Concern Troll King Karl Rove warns that Obama might be getting overexposed
By David Neiwert Wednesday Feb 25, 2009 1:00pm
Last night on Bill O'Reilly's Fox show, warming up for President Obama's speech, Karl Rove helpfully wants that he might be getting overexposed:
O'Reilly: I don't -- I don't know -- and he's gonna take most of the hour, because all the networks are gonna show him now, he's on every network -- No American Idol tonight, all you people singing and dancing, you're not gonna get it tonight! But I'm just worried he's going to lose everybody because he's just going to be saying the same thing we've heard a million times before.
Rove: Well, he does need to say something new, but it needs to be something people find credible and achievable. But you're right, he's getting -- there is a danger of getting overexposed here. I wrote a column last week in the Wall Street Journal saying that he was winging it, that they were just throwing things out there without knowing exactly how they were going to resolve them, whether it was the stimulus bill where they let Congress write it, or Guantanamo, where they said we're going to close it but we don't know what we're going to do, or nullifying all the authorities on enhanced interrogation techniques and then realizing they needed to have some such authorities. So he's gotta be careful tonight that he does not sound like he's winging it.
He's also got to be worried about overexposure. I mean, in the first month, he has traveled more than any president in history. He has been gone from Washington more days than any president in their first month in office. And he's been around the country, getting on the television, doing events to draw attention to himself -- there is a danger of being overexposed, particularly if it sounds like he is saying the same thing.
One can perhaps understand why the person whose job it was to handle George W. Bush would be sensitive about public exposure to the president. After all, his experience was that the more the public saw his charge, the less they liked him. I don't think President Obama has that problem, though.
Now, it's true that Obama needs to be surrounded by more, similarly effective voices who can do some of the heavy message lifting. It's an unfortunate fact that so far he's having to do nearly all of it himself.
But when Karl Rove offers Democrats helpful advice like this, one can't help but utter a low mordant chortle.
After all, what's killing Republicans in the polls right now is how effective Obama has been when he gets out in public. He stayed out of the public eye for the better of the week the stimulus bill was getting under way, and he paid for it by letting Republicans briefly get the upper hand on the public-relations war.
He's going to need help. But Obama is his own best weapon right now, and he'd be foolish not to use it. Karl's kindly advice notwithstanding
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We should all listen to what Karl has to say.
I dunno. Pretty much looks like Billo's play COncern Troll King's Setup Guy.
"...he's just going to be saying the same thing we've heard a million times before..."
You mean in our dreams for the last long 8 years, billo, right?
"whether it was the stimulus bill where they let Congress write it"
Last time I checked. The President did not have the authority to write or introduce legislation. Last time I checked; it was the responsibilty of the committees in Congress to write the legislation.
How can somebody that spent so many years in the White House not know this?
"How can somebody that spent so many years in the White House not know this?"
it's not the knowing, it's the continuous lying
to the American citizens.
May turdblossom never enter a Highlands sword dancing contest in kilts.
You know what a Scotsman wears under his kilts dont you?
His shoes.
i thought the joke was...
"You know what a Scotsman wears under his kilts dont you?
...your wife's lipstick."
shouldn't Karl Rove be in jail?!
He should be thankful he is not under arrest.
Shit...he can have the common decency to just freakin' disappear.
...and "common decency" ever had any kind of contact, he would porbably explode on the spot and take a 2-mile radius with him. One more reason to isolate Ol' Butterbutt where he can't be heard or hurt anybody. Siberian wilderness works for me.
He lacks decency so much that he throws Obama under the bus even though Obama's justice department doesn't want to enforce his subpoena.
Parachute King Karl and Fox Noise's idiots along with the Boosh Klan into Baghdad, naked at night with thousands of flares and the Star Spangled Banner playing from every loudspeaker within 20 miles.
Why wasn;t the sargeant at arms there to pick Rove up and hal his fat asp away for failing to respond to his subpoena. God what I wouldn't give for a video of him being "escorted" away from a Fox set!
KKKarl sayeth:
I wrote a column last week in the Wall Street Journal saying...
Oh, I see. He wrote it down, therefore it MUST be true.
I really don't care what Butterbutt thinks.
I'm not an expert in these areas...but isn't KY better?
What's he gonna do...bake biscuits in that thing?
[must scrub brain with bleach]
related to Rove?
That would explain so many things...
I recently saw Karl on, I believe it was fox news sunday. He said the Obama administration needed to take responsibility for their mistakes instead of blaming them on others. This was just days after President Obama said publicly, "I screwed up."
