FEMA concentration camps? The militia good times are rollin' again
By David Neiwert Tuesday Mar 17, 2009 1:00pm
David Shuster was making fun of Glenn Beck's preoccupation with militia-style right-wing conspiracy theories yesterday on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and wondering why mainstream conservatives have so much trouble standing up to and denouncing this stuff.
There's actually a reason why mainstream conservatives never stand up to the far-right elements within their own coalition: they find them very useful.
It has ever been so. Harkening back to the days when Monarchists attacked the Enlightenment's pro-democracy thinkers as a plotting cabal of elites (which is where the old Illuminati conspiracy theories originate), the wealthy and those otherwise invested in maintaining the status quo in our civilization have always found these kinds of conspiracy theories a handy way of stirring up working-class resentment against progressive reformers.
That's why they'll be gaining in popularity as long as Democrats are in power: Because mainstream conservatives need them to make their wedge politics work.
So watch Beck telling folks that he "couldn't debunk" the existence of supposed concentration camps being built by FEMA:
Funny thing about "not debunking" the FEMA camps: Beck no doubt is discovering that it's not easy to "debunk" the existence of something for which there is simply no evidence of its existence in the first place.
In reality, these claims originated back in the 1990s with the far-right "Patriot"/militia movement. I first heard about them back in 1994, when I attended this militia meeting in Maltby, Wash.:
The fellow up on the stage is a guy named Bob Fletcher, who at the time was the chief spokesman for the Militia of Montana. The map he has up on the stage with him shows what he claimed was a "United Nations reserve" being created just to the east of us, in the Northern Cascades, in which the feds were busy creating concentration camps, run by FEMA, which he assured us were being built to hold gun owners after the government rounded them all up.
Of course, no such camps existed. When I tried to get Fletcher or other MOM officials to help me pinpoint their exact location so I could go check them out, they never were able to get back to me on that.
I described these characters in my first book, In God's Country: The Patriot Movement and the Pacific Northwest,:
Fletcher is a self-described ``congressional researcher’’ who came to work for the Militia of Montana in the fall of 1994. Within a short span of time, Fletcher became the prime speaker at MOM events, delivering the militia message with a little more deftness than the often-erratic [John] Trochmann [the founder of the Militia of Montana].
For the better part of the next year, especially during the uproar that followed Oklahoma City, Fletcher was the point man for the militia movement. When there was a televised Town Hall meeting on the militias in Seattle, Fletcher -- backed by an audience stacked with Patriots -- was the spokesman. When informal congressional hearings were held on the militias, Fletcher and Trochmann sat together and answered questions.
... Fletcher also ran the militia meetings very smoothly. He was adept at saying things that were simultaneously pessimistic and empowering:
``My personal feeling is that it's too late to stop this,'' he would tell crowds. As for surviving, he’d say, ``I recommend a year's worth of food and plenty of ammo.''
John Trochmann either originated or became the chief promoter of many of these conspiracy theories:
The New World Order, he says, is a shadowy one-world-government group that conspires to put an end to the U.S. Constitution by subsuming it under the "Communist" United Nations. Conspirators include the President, the Speaker of the House, and most financial and political leaders around the world.
The new world government Trochmann envisions would be a population-controlling totalitarian regime. Guns will be confiscated. Urban gangs like the Bloods and the Crips will be deployed to conduct house-to-house searches and round up resisters. Thousands of citizens will be shipped off to concentration camps and liquidated, all in the name of reducing the population.
... Trochmann told me that Ruby Ridge and Waco were mere harbingers, test runs for what they intended to start doing to average citizens. Street-gang members from the Bloods and Crips, he said, were being trained in Spokane right then for house-to-house-search-and-seizure techniques. When the big crackdown came, they’d round people up, ship them off to concentration camps (which he said were already being built), and then ``liquidate’’ them until the population was stabilized.
The pretext, he said, would be ``most likely a food shortage.’’ And they would start with urban dwellers.
``Look at the cities,’’ he said. ``Look at them. They're totally captive. Somebody supplies their heat, somebody supplies their light, their transportation, their water, their communications, food. Look how vulnerable they are. They'll obey to the letter, or they'll die, because they're not ready for what's going to happen.’’
From there, the theories filtered out to a variety of like-minded "Patriots" who then held their own militia meetings. Locally, it was a Monroe, WA, landscape contractor named Don Kehoe:
[Kehoe] suggests that ecosystem-management efforts, like the international plan proposed by local environmental groups for the North Cascades extending into Canada, are part of a government plan to drive people out of those areas altogether. The New World Order, Kehoe says, plans to install concentration camps in the Cascades to house and liquidate the masses needed to implement population control.
