Coulter: Goldwater lost because he was too liberal
By David Neiwert Thursday May 07, 2009 11:00am
It's always special when the King and Queen of Wingnuttery get together. And last night on The O'Reilly Factor, BillO and Ann Coulter didn't disappoint.
We even got some special comedy stylings from the Annorexic One:
O'Reilly: OK, tactics now. Do you agree that the Republican Party is severely weakened at this point in history?
Coulter: No, I think we just lost an election. I hope Republicans aren't this insufferable we win an election, declaring the Democratic Party finished forever.
Hahahahahahaha.
Good one, Ann. Later in the segment she hints that this is all comedy anyway, so obviously she's just getting in some early licks.
Anyway, Coulter goes on to give us the smug and secure view from Planet Wingnuttia:
Coulter: I mean, it seems to me if you look at it historically, over more than, oh, ten minutes ago, um, Americans forget how bad the Democrats are, the Democrats come in, and then we come roaring back.
O'Reilly: OK, so you don't see that the structural party damage is something that can't be resurrected.
Coulter: No. And what's peculiar about this is, no matter what the facts are, liberal Republicans are always telling us we have to be more liberal, no matter what the evidence is, and that's a perfect example of it.
Of course, conservative Republicans are never telling the party that they have to be more conservative, no matter what the evidence. And this not a perfect example of that.
O'Reilly: But isn't that the split, though, the Colin Powell wing vs. the Ann Coulter wing?
Coulter: But the evidence keeps proving them wrong. But no matter how many times we run the experiment, they'll turn around to us and say, 'But you aren't liberal enough.' We just ran the most liberal Republican in the party, other than Arlen Specter, and he's no longer in the party. I mean, we tried a liberal Republican, and they lost, and now they're coming back and blaming us again.
O'Reilly: If the party is divided between the Powell wing and the Coulter wing, how can it ever come together, and defeat a machine that has the American media on its side?
Coulter: Right, it certainly does, which is why it's not just liberal Republicans, it's the entire media, haranguing, hectoring Republicans because we have to stop being conservative.
O'Reilly: So you have a divided party. You may be right, you may be wrong, it doesn't matter. But the GOP is divided, against the Democratic Party and the media. That's tough!
Coulter: It certainly is. But the party is a lot smaller than conservatives. I mean, these polls that keep being cited about the number of people who call themselves Republicans, it's only 21 percent -- well, OK, something like 34 percent call themselves conservatives, whereas only 17 percent call themselves liberals. Or something like that. It's been like that for decades. There are more conservatives than there are Republicans. So it's not a coincidence that the people who want us to lose -- the media and the Democrats -- keep telling us to stop being conservative. We win when we're conservative, and we lose when we're liberal. And we just ran that experiment again last November.
O'Reilly: But you don't always win when you're conservative. Barry Goldwater got his butt kicked.
Coulter: And he's the one who's always being cited today as not being conservative on social issues!
Comedy gold, folks. Comedy gold.
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I agree with O'Reilly's characterization of the two wings of the Republican party: the Powell wing of pragmatic, level headed liars; and the Coulter wing of frothing lunatics. That pretty much encompasses everybody...
Powell will not get his respect back unless he earns it big time.
Did you notice that the Coulter wing of the GOP is full of substance abusers
1) Limbaugh: Oxycodone and (Dominican Hookers)
2) Coulter: Crack (not confirmed, but she looks like a...)
3) Orielly: Falafel (And Thai hookers)
4) Beck: Acid (how else can you explain his hallucinations)
5) Haggard: Meth (and male hookers)
Did you notice that the Coulter wing of the GOP is full of substance abusers
1) Limbaugh: Oxycodone and (Dominican Hookers)
2) Coulter: Crack (not confirmed, but she looks like a crack whore)
3) Orielly: Falafel (And Thai hookers)
4) Beck: Acid (how else can you explain his hallucinations)
5) Haggard: Meth (and male hookers)
3) Orielly: Fleet Enemas
4) Beck: PCP horse tranquilizers
Wow - you really have to wonder what planet these two live on because it sure ain't Earth!
... you've got a pretty unreasonable conversation going on.
I have never read one of Ann Coulter's books, but a conservative co-worker brought her up one day, and casually cited her "fact" that "all the presidential assassins were liberals." He then gave as an example Sirhan Sirhan.
I said, "Um, ignoring for the moment the fact that RFK was never actually president, Sirhan Sirhan was a LIBERAL??!??"
