Obama personalizes, humanizes the health-care fight at NH town hall
Someone suggested today on one of my listservs that President Obama ought to be campaigning as hard for health-care reform as he did for his election. I don't know if that's a fair shot, but you have to say, after watching his performance today in New Hampshire at the town hall meeting on health care, they may have a point: He was electric, charming, persuasive, and powerful.
The major thesis:
This is not about putting the government in charge of your health insurance. I don't believe anyone should be in charge of your health insurance decisions but you and your doctor. (Applause.) I don't think government bureaucrats should be meddling, but I also don't think insurance company bureaucrats should be meddling. That's the health care system I believe in.
Making it personal:
And I have to say, this is personal for Lori but it's also personal for me. I talked about this when I was campaigning up here in New Hampshire. I will never forget my own mother, as she fought cancer in her final months, having to worry about whether her insurance would refuse to pay for her treatment. And by the way, this was because the insurance company was arguing that somehow she should have known that she had cancer when she took her new job -- even though it hadn't been diagnosed yet. So if it could happen to her, it could happen to any one of us.
And I've heard from so many Americans who have the same worries. One woman testified that an insurance company would not cover her internal organs because of an accident she had when she was five years old. Think about that -- that covers a lot of stuff. (Laughter.) They're only going to cover your skin. (Laughter.) Dermatology, that's covered; nothing else. (Laughter.)
Another lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because the insurance company discovered he had gall stones that he hadn't known about when he applied for insurance. Now, that is wrong, and that will change when we pass health care reform. That is going to be a priority. (Applause.)
Under the reform we're proposing, insurance companies will be prohibited from denying coverage because of a person's medical history. Period. (Applause.) They will not be able to drop your coverage if you get sick. (Applause.) They will not be able to water down your coverage when you need it. (Applause.) Your health insurance should be there for you when it counts -- not just when you're paying premiums, but when you actually get sick. And it will be when we pass this plan. (Applause.)
Now, when we pass health insurance reform, insurance companies will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime. And we will place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because no one in America should go broke because they get sick. (Applause.)
And finally -- this is important -- we will require insurance companies to cover routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies -- (applause) -- because there's no reason we shouldn't be catching diseases like breast cancer and prostate cancer on the front end. That makes sense, it saves lives; it also saves money -- and we need to save money in this health care system.
So this is what reform is about. For all the chatter and the yelling and the shouting and the noise, what you need to know is this: If you don't have health insurance, you will finally have quality, affordable options once we pass reform. (Applause.) If you do have health insurance, we will make sure that no insurance company or government bureaucrat gets between you and the care that you need. And we will do this without adding to our deficit over the next decade, largely by cutting out the waste and insurance company giveaways in Medicare that aren't making any of our seniors healthier. (Applause.) Right. (Laughter.)
And a response to the astroturfing mob-makers:
Now, before I start taking questions, let me just say there's been a long and vigorous debate about this, and that's how it should be. That's what America is about, is we have a vigorous debate. That's why we have a democracy. But I do hope that we will talk with each other and not over each other -- (applause) -- because one of the objectives of democracy and debate is, is that we start refining our own views because maybe other people have different perspectives, things we didn't think of.
Where we do disagree, let's disagree over things that are real, not these wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that's actually been proposed. (Applause.) Because the way politics works sometimes is that people who want to keep things the way they are will try to scare the heck out of folks and they'll create boogeymen out there that just aren't real.
I've already heard whining from the Fox talkers that no one asked tough questions. Which is to say, no one stood up and yelled at the president and called him a socialist.
I mean yep. Oh wait, agreed.
Trying to practice my redneck a bit so I can draw on that or my white color managerial speak.
That's the thing the right refuses to acknowledge. Insurance companies are full of beauracracy. Add a profit motive to that and things get really screwed. By things I mean you, me and anyone with a policy.
Since when would someone hear of a "government bureaucrat" getting in the way of a patient and his/her doctor in either Canada, France, Sweden and any other industrialized nations with a national health care system?
It's saddening when conservatives infer without any deeper understanding of the issue in question things like, "Obama will raid your 401K and bank accounts to pay for socialized medicine."
I would wager the people who should have been listening were completely tuned out or their personal hatred for the black man in office prevents them from ever hearing the truth.
UGH!
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
how to listen.
Plus a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
Bad combo.
couple of tough questions for Fox:
Why do they think people are so stupid, fearful and ignorant and then capitalize on that?
Why do they hate America so much?
O'Reilly: Did we say . .
Beck: people are stupid . .
O'Reilly: Hate America . .
Beck: Yip them Libs are trying to . .
O'Reilly: put words in our mouths
Beck: again . . .
About time he stepped up to the plate.
Key point: he's finally calling it "health insurance reform".
Monitor all communications for hints that all is not as it seems.
Yep, but drop the first word.
This is about insurance reform. Period.
This is the government saying to the insurers..."Cut this shit out. You guys made a ton of fucking money, and you're still not satisfied. We deregulated, and you're still not satisfied. Clean up your fucking act, or we will turn the people on you."