The flyer below was a popular handout at MOM meetings:
While its "documentation" books included such entries as the one below:
Now, only a couple of years back, progressives had a similar wave of paranoia hit them about concentration camps being built in the heartland by the Bush Administration. It didn't go very far, because it quickly became clear that there was no there there. No one was actually building any new camps; all that had happened was that a Halliburton subsidiary had been given a contract to build them in the event of an emergency, but the contracts had never been activated.
But the list of camps being touted by Glenn Beck's friends is identical to the list I examined in 2006, and here's what I reported then:
The [FEMA] concentration-camp claims have continued to enjoy a kind of half-life as well. You can still find them on the Web at sites like this one, which offers the standard number of "over 800 camps" that we now see floating around the current claims.
Note some of the camp descriptions:
IDAHO
Minidoka/Jerome Counties - WWII Japanese-American internment facility possibly under renovation. Clearwater National Forest - Near Lolo Pass - Just miles from the Montana state line near Moose Creek, this unmanned facility is reported to have a nearby airfield. Wilderness areas - Possible location. No data.
[The renovations at the Minidoka camp are strictly for purposes of making it into a national monument in commemoration of the internment. The Lolo Pass facility is a Forest Service work camp. As for the wilderness area sites, well ...]
MONTANA
Malmstrom AFB - UN aircraft groups stationed here, and possibly a detention facility.
[There is no detention facility at Malmstrom.]
WASHINGTON
Seattle/Tacoma - SeaTac Airport: fully operational federal transfer center
Okanogan County - Borders Canada and is a site for a massive concentration camp capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people for slave labor. This is probably one of the locations that will be used to hold hard core patriots who will be held captive for the rest of their lives.
Sand Point Naval Station - Seattle - FEMA detention center used actively during the 1999 WTO protests to classify prisoners.
Ft. Lewis / McChord AFB - near Tacoma - This is one of several sites that may be used to ship prisoners overseas for slave labor.
[The three known facilities listed here all have legitimate purposes as part of the law enforcement or military systems. But the "concentration camp" in Okanogan County is entirely fanciful and does not exist. Nor is there any known project to hold or transport people for slave labor.]
Anyway, you get the idea. None of the so-called detention centers were designed or constructed for that purpose. Certainly there was never any publicly acknowledged program to build them during the Clinton years.
As Jeffrey Feldman observes, the idea of FEMA being involved in concentration camps came gurgling up into popular media through X-Files scripts:
Rumors that FEMA has set up 'concentration camps' as part of a plot to take over America and the world flourished after the X-Files film, died down, and then resurfaced as the video site YouTube became more popular in 2006.
One video expounding on the X-Files theory of FEMA concentration camps, which was posted to YouTube in mid-2006, has been watched almost one million times. The theory Glenn Beck is pushing is a version of the X-Files plot adapted to support Beck's argument against the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act passed recently by the Obama administration.
And now, thanks to Glenn Beck, they're receiving mainstream media play by Fox News people who say they "can't debunk" their existence.
How much longer before Beck just organizes his own militia group? Is that what the "912 Movement" is going to evolve into? Stay tuned ...
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Yup, this is very true. The Richard Mellon Scaifes of the world fund these nutcases with their bizarre conspiracies about weather machines and UN invasions mostly to foment unrest and opposition to Democratic administrations. I suspect some of these guys actually believe it too, but most of them realize that the guys actually proposing these nutcases theories are just useful idiots.
And the GOP does it's part, too. Let's not forget that congressional hearings were held in the 1990s in which the "black helicopter" crowd was invited to address congress. It backfired, once people got a chance to see how crazy these dudes were, but the fact that the GOP was willing to provide them a forum for their crazy ideas shows the extent to which the GOP found them useful.
Beck personally knows a head of state ???
Ya, and I'm the childhood friend of the Queen of England
System and method for irradiation of planet surface areas, Aurthur G. Buckingham, U.S. Patent 3,564,253
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?pat...
Process for weather control, H. M. Brandau, U.S. Patent 2,756,097
Weather control by artificial means, Heinz W. Kasemir, U.S. Patent 3,284,005
Cloud formation and subsequent moisture precipitation, U.S. Patent 3,409,220
System and method for irradiation of planet surface areas, Aurthur G. Buckingham, U.S. Patent 3,564,253
Weather modification method, Knollenberg, U.S. Patent 3,613,992
Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process, Consiglio Nazionale delle Richerche, U.S. Patent 3,630,950
Method and apparatus for altering a region in the Earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere, J. Eastlund, U.S. Patent 4,686,605
Method and composition for precipitation of atmospheric water, Slavko Mentus, U.S. Patent 5,360,162
Use of artificial satellites in earth orbits adaptively to modify the effect that solar radiation would otherwise have on earth's weather, Franklin Y. K. Chen, U.S. Patent 5,762,298
Weather modification by artificial satellites, Franklin Y. K. Chen, U.S. Patent 5,984,239
Reissue
Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process, Consiglio Nazionale delle Richerche, U.S. Patent RE29,142
leave your clapped out Chevy running and you can do weather modification. What on earth is your point?
and change the jet stream that's weather controll
Minutely. And who, pray tell, has this awesome ability?
