Disturbing explosives case: Family ran a day care with bomb-making material and neo-Nazi lit in the back
Fox News' Trace Gallagher got all excited Thursday reporting some news out of California:
Gallagher: We're told that a man has been injured in an explosion. Reportedly he injured his hand. Now here's the key: You'd think a guy injuring his hand in an explosion -- this is in Lake Elsinore, which is about 45 miles northeast of San Diego -- the man apparently was handling explosives including, ah, triacetone triperoxide. The FBI is now involved in this. This is the same type of explosive that Najibulah Zazi is accused of trying to build. It is highly unstable and highly powerful. And remember those chemicals that Najibulah Zazi is accused of having? They're still missing. So now in San Diego, or just north of San Diego, someone blows up his hand, using similar chemicals in a powerful, highly unstable bomb. The FBI is now on it. We'll bring you more information on that as it comes in here to the Live Desk. This could be key.
Yep, they were hoping it would be part of their favorite new storyline about radical Islamists hiding out in American suburbs and preparing to strike with a fresh round of terrorist acts.
But then the next day, Jane Skinner had the follow-up on Happening Now: It had nothing to do with Najibullah Zazi or his terrorist cells. This was a project undertaken by a young white man, working out of the garage of his mother's place there in Lake Elsinore.
Oh, and his mother's place was a licensed day-care facility. So while Mom was taking care of a houseful of kids, Junior was in the garage whipping up a fresh batch of bombs. From the L.A. Times:
Benjamin Kuzelka allegedly was making an explosive device when it accidentally detonated about 11:30 p.m. Wednesday, deputies said. He suffered an injury to one hand. About 20 minutes later, deputies said, he showed up at a local hospital saying that he had accidentally shot himself with a gun.
"His injuries were inconsistent with a gunshot wound and doctors called the police," said Deputy Melissa Nieburger, a Sheriff's Department spokeswoman.
Deputies went to the Kuzelka home on a cul-de-sac in the 30500 block of Audelo Street. Property records list Rebecca Kuzelka as the sole owner of the house, which was built in 1983.
Inside the home, Nieburger said, deputies found materials used to make explosives, as well as a sophisticated indoor marijuana growing room.
Authorities did not say how many marijuana plants allegedly were found in the home or disclose the type of explosive materials that were uncovered. A law enforcement source told The Times that substances found at the home were similar to acetone peroxide, or TATP, the same type of powerful explosive used in the 2007 London subway terrorist bombings. There was no evidence that the Lake Elsinore incident was related to terrorism, the source said.
Nieburger said deputies had not determined how many children Rebecca Kuzelka cared for at her home. No children were present at the time of the explosion, authorities said.
And that wasn't all. According to a couple of local reports:
Nazi paraphenalia was also found inside the home.
Everyone's mum about the possibility that the explosives were connected to terrorist activity. But with that kind of background and given the nature of TATP manufacture -- it tends to be a project only for people serious about blowing things up -- that shouldn't be ruled out.
All of which puts some perspective on Gallagher's speculation of the day before. Yes, it was connected to terrorism -- just not the kind of terrorism he was thinking about.
Which likewise underscores the nature of the terrorist beast: He's not always a brown-skinned guy from another country. Sometimes he's the strange right-wing white family that lives next door. But then, Fox never concerns itself with that kind of terrorism.
it's only a matter of time, that one of these hard rightwingnuts do a McVeigh somewhere.... and you can thank our good fiends at clusterfox, and the radio blowhards that hate our president.
this made me think of McVeigh also. how could it not for anyone who is paying attention.
Yep, and Rupert Murdoch. Murdooooch! You bastard!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Proves once again that only unhinged, uneducated morons, watch fixed news and suck up their habitual lies.
Lake Elsinore's a bit farther than 45 miles away from San Diego. More like 75 miles away, and LA is probably closer.
