Does McCain blame Palin for his swirling toilet of a campaign?
By David Neiwert Thursday Oct 23, 2008 5:45am
To hear Brian Williams and Chuck Todd talk, as they did last night on Hardball, you'd think things were perhaps not so peachy these days over at Camp McCain, after they spent the afternoon interviewing John McCain and Sarah Palin together:
Well, Chris, and this something that I -- I wouldn't blame Brian for not wanting to say this, but -- there was a tenseness between -- first of all, between the two -- there's no chemistry. I couldn't see chemistry between John McCain and Sarah Palin. It was -- I felt as if we grabbed two people and said, 'Here, sit next to each other, we're going to conduct an interview.'
There wasn't -- they're not -- you know, they're not just ... comfortable with each other, uh, yet. The other thing about it is that you can tell they know that they're losing. They just have -- there's an intensity there, they're drained, the entire campaign staff is drained. The two candidates are guarded, they seem on edge. It's not as if they were rude or anything, it's not as if they weren't trying to be forthcoming, it's just, they seemed -- it's a negative intensity. I don't know how else to describe it.
But you'll see, when you see the two of them together, the chemistry's not all there. You do wonder, is John McCain starting to blame her for things, blaming himself? Is she blaming him? You just wonder what's going on inside their heads. Are they upset with how the other has treated them, and is that why her numbers are low? But whatever it is, it's a negative vibe that you get in that room.
This happens to echo the recent New Yorker piece (which Todd in fact cites a little later in the discussion), which described how much McCain wanted to name his favorite fellow Mavericky Senator, Holy Joe Lieberman himself, and as many of us suspected, strongly preferred Joe as his running mate:
By the spring, the McCain campaign had reportedly sent scouts to Alaska to start vetting Palin as a possible running mate. A week or so before McCain named her, however, sources close to the campaign say, McCain was intent on naming his fellow-senator Joe Lieberman, an independent, who left the Democratic Party in 2006. David Keene, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, who is close to a number of McCain’s top aides, told me that “McCain and Lindsey Graham”—the South Carolina senator, who has been McCain’s closest campaign companion—“really wanted Joe.” But Keene believed that “McCain was scared off” in the final days, after warnings from his advisers that choosing Lieberman would ignite a contentious floor fight at the Convention, as social conservatives revolted against Lieberman for being, among other things, pro-choice.
“They took it away from him,” a longtime friend of McCain—who asked not to be identified, since the campaign has declined to discuss its selection process—said of the advisers. “He was furious. He was pissed. It wasn’t what he wanted.” Another friend disputed this, characterizing McCain’s mood as one of “understanding resignation.”
One can readily imagine the Mavericky One's disappointment -- not to mention Holy Joe's ... as well as the liberal blogosphere's. My, what fun that'd have been. With the added value that Joe no doubt would've helped McCain about as much as he helped Al Gore.
They kept fishing around long enough and came up with a hottie to run alongside the hero. Too bad the hottie turned out to be a complete know-nothing capable of making everyone forget those "McCain moments." Now McCain knows who to blame for that swirling toiletlike sound he hears at every turn: The idiots who told him to name Palin. And of course, Palin herself bears the brunt of this:
Palin initially provided the McCain campaign with a boost, but polls now suggest that she has become a liability. A top Republican close to the campaign said that McCain’s aides have largely kept faith with Palin. They have been impressed by her work ethic, and by what a quick study she is. According to the Republican close to the campaign, she has sometimes discomfited advisers by travelling with a big family entourage. “It kind of changes the dynamic of a meeting to have them all in the room,” he told me. John McCain’s comfort level with Palin is harder to gauge. In the view of the longtime McCain friend, “John’s personal comfort level is low with everyone right now. He’s angry. But it was his choice.”
Just imagine: If he'd been able to name Joe his running mate, he could just go out there and be John McCain and do his thing instead of being the victim of Dobson's Choice he's become.
Why, then he'd only be losing by 15 instead of 10.
[H/t to Heather for the video.]
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Todd says: "I wouldn't blame Brian for not wanting to say this"
Why not? What is he trying to tell us about Brian?
I think that the reason Todd said that was because, as a newscaster, Brian Williams needs to remain non opinionated and impartial. The comments that Todd made after that caveat referred to his opinion and not hard facts. If Todd had asked Williams to "sign on" to that observation, which was not very pro McCain, Williams impartiality could be called into question, or, more likely used as a talking point that Williams is part of the "liberal" (I prefer to think of it as "reality based") media.
Reality has a liberal bias. so true.
Todd is permitted to state opinion.
In the Rachel Maddow segment, Rachel says to Williams, "Well, at least she didn't make any major gaffes this time" (referring to the interview). Williams replied, "I'll let you be the judge of that. Remember, you're only seeing a clip here; you haven't seen the entire interview".
I believe Williams is a Republican. I know he wrote a piece on his blog some months ago, fawning over Peggy Noonan. I think that's a good indicator.
From what I've read and heard from his own lips, I'd say that's a pretty accurate statement.
Brian Williams is indeed a Republican, almost purely a corporate type. But then, there are bunch of them jumping off that particular haywagon this year.
Williams did make a comment on Maddow's show that he has to explain to her the idea of coporate media ownership.
See, there are two kinds of Republicans: true fiscal consevatives and the stupid "x-ian" rabid base. They are miles apart in the thinking department.
Actually, maybe there are three or four kinds. The third kind are the Hammer guy (what's his name?, rat poison guy); personal glory, power and riches matter most. And, the fourth is the ideological neocon.
