CNN, Sarah Palin, and the LA Times: Giving the far right a pass
By David Neiwert Wednesday Oct 15, 2008 1:45pmThe L.A. Times' James Rainey took out after CNN's Rick Sanchez this morning for his segment yesterday in which he interviewed me about the Salon piece I co-wrote with Max Blumenthal about Sarah Palin's past dalliances with Alaska's far-right fringe crowd.
But Sanchez and the CNN crew instead ran their report off into the underbrush, reaching a low when the anchor tried to draw a parallel between the Alaska party and the forces behind the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995.
"Not comparing them to actions [sic] but comparing them in terms of ideology, not actions but ideology, are [members of the Alaskan Independence Party] similar to the group that blew up the [Alfred P.] Murrah building?" Sanchez asked, seemingly apologetic for that stinker, even as he unleashed it.
Even Neiwert, whose reporting makes him no Palin fan, seemed a bit taken aback by that line. "Well, of course, that was an individual lone wolf who was associated with the patriots" movement, Neiwert said of the Oklahoma City attack. "But, yes, they basically come from the same, uh, sort of ideological background. That's correct."
I still had trouble seeing what that had to do with Sarah Palin.
Well, it's true that I was a bit taken aback by the question. For one, hardly anyone in the mainstream media seems to remember the Oklahoma City bombing and the Patriot movement's involvement in it. For the most part, the mainstream line has evolved that this was an "isolated incident" involving a lone kook, rather than the signature event of a broad stream of right-wing domestic terrorism that hit the United States in the 1990s. So I was a little surprised to hear someone make the connection.
But it is a connection that involves some thoughtful nuance, so I was careful in answering him. The reality is that the 1990s "Patriot" movement was essentially the latest step in the racist right's ongoing efforts to return to the mainstream of American discourse -- and in mainstreaming themselves in the guise of "citizen militias" and the like, this meant a couple of things: First, that its rhetoric and appeals were largely stripped of its overtly racist and anti-Semitic elements, yet its political agenda was nonetheless as radical as before.
And second, it meant that a lot of mainstream conservatives were going to be brushing shoulders with real far-right radicals and, in many cases, being gulled into joining arms with them. Part of covering and writing about the Patriot movement involved listening and watching carefully to distinguish them, because to some extent, you had to give the mainstream conservatives the benefit of the doubt when it came to their actual intent in getting involved with these groups.
At the same time, they still had some real culpability insofar as they helped swell the ranks of the militias and other Patriot organizing strategies, as well as helped lend them a veneer of fake legitimacy and normalcy. Moreover, in many cases -- particularly with Republican politicians (the late Rep. Helen Chenoweth springs to mind) -- those who gave the militias cover of legitimacy, pandered to them, and actually empowered them should face serious questions from the mainstream electorate for their conduct in public office and their lack of judgment.
And that, for those who need ask, is what Sarah Palin has to do with all this.
For those who haven't read the Salon story, our findings about Sarah Palin's relationship to the Patriot right in Wasilla, and Alaska generally, boiled down to this:
- Palin formed a political alliance with Wasilla's Patriot-movement faction while still a Wasilla city councilman, and they played a significant role in her successful campaign against the three-term incumbent mayor in 1996.
- Palin, in one of her first acts as mayor, attempted to fill the seat vacated by her ascension to the mayorship with one of the leaders of this faction -- a bellicose man described by the city councilman who blocked his appointment as having a "violent" disposition.
- Mayor Palin also fired the city's museum director at the behest of this faction.
- Palin also organized this faction to turn out at a city council meeting to shout down a proposed local gun-control ordinance. Palin also determinedly allowed the testimony of the pro-gun crowd before the bill had even been presented to the council or prepared for public hearings -- a clear violation of city-council policy.
- Palin had a continual association with Alaskan Independence Party chairman Mark Chryson (a Wasilla resident) throughout her tenure as mayor, and joined to support him in a series of anti-gun-control and anti-tax measures, both locally and statewide.