If I recall correctly, it still smells funny.
yup
Lake Elsinore is equidistant from the cities of San Diego and Los Angeles, approximately 70 miles each way. But it's only about 30 miles North of San Diego County.
for national security threat. They quickly distanced the incident when it was discovered it was a domestic threat.
Fortunately for faux there is a history of extremists here just like there is around many military installations. That needs a closer look and purely based by my own observations.
We have always known about it, but somehow we sometimes forget that, because of the typical American lifestyle has always seem to be about the extreme on everything.
If the media doesn't report it, then expect more of the same. If they glamorize it like they did for the guntoting teabagger, then expect more of the same.
absolutely foaming at the mouth after four years in the wilderness not holding the presidency to which they believe they’re fully entitled to own.
Great post Dave but I found one thing wrong with it so I fixed it
BEFORE
All of which puts some perspective on Gallagher's speculation of the day before. Yes, it was connected to terrorism -- just not the kind of terrorism he was "thinking" about.
AFTER
All of which puts some perspective on Gallagher's speculation of the day before. Yes, it was connected to terrorism -- just not the kind of terrorism he was "hoping" about.
is intended to be a factual statement
"many young men and youths in the area who are looking for kicks because there's not much else to do."
these kids could just join the US Army and get their kicks blowing up someone else's house in a country far, far away. That would ensure that they'd get the chance for some more face time on Faux.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
of the Master Race. I'm no expert, but pot smokers shouldn't attempt to operate any devices more complicated than a lighter or a bottle opener.
Yeah, about that Master Race thing...You'd think that maybe someone with a Polish surname would know that there are people who see them as less than perfect. People like the Nazis.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
http://clublet.com/why?QuestOfTheNazis
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I used to live in Chicago and most of the Neo-Nazis there were Slavic. Hitler is spinning in his grave and, if they were not so potentially dangerous, I would be laughing my ass of.
territory of SoCal. Looking at these losers, looks like they've done more than their shares...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Which likewise underscores the nature of the terrorist beast:
http://exotericagenda.files.wordpress.com/200...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
in Goggle street view the ironic part is it looks like a clean well kept typical middle class southern cal burb. Not quite Dog Patch by any stretch.
market. The place is waaay overbuilt and a helluva commute into SD or LA. Trust me, it's a rathole.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
At least with this (soon to be swept under the rug) story FAUX can quickly shift from the “OMG!1!1!1. TERRORISTS!1!1!1!1 We’re all going to die!1!1!1!1” mode to the “think of those poor children” mode.
Neo-Nazi Lit: Worst elective ever.
obviously.
I'm waiting for Republicans to be added to the Axis of Evil and terror lists.
Can't pin it on Muslims? Let's suggest it was liberals.
"This is the same type of explosive that Najibulah Zazi is accused of trying to build. It is highly unstable and highly powerful. And remember those chemicals that Najibulah Zazi is accused of having? They're still missing."
Najibulah Zazi? abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with this band of nazi-wanna-bes. but a nice way to:
- throw a scary sounding name in there, one a dose fer'ner names.
- tie it into the war on
nightraidsterrorism- cloud the fact that these are all-american, right wing terrorists in the making. [note to pentagon: future recruits? eh?]
Sometimes he's the strange right-wing white family that lives next door.
I think that should "Often", not sometimes, given the actual record of terrorist attacks in this country. Rightwing extremist whackjobs like these have committed far more terrorist attacks against the US than all of the Islamic terrorists combined. Of course Faux Spews and the rest of the "respectable" wrongwing do not want to own them, even as they stir them up and egg them on, relying on them as their shock troops against America's democratic institutions.
Nice to see the wingnut/conservative 'Family Values' are still alive and well in this troubling world of ours today.
Nothing like a little bomb-building exercise to feel the love of Jesus and our fellow man.
Fox News: "Nothing here. Let's move on."
"There was no evidence that the Lake Elsinore incident was related to terrorism, the source said"
Yeah, because everyday, ordinary people make BOMBS just for the hell of it...
