The Republican National Committee screwed up and let slip their talking points on their inevitable opposition to the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court. The Briefing Room has them. As you can see, it's pretty tepid stuff.
Most of them were in use on Fox today. But it's clear that most of the right-wing talkers are staking their opposition on a couple of video snippets -- both of which are incomplete and taken out of context.
At least, that was the upshot of the early round of brickbats thrown Sotomayor's way on Fox this morning by the likes of Karl Rove, Brian Kilmeade, and Megan Kelly. But it's been more than just Fox. As Media Matters notes, the distortions immediately made their way into mainstream cable news.
The most notorious one involves a snippet of a Sotomayor quote in which she seemed to say that Latina women make better judges than white men. But as Media Matters reports, that's a grotesque mischaracterization:
Contrary to Kelly and Greenburg's claims, Sotomayor did not say or suggest that Latina or Latino judges are "better" than white male judges, but was instead talking specifically about "race and sex discrimination cases." From Sotomayor's speech delivered at the University of California, Berkeley, School of Law and published in 2002 in the Berkeley La Raza Law Journal:
[More on Sotomayor's full quote below.]
The other talking point that seems to have Orrin Hatch's knickers in a bunch involves a remark she made about "setting policy" at the district-judgeship level. Brian Kilmeade set that one up -- even though it had already been knocked down by Napolitano himself, who understood exactly what she was talking about. Moreover, Kilmeade (and Hatch) dishonestly but conveniently ignore the fact that Sotomayor within a few sentences of having made that remark made clear she was expressing a prevailing view -- one to which she did not subscribe herself.
Again, Media Matters has the goods:
In fact, in the comments the reporters were referring to, Sotomayor was not advocating making policy from the bench, but responding to a student who asked the panel to contrast the experiences of a district court clerkship and a circuit court clerkship. Sotomayor said:
The saw is that if you're going into academia, you're going to teach, or as Judge Lucero just said, public interest law, all of the legal defense funds out there, they're looking for people with court of appeals experience, because it is -- court of appeals is where policy is made. And I know -- and I know this is on tape and I should never say that because we don't make law, I know. OK, I know. I'm not promoting it, and I'm not advocating it, I'm -- you know. OK. Having said that, the court of appeals is where, before the Supreme Court makes the final decision, the law is percolating -- its interpretation, its application. And Judge Lucero is right. I often explain to people, when you're on the district court, you're looking to do justice in the individual case. So you are looking much more to the facts of the case than you are to the application of the law because the application of the law is non-precedential, so the facts control. On the court of appeals, you are looking to how the law is developing, so that it will then be applied to a broad class of cases. And so you're always thinking about the ramifications of this ruling on the next step in the development of the law. You can make a choice and say, "I don't care about the next step," and sometimes we do. Or sometimes we say, "We'll worry about that when we get to it" -- look at what the Supreme Court just did. But the point is that that's the differences -- the practical differences in the two experiences are the district court is controlled chaos and not so controlled most of the time.
The Oxford Companion to the Supreme Court of the United States (2005) notes that federal appellate courts do in fact have a "policy making" role:
The courts of appeals have also gained prominence because of the substance of their caseload. For their first twenty five years, these courts dealt primarily with private law appeals. Diversity cases (suits between citizens of different states), bankruptcy, patent, and admiralty cases made up most of their work. However, as federal regulation increased, first during the Progressive Era, then during the New Deal, and finally during the 1960s and 1970s, the role of the courts of appeals changed as appeals from federal administrative agencies became a larger part of their caseload. Other developments that increased these courts' policy making importance were the increased scope of federal prosecutions, especially those dealing with civil rights, drugs, racketeering, and political corruption, increased private litigation over various types of discrimination; and litigation concerning aliens' attempts to gain political asylum. Also adding to their importance were their post 1954 use to oversee school desegregation and reform of state institutions such as prisons and mental hospitals, along with controversies like that over abortion.
Indeed, during the May 26 edition of MSNBC Live, NBC News chief justice correspondent Pete Williams said of Sotomayor's Duke comments: "Even some conservatives and followers of strict constructionism have said that she was only stating the obvious: that trial judges, district court judges, decide only the cases before them, and that appeals courts, because they are the above the other courts, do set policy; they do make precedent that governs the other courts. So it's either a very controversial statement or a fairly routine one, depending on your point of view."
Here's more of the remarks from Sotomayor about Latina judges:
In our private conversations, Judge Cedarbaum has pointed out to me that seminal decisions in race and sex discrimination cases have come from Supreme Courts composed exclusively of white males. I agree that this is significant but I also choose to emphasize that the people who argued those cases before the Supreme Court which changed the legal landscape ultimately were largely people of color and women. I recall that Justice Thurgood Marshall, Judge Connie Baker Motley, the first black woman appointed to the federal bench, and others of the NAACP argued Brown v. Board of Education. Similarly, Justice Ginsburg, with other women attorneys, was instrumental in advocating and convincing the Court that equality of work required equality in terms and conditions of employment.
Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.
Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.
However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see.





Fall into the trap set by the right wing...talk about race and ethnicity.
IMO the bigger issue is Sotomayor's opinions regarding the separation of church and state...they are not good.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2...
regardless of the Dem label.
I read the article you linked to, debaser, but I couldn't find anything hugely objectionable.
The one case about age discrimination is silly because the government claims the right to regulate that sort of thing all over the place, but if a church is involved, well, it's hands off. Pretty inconsistent, if you ask me. Either regulate everyone equally or butt out.
But the article talks about people having their religious beliefs (as ridiculous as they are) infringed upon and Sotomayor defending them.
I'm not getting what's so bad about that.
You are mistaking special privledges with 'rights'.
in liberal clothing warming the bench.
The Flamer case (gotta love that name) struck down a city council resolution (whatever the fuck that is, is it law?) that said you couldn't have a public display in the park if it was religious in nature. You can't single out the religious looking stuff just because it looks religious.
That's not special privileges.
I don't know the Campos case, but I'm guessing other inmates were allowed to wear crosses or yarmulkes or whatever other silly talismans they chose. If so, then that's not special privileges for the Santaria people to wear beads.
And in the Ford case, I'll bet that people of other religions were allowed to have their special days like Easter or Christmas or Passover or some other thing and that Muslims were allowed to have that day, but the one guy wanted it a little differently.
In all these cases the problem was that "you let everyone else do it, but not me."
Either tell everyone to piss off or let everyone do their religious voodoo crap.
Sotomayor did what she could under the law, which was let everyone do their voodoo crap without their particular voodoo crap being excluded.
Right, so when government tresspasses on religion it's all bad but when religion wants special consideration from government it's all good.
But you are right, either thell them all to piss off or allow them all to do their voodoo crap. Sotomayor, however, seems to want a little of both depending on which side religion is favored on.
In this respect she is no different than the religious conservatives already on the bench. Do we really want to start losing these cases 5 - 4 instead of winning them (like we do now) 5 - 4?
1st amendment, that is what it is about. "It's the kind of church-state separation opinion—protecting the church from the state, as opposed to the other way around"
'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;'
Basically they can't make a 'state religion' or ban 'bad religions'.
Spoken just like a member of the religious right. How nice that you adopt their talking points. "Respecting" in this respect (hehe)means 'in regards to' or 'making the appearance of'. If you think that the only way the government could violate the establishment clause is to establish a religion, or 'make a state religion' then you are very wrong. A hundred years of SCOTUS rulings show this. I suggest you look up the Lemon Test for starters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman
Now tell me how any of Judge Sotomayor's opinions have said anything about a government action that violates the Lemon Test?
The Flamer case was not regarding government action, it was a restriction on citizen speech.
The Hankins dissent argued that in order to determine age-discrimination, the government would need to make a ruling on the necessary requirements for a spiritual leader - reasonable people can see things different ways, so I can see how someone could argue that age is irrelevant. Sotomayor says that the government should make no establishment of guidelines for qualifications of a religious leader - if methodists want to believe a guy has to be virile to be spiritual, whatever. This is completely consistent with her ruling in Ford v. McGinnis.
If anything, I think she has demonstrated a reluctance to establish new, sophisticated precedent (like the Lemon Test for example) which is precisely what she should have been doing as a lower court judge, i.e. deferring to the SCOTUS.
If Americans United is taking a "wait and see" attitude, that's good enough for me.
Again, it's that in all her rulings she favored religion over the state. It doesn't matter if it was esablishment clause issues or free exercise issues.
So, why does Sotomayor think that the state has no business making laws that prohibit religious displays in public parks? You think religious symbols should allowed to plaster their shit anywhere they like? Public parks, town halls, courts, schools? Really? With liberals like that who needs religious right conservatives? If this were a free speech issue then the Rabbi could put up his religious displays all over his temple and his business and his home. He doesn't have the "right" to put them up in city/state owned parks. Public parks are for us all, even us non-religious folk.
Why does Sotomayor thinks religions deserve special rules? Aren't we all supposed to be equal under the law? So, why do religions not have to follow age discrimination laws in place for everyone else? The religious freedom act thing is just terrible, although again, she favors religion over the state. Folk who throw it all out the window to favor religion sound more like Thomas and Scalia than Souter.