When did bush ever take responsibility for any of the mistakes he made?
Karl is just blowing hot air. Whatever he says President Obama should do, President Obama should do just the opposite.
...I'd run right outside to verify that it had just turned vermillion.
Rove needs to be exposed to criminal prosecution ASAP! Bad enough criminal trash like this remains free from justice but to have the scum writing in national print and on national TV is just too much of an insult to the American people!
..I'm supposed to care what BillO and turdblossom have to say?
Oh yeah, right, it was the Comedy Hour on FAUX.
Save your shitty counseling for your future friends in cellblock Karl...help the inmates with their cases and appeals so that they won't have to think about sex.
..is lookin' kinda like a hog to me.
Boss Hogg?
My favorite line from Rove's was "that they were just throwing things out there without knowing exactly how they were going to resolve them". You mean like Guantanamo and the Iraq War?
On CNN yesterday. Arwa Damon was talking about how the last 6 years in Iraq have basically been about cleaning up the mess the USA made in the first place. I must say I agreed with her 100%. Is that what he means by "just throwing things out there, without knowing exactly how they are going to resolve them"?
isn't porky in front of a Grand Jury? Or a special prosecutor?
appearances on the tube speak volumes.
replaces Brooks on PBS?
"... But I'm just worried he's going to lose everybody because he's just going to be saying the same thing we've heard a million times before. ..."
But he has to, Bill. It seems that there are more than a few numbskulls out there who still don't get it. You and Karl know them well - you're their leaders.
And besides, it's worked well for you all these years.
...wouldn't have to say things a few million times if the media actually did it's job. Instead all we get is 24/7 neocon propaganda, that is becoming so frenzied that it's beginning to resemble incitement and sedition.
But I imagine all that could change, if Obama gets around to reforming the FCC or having his DoJ examine the issue from the standpoint of anti-trust abuses of de facto monopoly powers and defrauding the public with their propaganda.
...who recommended all those Bush vacation days.
.. "I wrote a column last week in the Wall Street Journal saying that he was winging it, that they were just throwing things out there without knowing exactly how they were going to resolve them,.." Rove
That Turdblossom wrote something, anything or that he thinks Obama is like W and merely throws things out there hoping for a miracle. If Rove wasn't a criminal, right-wing, toady, I'd believe him to be a complete imbecile with a statement like that.
day and age apparently.
of a file cabinet full of dirt on people to be able to pull this off with complete immunity.
every time I hear Rove speak out in public. I do believe the Bush regime used wire tapping to gain information on everyone, including members of Congress. I see no other reason why Rove has been allowed to thumb his nose at Congressional requests to appear.
He definitely must have a lot. maybe he's got all their phone calls transcribed. Remember they were collecting phone calls BEFORE 9/11. And having been a plumber's assistant in Tricky Dick's admin he has probably been collecting data for the past 30 years. 30 years of oppo research, ouch! His "dirt" could have been collected "legally" and still hurt!
it's a dangerous road to travel. Eventualy he will try to blackmail the wrong person. I imagine that because of his role in betraying Valerie Plame, that there are scores of CIA people who have a score to settle with him. When you play in the jungle, there's no telling what kind of bigger, more ferocious beasts you might run into.
Thanks for your comments, Mr. Helper, Mr. Concerned Citizen, Mr. Beneveolent Sage. If you have any more, please don't hesitate to share them with the nearest brick wall.
Friggin' douchebag.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/62290.html
Michael Hertz, the acting assistant attorney general with reference to Rove's subpoena:
"The inauguration of a new president has altered the dynamics of this case and created new opportunities for compromise rather than litigation," Hertz wrote in the brief dated Friday. "At the same time, there is now an additional interested party — the former president — whose views should be considered."
If Rove gets away with his department of justice antics, who is responsible?
Keep ignoring those subpoenas...and just remember: don't drop the soap.
The current justice department asked that the testimony be delayed and is looking for a compromise. Which means Rove probably will not have to obey the subpoena or testify under oath.
This is the idiot that guided Bush for 7 years through the worst presidency ever.
The only time bush left Washington was to go on vacation.
He could have cared less what happened to the American people.
you are kidding right?
(& as a former Seattlite, I salute you!)
why the hell isn't this guy in jail for Contempt of Congress again? can anyone explain that?
the man yearns for a civil war.
Let's see, his guy left office with one of the worst approval ratings ever and now he feels he needs to tell this President what to do to be successful? Good one, Karl.
Of course I'm sure that BillO is sincerely concerned about President Obama's success and I'm sure he is oh so concerned that he is getting over exposed. After all, we all know what a wise man Bill is when it comes to politics.