Just imagine: If he'd been able to name Joe his running mate, he could just go out there and be John McCain and do his thing instead of being the victim of Dobson's Choice he's become.
Why, then he'd only be losing by 15 instead of 10.
I'm not so sure about that. A lot of moderate and liberal Republicans who will now be voting for Obama may have voted for McCain if he had chosen a friend instead of capitulating to Dobson and his comrades. Maybe...but we'll never know...
Ok, everyone say it's XX days any thing can happen. McCain seems to not be above a few stunts to try and win, here is one I would actually be afraid it could work...
He waits until like 3-4 days before the election then drops a bomb on the media, he comes to the podium and says.
"My friends I have done myself and my country a great disservice, I made a terrible mistake and to correct that mistake I would like to announce the dropping of Palin as my running mate and her replacement by Joe Lieberman.
My friends. I went against my own best judgement when I listened to the fringe elements of my party and not to my heart. I am also dismissing all of my campaign staff except those that are loyal to me and the country not a political party. My friends, in 2000 I was brutilized in the same fashion by the same people that are running my campaign, and I'm ashamed, I thought if I went along with the hate that permeates the right it would get me elected and that the ends justified the means, I was Wrong. We cannot divide this country anymore than it already has been over the last 20 years. I have been forced to change, forget or take positions that I do not agree with, just to be clear, I do believe that the rich should pay morein taxes than the poor, I do not endorse torture, I do not endorse or condone wiretapping innocent Americans in the name of freedom. I believe in small efficient government, I believe that big money lobbys and the washington corporate money game is sucking all that is good out of our leadership in Washington.
I can change that, I can start now. In 2000 I said what I meant and meant what I said, as the years went by I was convinced this country needed my leadership more than ever, and I was convinced by others to do whatever it took even if it meant violating my core beliefs. This was something I rationalized at the time but I can no longer. My friends, I have always said it's never to late to do the right thing, and I hope I'm not to late to serve this great country in a way that reflects my deep and unwavering love for it. I want to thank you all for your support and apologize to Obama and any other patriotic Americans for any slander they suffered at the hands of my out of control campaign.
Mike_1776: I keep wondering this too, but then I have to ask myself, at such a late date, would ANYONE, even Lieberman, agree to hook the rest of his/her future political career to the swirling, sinking turd of a ship that is the McCain campaign? Not sure even Lieberman would do that.
was to predict, in mid 2007, that there would probably be McCain/Lieberman ticket. Admittedly, I thought they'd try to become a 'third-party/Unity' ticket, because I believed atht the time and still that McCain is/was unelectable as a GOPuke...
By the way, qand slightly O/T: "I'm so bearish you could call me Pooh..." It's both funny and smart...
God, do I love this Repuke cannibalism.
The toilet bowl thing is very fitting. All those turds swirling clockwise around the drain.
Considering McShame is so Maverickey wouldn't they be swirling counter clockwise?
Wouldn't they go counterclockwise there too Bob?
So, all that POW heroism, DC experience and general maverickness couldn't overcome Kristol's influence on the VP choice?
I thought they were soulmates. Seems there should be chemistry between soulmates. They are most cetainly a pair. Not sure what they are a pair of.
A pair of syphilitic nuts on the last leper in hell?
No, I'm sorry, that's cruel to people with syphilis, leprosy or are in hell.
McCain wanted to shore up the dominionistas, Palin just wanted her 15 minutes of fame.
She got those 15 minutes plus some expensive clothes. What a deal.
As I watched that interview last night, I told my husband she reminded me of a relative visiting an elderly person in a nursing home. She just watched him talk with the understanding that no matter what he said, the interviewer would understand at his age, he might just say anything.
So the old maverick let his campaign bully him into going against his better judgment. That says a lot about his character. I imagine he does resent her now. She has become the laughing stock of his campaign. At first she was just an oddity or an attraction, but like other things that draw first dawn interest, her attraction is not so pretty in the light of day.
This morning I heard that she said some people call her a red neck to which she says, thank you. All that money spent on her clothes and makeup, yet she appreciates being called a red neck?
because he told her to STFU. Everytime she opens her mouth utter craziness comes out. That is why McCain has to sit next to her during her interview. Damage control.
Watch the moment in the interview where she says "Can I just interupt?" [Not "If I may interject?"] McCain has "that face" again. Angry, worried, dreading the next moment.
That is why McCain has to sit next to her during her interview. Damage control.
EXACTAMUNDO!!!!!
Notice how he pounced on her words to correct the number of endorsements from former Sec of State. this was supposed to be a 'plain' interview, not a 'mcplain' interview.
brian mentioned that he got to pull her aside for a half-hour or so. the repug brian will distill the interview to clean her up for some primetime kindness.
the msm will do their best to make it a tight race and they are not doing it for the ratings. As usual, just like 'moderating' the debates and totally overusing the false equivalency technique, SCLM will try to save the repug disaster.
j Dean on Herschbergers history of Mccain--must read...
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20081017.html
...and now the devil is coming to collect. If he had run as John McCain, and not as a continuation of obviously failed neocon policies, he could have won this thing. Thankfully, his advisers completely screwed the pooch on this one. McCain/Lieberman could have been a formidable opponent to Obama/Biden. McCain/Palin is a political punchline.
instead of his political convenience, he'd have named Hillary as his VP, and forestalled all this GOP crap. It would have completely short-circuited the GOP plan...
