Lindsay Graham: Since Obama is the 'virtual incumbent,' he's going to lose
By David Neiwert Sunday Nov 02, 2008 2:00pm
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Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C. and John McCain's bosom buddy, today on CBS with Bob Schieffer:
What we've seen in the last two weeks is a very much tightening of the race in the states that matter. I really believe that Senator Obama is the virtual incumbent. And if he's not at 50 percent today in North Carolina, he's not going to win.
We see closing in Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado, Missouri, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. We have him under 50 and in the margin of error. The intensity level in the last couple of weeks has been unbelievable on our side. Senator Obama is being defined for the most liberal senator in the Senate. That's his voting record. Joe the Plumber kind of put Obama policies on a real face. ...
I said in Fayetteville that I would beat Michael Phelps in swimming before Barack Obama wins North Carolina. And I can't swim.
I'm standing by that. I know North Carolina. John McCain will win North Carolina.
Yep, they're all taking up residence on Planet Bizarro. Because only there would it be possible for Republicans, who've held the White House for the past eight years, to call Obama the "virtual incumbent."
And like most of these Bizarroids, it may prove amusing if nothing else come Wednesday to compare the actual results with their predictions. I'm sure that Lindsay Graham can be faster than Michael Phelps ... on the Internet.
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For all the campaigning M/P are doing there, the polls haven't much budged. Pollster still has them down eight. That's not within the margin of error.
I really am worried that they are setting this up for their big cheat again. The polls I've been looking at show Obama's margin getting bigger not smaller. Kind of creepy when you can't even trust the voting system in your "free" country.
If you are voting on a machine, try to make sure your vote goes where it's supposed to.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/466.html
Ali,
They are cheating. They have more ways than you can think. North Carolina, for instance, includes a computerized option to vote "straight party ticket." Naturally, the idea is that you can save time by not having to press twelve buttons to vote for twelve Democrats, risking mistakes, bad calibrations, etc. What they don't tell you is that if you do vote "straight party ticket," you DON'T VOTE FOR PRESIDENT. You still have to click "Obama" separately.
It worked in 2004. It'll work this time if we don't get the word out.
Frankly, there are too many entrenched interests to change the system within four years for any next election. There is only one way to overcome fraud: To turn out in such overwhelming numbers that elections cannot be stolen inconspicuously. So, everyone here should have already voted, and should be working on election day to turn other people out.
On the upside, this time around, cheating is the only way they can win, because it isn't all that close.
These lying shitheads have no honor.
Mom is tattooed on the inside of Graham's sphincter.
no wonder lindsey is always
bending over to kiss his own ass.
it sure looks like clay aiken to me. i wish that that shaft-gargler graham would just STFU and go find himself another nice intern to jump on.
If McCain wins, and every poll is totally wrong, then there's some serious voter fraud going on and we need entirely revamp the voting system to start emulating third-world countries, where the votes get counted.
That is, after the civil war ends.
Get it right. Don't use their talking points. Voter fraud is if someone votes that shouldn't vote or casts more than 1 ballot. Doesn't happen very much at all. Election fraud is when they use the machines to switch the votes, throw away absentee ballots and not counting military ballots.
Lindsay Graham pundit manure-
i don't like the smell of shit,
i sure am not going to stick my
ear to it.
"I'm sure that Lindsay Graham can be faster than Michael Phelps ..." The question is "faster than Phelps" in what?
My question is " Who has sunk lower, faster? Good ol Huck vs. Phelps, or the McSHAME campaign (AKA the character assassination of 2008) vs. Obama?
Bizarroids is right! Remember that they held both houses of Congress until only two years ago. And as far as the GOP hold on the White House, why stop at 8 years? The Republicans have been in charge of the Executive Branch (and all that that entails) for 20 out of the last 28 years. If government is broken, guess where I'm going to point my finger?
It's funny that when republicans are in the presidency during tumultuous times, their solutions to problems never work as well as democrats'.
What I find interesting is that Democratic Presidents have led America through a lot of turbulent times and provided great solutions to great problems. Woodrow Wilson (an intellectual) led us through WWI and was awarded the Nobel peace prize for his post-WWI work. FDR dealt with the Great Depression and gave us the New Deal. During LBJ, we have the Great Society. I argue that the only good Republican President in the past hundred years or so has been Eisenhower. Every other Republican President has been atrocious for our nation in retrospect.
if Obama wins in North Carolina?