ROVE.
DOESN'T.
MATTER.
PERIOD.
On my way to the WaPo opinions page last night, I came across a column by Tom Shales, the WaPo's TV critic.
I guess that's just another way to fight Obama. Take something the previous administration was guilty of -- lack of accessibility -- and turn its antithesis into a failure of the new administration. I guess it's the Goldilocks problem. Too hot, too cold, too hard, too soft, when all that anyone wants is "just right."
So, I guess all those Americans who are frightened and uncertain want to get their reassurance not directly from the president, but rather from Fox News. Obama probably does have to take into account the minuscule attention spans of millions of Americans and realize that there can be too much of a good thing. But last night's speech didn't strike me as an example of that. On the other hand, I recognize that for some sado-masochistic reason the MSM desperately need Obama to fail. Maybe the fact that he looks so comfortable and confident is just something our political journalists (not to mention TV critics) can't stand. Perhaps, they are secretly aware of what a terrible job they're doing and like Charlie Brown of old it isn't that they want to rise above everyone else, they just want to drag everyone else down to their level.
If these lame SOBs want something to criticize Obama for, I suggest they go after his recent stands on state secrets and prisoner rights.
I guess the Wapo is considered the librul media, right?
If KKKarl Rove is so damned credible, he should get his fat ass to the Conyers committee, put his pudgy hand on the Bible, swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, so help him God and them clear his criminal ass. BillO should just go ahead and go crazy....he doesn't have very far to go. These are two assclowns.
Not man enough to testify under oath.
The President was so good last night, the gop panicked and gave him standing ovations for no torture.
Better than President Clinton.
rove is, without a doubt, a complete failure. the un-genius, the anti-midas, the aeinstein.
yet, even this stinking pile of shit sentence stuck out of the larger stinking pile of shit interview:
"And he's been around the country, getting on the television, doing events to draw attention to himself -- there is a danger of being overexposed, particularly if it sounds like he is saying the same thing"
wow... it takes balls so big to crap out such a thought he must need a wheelbarrow just to haul those bloated nuts around. the ONLY thing bush did for 8 years--aside from tanking the economy, alienating allies, acting unconstitutionally, etc.--was to repeat the same tired old talking points out again and again and again. and now, hello, rove sees that as overexposure?
his line should be:
"...I wrote a column in the Cell Block #43 Newsletter last week..."
Look Forward is the new political show!! You are free!! Rub it in everyone's face!
It'll be like "This is your life", where the recently excused get to meet the person that granted them freedom from testimony.
Karl Rove, the moment you've been waiting for, meet Barack Obama.
"enhanced interrogation techniques"
C'mon Karl,you guys hate that PC stuff.
Lets just say "torture".
There.That wasn't so hard was it?
I saw the Sargent at Arms or whoever he is last night. Why doesn't he arrest him and force him to comply with Congress's subpoena.
Is the report correct that the subpoena is on hold and the two sides are in negotiations for a legal compromise?
Rove is not refusing to comply with anything right now. he received a free pass, even if it is only temporary.
I believe Obama asked to delay the motion of contempt, which I believe Kucinich was trying to bright forth in the house... for a minute it seemed as if maybe even Konyers was considering actually doing his damn jobm and follow up on the motion (he's been an even bigger disappointment than either Reid or Pelosi in my book).
Some Obama apologists in this forum speculated that it was part of a brilliant Obama plot to indict the whole Bush cabal, when the "time is right."
I tend to follow Occam's razor, and the logical cause for the delay is most likely that Obama is banking on the delay acting as a catalyst to get Rove off the public eye... and thus the public's mind.
If you are expecting the guy who said that "George Bush was a good guy" to prosecute Bush's brain, you must be dumber than I thought. And I would like to sell you a neat bridge, hardly used, near primo real estate.
Get back to me on the dumb comment after Rove walks Tyler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ili0jgn_JD4
want Obama to keep repeating himself, because Karl Rove knows that if you repeat something enough, people start believing it, no matter how unlikely or farfetched it is. Turd Blossom is a complete tool. I don't know why people even bother listening to that guy.
with your assessment that Obama let the Republicans get the upper hand on the stimulus plan messaging. What he did was allow them to completely tip their hand and then proceeded to demolish their arguments with his infinitely better communication skills.
While simultaneously scoring points with high profile (but useless) attempts to get bi-partisan support, knowing he wouldn't. It was pretty well done, and it's still in progress. Only now it's the Republican governors who are showing themselves up for the idiots they are. Obama didn't stop at just making the Congressional Republicans look like jerks.