Seriously. So Palin's reign of craziness is due to Obama not picking your gal? Grow up, seriously...
Or, I'd say, McCain's stupidity thinking that everyone with a vagina will abandon their own values and run to his sleaze-bag show, cuz all women will magically stick together and vote for anyone with the same anatomy (i.e., they don't have brains or ideas of their own.) He's old and white enough to be that dense.
I doubt the sex of the candidate holds much sway. As Hillary said, I didn't run as a women, I ran because I wanted to be president and this is who I am. (not verbatim.)
Actually, I think the race would be closer. McCain's choice of Palin wouldn't seem so mavericky, so he and his advisors would have gone another direction: Mitt Romney.
Put a guy that supposedly has a lot of economic experience in there and the downward spiral of the impending recession wouldn't be McCain's albatros.
Obama made the best choice possible. McCain's pick of Palin is very transparent. Clinton would be the best possible choice to head up the Senate and get Reid out of there as the Democrat leadership. Clinton would have more influence and power (and possibly longer) than she ever would as president or vice president.
I think HRC would be an outstanding replacement for Reid. Time to kick some ass in the Senate!
If Obama had named Hillary as his running mate at the Democratic Convention this whole election would have been over that night. There would have been NOTHING the Republicans could have done to beat them.
Not that I'd ever want to encourage them, but if the Republican Party had any brains they would divorce themselves from the right-wing wacko fundamentalist control freak wing of their party and let them form their own damn party. Then they'd have a political party of their own that could be swept into the dustbin of history rather than into the White House!
Here's a very funny article about the election by Larry David that probably reflects exactly how most of us here at C&L feel:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-david/wai...
"What ifs" are the way the mentally weak deal with reality.
all projections were that hillary on the ticket means barack loses or hillary loses if she were at the top.
I think, in the end, "all this GOP crap" has exposed them for exactly what they are. It is, oddly, positive. The GOP might re-group and re-think, and purge the scum from their ranks, especialy if NO ONE votes for them/their rotten candidates.
McCain Campaign Now Packaging ‘Pete the Porn Star’
You could tell from day one they aren't comfortable together and it's only getting worse as their campaign continues to swirl.
I expect that they're deliberately keeping them apart at this point knowing old man mcsame's temper and his inability to deal with reality.
It's impossible to hide the fact that the 'anvil in lipstick' is taking the party and the campaign to new lows. Not that mclame is a big draw for anyone either.
It's not just her or her painful ignorance or disgusting derisive ways but more the fact that she herself is a giant neon sign pointing to mclame's incredible lack of judgment or competent advisers.
that just about sums it up!
How long until he calls Palin a C***, too?
It would seem to me that if John McCain were truly 'in charge' of his campaign, and especially with his reputation for being stubborn, then the Palin issue wouldn't be one. He'd have gone with Joe and stuck with Joe.
Of course, now the people who advised him to pick Palin are in the exact same spot - if they don't continue to back her, THEY look like a bunch of royal chumps, and McCain goes ballistic.
When it comes down to it, I wonder if someone has been banking on McCain croaking from melanoma, and frontloading Palin into the veep slot puts an evangelical hockey puck in the front seat without her really having to withstand a long campaign.
I love the way the pundits actually are making the case for McCain's ineptitude and total impotence within his own campaign as they try to play the blame game on campaign aides and insiders.
In so doing, they have painted McCain into an exit-less corner: 1)Either McCain is totally inept and cannot control even his own campaign which does not bode well in the minds of americans regarding his strength of character, resolve, and ability to keep this country safe....or...
2) McCain is the CEO and, as such, the buck stops there. No need to point fingers at anyone if he wants to claim the CEO "experience meme", is there?
Each of these two conclusions is equally damning for McCain.
We all know that McCain's tyrannical persona is legion within the Senate so one would have to conclude that the obvious and predictable finger pointing will only backfire in his face, just like every other shenanigan has heretofore.
And remember:
John
BushMcCain is his own man!have to agree that your theory has certainly occurred to at least a few dominionists. We have a solemn duty as citizens, to protect and defend the U.S. Constitutions against all threats, foreign of domestic. I honestly feel that a palin presidency would be the worst thing that could happen to the separation of Church and State. Just hearing from palin that God's will will be done on Nov. 4 sends chills up my spine;
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081022/ap_on_el_...
God (if you are a believer) instilled in Man, free will. God gives Man the choice. How many affairs of State will this person "place in God's hands?". She is clearly (IMHO) in NO WAY qualified to fulfill the requirements of a Chief of State.
Clap, Clap, Clap
That is precisely the plan. An evangelical (and not just any old evangelical, but a meanspirited dominionist) in the White House.
I think the proccess went something like this:
Need VP running mate
Clinton has 18 million supporters (votes)
The base wants red meat
-->*Hire evangelical woman* (like deficits, experience doesn't matter; well package her up nice)
I believe what these interviewers were alluding to was the total failure of the McCain campaign and the level of desperation these two have reached right now.
They've watched every slick political trick and "gimmick" not only fall flat on it's face but backfire in their faces. They've watched every "faux gremlin" they've spent all of their precious resources on to attach to Obama fail to stick and gather traction. And now we see the obvious: The McCain Campaign is clearly out of gusto in the realization the america will elect Obama by a landslide, even in red states, and all of the swing states.
They also recognize that hacking this election is no longer an option with the landslide these polls are predicting.