- Palin attended the AIP's state conventions in 1994 and 2006, the latter when she was campaigning for the governorship. The 1994 appearance is more questionable, since it came at time when the AIP was more openly radical (its members had backed militia figure Col. James "Bo" Gritz in the 1992 election), and its platform then contained what Chryson calls "racist language".
- She sent a videotaped address to the AIP at its 2008 convention (see above), ostensibly because "I've always thought competition is so good, and that applies to political parties as well" -- though notably, she sent no such similar videotaped welcome to the state's Democratic Party.
In fact, it should be clear to anyone who understands how politics work, especially in rural places like Alaska, that Palin's videotaped message to the AIP was a clear acknowledgment that they constitute a significant part of her base.
And that's really the problem. By itself, it might be benign. But given the history of associations with this faction we dug up in Wasilla, it takes on a much more troubling cast.
The McCain/Palin campaign, as we noted, wants to dismiss this as a "smear" with taking the trouble to demonstrate that it is one. And it's true that the on-air response to this was somewhat lacking. Writes Rainey:
"CNN is furthering a smear with this report, no different than if your network ran a piece questioning Sen. Obama's religion," said Michael Goldfarb, a McCain-Palin spokesman. "No serious news organization has tried to make this connection, and it is unfortunate that CNN would be the first."
Responding to the reference to Obama's religion toward the end of the segment, Sanchez either ignored or was too dull to understand that the McCain camp was complaining about unfairness. Instead, he turned to the Salon reporter and asked: "Is this in any way a religious organization, the AIP?"
Huh?
I should have made clear at this point that the issue isn't one of Sarah Palin's faith, it's about her conduct in public office, and how it is affected by her ideological associations. Because that is the issue here.
And it's troubling that a mainstream political reporter like Rainey can't see that. This is underscored by his conclusion:
The regrettable episode ended with Neiwert suggesting that the secessionists have talked about "infiltrating" mainstream political parties to spread their influence.
"Infiltrating," repeated the malleable Sanchez. "Interesting choice of words."
Interesting indeed.
Well, what Rainey might find interesting is the video at left. It is footage of Dexter Clark, the AIP's vice-chairman, leading discussion of political tactics at the 2007 North American Secessionist Convention. In it, he discussed Sarah Palin thus:
She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town -- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -- she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won't go into that. She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership.
Now, it's true that Clark later disavowed this as "mistaken" after examining the AIP's actual rolls in 2008. But it's clear that Clark and many others within the AIP viewed Palin as "one of ours." And as we have demonstrated, they did so with good cause.
Clark then goes on to bring up Ron Paul as a good example of how to "infiltrate" other parties:
I think Ron Paul has kind of proven that. He's a dyed-in-the wool libertarian -- I know because he came to Alaska and spoke as a libertarian -- and he's put the Republican label on to get elected. That's all there is to it. And any one of your organizations -- should be using that same tactic. You should infiltrate -- I know that Christian Exodus is in favor of it. The Free State Movement is in favor of it. I don't even care which party it is. Whichever party you think in that area you can get something done, get into that party. Even though that party has its problems, right now that is the only avenue. And if you get some people on city council or a county board you can have some effect.
Not only did Palin conduct her office in just such a fashion -- trying to appoint Patriot-movement followers to vacant city-council seats -- it's clear that Clark, Chryson, and many others within the AIP continue to view Palin as "one of theirs." This is no doubt why they urged their members to support her in 2006. However, their belief that she is "infiltrating" the Republican Party is more likely than not simply part of their long-running delusional belief system.
What's not delusional, however, is the cold reality that Palin has a real history of empowering these extremists, and pandering to their conspiratorial beliefs, from her position of public office. And the question is whether that would continue from a position of real power in the White House.
(You can send your thoughts -- respectfully, please -- to Rainey at james.rainey@latimes.com)








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How can people look at this and not see Palin for who she is. I am dumbfounded.
until Dems take over and all is right.