He also managed to position the only three remaining MODERATE Republican senators between a rock and a hard place, so that they'd be eliminated one way or the other in the next election. Those senators knew that if they voted AGAINST the stimulus plan their own constituents would kick them out in the next election, and if they voted FOR the plan, their own psychotic, reactionary base would kick them out in the primaries. Either way, they're gone, and we'll have three more Democratic senators.
"I mean, in the first month, he has traveled more than any president in history. He has been gone from Washington more days than any president in their first month in office."
Considering Bush didn't leave the golf course until September 11, 2001...
Obama's just doing his job, (unlike some).
Apparently all part of a cunning plan to make sure Bush's popularity didn't suffer as a result of overexposure.
A time-honored Republican tradition, given that Reagan held the "vacation record" before Bush, and usually gave no more than two press conferences a year.
But it makes sense! How does that old saying go?
"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought the fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
I tried to access the video clip and I kept getting an "Object not found" message. Just thought you folks should know.
[Thanks for the heads up. I sent an email to the admin-Sitemonitor]
I never watch BillO clips. I'm not that mean to myself. I just read the transcript.
This is really all they can come up with? REALLY? The Rethuglican party now has no head because in never had a brain
I was about to post about how sick I am of seeing these two, but then I remembered that this online magazine (ok, its a blog) is called "Crooks and Liars"
TV is ignoring all the Rove subpoenas too, aren't they? All those that have ignored due process are being ignored by TV on their behalf, and we are watching it happen.
Oh, and just remember as this unfolds, TV is really a hand full of owners and producers, behind a vast curtain.
Oh please....
OK -
42" wide-screen HD curtain?
i would be surprised if these two did not
spend some time before or after the show
involved in some serious oral 'LARRY CRAIG'
oral gratification and competition of who
has the widest stance.
It's actually sort of fun to watch these 2 blowhards wank each other. Nobody but their nutcase followers care. Read the polls wankers. Most Americans are with Obama and are hopeful. They don't give a rats ass what you have to say.
alright. Every time Obama talks his already high ratings shoot up.
Oh from Rove's point of view I bet Obama is! It's working and the Republicans are getting creamed . . . and they are terrified.
"He's travelled more in his first 30 days than any other president in history in his first 30 days....He's got to be worried about over exposure."
Yeah, that's right, fatass. So it must have been YOU who advised Bush to spend half of his first eight months in office ON VACATION, breaking the INVERSE record for doing LESS work than any president in history, presumably because you were worried about OVER EXPOSURE. I thought it was just because he was a spoiled rich kid who wasn't used to working more than a couple of days at a stretch without having to go golfing to unwind. When, in reality, it was all part of another Rove-inspired spin doctoring scheme. Nicely done.
(But boy, it must have been hard to break Reagan's record for the most time spent on vacation. Especially when you're in your 50s and Reagan was in his 70s. But then, on the other hand, if you add up all the time Reagan spent alseep during meetings it might be more of a close contest.)
Question: Why is this son of a bitch not in jail?
Answer: Congress has been neutered
point, the day the WSJ goes belly up will be a sad day, but also (contradiction) a day of celebration.
If the fourth house cannot do its job, it should fail.
This is a new novelty for Rove. He calls it overexposure. I see it as keeping the american people informed.
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Q U E S T I O N:
What kind of person turns to a criminal for advice?
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I watched the 1st minute of this 7 minute clip and then stopped.
I would like to thank C&L for watching this stuff for us and posting the clips. Please continue. But I just want to explain my postion on why I try to avoid and choose not to watch this kind of stuff.
My life it too important to me to waste 6 more minutes listening to guys like Rove & O'Reilly They have absolutely nothing to offer.
I know it is important to be open minded. One could argue that I should watch this stuff to be informed. I agree, except there are limits.
As an example, I know that a pile of dog poop on the sidewalk, by the fact that it is what it is, has nothing important to offer me in regards to political or social enlightenment. Now if I was really open minded, no matter how vehemently I dislike dog poop, I wouldn’t judge it for what it is but rather stop, give my time, and patiently try to listen to the dog poop – try to understand it’s point of view. And no matter how disappointed in the past, I would continue to do so.
But in the end, I have always been disappointed by dog poop. I have yet to hear anything of value come from dog poop.
So call me closed minded, but to this day, when I see dog poop, I either avoid it or clean it up.
....for longer than five minutes. Seriously. Who?
I smell the rancid stink of Reslug desperation again and again on Faux Noise. Laughable!!
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