to or read some of the Islamic media then.
But the punidiots are trying to blame liberals, not Islamic radicalism.
Specifically MSNBC liberals.
If they guy who allegely killed the soldier and injured the other was indeed driven by radical Islamic propaganda that's one thing. You expect those we've declared enemies, or who've declared enmity against us to be the norm. What's not the norm is the propaganda to come from WITHIN our own country, from irresponsible talking heads and fanatical religious groups.
We should all send email to the address Billo provided to support MSNBC programming. I already did in the letter below.
Dear Sir,
I see that Bill O'Reilly has launched another campaign to discredit you and the NBC networks as a result of your deserved criticisms of some reports from the Fox News network. I and other informed people applaud you for your actions. I used to wonder why no other networks would called Fox out for the misinformation they have been spreading for more than a decade. MSNBC seems to be the only American news station that really provides real news and facts to back it up. It is no surprise that Fox and their ilk will work hard to discredit you, your network, your company and your reporters in an way they can. That is always their tactic. Reporting the truth is perhaps the most important part of a true democracy, for how can a people choose their leaders wisely without knowing the facts? The fact that MSNBC is the only network that chooses to tell the facts is disturbing to say the least. But at least we have that one small island of some truth. Please don't let radical pressures change that.
Bill O'Reilly has needed to be called out for his hate mongering for a long time, as do Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck and others like them. Thank you for having the courage to perform that patriotic duty.
Sincerely,
good one.
I'm going to write one as well, as soon as I get home late tonight.
I would doubt very seriously if the guy who shot the soldier ever was a fan of Keith's show or any other on msnbc. On the other hand, I would seriously bet that the guy who shot the doctor was more than likely a viewer of Bill's show and probably a tea bag party attendee.
Beck and O'Reilley top themselves one more time in the stupid department.
I am so sick of non-arguments like this.
Uh, liberals did it to. Democrats voted for it too. Uh, I guess if all the liberals jumped off a bridge...
Seriously, is this the best you can do? Because for all I am constantly & consistently liberal, I never once put a any type of jingoistic patriotic crap on my car on or after 9/11/2001 and I never will. And by the way - how many of those items do you see now on anyone's car?
Just last weekend I saw a bumper sticker on a car that said, "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain" Actually it struck me as funny. What the hell would I blame a McCain voter for? Okay, he did put Palin way closer to the white house than she should ever have been. I guess I could blame him for that.
I can just imagine the car it was stuck to. I laugh every time I see a "McCain/Palin" sticker on a 12 year old sub-compact with more bondo in its fenders than metal. Yeah buddy, you're their first priority.
Twain would puke if he could hear this. He hated false patriots, charlatans and religious zealots like Beck and O'Reilley.
I wouldn't see any difference between the assassinations of Beck or O'Reilly, for instance. We could do without either one, and justify the demise of both.
of the killers. Shoulda, woulda, coulda Beck and O'Reilly.
Isn't this paramount to inciting violence toward those who back up democracy? These two ass-clowns should be brought to court TODAY. I am all for freedom of speech, but this has gone far enough. people are being assassinated because these idiots are fueling the already psycho-fringe GOD-n-GUNS sector of this society.
Beck, the Idiot Dunce!
The soldier-killer is being charged with terrorism. Will Roeder be charged with terrorism as well, or are terrorist acts by anti-abortionists merely considered murder?
That Bill O'Reilly, given his long standing place in broadcasting, would not react to the criticism of MSNBC commentators with reflection, and, if called for, an admission of his complicity in an assassination and a profession of his plans to reform.
I am saddened and surprised by this unforseeable turn of events.
comparing apples to watermelons. I wouldn't expect anything less from these two knuckle-dragging, one brain-celled pinheads.
I'm sure Immelt is quaking in his boots, and crying in his Cheerios over what these two punk-assed b*tches think.
The Beck and Bill Mutual Handjob Society.
Seriously, if these two are gonna blow each other, I wish they'd get a room, already.
There's a mental picture...
..Bill O'Reilly tell his audience that women who dress provocatively deserve to be raped or that when children are kidnapped by sexual predators, they enjoy their captivity. That's the real problem; people listen and are not offended like many of us are. They will have to come to some kind of major epiphany before they stop tuning in to the misogynist broadcaster.
is a firm believer in patriarchy, and hence, demeans and devalues women to do his bidding for him.
O'Reilly is a bonafide American Terrorist. Like Charles Manson, Bill O'Reilly belongs locked up in prison!
Another Note---Rush Limbaugh got preferential treatment from the State of Florida's Justice Department and he belongs on trial for crimes, if not, in prison for drug trafficking.
Yes, Limbaugh got affirmative action for white men in the Florida Judicial system. Limbaugh needs to stop crying over "affirmative action" and other "sepcial rights" when he (Limbaugh) did get special white man treatment by the law.
You get right down to it the only people I've heard about celebrating the death of US soldiers was fred Phelps and his Westborough crazies.
Somehow I dont think that they are very liberal or left leaning.
Go fuck yourself.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey Immelt
was an avid fan of MSNBC! Yes Beck, and O'Reilly! We think you're right! F@#$! Are you kidding me!? How many right wing murderers have had right wing books (Hannity, Rush, O'Reilly) and watched and commented on right wing blogs? Many-it has been found. Before we look at the "left wing" comparison-lets not even go there. Has there even been left wing murderers? Can you even call the Muslim man's killing of a military man a left wing murder? I wouldn't.
These people Beck/O'Reilly and the rest of the Fox people-they are not rational, sane. Its really sad because they are leading misguided, mentally imbalanced people to do things that are extreme, like the Tiller murder.
And btw-Beck-sold out?! You!? must have been 25 seat auditoriums!
(Thread I was referring to was deleted, so not addressed to anyone here).
What does that have to do with the subject?
And screaming socialist is just conservative spin, probably derived from FAUX news and reich-wing radio, not independent research.
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