That's snark.
If you think Palin and Biden are interchangeable then you need to reeducate yourself.
I don't think they're interchangeable at all.
Palin wants to kill wolves from planes.
Biden's in the pocket of MBIA.
If it were up to me, they'd both be gone.
Left Wing This - Right Wing that... both wings need a straight jacket - stat!
as "the two right wings of the Party of property, the Right Wing, and the Far Right Wing..."
I have seen nothing in 36 years to dissuade me of the truth of that maxim...
People are starting to put two and two together. This woman is not only dangerous, but a national security risk. But, this is exactly what the GOP wanted: a homogeonous party that bordered on nationalism.
For that, they have to pay a price for all this super-patriotism (Michael Parenti).
And like someone mentioned in the thread before, America is burning as a result of the monster they created.
I dare the GOP to repudiate Sarah Palin's ties. I want them to do it on camera.
Daily Kos is reporting that CNN scrubbed the interview as a result of the threat of a lawsuit from the McCain campaign.
Is there any truth to this?
I barely found the interview on You Tube.
I can't speak for anyone else.
The entire interview is up on the Poor Man Institute here: http://thepoorman.net/2008/10/15/oh-my/
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As far as I can tell, CNN simply chose not to pull that segment to run on their website. They don't make every segment available. I've seen no evidence the decision was related to the McCain campaign's threats, but will inquire tomorrow.
I look forward to hearing (and seeing) whatever comes up.
Thank you and best of luck. You and Max did a great job on this story and you were impeccably professional in your CNN interview.
This is how small town politics works. You get 1 or 2 very narrow-minded, fearful, and bigoted people who want to control everything, and they somehow manage to get a foothold in some governing body like the school board or the county council. Then before you know it, policies are being made that are discriminatory, racist, unconstitutional, and frankly un-American.
This happens everywhere and has been the MO for the evangelical movement, and other fringe nutcases for the last 30-40 years.
The only way to stop it is to expose them for who they really are and vote them out of office.
It's time for the adults to take back this country.
Get out and vote!
Obama/Biden '08
i just LOVE that look! donchu???
there's another one, she's in a grocery store, has the baby with her...
i'd swear she sewed up THAT outfit her little self! what a gal! (snark)
i sewed a lot of my own clothes, btw... just didn't use that much ribbon'n'trim...
my gripe is that she seems so 2 faced, this drastic change of hers...
you'd think her base would be able to better identify with that look,
rather than the haute-y expensive frocks she's adopted, with help 'course...
Somehow Daily Kos got a transcript of Wooten being questioned by the AST on the wolf hunting incident.
It seems that he was hunting with Palin's FATHER and her FATHER shot the wolf 3 times and hit it with his snowmobile prior to WOOTEN shooting the killing the poor animal.
So the Palins were incessantly complaining about this illegal hunting that her own father was a party to. Are you kidding me? Who are these people?
Anyone interested in the link, it is at Daily Kos and is from around 11:00 a.m. today.
Daily Kos is reporting that CNN scrubbed the interview...
i just randi rhodes play it on her radio show...
she may have a link: therandirhodesshow.com
Sorry, but I cannot stand Rhodes. Soooooooooooooo glad she was fired from AAR. All mouth, no cattle.
Don't mean to insult you, but I have a visceral response, much like the one I have for Bush, whenever her name is even mentioned.
People have the interview, but CNN has scrubbed it and there is no mention of it on CNN today, in fear of retribution from the McCain campaign.
No surprise, Spudboy. The LAT ediotrial board is pack of neo-fascist creeps who condone the blatant racism of Lucianne Godlberg's moldy crotchfruit.
National Security Watch: 60 right-wing terror plots foiled
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/05...
wait - i may not be sure of which interview...
randi played audio of the story being played and the reading of the email received from the mcCRAZY campaign...
Thanks, but no thanks. Not a fan.