Not being able to suppress and frighten voters any longer and the premise of the improbablity/implausibility of their hackers being able to corrupt all of the states McCain needs to hack, spells disaster for these two.
Now their latest "Palin gimmick" is also backfiring on them. They brought her out of the gate as being a Wal-mart hockey mom - the mother of 5 also serving as Governor. If they had an intelligent candidate who dressed like America's quintessential hockey-mom, this could not only have resonated with middle american women everywhere but we would have respected their choice.
We discover, now, that the HockeyMom/Walmart "myth" is a total fabrication in every respect. Not only is she NOT a hockey mom who buys her clothes in Walmart but she's spent Joe, The Plumbers, next three years income within the scope of ONE MONTH on clothes attempting to crate this vacuous candidate.
John McCain no longer holds any degree of respect and dignity with the american people. Whomever he was years ago when he resonated with the people, has vanished, I feel, into the darkness of senile dementia.
Yesterday's ridiculous comment in Pa. amplified all of his gaffes with the people behind him looking stunned and remarkable "had". My fellow prisoners, this man is now totally discredited.
We "average people", with internet at hand, threw a fly in the ointment by instant fact-checking and rebuttals, every single step of the way.
We have changed the election. (Clap here, but remember to vote: the final nail in the GOP's coffin.)
I think Palin thinks this senile old man has dashed her hopes of becoming VP. She thinks that she has carried the water for the right wing base of the party, and McCain has failed her. When this is over the repug party will have a big price to pay to Palin, and with the nut bag base behind her, she will be there to collect. Maybe in 2012 we will see a Palin/Bachmann ticket.
That's ticket straight from the bowels of hell...
If the reslugs pick her up again next time I'll eat my hat. Even they aren't THAT stupid. Are they?
As one wag stated recently, it is amazing and terrifying that the Republicans managed to come up with a potential future leader in Palin who is stupider than George W. Bush. Not a bad observation.
Did they really want a pit bull wearing lipstick? I imagine they would like to take it back to where they got it now. It's torn the place apart and barks all the time.
♫♪ that was music to my ears ♪♫
Maybe we should call the Pound?
Has pissed and shit all over EVERYTHING!
And you should see the bathroom! Chewed-on lipstick everywhere!
I think it was thinking about painting its toenails ...
They even bought it a shiny new collar and a pretty bandanna but it's still an obnoxious pit bull.
And the nasty things it leaves behind... ugh!
They are uncomfortable together because they don't know each other. They're strangers. They've hardly been in the same room together since the arranged marriage at the RNC. Jon Stewart called the Palins, Grifters. You can just see them in fancy hotels. What does this toilet(bidet) do Mom? You can see them in their white robes ordering massages and room service 24/7.
That does paint a picture.
What I found remarkably explicit during observation of this interview was how the paranoia level has increased between the two of these candidates.
When Palin was asked about "preconditions", I feel we saw firsthand the fear and trepidation McCain now feels about his uneducated sidekick opening her mouth. Of course, she never answers the question and this time was no exception. She convolutes every thought she's attempting to express and McCain almost had to jump in, again, to try to save this woman from herself.
that's who you should blame.
That's why I think it's a bad idea to get too smug before November. I won't feel confident about any election until every Diebolt voting machine is turned into landfill.
It's what they're counting on. [no pun intended] The rigged voting machines.
I wouldn't trust it as landfill, either. It'd subside on you after four years ...
> They have been impressed by her work ethic
Yeah, after she was found guilty for violating the Alaskan Ethics Act.
> and by what a quick study she is.
So quick that she doesn't know what a VP does, after being asked that already 3 times.
BTW David, your piece on her AIP connections was great, what a shame that the cowardly MSM buried it again so swiftly...
The media is being forced to reveal her anti-government AIP connections soon by being flooded with letters and petititons to do so.
We will see a swift pick-up of this dropped media ball over the weekend.
I wouldn't bet on it. But after Nov 4 no one will care anyway... :)
Stamp: FAILURE
John McCain's "executive experience" is a failure because he's the CEO of his own campaign and has failed abysmally.
What else is obvious at this point is that John McCain lacks the wisdom and intelligence to select someone who would assume the reins of this country when he has his next bout of chemotherapy and radiation for his fatal cancer.
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Now I'm off to walk the streets and look at stuff in the night market.
Have fun and don't forget to get evryone you know to get out and vote.
McCain created a character for himself but he couldn't live up to it.
Vote Sarah Palin...that's her name...and away goes the country...down the drain.
There are so many pieces and videos of Sarah Palin's flagrant support for the Secessionist group that they are certain to be the topic of conversation this weekend.
It's taken on a life of it's own and it's high time our whoring media airs it.
Bombard every media website with this information today:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/...
He called 'em "grifters."
Here's a dictionary 'definition':
Noun 1. grifter - a person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud chiseler, chiseller, defrauder, scammer, swindler, gouger,
- card shark, card sharp, card sharper, cardsharp, cardsharper, sharper, sharpie, sharpy, a professional card player who makes a living by cheating at card games,
- clip artist - a swindler who fleeces the victim; con artist, con man, confidence man
- a swindler who exploits the confidence of his victim; beguiler, cheater, deceiver, trickster, slicker, cheat
- someone who leads you to believe something that is not true...
Sound like any GOPalins you know?
GOP = Grifters On Parade...
welcher, welsher - someone who swindles you by not repaying a debt or wager
I too saw this last night and thought it spot on.
