Breaking: Stimulus bill passes Senate, heads to conference committee
The tab coming out of the Senate stands at $838 billion:
President Barack Obama's economic recovery plan has passed the Senate and is on its way to difficult House-Senate negotiations.
Just three Republicans helped pass the plan on a 61-37 vote and they're already signaling they'll play hardball to preserve more than $108 billion in spending cuts made last week in Senate dealmaking. Obama wants to restore cuts in funds for school construction jobs and help for cash-starved states.
Those cuts are among the major differences between the $819 billion House version of Obama's plan and a Senate bill costing $838 billion. Obama has warned of a deepening economic crisis if Congress fails to act. He wants a bill completed by the weekend.



Why again did we bother with the bi-partisan stuff?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
How can one cut money from schools? And firemen??
Come on you fuckers, say it on one of the many "news" programs you appear on. Say that schools and firemen shouldn't get any money.
Without a poorly educated private sector, who will serve these mother fuckers at resturants, clothing stores, golf courses, etc?
.. and do they REALLY want the brakes on their BMW fixed by a kid who doesnt know the difference between a millimetre and centimetre?
I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...
The only difference is the number of legs...right?
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
incest out of this ...
I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...
Wall Street Gods Not Happy
Must Feed More Sacrifices
Gods down 350 points, Angry
Pelosi and Reid.
Then you'd see where the bread was buttered...
James Galbraith with crystal clear insight into the stimulus package and how it relates to the much larger bailout package.
Does the Treasury plan on doing a meticulous audit of the bailed out banks?
Because, if not, we are being flim flammed.
The capitalists in the market know that private money will want due diligence if and before it buys that trash, they don't want any part of Geithner's plan.
Ergo, the market falls hundreds of points. They want free money.
Until Treasury does audits of the biggest banks and uncovers the fraud that is in there, we will have one failed bailout after another.
The stimulus without a banking system will be good money after bad.
Amy Goodman with James Galbraith.
Economist James Galbraith: Bailed-Out Banks Should Be Declared Insolvent
Here
My previous comment here.
Obama seems to like Ronald Reagan. Reagan had a plan to nationalize the banks.
After the bailouts all fail, they will finally nationalize the largest banks. Meanwhile the banksters will have absconded with hundreds of billions.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
cant we all just agree this is only a life jacket for a doomed crew, dont you get it yet, even if americans get a job now the only things left in america to buys food , most every thing else we spend money on comes from china or india, green products made in america will be mostly made with componets made in china , before they steal the rest of the product and ship it here on the cheap, wallmart wins again! we dont make anything here anymore !
they're pirates sinking fast, arguing where to put the plank...
with the Stimulating Debt bill, is that there is no system in place, and will not be, that can ensure no fraud takes place. No levels of government can handle that much cash, that fast. The opportunities for fraud are overwhelming. There are no "shovel ready" jobs. Each state is so far in debt that their budget discussions right now, are on what services to slash and burn quickly. This is gonna be one butt ugly episode. Hang onto your hats.
If the city of New York's budget is short 100 mill, and they get 100 mill from the Stimulating Debt Bill, will they immediately start making plans to dig up streets and fill potholes, or will they use it to balance their budget, and thus, not really amount to stimulating their economy?
I keep telling people this will be the Katrina Recovery and Iraq Rebuilding writ large. The money is allocated in much the same way. They just hand out large chunks of money to states and cities and hope they know what they're doing with all that cash.
yet people are thinking that the Administration said there would be oversight, so let's trust them until they waste a trillion dollars of borrowed money.
And the market spoke.
we don't have the money for this outrageous SPENDING.
what got us here in the first place - SPENDING beyond our means.
misdirected spending...an overemphasis on the free market...crony capitalism...excessive deregulation...
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
I guess to you we should do nothing and wait.
I see. You think that the opposite of spending is doing nothing?
As if continuing to dig a deeper hole of debt and printing more money wrecklesly will solve this?
And doing NOTHING will indeed "dig a deeper hole."
when Obama ends the wars - then I will stop framing this as spending.
until then,
he's an accomplice.
And many of them are happy as hell that Obama is willing to at least try something(anything) to create jobs and giving them unemployment extensions in the meantime.
this is allll about the war. Ok.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Hate to say it, but the Obama team has no clue economically...they're digging the hole deeper.
If Obama does nothing and this becomes a total catastrophe, you'll blame him for being a slacker. People like you(and the Republicans) want to just take a knee, and run the clock out to economic hell while criticizing Obama for attempting a two minute drill. Doing nothing will made this hole deeper.