"Um, well, he wasn't exactly a conservative!"
"You do realize that there are more than two political beliefes in the world, right? I mean, Ann Coulter obviously doesn't, but you do, don't you?"
"Umm ..."
"So you're saying that Ted Kennedy has devoted his life to championing the political philosophy that led to the killing if his two brothers?"
"I guess not."
Small victories ...
Woah nice one!
I really LOL on that, worse part is, its not a comedy skit
I've read pretty extensively on John Wilkes Booth, and he was decidedly not a liberal. He did apparently have a lot of sex with multiple partners, so maybe that was good enough for Coulter.
...the Civil Rights Amendment in 1965. These liars will say anything.
Ya, but these people are talking to their children on the other end of the TV. people who are Republicans. They are consoling these people maybe? So the followers keep liking the FOX news 'stories'? They don't hope to make a comeback politically do they at this point? Hhehe. We would have to ignore all that torturing and murder, for the republicans to make a come back now. They would have to fail to prosecute war crimes for Ann and 'Liely to win back hearts and minds. The MSM needs the Republicans to survive with present day tooling, so don't count on them until they retool with republicans out of the contract.
That leaves the DOJ, and the people. If the DOJ also needs the republicans to survive they will not prosecute, because that would surely end the GOP for good. Can the DOJ get by without a republican party? I sure hope so.
So that leaves the people. Can the people not do a fair bit when their elected representatives commit crimes? Even if it's just the minority that cares to enforce the law?
Didn't Goldwater want to nuke Vietnam?
"lob one into the men's room of the Kremlin."
North Korea in 1951.
In 1951 the only delivery system for nuclear weapons was long range heavy bombers. Of the three nuclear powers in that era, we were the one with the fleet of nuclear-capable bombers. so "nuke 'em" was a fairly commonly voiced option.
when Sununu in New Hampshire wanted small tactical nukes for the NH National Guard.
and he came to his more socially liberal views later in life
but he was honest
and he hated nixon
I get it. Anyone who differs with the sex offender O'Reilly, or the sexually offensive Coulter is a liberal.
BTW, four minutes of those two is torture...probably worse than waterboarding.
on...teh...Ghoulter...
Equal justice under the law is back in vogue.
they both suck the air out the room.
what these clueless a-holes think?
Why is their conversation even worthy of inclusion on C&L?
has comedy shows as well as shows that provoke the deranged to violence.
Ann, honey, being MORE socially conservative might help you with the shrinking number of older white voters but does nothing for the future of your party among the increasing number of younger and minority voters. You also need to look at the difference between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives. Yes, you could attract people who think spending is out there (even i do and i'm pretty "liberal") but as long as you keep wrapping yourself up in things like abortion (that ship has sailed) and gay marraige (that train is about to leave the station) you are going to continue to fade away.
How come these two are on the TeeVee? They are not qualified! It's like watching commentary from another planet. It is comedy gold but it's not satire...it's trying to pass as real. Please, please be more conservative. Prove your point. Some folks need to hit their head on the table a few times before they realize they need to change their approach to standing up.
Not funny
No matter how bad things look - Coulter has a twisted explanation for it that you just KNOW the wing-nuts will land on like a fat kids on a cupcakes.
Coulter's better at that than O.lielly, hannity, ingrham or limpballs.
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are not going to understand what torture is until they are scooped up off a city street by several men in a black Suburan with dark windows, a hood is placed over their heads, they are drugged and transported to who knows where, and then subjected to "enhanced interrogation" techniques. Then maybe, just maybe, they will get what torture is.
is it I come here and have to get sick to my stomach and or develop ulcers the second the page opens and I see the picture.
you are a reasonable, sensitive, and intelligent human being? ;o}
i choose the latter
in 94 and then in 2000, repukes did declare that the dems were dead
and ann, you didnt just lose one election...you lost the pres, the senate and saw your numbers in the house drop to almost nothing
and goldwater may have very well been the last true republican
and i truly love a single woman, who once banged bill maher, lecturing on traditional marriage
Maher hit that?
I thought he had SOME standards...
Apparently, very low ones.
You have got to be kidding me
i think all her appearances on his show are posted on youtube
watch their interactions
ya...he hit it...this is a well known fact
i think that because of their relationship, he believes that she is just playing a role...one that makes her the money she wouldnt earn, were she just a normal pundit
No offense to streetwalkers out there.