Look up those patent numbers and read about them you'll be surprised what they can do from space
Or go here scroll to bottom there is a link to each U.S. Patent to comtroll the weather
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_control
I wouldn't. A large solar reflector covering several hundred square miles (as proposed) might just do the trick. It would be a little difficult to miss however. In earth orbit it would look about the size of the moon. Just because someone has a patent on something doesn't mean it exists. I'll keep an eye out though.
evidently you didn't read anything
you don't understand basic physics. A mirror hundreds of feet in diameter could not possibly reflect enough energy to alter the weather except on a similar scale.
From what I heard of asbestos in the FEMA camp, they answer the question, "Is our children learning?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4
sorry - wrong. The ones I linked to however are prison facilities, and obviously so.
Funny thing is, I just can't seem to debunk that wacked out weirdo on Faux News named Beck. I wouldn't think such an odd creature could exist, but it does. It really blows my mind.
Me and Beck are in the same boat when it comes to debunking. I was just looking into whether or not he has group sex with sheep, and could not fine ONE piece of information that led me to believe it doesn't happen.
Now, he could comment on this and say that he doesn't do it, but he needs to prove it to me at this point in a way that involves more than just words.
I thought it was with goats.
basically sheep with horns?
horny sheep. That's why Beck has group sex with them because he's a horny goat.
and also the horns come in handy for Beck to grasp on to them...
WWWhhhaaaaaaaaa...........LOL.....Rolling on floor again....
Beck is SUCH an idiot, as is Blakeman...Do they stay up nights just thinking up this stuff to make themselves fell good? Or is it more sinister..
Since Beck's first detention camp for his 912 movement is going to be on Chuck Norris's ranch in texas, when we give texas back to mexico then all is fine!!
Will Beck have weeping dolls in the stores for chirstmas??
Give Texas back to Mexico, and then Norris can use all of those guns he has on his ranch to shoot up all the drug dealers. That's how we can solve that problem!
he'll wear it like a cheap suit.
because if he did it would be very, very bad for business.
is the organizer of this whole project? I feel safer already. I think we all know about FEMA's organizational abilities.
I'm sure they're doing a heckofa job!
It is actually impossible to prove the non-existence of anything. Proof of existence is only possible by example.
With the absolute stupidity and stomach churning hatred of these moronic, sick Reslugs, who in Hell would want to admit to being a uncaring, bigoted, dick-head liar, in the Reslug party.
You sure got that right! And did anyone else out there notice that unflattering photo of a very angry-looking Obama? Looks like conservatives are trying to use "angry black man" images to scare Americans.
and show me where they are. Latitude and longitude. That's all we need.
you were better informed miss_kitty. They're very easy to find. They all have a big Walmart sign on the front. On the plus side, they always release you in the morning when the cleaning is done.
You just slayed me.
Google Image of FEMA camps:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2619829/FEMA-Camps-...
I drove by one of these locales recently and I can tell you, that camp wasn't quite ready for business.
Yep, this is from the same list of 800 camps. I've been to several of these. The Lolo Pass camp, for example, is a Forest Service summer work camp, not a fricking concentration camp. The Minidoka site in southern Idaho is a national monument, for crying out loud. I'll wager that if you go to each one of these "concentration camps" you'll find they're nothing of the sort.
I wondered if they were intended as Refugee Camps of some sort: Hurricane Victims. floods, fires and so on. It seemed unlikely with the Bush/Cheney Cabal. They're unable to plan ahead, and don't want to plan ahead anyway.
at what you can do with photo shop. The random distribution of these "camps" which bear no relation to population density in the US is testimony yet again for FEMA's incompetence.
Are Minnesotans not worth imprisoning !?
Norm Coleman and Michelle Bachmann!
...for you and me to live in!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JaMBEIM0kM
Actually, I wouldn't put anything past the Bush Administration with Cheney's death squads, the black ops rendition sites, and the "suiciding" of people who could be problematic in outing the charades of the right wing - like the DC madame for starters, then the IT guy who blew the whistle on how the RNC along with Kenneth Blackwell, rigged the 2004 election and then ended up in his private plane, Dead.