Just to see if he can float.
:D
"My Fellow Prisoners.....". Sure, he's ready to run the farm..er...country.
They find new ways to be dumb
Graham should have to put his money where his mouth is and try to race Phelps (water wings for Graham, I guess) for charity.
think water wings would be necessary for one so replete with hot air.
that graham saw a young man in a speedo and it did not cost him $200.
Given all the mental gymnastics Graham has been doing to spin things in McCain's favor, he's probably in pretty good shape ;-).
Have these guys been drinking bong water?.....well, at least we know what's on Lindsay's mind....swimmers build. Did I write that out loud?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dwnqqj5Q1BU&fea...
“nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, gooood byeeeee-
BushCo .-McCrazy-Falin--“nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, gooood byeeeee-
This guy has been sniffing glue
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Ummm...
... Up is down?
... In is out?
... Obama is the incumbent?
... Sissy Graham is macho?
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Why don't the Republicans come just out and say they want an Overlord? They do not believe in Democracy, unless that means the rich enslave the poor and middle class. It is amazing we still have elections in this country.
I have a very bad feeling in my stomach about this election. If Obama does pull it off, I feel that whites may riot in some parts of this country or at least lynch some of their neighbors. If McCain does steal the election the Righties are going to be extremely harsh those of us on the left.
Then there is the fact that many voters will not vote for Obama because he is black, but they would never tell that to pollsters. This could play a significant part of the election.
My stomach won't feel better until Wednesday morning. I am hoping for the best.
The so called 'bradly effect', is just wishful thinking by white racists for the most part. Most pundits I hear play down such negativity.
I don't think so.
The polls aren't tightening to that extent Senator Lindsey "closeted" Graham -- and you're STUPID.
Sorry - I just feel like being juvenile today - I'm so sick of their endless lies and BS.
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I'm a professional with a Ph.D., and there are some days when their idiocy is just too much for me. On those days, it's all I can do to remember that I believe in rational discourse and not go off on a profanity-laden rant just to make myself feel better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypVLtlXy_No
I assume that was to help cheer me up. Nice choice. It definitely helped.
Hasta.
So he's promising McToast his state, is he? Perhaps someone should look into that . . . .
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Tryttydi:
You don't really think there's a chance Obama will carry South Carolina, do you?
I believe Lindsay Graham is an actual - not virtual - loon.
it cracked me up, i believe it was at the end of Sunday Morning, when Bob Schieffer came on to announce his upcoming show, and he said, paraphrasing, "next on Face the Nation, Obama chief strategist (or something like that) David Axelrod, and Mccain's best friend, Lindsay Graham"...
his "BEST FRIEND"! woo hoo!
he changed it a bit when the actual show came on, but not much...
Vote for whom you believe is best.
I believe in an end to war.
I believe in prosecuting war criminals.
I believe in capitalism, pure and simple.
your vote won't count because you are subborn. Better to not vote at all than to waste a valuable vote.
I assume you are opposed to wars and Wall Street bailouts.
If you are, for whom are you going to vote.
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WHY DOES UNCLEDAVE HATE DEMOCRACY?
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He loves all Dems.
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Those who would rather have people NOT exercise their Constitutional Right to vote for whomever they choose, is what concerns me. It isn't the Freedom of choice UncleDave supports with his asinine statement, "Better to not vote at all than to waste a valuable vote."
Ummm... Whaaaa...???
Dear UncleDave,
The only "WASTED VOTE" is a vote not cast!
Perhaps you would like to join Americans in the celebration of their Democracy instead of castigating people for NOT voting for your guy?
Totalitarian follower, much?
Authoritarian worshiper, much?
I mean, what kind of person actually suggests and believes that the Freedom of exercising one's Constitutional Right to Vote should be limited to those only he deems worthy?
Just when I thought the Rabid Right had that corner of the market covered...
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There seem to be a pile of Dems and Obama followers that think the world will absolutely change miraculously after the election.
These are the loyal partisans that still swear that Nader supporters were the reason Gore lost. No Gore lost because SOME people would have rather had Nader.