Hello everyone. I wrote to Obey, and hope that he got my message. The way I understand the process, Representative Obey will be leading the House negotiators in the upcoming negotiations to settle differences between the House and Senate versions of the stimulus bill. Whereas the House bill has its flaws, it's much better than the Senate version. I think the more people, who contact both Obey and Nancy Pelosi and express our support for THEIR side, the more likely we will get these cuts restored. So again, please call both Obey and Pelosi and make our voices heard.
I was in a car with a wing-nut the other day. I finally said something extremely ridiclous and sarcastic. The reply was "I agree with you but,,,," It's not worth the effort to be reasonable with people who think the world was created 6,000 years ago.
What would it take to get all of us out spending again? I don't mean going into big debt, but just spending, say the way you did maybe five years ago.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Money.
Good answer!
I used to not pay any attention to people who suggested that the govt should divid all that tarp money and give it to the citizens, but now that I think about it, we could have probably done more with that money to get the economy going again than the banks have done. People would be paying off loans and homes etc and that money would have found its way back to the banks to be loaned again when needed.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
And there's nothing like that wonderful sound of nickles, nickles, nickles jingling away in your pocket. Gives a whole new meaning to life. Lifts the spirits, puts a smile on your face for the whole human race....Yes, I'm rambling but you know what I mean. Money in that old pocketbook or wallet is a good thing.
I guess the kids in Zimbabwe must be feeling awesome right now. They get to carry around trillions of dollars in their pocket all day.
but it would be pressing the allusion to say I was shittin in tall cotton at that.
I just don't need that much: knock on wood, i'd like to get a new laptop and a 32" lcd monitor this year. I'll never need another pair of shoes, or jeans, or slacks (unless i grow substantially). I have more coats than I can ever wear (most inherited)...i have 40 rayon hawaiian shirts. I have no more room for piddly consumables. I can't buy a new car because i don't have enough income; i break even most months, or maybe a little better or worse...e.g., made a nice sum playing Santa this Xmas...but i gotta replace the S-belt in my car soon, too, and that's $800...
And may I say, I love your way with words........"shittin in tall cotton"......never heard that one but I love it!
Those 40 rayon hawaiian shirts might bring in a little extra dough on eBay. ; )
Lotsa shirts, damn few bidders
it suggests to me there might be a recessionary hole in the ebay bidness model...
Woody, are you from the south? I ask that because the only place I ever heard that tall cotton phrase was from my dad and his family, who came from Georgia.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
and I have an ear for such things...
One i thought would be pretty effective was underwriting states to replace their auto fleets...
for you folks who worry about your neighbors' thieving proclivities, I invite your attention to the bnks, which will have collectively sucked up more money for far less return on investment than would ensue even if somebody diod scam the govt for a couple extra thousand...the scammer'd at least spend the ill-gotten gains, while the bankers just buy more and more banks...
listen folks, i'm too old and ill to survive the complete implosion of the whole shebang.
if this all goes south, there's gonna be civil war, at least...among the Pukes are no few who will, this time, see the whole edifice fall than 'surrender' again...
I thought this new bank bailout was Obama and Geithner's?? If it is, why are news reports wording it like this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29114103/
er, bail-out extorted by the big banks and ins cos in the waning mos of the late regime...
it's obama's now because it's obama now...
Paulson the Plunderer after announcing that TARP would be for taking "illiquid' 'toxic' assets off the bank's books, must have realized that $700 billion was WOEFULLY inadequate. He punted to the FED which took over the program. Since there is no transparency we don't know what they are doing.
The latest plan is an attempt to augment the FED's plan.
What is on the banks books? See Amy Goodman's interview with James Galbraith here. Also see my comment above.
What is on the books is the product of fraud.
Paulson the Plunderer knew it and Geithner the Weasel knows it.
The banksters are their friends and they know them well.
They want to put the fraud in a black box, put it in a big pit, and cover it over with our money. Thus making it go away.
It will not go away because it is too big. It will be $20 trillion before they are done.
There will be no way to cover it up.
There are lots of ways to screw up the attempts at COVERING IT UP.
They are exhausting these ways one by one.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Oddly enough, the Bush people gave the government a green light to start working out Obama's projects a few days after Obama won the election. If you need a job; I would suggest looking at the OPM-USA website. Every government agency has been putting together WPA style work projects since November.
I know... it's hard to beleive; but, the Bushies actually acted responsibly for a change.
as expected because we DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, I've been trying to say this here for months, actually years because Cromagno-Bush didn't understand this when he plunged us into an additional $5 trillion in debt.