However, this appears to be the final piece of evidence for the diagnosis of "paranoid schizophrenia" for Glenn Beck, I'm afraid. I'm sure he sees Blackwater ops slithering around his bushes at night, too. Next it will be martians!
really are attempting to instigate violence, aren't they? They are constantly escalating their promoting the type of rage that leads to riots, assassinations, pogroms and worse.
Isn't there a limit on this kind of "free speech"?
Mr. Neiwert, do you know if the FBI has hired more agents?
They have, but most of them are currently preoccupied with financial fraud cases. Domestic terrorism is a medium-level priority right now.
Which from my understanding, is illegal.
When anyone is going to stop them, who knows?
Amazing to me that a minor league Fr Conklin wannabe gets such gravitas, even if it's Fox gravitas. This guy isn't qualified to sell pots and pans on QVC. I think he's unraveling, as in "Network" unraveling.
Wait, what?
No one should be worried when Haliburton gets a contract to build concentration camps "in case of emergency"? It's ok, they weren't built?
The fact that there were contracts drawn up and people shaking hands over this is alarming in itself.
This is weird.
Yes, though the details, from Government Executive, are fairly mundane:
Really, I'd love to hear Glenn's thoughts on Reagan's Rex-84 or Night Train-84 programs: programs that have been proved to exist, that actually DID incorporate FEMA camps for suspected dissenters (though not the kind Beck is talking about).
Glenn Beck is such a damn clown.
Yeah, those were Reagan's ideas. He came up with that. It took a lot of convincing, but the CIA finally caved in.
Gladys tried to warn us (too subtly) as early as 1973.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v78-ftcqpNw
Proving a negative can be a bitch.
At one time, weren't there comments on this site about places/camps being built around the country and the story was the govt was going to round up everyone who disliked bush or disagreed with the war or just liberals in general? Maybe my memory is failing me, but I sure do seem to recall such comments.
Don't even try to watch tonight's beck show. He is saying the AIG bonuses are no big deal and he can "prove" it.
I don't doubt There were son "facilities" ready to be use to Hold dissenters by the Bush admin, the NEOCONS and PNACERS.(By the way it could only be Baseball Stadiums)
As GORE VIDAL says 9-11 was a coup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGgiHyEGrV8&fe...
They didn't EXPECTED to lose the 2008 Elections since they had so easily stole 2000 and 2004.
OBAMA has to come clear on this topic and erase any doubt. But you can bet Cheney had something to do with it.
He's the real deal.
Pissed-off Patricia writes: "At one time, weren't there comments on this site about places/camps being built around the country and the story was the govt was going to round up everyone who disliked bush or disagreed with the war or just liberals in general? Maybe my memory is failing me, but I sure do seem to recall such comments."
Yes, and I think around the same time we learned that the 3rd Infantry's 1st Brigade Combat Team (BCT) was being reassigned to domestic duties:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_ho...
Army Times, Sept. 2008: "Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.
"It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.
But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.
"After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one."
The combination of the KBR detention camp contracts plus deploying the Army possibly in violation of posse comitatus was plenty of cause for alarm, given the Bush administration's ongoing invasions of civil liberties.
Like truthers and birthers.
Next thing you know, some damn fool will be telling us the government's version of 9-11 is a pack of lies.
Conspiracy theorists
vs
Coincidence theorists
Ask any experienced police-type investigator.
to realize that they weren’t coincidences at all?
Einstein planned to be born on March 14. Pi day. He was very devious that way.
and not a very good one at that! But they do happen, but some times you have to bet with the odds!
http://xkcd.com/552/
The only two men to sign the declaration of independence and later become presidents were Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, and both died on the same day July 4, 1826, the fiftieth anniversary of the country!
Now that is one coincidence!
when they saw one, one fired to the right of the rabbit and the other fired to the left of the rabbit and they looked at each other and exclaimed “we got him”!
ot veterans get ready your health cares getting rdy to be outsoursed!
it has NO support from either the Dems or the repugs...it was truly a bad idea from the WH...
Then kindly explain to me WTF this is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NsGZ2XZRMU
and this is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mf4z2Xyok8
and this scene where people were rousted out form property they were never told they could not be in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mqYvlhJbBc
splain that.
what the letters Ft mean don't you? As in "fort". As in military base.
Clearly identify that as FCI( Federal Correctional Institution) Sheridan.
It's a Federal penitentiary. You know, a place where they send people who have been convicted of felonies.
Join the fun. It's delusional paranoid night.
Since when does a military base pro forma permit or excuse obvious detention camps?
I thought those things were called "buildings".
Where they send guys who get caught for going AWOL.
The lady who filmed that little trip through the FEMA camp is one lousy director of photography!!
Geez!
I nearly got nauseated watching the production quality.
And the narration sucked too.