Friedman unit.
oh come on....you cant seriously be comparing hitch to coultergeist?
hitchens debates well and even if one disagrees with him, the encounter is never ugly
coulter doesnt debate...she shrieks...she lies...she is just annoying
but really...do a google search...it is very well known that they had a relationship
drunken ex-Pat Englishmen may be your cup of tea, not mine.
That said, I was not comparing the two. Just remarking on Maher's weird taste.
bring Joe the Plumber back into the fold?
it depends how one is pro gun rights
if its on the nra side, then yes, that is conservative
if we are talking pro gun with restriction...that is the dem policy
i dont understand the love for hunting, but many dems in the midwest were brought up with it
and really...how many anti choice dems are there?
but im glad that ann is keeping herself out there as one of the faces of the repuke party
with leaders like her, it will be indeed another 40 years in the desert
Another thing the gop hijacked besides religion. The guns. As if only republicans are pro gun rights.
Goldwater wasn't conservative enough? Holy shit! When I read the title of this post, I almost spit my dinner out laughing.
Well mANN, I knew Barry Goldwater. Barry Goldwater was a friend of mine. And you mANN are no Barry Goldwater.
Okay, so I didn't know Barry Goldwater. And sure, Barry might have been conservative; but he wasn't batshit frothing-at-the-mouth insane like today's republican fascist base.
Can't wait to see whats next on the mANN Coulter lunacy tour.
you can read his book...heart of a conservative....its not bad
and its not batshit
the fact that later in life, he came to regret his stances and minorities and gays, shows that he was a very intelligent man...with a soul
i am sure he would not like what his party looks like today
of course, some of his family members may disagree with that
I wonder what he would of thought of Dumbya's Nixonian reign of error? Cheney thought Nixon only made one mistake. Getting caught on tape!
Goldwater loathed Nixon and everything he stood for. He was the one who told tricky Dick that the jig was up. Resign or be impeached! Old "off the table" could have learned a thing or two from Goldwater.
And what would he have thought of the man who took his Senate seat -John McCain. Running the type of religious-based, fascist campaign that represented everything the pre-Raygun republicans hated.
Hell, if Barry were still alive today, he would probably be joining the democrats, and dumping the freaks who are the modern republican party.
When you're a fascist like BillO and Coultergeist, EVERYONE looks like a liberal!
Oh great, someone kicked over a rock and Coulter crawled out so now we have to listen to her drivel.
Passing the Voting Rights Act, ending Vietnam, and opening up relations with China.
illiberal." R. TrickyDee and the MojoNixons
but kennedy was
they forget, they would never have come to any power were it not for nixon and the southern strategy
One reason moderate Republicans have left the Republican party in droves is that the right wing Republicans are NOT fiscal conservatives-
Reagan and GW Bush spent money like drunken sailors on shore leave-Yet amazingly, right wingers are blaming Nancy Pelosi and Pres Obama for the fiscal crater Bush created...
I assume for the likes of Coulter, Savage and Orally, fiscal conservatism is not important-
Bush's FOX apologists opposed any oversight in the billions of dollars being GIVEN AWAY in Iraq.
What these hard right vermin want are radical right wing social policy, that will villify gays Latinos and non Christians.
Republicans CLAIM to want the government out of our lives, but are all too willing to oppress gays citizens, and force Jesus down our throats..
Shoot I thought those were teabags. If I knew that I wouldn't have nibbled.
teabaggin fer jebus were ya?
at the CRB PizzaPalooza non listening tour.
Can't hear ya...I have an ear infucktion after gettin my ears pierced at the CRB PizzaPalooza non listening tour.
The way these republicans talk about Pelosi. Rofl. They talk about her like she's some kind of central american dictator with unimaginable power.
..that Oprah only had three years to live or some such drivel. I remarked, when I noticed the headline, that someone should write that headline down in their PDA calender or something and on the anniversary of the claim, well, if Ms. Winfrey is alive, we can call NE on it.
So, my thought is, when the next election eliminates even more Rethuglicans from the ranks of elected officials, whether they not conservative enough or just over-the-top wingnuts, we re-examine Mssrs. O'reilly and Coulter's words here just because we love proving them to be the least brightest bulbs on the block. Jeez, they make it so easy!
Proving neocons are dim bulbs, is like shooting fish in a barrel.
That seems like far too much time and effort to spend on these sops.
Jesus, if Gramma Levi gets jail time for meth, and Sarah can get her Plumber Joe back on the farm. Oh, sorry. You said sops, not soaps.
don't fall for it. don't be dragged down to their level where they will win by experience.
is so much greater than our reservoir of rationality.