Also a Law and Order CI rerun earlier in the day based on the life (and death) of Anna Nicole Smith seemed oddly timely...
As long as it means the Republicans lose on Election Day, cool.
You know? The ones that don't mention McCain? Those might have been a little presumptive.
To blame the failure of the McCain ticket on {alin, or Bush for that matter, is just plane wrong. The reason McCain is losing is that the Rethugs are wrong, the platform they run on, the way that they run the govt, how they run the elections, the embrace of religous and xenophopic nutbags, and on and on. There is no one person that is to be blamed, it is the whole of the ideas that rethugs have embraced that is now so repellent ot most of America that is to blame for the failure of the McCain ticket.
Exactly! That explains the media bias towards Obama it's not bias it's reporting! This is a good analogy... Today the two hopefulls unveiled their homemade cakes today, here in this picture you can see Obama holding a cake, well decorated with frosting and lookng pretty good, over here we have McCain with a plate full of ... shit? Well it's kinda built up like a cake, it seems like it has frosting, might be mold.. mhh how do we report this? Objectivly it would be Mcain plan looks lke shit, Obama has a decent cake with frosting. So then the right screams foul! you are giving Obamas cake way to much coverage, we want you to cover McCains shit pile and make it look good.
Well, good luck with that media, whats funny is they try.
I especially like the part where advisers told him who to choose for VP and he did even though he made it clear he wanted someone else.
How mavricky!
LOL!
but well worth the read. It is a short biography of Palin's rise from city council from The New Republic http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8c1... via Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish "How Anti-Intellectual is Palin?" http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
"Here's one way to look at the question: how has Palin brought up her own kids? Her eldest son is a high-school drop-out. Her eldest daughter has had, so far as one can tell from press reports, very uneven attendance in high school, and no plans for college. Her other daughters seem to spend a lot of time traveling the country with their mom at tax-payers' expense. I've seen them at several rallies with the Palins this fall. Are they not in school?"
The least one can say is that none of her children seems to have been brought up thinking that college is something to aspire to. And her new son-in-law just dropped out of high school as well.
Sarah Palin's own record of several colleges over several years - ending with a degree in sports journalism - tells you a lot.
FWIW, I'm pretty certain that Palin's degree was in broadcast journalism, not sports. I just spent a weekend hanging out with my friend the dean of UI's J school (Palin and I share the same alm mater) and that's what their records show.
I didn't write the article, but I thought that too. Of course a sports journalism degree would better explain why Palin couldn't name one newspaper or periodical she's read.
You could just tell during that interview that McCain wasn't comfortable because he laughed or smiled that weird smile at the end of each of his sentences. I think he's mad as hell and doing everything he can to try to cover it up. He knows with just about any other candidate on his short list, at least at this point, would have still been taken seriously. Even someone like Joe Lieberman. Joe could have gone out on his own from the day he was chosen. There would have been no time needed for gearing him up. He wouldn't have been a pop star, but at least he would have been reliable.
This is what happens when you have to rely on the running mate as the the one who is energizing the base. When McBush relies on Palin to draw the crowds and get the media interested then he has probably lost. The only reason anybody is going to his rallies or watching on TV is because of Palin. If it was Holy Joe nobody would care. The base would be sleeping. The deal is that nobody really cares about McBush.
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Here we go!
So this recession is going to be blamed on President Obama. You knew it was coming.
Its funny when the idiot right wing say that the Democrats have been in power since 2006. That is bullshit. It is a lie or it is stupid ignorance. The Democrats were voted in in November 2006. They didn't take office until January 2007,. This financial meltdown started no later than August 2007. Or at least it became obvious then. It started way before that. That was 8 months after they took office but the seeds were sown way before that. Goldman Sachs says it is laying off 3500 assholes. Is that President Obama's fault too? You are not "joetheplumbersupporter". You are RandytheRepublicanDickhead.
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"Well, Chris, and this something that I -- I wouldn't blame Brian for not wanting to say this, but -- there was a tenseness between -- first of all, between the two -- there's no chemistry. I couldn't see chemistry between John McCain and Sarah Palin." WTF? Is politics now a high school cafeteria at recess?? These two morons should be publicly denigrated for their low-level, useless and childish "reporting". If they have any journalistic credentials (whatever the hell they are), then they should be rescinded. Staggering.
Ever listen to fox "news"? todd was giving an opinion, based on his observations. At least he had the decency and integrity to admit that these were his opinions. He doesn't try to pass if off as though it were necessarily true.
Who wants to hear journalists' opinions? At one time, this type of reporting was deemed to be editorializing and was restricted to the editorial page. It was always understood that editorializing was not reporting. Today, that distinction is out the window and causes confusion and wariness in the citizenry for the obvious reasons.
I want to hear journalist's opinions in the appropriate settings. Brian Williams has bit of class and tact that makes him a decent anchor.
Chuck Tood isn't a journalist per se... he's the network's goto guy for political insight and opinions. Todd wouldn't do well as an anchor.
I'm a journalist (actually I cover high school sports for a weekly newspapers) and people ask my opinion about county teams, the conference shake down, and the playoff picture all the time.
Why don't you push for reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine.
I think it was one of the "other things" that undid Holy Joe's chances - namely being Jewish. Just like Romney was flushed due to excessive Mormon-ness.
Palin was appointed by the evangelicals in a craven attempt at energizing "the base". There's no way they would support a heathen and they were seriously underwhelmed by Grampa Flipflop's lack of commitment to the cause of religious nuttery. Bad luck for Grampa, it turns out that the base just isn't that wide any more and was only good for ~25%.