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
Isn't Lake Elsinore a hotbed of right wing activity? Maybe not as much as Lake Isabella in Kern County but a hotbed none the less.
Former Klan leader Tom Metzger likes in (relatively) nearby Fallbrook in northern San Diego Co.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
on the terrorism bandwagon.
He is 23 and his brother 21. At least biologically. Actual "mental age" is a different story.
I see guys in their 50's even 60's who's maturity level apparently completely stalled out at around 14 or 16. 18 to 21 would be a stretch.
The guy who blew off his hand is 23 years old.
And...Going to mom? This is a woman who was running daycare in a house where someone was growing weed...Not that I've got anything against weed, but, Jesus! What kind of judgment does that woman- most definitely not a teenager- have?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
i changed it to something more basic.
Edit while others are replying to your comment.
;D
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
after reading their ages in the news article.
Just don't let it happen again. Please. :D
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
What a moron. Oh. My. God. Yes, it's disturbing. It's a marijuana farm, people, not the evil "Islamist terrorists". And I love how the sheriff says, "Thank you for inviting me on FOX." Ugh. Keep covering the story, FOX. Keep covering it. You'll find these people have way more in common with FOX viewers than with Islamic terrorists.
this is how you survive in California. You work as many jobs as you can.
If white people do it, it's not terrorism
I'm getting pretty sick of White America's narrow definition of terrorism.
Eric Rudolph was not a hero.
Nor was the idiot Nazi at Ruby Ridge.
Nor was David Koresh in Waco.
If they weren't terrorists then Osama bin Laden wasn't a terrorist. If they were merely protesting or making a political point, then so was Osama bin Laden. You don't stockpile weapons, brainwash and rape children, and attempt to blow up other Americans, no matter what your protest is, unless you're a terrorist.
Fox "News": (crickets chirping)
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christofascist domestic terrorist Eric Rudolph was a pot user.There is something not right about that.Here's the fbi's most wanted dom terrist list.
it seems a little thin.
...Benjamin Kuzelka, 23, is shown in this undated photo provided by the Riverside County Sheriff's Department.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
"substances found at the home were similar to acetone peroxide, or TATP, the same type of powerful explosive used in the 2007 London subway terrorist bombings."
YET
"There was no evidence that the Lake Elsinore incident was related to terrorism, the source said."
Even I don't buy that one. Forget that they're reading neo-Nazi propaganda, they're growing pot, which they're selling to fund their terrorist operations. If these guys were of any colour other than white, they'd already be in Guantanamo.
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/02/11/slai...
They're not all stoner skinheads... some are rich and motivated.
offense than neonazi paraphernalia.
Did they find book shelves full of Coulter, limbaugh, Savage, Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Liddy, books?
Keep looking, they are there somewhere.
'Talk to the hand'
Ok, before we all go charging off into the weeds on this one...
1) Small quantities of explosive do not necessarily indicated terrorism. They can indicate ill-advised fooling around with chemistry. I should know; I made some small quantities of explosives when I was a teenager, as did a number of the more adventurous geeks I knew. I'm an upstanding citizen these days, and I know it exhibited poor judgement, but I don't regret having done it; it was a lot of fun.
These guys don't sound very bright -- from the description, I'd bet money the one who got injured was holding the mixing vessel in his hand. The fact that it didn't hurt him worse or seriously damage the house (because if it had, that would have been reported) indicates to me that there was experimental quantities only present. I suspect 'substantial' in this case means the same thing it means in drug cases, i.e. visible to the naked eye.
2) So what was this Nazi paraphernalia they had? Without more details, it's impossible to tell the difference between a Wehrmacht belt buckle one of them picked up a flea market because they thought it looked cool and a closet full of Nazi regalia or a bookcase full of neo-Nazi screeds.
All in all, what I see here is a trio of poorly-socialized superannuated adolescents with terrible judgement. I look at this and I see radioactive boy scout, not Eric Rudolph.
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