It's time to roll out the "sanchez gets tasered voluntarily" video again, and try and make some sense as to why this dolt has a job at CNN, and not one that requires the wearing of a paper hat.
If McCain and the Republican Party were responsible entities, we wouldn't need this kind of national discussion.
One thinks that, had she been properly vetted, she would have been passed.
"Oh, that one has got close ties to a sepratist group and is under investigation as it is," and then on to the next candidate.
Apparently, the Republicans don't believe that this kind of concern matters.
Mitt Romney was a GLOP (Greedy Lying Oligarchic Plutocrats)nominee for POTUS. He belongs to a religion that prophecizes the overthrow of the US Constitution.
Huckabee - a christian minister - what the hell? Secular country; hmmkay?
The Republicans are not interested in governing; they have admitted that they want to end the government. They ARE interested in power.
They don't bother telling anybody that they will leave one branch of the government standing in place: the mechanism that takes our tax dollars and gives it to the wealthy.
Sarah Palin is only the latest in a string of insults and injuries perpetrated on the American People by the Party of Sleaze and Lies.
I would agree wholeheartedly with your assessments here. In fact, I believe that McCain's selection of one some obviously under-qualified to function as President makes clear to every american that John McCain thinks more about revving up his base than he thinks about protecting americans. His selection of Palin is unpatriotic and is now considered to be a jeopardy to this nation's national security. John McCain has slapped americans in the face with this selection.
Let's fact it: Now we can concur that THE only thing intelligent, accomplished, articulate women have in common with Sarah Palin is a chromosome!
Sarah Palin's lies and slurs have become a "national insult". I don't believe that John McCain could have selected a more dispicable, dishonorable, unethical serial liar/serial abuser if he canvassed this country from top to bottom.
Palin's selection illustrates and confirms precisely why John McCain cannot be trusted to "do the right thing" - this man cannot be trusted with the future of this country when he can't keep his people safe at his own rallies, when he can't even run his own campaign as an effective CEO.
To blatantly ignore Palin's ties to extremism in the MSM and then scrub it once discovered is white privilege at work.
If Obama had ties to an extremist group, he'd be out of a nomination as well as put in jail.
Notice the GOP isn't that upset about her connections. They're only angry that this news has become common knowledge among the American populace.
They are also worried that their image of "country first" will be seen as even more fascist than it presents itself due to the Sarah's leanings.
Only because people are beginning to realize that Sarah Palin is tarnished tinsel, they scrubbed it.
This is censorship at its worst levels. It seems that CNN and the GOP have forgotten about the freedom of the press.
Remember the time Michelle Obama said something to the effect of," for the first time, I was proud of my country..."
Now, here's a young woman who might be a bit unused to having her every phrase parsed; and didn't they just jump all over her!?
And yet Palin gets a pass on a treasonable act.
White privilege?
How about White Invincibility!?
I thank Mr. Neiwert for having the bravery to report this story. The people of America need to know what we're up against in this election.
Judging from the two choices, we are definitely at the fork in the middle of the road concerning our future as a country.
Haven't you noticed she has been placed on back burner? She is also, in need of much maturing and work on her public personna, but she doesn't "Wink,' at us. Do you want the VP of USA winking at you?
As mentioned in other posts, the AIP advocates seceeding from USA. Wasn't here a war with 600,000 deaths fought about this? None of the parties Republicans try to associate with Senator Obama have ever advocated this. Liberation Theology, get it liberation/libertarian, always promotes and tries to reform USA, not leave it.
of Murkin Democracy.
That last gratuitous bit of violence to make sure you don't forget your incarceration in the 53rd Squad...
The fallout of what Palin instigated in her own rabid base is biting them on the proverbial derriere as they polls sink to a new low and Virginia goes into the electoral map now for Obama.