Why does Sotomayor think that churches don't have to follow the same rules as other homeless shelters? More special rules for religion? I wonder what else she thinks religion can do without proper permits for saftey and such. Can churches now provide medical advice even though there aren't any health care professionals? Do churches need child care liscenses to have pre-school? Again, with liberals like this who needs Pat Roberstson or James Dobson?
So Sotomayor favors the separation of church and state but only in regards to protecting religion from government and NOT the other way around. And again, with liberals like that who needs the conservative right?
And, I never said her rulings violate the Lemon Test. Nice way to attack a strawman. In fact she invokes it in at least one of her opinions I read. Again though she only using it to protect religion from government, not the other way around. I mentioned the Lemon Test becuase the previous poster suggestd the establishment clause was super duper thin when, in fact, it has much more breadth than this poster was saying.
Are you all so eager to support Obama that you are willing to give the Supreme Court the fifth judge the radical religious right have been looking for for the past 35 years? She might not be a menber of the religious right, but she does appear to be an accomodationist. We need another Souter not another Scalia, in regards to church separation issues.
If secular groups are allowed to put up displays in a public park, however, religious groups must also be allowed to do so. An organization cannot be treated differently or had its activities restricted because those activities are religious in nature.
The ACLU has actually taken such cases to court before, and won.
Firtly I have exchanged emails with Eddie Tabash. I am trying to encourage him to come out with an article or something. I told him that a "cautiously optimistic" approac doesn't cut the mustard. We need info. There was a lot of info regarding Roberts and Alito...I expect no less for Sotomayor.
Also Barry Lynn seems concrened about Sotomayor's "elusiveness" regarding CSS issues.
From Politico.
Aren't distortions by their very nature misleading?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
but just seeing Karl 'Pinky' Rove on the screen cap tells me all I need to know.
Why do the traitors at FOX and the last admin hate 'Murica?
me-oww!
Sounds too Spanish
Like Armorica.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
someone should remind rove
used toilet paper goes in the
toilet not your mouth.
They let a far right-wing politician and a conservative journalist frame the discussion regarding Sotomayor's "activism". They were able to spout off these kinds of distortions without being challenged by anyone other than a few callers.
They have the cache of being liberal, which arguably they may have been, for decades, but since the Thug driven cuts in Public Broadcasting, they too are shills, only sneaky shills, because many people haven't realised they've shifted to the right.
It's insidious, really...
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Is sure not liberal, for the most part Morning Edition and All Things Considered cower to their corporate donors. They only have the appearance, not the reality of detachment and independence. And Mara Liasson---what a tool of the GOP.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
"intellectual lightweight." This from the Party who stood and stands four square behind Scalia's little buddy, Justice Uncle Thomas and still don't get why Bork was a shitty choice for justice -- they still think it was only a party thing, since that what drives them.
This from a party whose lips were attached to the genitalia of the least intellectual pres ever for the last 8 years.
me-oww!
ability to rationalize ideologies that exclude nature and have no rational relationship to reality.
Party Leader Limbaugh wants her to fail and reiterates he wants Obama to fail
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/26/limb...
and without that coordinated uncontested repetition from 1000 stations to prechew their talking points the corp media couldn't put liars and distorters like rove on TV.
limbaugh will lead the pack and at some point will suggest (with the kind of 'subtlety' the dittoheads will undestand) RW violence toward 'those activist' judges.
We have conservative activist judges legislating from the bench and who went as far to trump the American democratic process by installing a right wing preznit to wrecked the country.
Fuck what the wingnuts think. Dems let their wingnuts through.
This is why important to have web sites like C&L, Huff Po, Media Matters, etc, to easily and quickly refute and debunk all of the lies that the right will use to try and discredit her.
I think it's already been stated what a lose/lose situation this is for the right.
Some guy as a guest on Beck's show just said that empathy is a code word for diversity.
I think it was Jon Stewart who said the media feels it their obligation to stir up a controversy. So in this case they take bs from the right and play it against the left. Buchannan was on Matthews show relying on the words of that guy who wrote the story about Sotomayor without quotes and who admitted he had not read all her decisions.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Hehehe. "is a code word for" is a code word for "I'm schizophrenic".
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
chose Gonzalez as AG.
The right is just pissed that the world is spinning without them being in control. It's spinning just fine with a black president and it will spin just fine with a female Hispanic sitting on the Supreme Court. This kind of stuff rubs their buts raw.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Except for the fact that she (so far) has been poor regarding the separation of church and state...spin just fine is simply not something I would just assume.
It boils down to the best choice. Is there a better choice?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
An actual progressive would have been better.
Obama may have been against Roberts and Alito but they got through. Karl "should be in prison instead of a pundit" Rove needs to get over it fast.