As to what is actually going on there, why not just drive up to the main office like Michael Moore with a good quality film camera and a crew and ask them for a fucking TOUR!!!
The only statement they'd get from the warden is that it's a medium security Federal prison, and they'd have to edit that out.
Are you kidding?
is though, although Beck can't "debunk" these camps, he can debunk Global Warming and Evolution by bringing on hacks to back up his beliefs. Also, I found an audio clip and if Glenn Beck cannot debunk the FEMA camps, then someone should tell Alex Jones, because he seems to think that Glenn did and it made him mad. It's at 18:40 - 21:30 in the audio, here.
There's supposed to be one of these camps not to far from where I live. An old Amtrak station in Indianapolis that had fencing put up around it. Prisoners are going to shipped in on trains supposedly. It looks like an old building that is fenced off for liability reasons to me. I actually think that people still work there.
...if I was you. Read up on Chile in 1973.
Or be scared of the local malls. Or Any building in your area. Or any area in your area. Or in my area. Or on the globe. Anywhere you can put up razorwire. The world is a potential prison camp. Be very worried. Or don't.
a little. Did they put the people in stadiums or something though?
In Santiago, in the big national stadium.
My point is, any place can be turned into a prison/detention/concentration camp. I'm not trying to ramp up the paranoia here, I'm pointing out that you can imagine anything anywhere.
I agree with you. I'm just saying that the facility in Indy, or actually Beech Grove, is claimed to be a camp just because fencing was put up around it.
Another thing is that Glenn Beck initially called the Camp believers loons or something like that, then he must have realized that it would play into his whole fear theme, so then he said that he couldn't debunk them. I can drive to Beech Grove right now and debunk that one. Maybe in the future it could possibly be used as one, but like you said anything can. The point is, it's not right now.
There are good reasons to have it fenced off. There is rolling stock in there that can hurt someone. That stock is made of metal which can be stripped to be sold for scrap.
Any property in your neighborhood fenced in? Is "prison" the first thing you think when you pass a fenced in property?
I didn't say that I though is was a prison. I said that;
and down farther I said that;
I don't think that it's a prison. I don't think that there are FEMA prisons period. Just like you, I came to the conclusion that the property was fenced in for liability reasons.
So where do you come up with;
Friends? :D
no problem. The rolling stock you brought up was a good point, because in Indiana people stealing goods like metal and wiring for scrap metal has been a pretty big deal lately. I assume that it's that way everywhere now, but it's been on the local news a lot here lately. I was thinking about someone getting injured on the property, but theft is probably more like it.
Innocent citizens taken away and put in camps. Preposterous. /snark
Government turning against its people?
All we the people have to do is support the crooks in government. All will be fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Core
about their grandparents and what happened during WW2.
Something tells me Beck isn't the least bit bothered by Guantanamo and what went/goes on there.
ROTFLMAO!!
That's the part that seems most ludicrous to me as well. As if.
Large groups of (chiefly, at this point) blacks, driving up to Idaho, Eastern Washington, etc, unseen, rolling into redneck trailer parks and white supremacist compounds, and shoving whole groups of them into blinged out Escalades. Then go back to the 'hood where they'll await Federal paychecks. Yeah, that'll happen...
(Sorry if the stereotypes were a little over the top...)
I've previously suggested that Glenn Beck direct a remake of Red Dawn with the Ruskies replaced by U.N. troops led by gestapo-like Bloods and Crips.
and I'll make the damn film!
gotta have zombies in it to be believable.
Glenn Beck is an whiney idiot, but in this case he's almost right! Under the auspices of an executive order having to do with the continuity of government back in 1984, over 200 "Internment Camps" are in a constant state of readiness under contracts to Kellogg,Brown & Root to the tune of over $400 million dollars just last year alone. Google "REX 84" (Readiness Exercise 1984). The camps are remenisent of concentration camps, situated along railroad tracks, barbed wire fences, watchtowers, etc. Their uses have been explained as in case of mass imigration problems, another internment of suspect races of people during war, or just containment of unruly citizens during times of civil unrest, or pandemic. Pretty well known stuff, if you remember during the Iran/Contra hearings when Oliver North was interupted by the senator from Hawaii regarding that very subject and its then classified sensitivity. Beck is a nut job, however this is a commonly known fact!
It won't happen here in the USA.
We are sheep.
We are compliant.
If a government official says, "Go that way."
I will go that way.
I have been programmed to do that.
Sorry to hear about your programming & hope you recover someday.
You want to introduce proof, introduce. Don't just talk about introducing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug0IL7k3elQ#t=0m49s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_of_Op...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REX-84
Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, is a plan by the United States federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens in case of civil unrest or national emergency.
Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen regularly.[5] Plans for roundups of large numbers of persons in the United States in times of crisis are constructed during periods of increased political repression such as the Palmer Raids and the McCarthy Era.
For example, from 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of over 100,000 persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list. This list contained many labor leaders, scholars, and public figures of the time.
In 2008, for the first time an active military unit has been given a dedicated assignment stateside for civil unrest containment. It is assigned to Northcom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.
What's the source material? Where are the documents?
That REX 84 video was made in the late '80's/early '90's and just shows the question being quashed- because it probably wasn't relevant to the Iran/Contra hearings.
The REX 84 Wikipedia article relies heavily on a book published 19 years ago, and it doesn't give you the author's sources. And it's Wikipedia, for chrissakes. I can go in there and add anything I'd like to add.
Sure, let me link you to those classified documents right now.
Why don't you file a FOIA?
Shya.
Look, I don't think there are FEMA concentration camps. I just know (because of this blog post) that there are contracts out there to build them.
Couple that with Main Core, Rex 84, PDD 51, Northcom, and other things that are right out in the open and it looks like there is a mechanism in place to round up masses of people.
There's one that's linked, and that link's to an outline of the book.
And think about this: It's REX 84- Readiness Exercise 1984. From your Wikipedia link:
Why aren't you talking about REX 85-08? Don't you think things might have changed in 25 years?
Lastly, also from the article YOU chose to link:
There was a Rex 82 and a Rex 84. Then there were articles about it in the newspaper. Then we never heard about it again.
its beggining to look a lot like christmass ........1942 they dont put american citizens in consintration camps do they? japanese americans citizenship suspended and interned for the duration!
You are a good guy.
Keep it up.
thnx they all suck!i will try!
would never lie to us or even keep anything from us, would they?
Don't even think such a thing.
You must be obedient.
that people don't get?
"The Hive Mentality?"
moo
...happened to people like us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reCpV1YHuYs&eu...
even MTV is warning us!
Never once have I not seen Glen not having intimate relations with things he should not be having intimate relations with. obviously he's hiding something. what more proof do I not need?
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0814-05.htm
Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.
Ashcroft's plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.
The FEMA camps theories always sounded far fetched and badly backed up. So they don't exist, and may Halliburton never build'em.
However, after reading a few silly comments here, I want to say this:
For all we know. Beck could be thrust on us to be the fool he is and to discredit all the conspiracy theories except the theories being pushed by the establishment, right?
Would that mean that authoritarian follower drones who turned "progressive" during the past year (they always suck up to the power of the moment) would be lead to believe that there is nothing to investigate in the Bush years? Are all the "conspiracy theories" now discredited since an idiot like Beck is going though the entire list, including the most silly and debunked?
But you might say that the Neoconservative and Neoliberal parts of the establishment,...
-you know, the ones who attempted to nullify the American Constitution, start unlawful wars of agression, illegally wiretap citizens, run despotic assasination rings, suspend Habeas Corpush, hold prisoners indefinitely without any trial, torture and send prisoners to barbaric prisons in other countries, give mercenaries free reigns to act outside of any law in Iraq, politicize the Justice Department, purposeley channel the riches of the USA and its people into private multinational/foreign pockets and generally actively fighting against democracy and enlightenment at every turn,
...would never think of covering all the dirty tracks with useful idiots like Glenn here, and helping to kill off what might otherwise have become serious movements for truth and anti-authoritarianism.
I think the attitudes towards everything around 9/11 is the biggest case of doublethink I've ever seen. If people knew themselves, and noticed their own tensioned reaction to discussions about it, they would realize that their instincts are triggering some kind of response. That might even lead them to think why that might be. Why must there be no discussion, and why must one immediately cast judgement on and ignore anyone who have concerns?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink
US FEMA Camps & Executive orders.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?contex...
Find the exit.
Buy weapons, food, and water.
Learn how to use the weapons.
training crips and bloods to go house to house and confiscate firearms and arrest people seriously is probably the funniest thing I've read in a long time.
That's the type of shit that would make a schizophrenic on the street screaming at walls stand up and call bullshit.
What else would you expect from these loons?
It's good to see the black helicopters flying back into town, too. They've been circling around the border of the country in eternal flight since the day Clinton left office... waiting for a Democrat to get elected again.
and we all know how thugs like to project their own crimes onto dems (hitler crap) keepin em busy the last 8 years.
We know bush trashed the constitution, removed virtually ALL of our citizen protections, imprisoned thousands and tortured more without representation while the crab-like cheney spent those years in an "undisclosed location", shut down military bases all over the u.s. which now stand empty.
Oh yeah. How about all those journalists thugged around and homes/computers seized and bodily transgressed during the republican convention?