Ah well.....next year, there will be some very bitter people in the US. Maybe sooner.
I think of Martha Raye's last husband, Mark Harris, singing 'I'm a Gay Papa' on the Howard Stern Show.
swim,but so waht? IF McShame and his cronys count on Any Carolina-Ever been there? Red Necks,swamps and tabacca- then shake their hand and do a Rebel yell while Obama wins.
for most of the 1990s in a bastion of liberalism. There are many liberals and Democrats in NC. Graham is a moron and worried about his job. He doesn't deserve the air time he is always getting. A moron.
Talk of virtual incumbency is abject babble. Talk of President McCain's pending incumbency is not.
I can't blame them for saying, "We're confident; it's tightening; we can win." What do we expect them to do? Throw in the towel?
But they can still pull this off. I'm as confident as I have ever been about our chances. In other words, very cautiously optimistic.
Obama is the...incumbent!?
I want some of whatever the nazis are smoking....
on second thought, no.
I mean; pot only screws with your short term memory.
Whatever the GOOPers (Greedy Obtuse Oligarchic Plutocrats) are smoking obviously decreases one's IQ.
Waddya say?
We're not buying ANYTHING you're selling, Mr Haney! If we need anything to help us run the farm, we'll ask Sam Drucker to order it for us!
Wut? I don't understand this at all. Is it just me? Obama is the virtual incumbent? Do I have to actually watch the video to get it because I really don't want to.
I can't watch it either, it would be like doing a hit of DMT, hallucinate for 10 minutes, Republican style, their logic is psychedelic, they've figured out ways to trip while using the English language and references to little naked boys and articulate professional Senators all in one go.
Kelley74ny:
Heh, he's not actually making sense.
There's a "rule" of predictions in politics that if an incumbent consistently holds less than 50% in the polls as an election approaches, that incumbent will lose. It works very well, if you ever want to seem oddly prescient at cocktail parties. ;)
Graham was clumsily alluding to that rule. Figuring, I suppose, that if he can paint Obama as, say, "the one people already think has it in the bag," that the rule might kinda sorta apply if he doesn't actually have at least 50% in a lot of important states.
Whatever. Fuck him. This is desperation.
We should really worry that they'll be cheating. And we should turn out in droves. :)
Of everything he claims to be.
This character went to Baghdad and bought five rugs for five bucks and that's how he knew we were winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.
What a sad creature.
Obviously Lindsey has gone from his usual fatuity to giddy insanity. Let's see, the "virtual incumbent" would be the guy running for the incumbent party who is hustling their same dreary, discredited garbage, and that's ....Obama?
These people are their own worst enemies, and ours.
Watching that video burned up my gaydar! It was hitting the red zone for too long, overloading the circuits. ;o}
Gotta give Graham props for getting most of the debunked GOPer talking points into one sentence. You go, boy!
And Lindsay shouldn't be concerned with swimming because hope floats, and that's all he's got. Of course, so do most turds...
Must be a double dose of Fukitol because these morans can't seriouslybelieve this republican bullcrap hogwash.
Virtual incumbent, does that make Obama the equivalent of a black Max Headroom?
wtf is a virtual incumbent?
I'd like to see his face at their Republican meeting Wed morning. These bastards are going to be devastated. :) Expect to see at least 7 of his senate butt buddies fired by "the people" and more than 25 of his representatives.
They've been talking about closing since last monday. Problem is for the most part it's not happening. He says MO, PA, OH, NV, NM, CO. They have closed some in MO and NC but thats it. McCain/Palin have been living in PA in a last gasp effort and only moved polls from 9 to 7%. Meanwhile GA, IN, MT, AZ and ND are now within striking distance for Dems.
I heard someone else today refer to Obama as the virtual incumbent. I think his name was John Fund from the WSJ and it may ahve been on Wolf Blitzers show today. It must be the new talking point but it is laughable.
I suspect the election will be close because the republicans wil find a way to steal votes but I am hoping for a electoral vote landslide. McCain and the clowns supporting him need to be embarassed.
...than listen to, or give creedence to, anything Lindsey Graham has to say.