I eagerly look forward to the moment when McCain snaps. You know he's just one spilled beer or burned dinner away from a complete meltdown.
to around 25% has got to be one of the most heartening signs in this country in the last decade. Let's hope it continues to wane.
sarah palin is way over her head. the CBS interview with Putin's head flying over alaska, Palin NOT having
the correct understanding of the role of the vice president,Troopergate,relationship with sen. Ted Stevens, Palin raised taxes on oil co. profit, can see russia from alaska,denies global warming ask people in alaska in the fishing industry if they have seen a difference,Palin left Wasilla a huge debt. Palin is far RIGHT. that's NOT what we need NOW. people can criticize colin powell but i appreciate his experience with people.powell says Palin is NOT ready. of course we know several right wing journalists don't believe she is ready to be the president either.Palin is NOTHING more then a mascot. for Palin to avoid the news media is short changing the public. instead the RNC wants to shove this choice down our throats. NOT
this time.
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I knew barney was competent and powerful, but you've been reading too much right wing propaganda. Mae and Mac failed because they took advantage of lax gov't oversight (helped along by their lavish spending on lobbying REPUBLICAN congressmen).
You shouldn't bear false witness. I believe it's one of the 10 commandments.
It's all Barney's fault... he did this all by himself... He is the sole reason that Conservative (VooDoo, Supply Side, Trickle Down) Economics from the past 28 years has failed.
Granted he didn't make the best decisions in regards to Mae and Mac, but you CANNOT solely blame him for the economic collapse when it's been in play for 28 years.
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If the Democrats recall Bush's tax breaks, that'll be a start. If we reduce our role in Iraq from being an occupying force... that could help as well (We're bleeding money into that mess).
The Republicans know that they have to find some place to get money as well and they may be using the dreaded "T" word. At least Obama and the Democrats are being somewhat honest by saying that: Yeah, we gotta raise taxes to get us out of this hole.
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He will give some of us in the middle class a tax break. I don't make more than $250,000 a year.
But if he doesn't do that immediately, I'm okay with that, but tax breaks for the top 1 or 5 percent isn't the way to stimulate the economy.
No money? We just gave Wall Street and the banks $700 billion... we're hemorrhaging billions per month to Iraq... Don't tell me there's no money.
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I'm glad you conceded that Obama doesn't want to tax everyone, but rather the top 5 or 1 percent.
The money...
Who had a surplus when he left the presidency? Who squandered it by giving tax breaks to the top 5 percent during a time of war?
What does that have to do with anything... not much, but I love to throw that out there. It does illustrate that for some stupid, odd reason Democrats tend to be a bit more fiscally conservative than Republicans.
The pre-emptive invasion of a sovereign nation with a democratically-elected government (Iraq) by a superpower (US) that resulted in the death of 300,000 civilians (UN numbers) with the sole purpose of establishing permanent military bases to ensure a huge measure if not total control of oil production is not a "mess". It's an international war crime and the perpetrators should be charged and tried. Welcome to reality.
Gimme some of what yer smokin, joetheplumbersupporter. I want to get that high too.
Frank didn't have much to do with the collapse of Fannie and Freddie...it was almost entirely the Rethugs with their crusade of DEREGULATION!!!
Try again.
And regarding joe...A)he's not a friggin plumber. B)he only makes 45 g's a year. C) he DOESN'T have plans to buy ANY business at the moment.
D) he's obviously a McSpain/Plain plant.
E) if I missed anything, I'm sure someone here who AIN'T a GOP troll will let me know.
Have a nice day.
Obama/Biden 08
In a motherfuckin LANDSLIDE Biotch!
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I thought ACORN was basically a charity/non-profit organization that was set up to help those that couldn't afford their own congressmen to lobby for them at the state and national level.
Dude... chill.
Joe/Sam/Whatever works for a general contractor. I know general contractors and while some can do plumbing work, many aren't licensed to contract out to do that kind of work.
A plant? Kinda... sorta... Joe/Sam/Whatever had some sort of an agenda when he went to talk to Obama. From all indications Joe/Sam/Whatever wasn't really as independent and undecided as he claimed to be.
Spread the wealth. I love that phrase... reminded me of the the old rules of "Life" that no one really paid attention to.
What does spread the wealth really mean to you Joe?
In the Bible, it calls for a redistribution of wealth and the forgiveness of debts, the freeing of slaves, etc. (Leviticus 25 and 27) as a celebration of Jubilee. So, maybe Obama is being a true Christian here.
What kind of charity do McCain and Palin support? I don't hear much of what they do. I'm sure the McCains contribute quite a bit to help with their tax shelters.
Got on a roll there...
Yes, you are correct... Monkeys are cute, but I'm not going near anyone's butt, unless it's Jessica Biel.
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How many inappropriate comments have to be deleted before you're banned. Just wondering.
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Am I going to get banned or have my comments deleted for trying to point out exactly how asinine his comments were?
If they do get deleted, I have no problems with that. I'm a liberal. I can forgive and see the big picture at times.
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I just logged back on about 15 minutes ago. I do flag comments I feel are Inappropriate, but try not to be a pest about it. I'll be more diligent in the future. Thanks for your reply.
McCain and Palin just have a lot of sexual tension between them. McCain is always looking at her ass or her legs. He should just stain her pretty little $15,000 dress and then they will be fine.
Or as Gramps would probably say, "I've got your "soulmate" right here..."