WWII u.s. detention camps destroyed the lives of japanese, and we've done it before.
We've staged many a false flag coup and Gore Vidal too perceived a helluva lot more than that.
Let's not even mention how the economy stands and why.
So even tho beck is a putz, what did we THINK the bush cabal had in mind for us? Beck's Bogus paranoid detention camp ravings aside, someone suggest to me given the above evidence that such imprisonments weren't intended for US. Everything BUT that? I think nope.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/white-h...
Alright, I am sold Glenn Beck wants weed legalized, he has to be a good guy. Most are for it, it's just the corporate masters afraid of losing their right to take our stuff, jail us and all the federal funding. So much more to legalizing it would take days to explain.
I think the events of 11/4/08 and the recession/depression has hit him hard, his world is falling down around him, so no surprise he falls prey to the loony right.
This is what happened to Germany in the late 20s early 30s, along came a savior to rescue the poor confused Becks.
of objectivity could I just point out that the US military has only the most tenuous control of Iraq, a much smaller area than the US with a lot less guns floating around. Can anyone seriously believe that it would be possible for them to control the entire population of the US? Who else could even try? Of all the things I could imagine to worry about this one is about the lowest. It ranks lower than a large asteroid impact.
they would begin with the million plus U.S. citizens on their terrorist watch list.
We actually went in there, intentionally made a mess of it, just so that the American public would not fear the ability of the US Military to control civilian populations.
You're playing right into their plan!!!!
Why don't we ask Obama if he's going to close the prison camps?
Official Army Document
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf
Summary . This regulation provides guidance for establishing and managing civilian inmate labor programs on Army installations. It provides guidance on establishing prison camps on Army installations.
It addresses record keeping and reporting incidents related to the Civilian Inmate Labor Program and/or prison camp administration.
http://markcrispinmiller.com/2009/02/they-see...
They are only contingency plans for mass housing - possibly including detentions - whether for an "immigration event" or otherwise. What you have is federal property with fences, a few support buildings and power and water. In an emergency they can be quickly outfitted as tent cities or trailer parks - such as those put up during the post Katrina fiasco. Frankly I'd like to see an audit for what KBR has done with the money.
What is particularly hilarious is that Beck is using a dubious Bush initiative to scare people about Obama.
The federal government is claiming it has a right to remove you from your wife and children to be sent to different work camps.
You know in case of a national emergency. Nothing to worry about though. It about serving our new masters.
Wake up brother, our so-called leaders do not serve the American people anymore. Follow the money... That's who they serve.
right the fug on!
Glen Beck is a RETARD.
But of course, nobody tell him that Socialism and Totalitarianism are polar opposites. It might give him pause to (not think; did you think I would suggest such a thing? naw!) pause to ask someone what he should say.
Like I said.
He's a retard.
SHORELINE FLOODING.
If the polar ice caps continue to melt, a lot of cities will sink beneath the waves. These folks will obviously need housing. Is that the plan? Move them inland to re build and re populate the heartland with better kinds of folks?
depends on whats ment by,better kinds of folks!
that the folks living in the heartland don't have the TV or radio or newspapers that the rest of the nation have. They don't even have hookup to the internet, except what they can get via phone modem at 28K. Also there are very few rural providers they can even afford. Seems the rural "entrepreneurs" all snapped up the options and set up their fiefdoms decades ago.
So the good folk of the heartland have been left to languish in a world without information. The folks from the shoreline can bring the 21st century to the heartland and lift them from the fate of fiefdom that they currently see as their future.
the main thing they can bring is thier dogs and cats and lots of treats for the little guys!
Lou Dobbs actually just had on some goober I've never heard of spewing about a "left-wing conspiracy", because apparently, Liberal reporters have been talking to each other online about news stories.
[Horror!!!]
But the FACT that the Bush White House literally wrote the daily talking points for everyone in Rightwing media for the last 8 years? That's not even worthy of mention. Nope, nothing unusual about a Memo from the White House about what to say going out to Roger Ailes at Fox, who then distributed what to say to all their combined news outlets in television and print, not to mention that same spewage being filtered out to the 2,400+ right wing radio stations across the country spouting vitriol 24/7/365. Nope, that's not "suspicious" in the least. And we won't even begin to touch the "fine work" of the Rightwing "think" tanks, or wealthy bankrolling from the likes of a Richard Mellon Scaife....
But let a couple of Liberal reporters share info they've dug up, and HOLY CRAP! That's a damned Illuminati/Commie/Atheist/Clearly Gay PLOT!!!!
Do these corporate asshats like Dobbs even HEAR themselves??? Do they know how effin' RETARDED they sound?