So, if you will excuse me...
that was interesting. I wonder what the thought process is in Graham's mind. How does he come up with these asinine phrases? Does he wake up in the morning and just open a dictionary in two different places and say, "Yes! I found my new talking point." Because that's the only way I can make sense of his putting two words like incumbent and virtual.
How can one be a virtual incumbent? Isn't it impossible to be one just based on the words' definitions?
...scratching my head. One minute they claim he has NO experience in national politics, and the next breath they are swearing he's the "most liberal Senator". How the hell did he do that in such "a short time in national politics"??
If the repug/neocon/fascist brown shirts would just listen to this babble, they might wonder how you can have it both ways??
Their only message is "be afraid...be VERY afraid!"
My good friend emailed me today with a right wing clip wanting to know why Obama "won't release" his:
1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- 'not available'
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- 'not available'
8. Law practice client list -- Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published – None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles – None
13. Your Record of baptism-- Not released or 'not available'
14. Your Illinois State Senate records--'not available'
Raise suspicion....get everyone afraid of this "terrorist". Holy shit. Does ANY of that above mentioned stuff matter? "..record of babtism?"
These idiots really are desperate!!
I've had people e-mailing me this stuff for over a year. I generally jut click "delete." Why does half of this stuff even matter? The thing that gets me is the whole birth certificate thing. My dad and I were talking about this the other night. He had lost his original birth certificate, so he had to request a new one. The new one was a computer printed certificate. Nothing fancy at all. Barack's computer certificate, the one that people think is a fake, is indeed how birth certificates are reprinted today.
The only thing 'tightening' is this guy's sphincter.
He uses KY Jelly.
-What is it about snakes, rats and blood sucking vampires that I dislike?
-What is it about many of these Americans as Lindsey that uses "liberal" as some sort of filthy blasphemy word ?
-Does Lindsey feel that American soldiers fighting in Iraq that might be of the liberal persuassion are heritecs?
What does Lindsey think it means when he says, " we need to "Liberate" Iraqi people? You notice no one never says they want to, Conservatize them ?
graham reminds me of Gollum, my precioussssssssssssssssssss.
he uses the word liberal as if it's a horrible thing because in his very narrow way of thinking, if you can call it that, it IS a horrible thing. anything that would question his agenda is a horrible thing. and, we all know what his agenda is. he is wrong on every issue.
an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. but, in grahams' case, i think we would all be better off is someone would cut out his tongue.
LINDA GRAHAM, since hasn't had the courage to come out of the closet.
There is nothing wrong with being Gay, but there is something wrong with being a complete hypocrite about it.
I hope this guy gets his ticket punched to go home and we never hear of him again!
Did anyone watch the PBS documentary, Torturing America? It included a snippet of Bush going before Congress to ask for his Iraq authorization. The camera lingered briefly -- very briefly -- on a shot of Bush ending his speech and turning to go. In one corner of the screen, you can see Linsie Glam, and he actually does a kind of fawning, gushing, girlie-man head crank. I expected drool to come out of his saggy mouth. He looks like a teenie bop Beatles fan. Linsie represents everything wrong with the GOPS. I suspect he has trysts with Larry Craig in the Senate Men's Room. Both are goofball homos, as is Bitch McComical.
I can understand your hatred and revulsion of Graham. He deserves it. But, don't put down gays to make the point that Graham's exceedingly disgusting. You may not like homos, but please don't put them in the same class as graham, craig and mcconnel.
I think what this gay goober meant to say was virtually incumbent. Never mind the mcgramps has been in Congress over 25 years.
so if we throw him in the water and he floats, therefore he's a.....
Does anybody else see a resemblance between Gollum in Tolkien's trilogy and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina? How could the people of any state elect such a slithering idiot?
I've lived in Charlotte, NC for the past 7 years and am originally from Toledo, Ohio, so I have a feel for both states, and I don't think Obama can win either one of them. I voted for Obama back on Oct.16, here in Charlotte. There has been tremendous turnout in the early voting, but most of the yard signs and stickers I see are for McCain/Palin. As for Ohio, it's a very racist state......I can say that since I was born there and lived there for 30 of my 37 years of life. It's very entrenched there, I think it would be very difficult for many of those citizens to vote for a non-caucasian candidate. Just telling the truth.
Piece of wood?
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