People who lived through the 60's don't want to look backward or we risk losing the ground and progress this country has gained in it's forward movement. This is precisely what the Palin mentality is enticing us to do. Return to violence in our streets? Return to race wars? Well, america has spoken and it's speaking up loudly and vehemently rejecting the tactics of this ignorant neophyte who's trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Palin has been a supporter of the closest thing we can come to a antiamerican, domestic terrorist organization in this country, the AIP. It's founder had ties to Iran and spoke violently about this country. We have witnessed these same tactics in the speeches of Sarah Palin. There is no longer any doubt that what we've been witnessing is Volger's ideology and rehetoric and we, as true americans, patently reject what we're hearing. We do know domestic terror inciting when we hear it.
Palin's over. She probably will not have a job to return to on November 5 with the current "recall" taking place right now. Add to that what she and Todd are costing the taxpayers of Alaska with the multi-million dollars in the ensuring lawsuits following her guilty verdict for unethical abuse of power.
There will be more....perhaps criminal charges against both Todd Palin and Sarah for violating the statutes of Alaska in permitting her husband free access to the confidential personnel records of state employees.
We also hear that Todd Palin, with his card-carrying membership which has been verified through 2002, couldn't get security clearance to be anywhere the white house.
It would certainly appear that the AIP's "ground plan" to "infiltrate the highest offices in this country" sounds like a diabolical anti-american terrorist agenda to me. And this is who Sarah Palin is currently associated with??
To quote Christopher Hitchens (from his endorsement of Obama this week) "Palin is a national disgrace."
They all suck.
You want relief? You want a good time?
Vote for none of the above.
Obama is going to get elected.
And he will give a lot of talk.
And Americans will consider his talk. And his actions.
End of message.
Are you promising You won't comment here,again?
It takes bold courage to endorse inaction!
First off,I guess the 'gentleman' adressing the crowd believes in 'bigger is better'. Second,I'd snooze off in a heated room listening to his ramblings. And lastly, Palin IS dangerous,and I can't thank David enough for His courage and exaustive research. I Hope this will be the end of Her and this rediculous party. Pondscum wants to remain hidden and out of the light. Rats and roaches hate the light.
OMG - this is so frightening that if Palin were to be president, we'd all have to leave this country.
She won't be president in anyone's lifetime. The 'scary' time is over. Prepare to do the hard work needed to take and bring Our country back.
sounds like a bad spy novel. The ugly realization of it all is that it resembles real life. :(
Truth is stranger than fiction.
Several points.
One, the Palins emigrated to Alaska from northern Idaho, which with a number of western Montana counties was a hotbed of the Militia movement. If your rugged individualism was too contained in this area you left for Alaska. What are the politics of Sarah's father?
Two, Sarah has been sporting a polar bear pin as part of her ensemble when speaking at some rallies. Coincidentally enough the polar bear is the symbol for the Alaska Independent Party. I wouldn't even bring this up except for the right wing penchant to employ trigger words in their speeches to communicate an underlying message to the evangelical base. Not to mention that the policies and programs of Sarah Palin and AIP are disastrous for the polar bear.
Since Alaska has a population smaller than most midsize cities in the lower 48 and covers territory two and a half times the size of Texas, its political climate might well be a little farther out on the fringe than most americans are used to.
There is no doubt that the Oklahoma City Bombing was a product of right wing extremism. and if Sarah Palin is broaching the subject of terrorism, than by all means should her connections with the right wing militia movements be examined.
I went on 'conservative blogs' (Town hall,amoung others) and called out a few commenters that seemed -at the time - at least thoughtful. Back when anyone brown or swarthy or 'arab looking' was to be suspect. I pointed out that the biggest terrorist of our generation before 9-11 was a blue eyed blond haired white man. From the mid west of America. The rabid ones called Me names i won't repeat here. The ones I thought were smart never comprehended what wa trying to point out,OR pretended not to.
Salient point. Enquiring minds want to know.
I lived in Alaska for about a decade. And while I wasn't politically minded at that time, it was always known that there has long been a healthy secessionist movement up there. For anyone to equate Palin's involvement with the AIP to invented rumors of Obama being a Muslim is truly ludicrous.