We STILL DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, but go ahead stimulate hyperinflation, everyone is hell bent on it, I guess the idea of paying a $100 for one dozen eggs and a $100 for a gallon of milk is exciting to everyone.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
We're headed for Weimar Zimbabwe territory now.
we have allready reached that stage notice the next time you go to buy food, that pack of cookies you bought 3 weeks ago has been cut in half and costs the same as the old pack and even the butchers putting his thumb on that weight scale for a pound of bologny! yippppeeee they are getting ready for the stimiles package allready!
pretty good to the sheep...
In a conference committee, members of both houses, who VOTED FOR THE BILL, craft the legislation into a single bill both houses will pass.
This is looking good. Hopefully, the committee can put those cut necessities back in.
nothing the SenPukes got out will go back in, i'd bet...
According to my books, the Speaker and the Presiding Officer of the Senate formally appoint conferees. They usually rely on the chair and ranking member of the committees the bill was originally considered in. So while they may appoint the conferees, they will not be apart of it.
Exactly. Now's the time to get it right: Seat none of the republicans or blue dogs on the conference committee, put the spending cuts back and strip out the corporate tax giveaways, then send it back to the House and Senate, where it can no longer be filibustered.
Let it pass 50-49 and get out the popcorn for the conservative howl-fest to follow. They had more than a fair chance to get on board this train. They deserve no consideration as it now runs them over.
in any event that moneys going to be deposited into your local and state banks for payouts , boy is thier going to be bankers stealing us blind!
Why does my mind seem to think this is a good thing
But my stomach doesn't?
Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water.
to pray:
"Lord, make me chaste, and continent, but not tonight."
isnt that like the old fella being chased by a grizzly bear and as he runs he says lord if you cant help me please dont help that grizz!
my stomach has always been the smarter of the two...
As for being continent, I can't afford Depends at this price ;)
Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water.
Does the final vote on the revised bill require another cloture vote in the Senate?
I think so...
but it's been 50 years since I last took civics...
there may be some way Reid can bring it to the floor without comment, straight up and down...
but he'd need ALL the Dims for that, and he'll not get 'em if the House restores Senate cuts...
and you've seen how eager they all are to cooperate to save the country, right?
Which basically means this will all be stretched out for another two to four weeks...
Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water.
that even with the mandate, neither obama nor the dems have the stomach to hardball the gop where it hurts. since chimpy left the gop has been making fools of the new admin. this "stimulus" bill's gutting at the gop's hands is just the latest outrage they have planned. so when is enough, enough?
lindsay graham makes me want to puke along with the rest of the gop leadership.
10 million new jobs can be created if 100 million pot holes were filled on our highways and streets. It would guarantee that no person was left without a job. There is an endless supply of pot holes and always new work that has to be done. The program would pay for its self by eliminating the need for welfare and unemployment payments. Putting America to work is as simple as filling a pot hole.
And then you could pay people to make holes. Then pay other people to fill holes. That's all anyone needs to do. Everyone has a job.
Except that's not how economies work. There needs to be productivity. What any good stimulus should do is to help people become more productive. It's not about jobs. It's about productivity. That's what keeps an economy going.
I think this is a set-up by the GOP. Collins and Specter are in increasingly Democratic Districts
and have been cut loose by the GOP. to vote for this Bill that will most likely fail because of
the cuts that these so called moderates tricked Obama into making. The Republicans managed
to get there Tax Cuts into the Bill without Risking any Political Capital by actually supporting the Bill.
Dems. 0 Repubs.. 1
If by "districts" you mean "states," then yes, Pennsylvania and Maine are more Democratic. So are a total of 44 states according to recent polls.
So you are saying that Republicans "won" this political battle because they sabotaged the stimulus bill so that the bill won't work and the economy will fail further. That doesn't sound like anyone wins, and how do you know people will pin this on Democrats?
No one wins and i am not wanting the Republican's to further there Twisted
agenda But this how they think. That's all im sayin.
When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
Benjamin Franklin
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
This has to be the greatest swindle in the history of modern politics. Obama appoints the PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE (a nongovernmental international banking cartel) to serve as Sec of the Treasury thus completing the take over of OUR government.
Now they "need" to rush OUR MONEY to the banks so they can LEND us the money. This observation is but one of many to prove they are digging the hole deeper trying to save this immoral DEBT ECONOMY. We have financed a consolidation of the finance community from which we will all suffer. What will come from this is SUPER INFLATION crushing savings accounts and all those who arent holding a wheelbarrel full of this funny money we call Federal Reserve Notes.
Obama is nothing more than another banking whore placed in office to run against a cantankerous old man who had zero chance of winning which was AS PLANNED by these money changers, who have completely taken over the reigns of government. There is NO WAY to change these bastards other than COMPLETE non cooperation.
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