Thanks...now I'll have that disturbing image in my head, just in time for lunch too...
having sarah palin's medical record(s) reviewed is reasonable. let's see if she releases the records. i've
heard some predictions like treatment for anxiety and/or depression.
well, damn, if I had to spend all of my time keeping an eye on Russia, I'd be anxious and depressed, too!
Or, if I had a pregnant, underage daughter and had to live in Alaska, I'd be depressed.
Great story at fivethirtyeight.com about Miss Virginia taking exception to the other "beauty queen's" comments about her state. Last line in the article is a clincher:
"Even I've been interviewed by Chris Matthews."
www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-richm...
(C&L: Get with the program, huh? I don't come here to type in HTML code! If the crappy Orlando Sentinel can make it easy so can you.)
McCain will be calling Palin the c-word any day now.
and she'll probably like it.
Naw, he'll just call her a trollop.
At the end of the day... Maybe tomorrow is the day, I can't blame the demise of McCain's election and fall of the party on Palin. I think she is doing the best she can with her knowledge and understanding of politics as clearly outlined by the Republican party and how things may have worked in Alaska. Despite being the Governor of a really big piece of land she is still a small time politician playing in the muddy murky waters of the Washington elite. She can deny it but she is one of them now or really acts like them. I don't think she will change. In fact, if not elected,(one can dream) and she has time to reflect I think she will become a better political animal and bill the State for more and more stuff and get her husband, future son-in-law, kids, people who supported her, all new clothes, jobs, contracts, etc. It is in her DNA.
When it comes down to it, there is always the matter of choice.
Palin CHOSE to accept the candidacy, when she clearly was not qualified. Most people would be humbled by that fact. Instead, her vanity got the better of her. Normally, the most incompetent people are arrogantly confident in their skills.
Palin CHOSE to be meanspirited, stoop to a very low, negative campaign. This is her history. It isn't anything new. She's stabbed just about everyone in the back that has helped her career in order to further her career. Her career has also shown a disdain for intellectuals, a sense of entitlement and a lack of ethics.
Palin CHOSE the candidacy and in doing so knew that her life would be made public. Someone who is embroiled in an ethics scandal should consider the Party and decline to bring it down.
Palin CHOSE to enter her family into the public realm. I'm a parent. You always put your family first. Allowing a spotlight on a pregnant, 17 year old daughter is not responsible parenting. Her daughter is at the age where she is self-conscience and insecure. She is probably mortified by the attention her pregnancy has gotten.
Consider how her children must feel when they hear or read that their mother is a "drag on the ticket" and a "national disgrace" or even "Caribou Barbie".
Yet, she presses on, talks shit about her skills being greater than Obama's. She has no clue.
i have watched the few interviews done with the children in her and todd's presence...the kids dont talk much, if at all...when questions are directed towards them, the answers are short.
unlike palin and mccain, obama hasnt been bringing his kids on the campaign trail and using them as props....during the summer, they both were in day camp, right now, they both are in school
and when they are interviewed, they are allowed to speak...and speak they do
funniest thing i ever saw was an interview with access hollywood...malia talked about seeing her mom in people magazine and how shocked she was, because photo shoots were usually for people like angelina jolie
the obama's are a regular family, just like mine, where the kids are allowed to speak their piece
there is something seriously wrong with the palin family
When McCain comes out and apologizes for the nasty campaign he's run (which he will likely do if history is any indicator) he'll probably throw Palin under the bus too. Lieberman might have helped with the independant vote but it would've been just as much a pandering pick as Palin was. The only thing they really agree on is the war.
the dumb little nitwit.
guess they have to live with her.
when she's done stomping around the stage in those heals, McSame will have her "punish" him..
I get the feeling that someone on McCain's staff generously donated $150,000 worth of clothing to Sarah Palin and told her that promising to give some of it to charity made it tax-free income as a way to stick her with a huge tax bill. My theory is that a part of McCain's staff is irritated by the way she campaigns and the racist riff-raff he brings to the media's attention, so they gave her a ton of stuff knowing she wouldn't understand that it was taxable.
on her own?
if so, you havent been paying attention
mccain's own campaign manager said that this would be their strategy for the last weeks
think she really knows who ayres is, or who the weather underground is, or anything at all about the 60s?
think there were campus protests in alaska during nam?
she is a full retard
watch her debate in 06...it is illuminating
I think Williams and Brokaw are both Republicans. It's pretty obvious from the way they treat the candidates.
I have a few republican friends he say they will not touch John McCain with a broom because of Sara Palin, they admit to me but they don't say to their republican buddies , this crazy bimbo has really cost him this election, shame what a pretty face does to an old man everytime
http://www.barackobamacans.blogspot.com/
I'm going to go just a bit off the topic here, and just say how much it gladdens my heart to know that McCain's first pick for VP was Lieberman and that he got shot down for a brain-dead, seccessionist Moosegirl.
Poor ol' Holy Joe, all that quality sucking up to the GOP for nothing. Makes me tingly! Also, makes me feel the bucks I donated to Ned Lamont was not in vain. Lieberman will be lucky if they let him use the Senate lavatory in January.
More than her being a laughing-stock, I imagine he resents the fact that she's become the one who draws the bigger crowds among their supporters, instead of him.
Word has it that when they appear together at rallies, they come to see their hockey-mom-hero, and lots of folks get up and head for the parking lot when it's his turn to speak. That must be depressing for him.