You and Max did great work up there, David. Rainey and the like are so ensconced in agenda journalism they have no idea what real journalism is anymore.
The fleecing of America continues as evil Wall Street accountants continue to steal the 401k plan money of hard working Baby-boomers.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investin...
brings to mind the huge (30 by 60 FEET) 'Confederate flag' flown at the junction of I-4 and I-275 in Tampa. 'It's all to honor those who died' They say. ....Really? Honor those who killed other Americans in an armed insurrection?. Well,perhaps I should put out a bigger flag dressed in the colors of the Spanish Empire who claimed the land that flag stands on. OR perhaps rase a flag mourning those Native Americans who were force marched to Oaklahoma. Small minds Big flags.
portray a prototyrant, who will say, "I've got nothing to lose" when the going reaches full-on totalitarian. Yes, mavericks like Hitler, Trotsky, Strauss, and those of the Neo Conservative movement weren't as pretty or as angry as the GOPAC-De-Witched-Tyranness but she'll do for the necessary overreach.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/sarah_cheney.html
http://www.light-to-dark.com/palin_speaks_to_...
Great work, as always, Stephen! Keep it up!
Thank you, Channel 4 News Team.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/palin_and_mccain...
http://www.light-to-dark.com/witches_tongues_...
Though the point of this piece I got near the end, and I agree, (Sarah Palin pals around with far right wackos that can be potentially violent) the opening sentence made practically no sense to me...
"The L.A. Times' James Rainey took out after CNN's Rick Sanchez this morning for his segment yesterday in which he interviewed me about the Salon piece I co-wrote with Max Blumenthal about Sarah Palin's past dalliances with Alaska's far-right fringe crowd."
Does that mean "(the ad) The L.A. Times took out..." etc?. The opening sentence is the most important to a piece and I'm still not sure I get it.
Any help? Am I just dense?
I know I'm replying to myself but I gather "took out after" means "went after" it the opening sentence of this post. Sorry.
Please
... blithely refer to New Hampshire as being in the Northwest? She didn't even realize she'd made a huge geographic gaffe.
And she said it in that horribly irritating Fargo voice of hers.
Ladies and gentlmen, it's Bush/Quayle in a skirt!
Hey, I saw "Fargo" and Frances McDurmond's character's voice wasn't near as irritating and ear piercing as Caribou Barbee's.
Dan Quayle with lipstick, George Bush in pumps, Dick Cheney in a dress.
She's 3 in 1.
Clearly, the McCain campaign is scared of Palin's association to this group becoming widely known. They know it's damning.
I don't see where anyone but the McCain campaign implied she had a religious conviction to the aims of this group. Please, McCain campaign, do go on.
John McCain pals around with Sarah Palin who pals around with Tod Palin who pals around with the America hating AIP.
So McCain must hate America.
It's as easy as connecting the dots.
It is interesting how the writer of this artical believes through lack of comment or reference the American media have forgotten about Tim McVie (sp?) and the Ok. bombing. If the media makes no reference to such things only the directly effected remember the events clearly.
What has been more interesting to me as an outsider is references I have seen in the US media attributing this bombing to the far left.
Those in power change history to keep power.
STU
David, thanks for being so objective and in touch with facts.
Also, thanks for bringing common sense and context into situations people may need to know more about.
Great job.