Seriously, Lou, hyperbolic much?
like the right wing and throw our brains into a bass-0-matic hit liquify and chug it.
just like the fema camps this must also be a lie or a controlled conspiracy as germany admits to chemtrails
http://www.blinkx.com/video/germany-becomes-o...
Beck won't be able to debunk this either I'm sure
There are FEMA Camps - facilities set aside in case of an "immigration emergency" (whatever the hell that is), but if Glenn Beck is so damned concerned about them, where was he when the Bush Administration was out BUILDING THEM?
Or when Bush was out creating signing statements that could conceivably have allowed him to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution? Not to mention when the Repukes were writing Section 333 -- the provision in the odious Military Commissions Act -- which states that "the President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to restore public order, commandeering guardsmen from any state, over the objections of local governmental, military and local police entities; to ship them off to another state; conscript them in a law enforcement mode; and set them loose against "disorderly" citizenry -- such as protesters engaged in otherwise previously Constitutionally protected civili disobedience, or those who object to forced vaccinations and quarantines in the event of a bio-terror event. The law also facilitated militarized police round-ups and detention of protesters, so called "illegal aliens," "potential terrorists" and other "undesirables" for detention in facilities constructed by... wait for it.... Halliburton! Where were you back then, Glenn?
Or Public Law 109-364, which was the Bush Administration's de-facto repeal of the Posse Comitatus Act (PCA)? How about that Glenn?
Or for that matter, where was the Beckster, way back when Oliver North was helping the Reagan Administration craft Rex-84 as a part of his proposal to alter the Continuity of Government (COG) in the 1980's?
Sources:
New America Media, January 31, 2006
Title: “Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps”
Author: Peter Dale Scott
New America Media, February 21, 2006
Title: “10-Year US Strategic Plan for Detention Camps Revives Proposals from Oliver North”
Author: Peter Dale Scott
Consortiium, February 21, 2006
Title: “Bush's Mysterious ‘New Programs’”
Author: Nat Parry
Buzzflash
Title: “Detention Camp Jitters”
Author: Maureen Farrell
Neither has the Democratic party. Both parties are collaborators and responsible for the current state of affairs.
It's time to face the facts. The new boss is the same as the old boss. He bombed Pakistan in his first 3 days, killing innocent children without a declaration of war. His lawyers claim Guantanamo Bay prisoners have no Constitutional rights. What's the difference between Bush and Obama? absolutely nothing. Let;s not forget Obama voted for the Patriot Act, a vile peace of legislation that infringes on the rights of American citizens.
UPDATED: Although I know both parties are corrupted to the core with globalist and corporatist. There are some who bravely stand up in the name of truth and justice. They stand up in the face of tyranny. I have tremendous respect for people with the character and honor of representatives Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul, Robert Wexsler, Karen Johnson, former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, Former Gov. Jesse Ventura.
Until our Congress is filled with people willing to restore the Constitution we will not be a free nation. We will continue to slide into fascism and the dissolution of our Republic.
this can all be explained by the intelligent ones!
Bush with OBAMA?
You say:
"The new boss is the same as the old boss"
We really hope OBAMA retore the Constitution under pressure by the Anti- War and pro - Constitution Americans.
Did you forget that 9-11 put the whole world to BUSH'S knees and those few who resented were sent a little prescription of Anthrax?
Be honest and answer this:
Weren't you afraid of the RED, ORANGE and MORE RED Alert fearmongering NEOCON propaganda the country was at that time?
see i told ya!
Trust me. I grew up in a neighborhood near the Los Angeles harbor where violence was a normal part of daily life.
As an informed citizen I recognize when the government is using conditioning and psychological operations as a method of disseminating propaganda. I also believe you and I may differ on who was truly behind the attacks of 9/11. After years of considerable research I know the government version is a cover-up at best. I'll leave it at that.
What the Bush administration was doing is terrorism by definition. I call for him and those who served him to be brought to trial immediately.
Their is a tremendous amount of prima fascia evidence to convict them all. Has the Obama administration sought to investigate? No. Obama actually threatened the UK into not releasing Bush era rendition documents. Why do you think that is? Some may construe that as obstruction of justice and extortion.
It is a war crime to bomb a sovereign nation without a declaration of war. It is a crime against the people and the Constitution to unilaterally use our military to conduct acts of war without a formal declaration.
One hand washes the other. Nothing changes.
and comments http://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=1007035
About Revolution
http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.php/editoria...
I’m confused; is this the thread about, Jon Stewart being talked about or is this the one about FEMA concentration camps, or is Beck saying Jon Stewart is building concentration camps for Rick Santelli controlled by Barney Frank. I swear stopping for a quick dinner can get one lost around here.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/16/cheney...
Nothing changes.
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