She may be a big laughing stock among thinking people, but she has become the big draw among their core. Plus, she has gotten bold enough to contradict his stated policies openly once or twice.
He sees that, and realizes she's gunning for 2012... or if they squeak it out this time, she'll be on death watch, waiting to take over. I think he's clued into the fact that he just looks like a stepping stone to her now.
Well, Chuckie "you can tell they know that they're losing" Todd, here's the problem with your latest assessment:
If you're going by the state-by-state electoral map polls, those are the most historically inaccurate of all.
For example, here is what those kinds of polls were telling us on Nov. 1, 2004.
Nov. 1, 2004: Kerry_298, Bush_231 (with 270 needed to win)
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Ma...
On the other hand, the vast majority of the national polls were very accurate to the final result days before the election.
IBD/TIPP was the most accurate of all the national polls in 2004. Here is what IBD/TIPP's poll is showing today:
IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Eleven
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=30...
[[Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008
McCain has cut into Obama's lead for a second day and is now just 1.1 points behind. The spread was 3.7 Wednesday and 6.0 Tuesday. The Republican is making headway with middle- and working- class voters, and has surged 10 points in two days among those earning between $30,000 and $75,000. He has also gone from an 11-point deficit to a 9-point lead among Catholics.]]
And here is what the Gallup Daily Tracking Poll is showing today:
Gallup: Obama Down To +4 “Lead”, MoE+/-3
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111415/Gallup-Dail...
His “lead” continues to narrow in all three models Gallup is using in their Daily Tracking Poll. In the likely voter (traditional) model, it’s as close as 4 points with a +/-3 MoE.
In those polls, Obama is "leading" McCain by 1.1 points and by 4 points where the margin of error is +/-3.
I know you're desperate to justify the results in your network's latest poll, but it ain't over yet, Chuckie.
I do agree with you to a point, however the data shows that of the votes to win 139 were weak Kerry and only 90 strong Kerry, that is reversed in a big way this time with Obama at 260 strong and 39 weak, so lets assume McCain wins all the weaks and the barelies, he'll need to also win ALL the ties and poach some weak Obama ones. All Obama needs is to keep the strong and win one or 2 leaning and he's President. Also if you look, Bush tightens up on the 2nd and 3rd actually reflects Bush as having the lead. The polls always showed both candidates really close with a slight edge to Kerry until the election, these polls now are not reflecting that, instead, they are now showing on this map at least, a much larger lead than in 2004 or 2000.
So yah McCain is feeling the way you do when your favorite team goes into the 4th quarter down by a zillion points. He has maybe one chance to pull it out of the fire and it involves losing Palin and firing his entire staff 3 days before the election.
St. McCain can sense that Palin is only with him for what he can do for her -- that she shares his worldview only so far as it will get her into the White House.
Palin is an immoral opportunist who, IMO, is playing for 2012 or 2016 whereas St. McCain is still shooting for 2008.
I wanted to add that St. McCain also has figured out (finally!) that Palin is a moron.
For instance, did anyone see her answer to Williams' question about the Colin Powell endorsement? She started off by saying that McCain has the endorsement of four former secretaries of state and a bunch of former military officers. Then, about a freakin' minute later, she ended her non-answer with something about how McCain is going to save the economy and create jobs! Caribou Barbie can't stay on message and it's embarrasing!
I'm a little late to the party here, but... Having just watched the whole piece, I didn't hear Chuck Todd refer to Jane Mayer's New Yorker article (though I might have missed it).
The article he does refer to, toward the end of the video, is the one that's going to appear in this Sunday's NYT Magazine, "The Making (and Remaking) of McCain," by Robert Draper. It's a pretty devastating report on how truly erratic, to use the new buzzword, McCain and his handlers have been.
Here 'tis: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/magazine/26...
OK, the time has come. Flush them already.
"The polls (in 2004) always showed both candidates really close with a slight edge to Kerry until the election..."
Not really. From September 1st on, the national polls rarely showed Kerry with a lead over Bush:
http://pollingreport2.com/wh2004a.htm
On the other hand, the state-by-state electoral map polls (as you can see on the electoral-vote.com link in my earlier post) often had Kerry leading Bush by sizeable margins right up until a four days before the election.
The big difference between an Obama lead in the national polls today and a Bush lead in 2004 is the very real evidence of The Bradley Effect in the primaries for Obama.
Despite the claims that there was little evidence of The Bradley Effect in most of the individual state polls, there was plenty of evidence of it in the national polls; Obama regularly led Clinton in the national polls by 6-10 points or more going all the way back to February (although she regularly outperformed him vs McCain). However, there was NEVER a time when he led her in actual votes by more than maybe 0.4%.
Obama was still leading Clinton by 10 points or more in the polls when the final vote count showed Clinton with almost 300,000 more votes than he had. Obama only eked out a "lead" in votes if you added imaginary or estimated caucus state votes that were never cast. And even then he only eked out that 0.4% lead.
Where in the votes was the 6-10 or more point lead he regularly had in the polls? Apparently it disappeared into The Bradley Effect.
That wouldn't have been in play with Kerry vs Bush.
So, when some of the previously most accurate national polls are telling us Obama has a 1-5 point "lead" over McCain, I don't think anyone, including Chuck Todd of NBC, can say with certainty that McCain/Palin is losing, Palin or no Palin.
I think the whole republican party is one giant mistake.
It's like living in a septic tank!
Anyone who thinks that McCain has ever been in charge of his campaign might want to look at who HE wanted, and who he GOT.
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