Sotomayor was nominated on November 27, 1991, by President George H. W. Bush to a seat on the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York vacated by John M. Walker Jr. . . Bush Sr.'s first cousin.
I wonder if a baggage check is warranted.
It gets more depressing by the day.
I've noticed that the younger generation doesn't quite see it this way.
the time? Hasn't exploiting youth always been a guarantee of future profits?
home in a diaper young people have to learn to listen.
Wouldn't she make the sixth Roman Catholic on the current bench?
Sure she might be what's called a "bad" Catholic now but it's a lifetime position.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
quite frankly I'm getting tired of Yale people dominating everything.
Would you prefer graduates of Arizona State?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Keep your damn powder dry, buddy. There are plenty more Obama appointments coming down the pike. Cry "wolf" now and not even Chrissy Wallace will be listening to you by the time Obama appoints his third justice.
Not surprisingly, RUSH LIMBAUGH IS A BIG FAT IDIOT! He accuses Sotmayor of being a "reverse racist" because of the New Haven "reverse discrimination" lawsuit. If the oxycontin-addled gasbag could research or even read, he would find out that Sotomayor ruled AGAINST 17 white firemen and one HISPANIC fireman in favor of 24 black firemen. I repeat; the LIBERAL HISPANIC JUDGE RULED AGAINST THE HISPANIC FIREFIGHTER IN THIS DISCRIMINATION LAWSUIT!!!
Because he is the racist.
Tom Tancredo, a racist, WASP wannabee is blithering the same thing, apparently, all over the boob tube now! Surprise! Surprise!
It was 19 white not 17, and yes you can look at it that she ruled against the 1 hispanic but you can also look at it that she ruled against the 19 whites. And the test in question had been checked by a multi-racial committee prior to it being given, and the oral section of it was done with a multi-racial panel of judges composed from what I can tell of mainly minorities.
Rush, Karl, Cheney - We are hearing from the non believers in democracy. This is what they sound like. This is what they look like. They have seen democracy and they don't like what they see.
America doesn't really need a non democratic party as the official opposition.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Straight out of their dark corporate castle they are flying in attack formation as we speak to spew their misinformation and other insipid, drooling garbage about a well qualified SCOTUS candidate. I'll get you my pretty and your little dog too!
Pigboy, Upchuck Todd at MSNBC, and all the other mental defectives at the Fox Nutwork have been given their orders by the RNC collective---resistance is futile.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
SOT does not have an activist record at all. And so what if she is "outspoken"? It would be great if she is outspoken and pushes here views. We need someone to counter that jackass Scalia.
Except that in matters regarding the separation of church and state they seem likely to vote together.
I am very dissapointed in Obama. He's appointing at best a moderate and he is still winning no favors from the conservative crowd who he seems to always be bending over backwards to appease...again this is in regards to religion and CSS (church state separation) issues.
Less appeasers, more secularists.
I cannot stomach anything that comes from fox.
You know before you see it that it is insane.
republicanism is a mental illness. It's a proven fact.
they have no honesty, no honor, no integrity, no intelligence.
Just batshit crazy.
yep, and you can add - no respect for democracy.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
How is Karl Rove relevant to anything today?
Who cares what this nutcase says?
His special math doesn't mean anything anymore.
Just a couple of words:
FAUX Noise
KKKarl Rove
No Credibility here.
They will be repeated, and repeated, and repeated, just like all the other "big lies," and not by Faux Nuzz, alone, but by every other infotainment outlet as well, until they are part of the conventional wisdom.
WTF.........
Hey Fake Noise if you are going to smear somebody why don't you at least get some people with a little credibility? instead of trotting out disgraced Ex-officials to smear people with lies and distortions.
OOPs........ you probably don't know anyone credible!
The last thing we need is advice from anyone part of an administration that failed at everything they tried except funneling trillions to their corporate pals (at the expense of the rest of us).
Karl Rove has a hole in his bucket.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
And his Dr. Denton's.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
and these folks don't have any finese. They figure if they have enough heart, like Chris Farley on SNL skit for Chippendales, they win. But that's not how it works and they fall on their asses. The routine is a mess.
...was representing the "Republican" viewpoint on NPR today and he kept referring to "Obama's lawless empathy standard."
SO I expect that's another twisted phrase we'll be hearing more of.
What total BS!!
Why is Karl Rove not in jail?
Isn't ignoring a congressional subpoena some kind of offense?
The new Repuke talking point. Unbelievable.
about the prospect of losing totalitarian sympathizer control of the court. God forbid that a majority that actually grasps the concept of justice and government of, by and for the people should wrest control from the anti-American, anti-Constitutional despotic clowns who currently hold the majority. What a scary thought
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