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Mccain did awsomein tonights debate!!! Unless you like the failed Marxist idea of socialism Obama should scare the crap out of you. He does me. He already wants to start a new war, has no exit stratagy for Iraq, is a baby killer, has asked for more hand outs than any other senator (day by day basis 1 million for everyday he has been in the senate), hangs out with terrorist who as recently as 2001 make diplorable comments about bombing and killing more people, associated with acorn who he gave a huge check to for sighning up voters which has ultimatly led to voter fraud, has not authored a bill, rarely votes on anything, no executive experience, wants to save 95% of Americans tax money but no one has told him that only about 50% pay taxes and that if ya tax small business as in the past unemployment goes up which meen people are liiterally voting themselves out of a job. Lets not even talk about the cabnit he would appoint, or the fact that the courts, congress, and presidency would all belong to one party which meens no checks and balances. Dont even get me started on Biden who cant even figure out who was president during the great depression but he is history buff. Psalin is even more qualified then Oboma her state has a bigger GDP and a bigger population than most European countries!!!! If you really love this country you vote for Mccain if you are a Michael Moore American hatting trator or believe you love America and thats why it should be hurt or destroyed then you are voting for Obama and Ill see ya in the Welfare line next to Bill Gates.....
You know what scares the crap out of me? That someone as woefully ignorant and uneducated as you will actually walk into a voting booth.
C'mon, that's not even the good snark. Nice work on the misspelling though.
Great article.
I find it silly and hypocritical that Alaska has a healthy secessionist movement percolating when it gets more federal money than any of the lower 48; it certainly doesn't need it since Alaska gets gobs of revenue from oil company taxation. You get more money than you put in while you have a surplus and still you complain? A rather cruel and ungrateful bunch, yeah I want someone who sympathizes with them in the White House. They are just as annoying as whiny Wall Streeters.
My town has more people than all of Alaska, so my town is bigger than some European countries. I agree, Biden messed up on the FDR bit, but at least he didn't say on an interview he didn't know what a vice-president did and he has a passport.
You may hate socialist policies, but that's the ONLY reason we aren't stealing chickens from each other's yards and begging for government cheese now: when the Great Depression reared it's ugly head, the Fed did nothing, said "sink or swim" and that's exactly what happened. The backlash went global and the pendulum swung from capitalism to fascism in many a country. I'm all for the happy medium, a mix between socialism and capitalism because human greed make any strong preference for either a finite prospect of benefit for "we, the proletariat." Due to our nature, we'll never be as socialist as some European countries (people in our US balk at income tax, I doubt many would cheer a flat 30% income tax for guaranteed health care and government services like in many countries).
The recent and often reported infant mortality rate in USA, compared to Socialist countries, always has put to shame any of the constant attack on universal health care for us. If the people who oppose it so much, would go out and help teenage parents get pre-natal care, food, medicine, adequete housing, I could almost see their opposition. Of course they don't.
Also the 30% tax rate so often quoted, includes all other taxes at local and province, and other state levels. For USA citizens of poverty, moderate, and middle income levels, all taxes are near 30%. But Joe the plumber, is in Senatro McCain words, "Rich, you're rich, Joe. And now Senator Obama wants to raise your taxes." See Saracuda's Federal Tax return to see how claiming any business allows deducting cars, sofas, a beer, well just about anything as a business expense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI3ZrUI2Pwo
must see
Please help me with this. It seems Todd Pallin doesn't do much in producing income needed to live in Alaska and have 5 children.
We know Saracuda lied when she said he was a 'World Champion ski-sledder,' as the event only attracks 'Alaskaianians,' as Saracuda calls herself, except for a few 'Idahodianians,' when the Europeans are the real champions. He isn't even the driver, but does whatever the second person on a sled does, maybe just provide balast.
From the Federal tax filing, I can only see Todd contributing $43,xxx, to their annual income from an oil company. In Alaska, this is a high paying job, so he probably doesn't work much, taking care of the sled I guess is more important than providing for his family. There is no reporting of income from prize money ($800) from sled competition. There is no reporting of income from his 'fishing business.'
Regardless of this glaring lack of return from these 'businesses,' which used to be required to return income by Federal Tax Code in 3 years, or all business deductions are invalid, Todd and Saracuda used $37,000 in deductions for these businesses.
Am I wrong in my calculations? If not, why isn't the IRS jumping on this? They sure do if my wife and I make 'mistakes,' and the Pallin's seem to be using HR Block Tax service, so these deductions are possible bogus, and require penalties ,and perhaps prosecution.
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