Do you think that Annie lets Billo call her while he's watching his porn?
when those steadfastly entrenched in mainstream media blame...wait for it..the media! for not putting forth their agenda.
i know, if only there was a way to get ann coulters ideas in the media...oh.
Rush Limbaugh is controlling the party voices. There is the mAnn Coulter wing of the gop. I can think of nothing more powerful to destroy the party that was than to have these hate filled nazis running a party.
I don't think she is using illegal drugs. I don't think she is suffering from low blood sugar or lack of food. I think her crazy talk is due to the fact that no one is buying her books anymore and no one care much anymore when she goes on Fox to prostitute herself and her books.
I hope Republicans aren't this insufferable [when] we win an election, declaring the Democratic Party finished forever.
Uh, Ann? I seem to remember something about a "permanent Republican Majority" after Bush was put in charge of a Republican majority Congress in 2000.
Convenient memory ya got there, Sir.
(Addendum: Followed the link to Norquist making the comment, Jan. 2004.
I thought it was earlier than that.)
but a conversation in stupid? Goldwater too liberal? No worries, gay marriage defeated in CA (nevermind the diminishing margin over time), but the kicker: Palin beating Obama, all things equal??? hahahahaha
It's a well known fact that the stench of her breath and body odor is so bad that interviewers won't have her sit anywhere near them.
To say that Republicans wouldn't hint at the Democrat's demise if the roles were reversed is silly.
This comes from Ann Coulter's November 24th, 2004 column after George W. Bush won reelection.
"But Republican politicians simply can't grasp that they are a majority party and the Democrats are going the way of the Whigs."
Ah yes another prediction crashes to earth. Are they ever right?
is an essentially meaningless term these days. Coulter can say that with a straight face because she and her ilk characterize anyone who isn't a frothing at the mouth mad, Christianist, Bush-loving nutbag as insufficiently Republican. Goldwater disavowed the Christianist wing of the party, so he doesn't pass the loyalty test.
Its that Coulter really knows her stuff when it comes to all things insufferable.
The skanky one said it all : " no matter what the facts are " .
For the love of Anna Wintour, would this middle aged woman cut her hair already? At least this time she left her little black dress at home to drip dry. Tragic.
...was when she mentioned Jeff Sessions as a possible presidential candidate. Obviously, Sessions would win big in the Deep South, Utah, Idaho, and maybe a few other states, but otherwise it would be a gigantic landslide for Democrats. Maybe Sessions' upcoming performance saving the USA from Obama's commie court appointees will vault him to national (Republican) prominence and secure the 2012 GOP presidential nomination for him. I bet Obama would be crushed if that happened.
As always Ann's got her facts wrong (McCain is demonstrably more conservative than either Snowe or Collins, so he can't be the most liberal Republican except for Specter.)
Palin / Coulter 2012!!
Where's the witch that flew in on that broomstick?
Ann Coulter says something stupid/insane. Yawn. Why are you wasting your time with someone even the conservatives doesn't take seriously anymore?
...were the country at all desiring of republican or conservative solutions to problems right now, which it really isn't.
Conservatism is out of season right now.
They are such clowns. However, I don't like when people refer to them as "entertainers," as if they have no negative impact. There is a alot of "low-hanging fruit" out there that are just waiting to be scooped-up and told to kill or maim. It was a Bernard Goldberg adherent that recent committed a murder, and refer to "liberals" he wanted to kill.
Too Easy.
David: good writing I appreciate your reporting & writing,
to me it is Just Amazing at how stupid they are, from trying to rationalize torture, to obtstructionsts in Congress, I for one am just sick of them, when someone says their Republican. I just have togetaway from them.
political has-beens that isn't spiteful, condescending, and mean...
So I'll just grin and bear them, knowing that they are both utterly irrelevant. Their PISS is blowing back into their own faces so hard you can just about hear the whistle of the wind when they open their mouths.
My money is on the DOJ not sending anyone to jail. And the main reason why is because Speaker Pelosi is as guilty as cheney is. she was in the loop the whole time. And any in depth prosecution and trial will confirm this, thus there will not be any prosecutions
Everybody can smell the stench of the rotting, dying GOP.
Okay, this is going to sound kooky. But please, check it out and tell me what you think. About 3/4 of the way into this video, O'Reilly for almost no reason mentions "a terror attack." At that same time, an image that is almost definitely Nancy Pelosi appears to overlay the screen, a sort of glitch that can easily be prepared. Do any of you also see that?
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