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
They Live
http://sickforprofit.com/ceos/
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While this is repugnant, I see yet another glass ceiling. Notice how little the female CEO is compensated compared to her male counterparts?
When will there be real wage equality for these f*cks!! When I ask you!!
that female is a Religious School graduate.
I remember Obama was going to "come for their guns?" and "Turn America into a Muslim state" and so on and so on.
The hyperbole loses its shine and without the shiny - all interest from the kooks fades away.
Mark my words, by spring - there will be a whole new meme and a fresh pack of outright lies to deal with.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
reform comes up. Look how mad they get when you are actually trying to help out most of those doing the protesting.
The Glenn Beck comedy show has lost Sargeto cheese and GEICO as sponsors.
Couldn't happen soon enough.
Hit them in the pocket book and suddenly they listen . . .
Please, more of THIS kind of thing.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
I left a comment at the end of the previous thread about what beck said tonight. His first half of his show tonight should cause all his sponsonrs to get the hell out as soon as possible.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I like Sargeto cheese, it's the Sargento I despise
that Obama has to defend himself against such ridiculous attacks. We have a segment of the population that will believe anything these fear merchants scream in their ears.
I would venture a guess that 95% of the people screaming the loudest will be helped the most by health care reform.
It's also kind of disturbing seeing Grandma and Grandpa seething with white-hot rage. I have a new idea for a horror movie. "The Attack of the Oldsters".
as they most likely receive Medicare and Social Security.
I had an old man tell me that he had to hide all his money before they took it and I told him the story that I always tell these people about the case I worked on wherein the 10-year-old child had gone through his lifetime max coverage. I asked grandpa what he would do if that were his grandson? Should people just stop treating him? If usually stops their goofy, selfish tirades.
"The public will believe anything, so long as it is not founded on truth."
Edith Sitwell
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Edith_Si...
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
The insurance companies are certainly getting their money's worth on the mix of goons and scared seniors they're busing to the town hall meetings. My bet? We will get some form of reform but missing the vitally needed public option. The medical establishment will continue to rob and cheat its customers, and uninsured yo-yos like Kenneth Gladney will wipe his brow with relief that the evil gubmint won't help him when the private sector denies him coverage for a pre-existing condition.
I am not wholly smitten by Obama, but the more I see of his enemies, the more I like him.
I'm glad to see Obama come out and join the debate, but truth be told, most of these people have no interest in the truth. They want to use scare tactics, hyperbole and use straw men.
And some aren't really interested in health, insurance or anything about the subject matter. They just dont want Obama to win. And they will do anything, even if its totally morally wrong, to see that nothing Obama does succeeds.
They are determined to find something they can use to justify the deep dislike or hatred they feel for him and other dark skinned people. Right now they are using health care, if that fails them, they will go in search of something else just like they did when the birther thing was debunked.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Forget the people you are talking about. Don't rent them any head space. The ones we are concerned about are the ones who have doubts because of the bullshit. The ones who heard Sarah Plain or Newt say this is true, as insane as it was, and had some little doubt in the back of their mind. Those are the ones we have to reassure. When Obama comes out and talks like this if give people confidence.
I saw some group of anti-Obama plan cheering that they wanted tort reform. These are the same people that no doubt would sue the hell out of a hospital and doctor for malpractice in a heart beat if they thought they had even a minimal chance of a winning case. I wonder if they know what tort reform really means?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
is more conservative than I prefer so they would lose against a corporation in most cases anyway.
It's great to see our President among the people with-out spewing fear with a orange or yellow alert.
It's so hard to comprehend a walking, talking, thinking President after eight illegitimate years we were subjected to. Why don't we hear from the Torturer In Chief from down there in Texas? Because we reject his TORTURE shit and true Americans always have rejected his chicken shit personality.
The President, for all his faults (yeah, right), has a knack of shifting into another gear when the situation calls for it. He did it in the primaries and in the general election. Let's hope it's not too late in the game.
Estamos hasta la madre, no mas sangre...
Do you see what I mean when I said that Obama has to get out in front of this? In this speech/town hall he put to rest the bullshit. I know that the idiots will continue to be idiots. There is NOTHING you can do about the type of people who still believe Obama was not born here. Maybe he informed a lot of old people that they will not be euthanized. Maybe he got through to people who were worried that they would lose their insurance that they have now. One thing is certain though, he did not change any birther's minds but we don't care about those idiots do we?
and Nice Polite Republicans managed to interview them all
O)r pulled a gun out to "emphasize a point". I understand that at least one clod thought it would reinforce his position if he showed up with gun.
Threw him one hardball and a mouthful of spitballs.
BTW - Geico gets the nod and a thumbs up for rejecting Glenn Beck and taking their business elsewhere.
How about three cheers for the blokes at Geico mates! what say!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Hooray!
:)
*GEICO is our auto insurer and we were hit - I never thought I'd say this but GEICO were nice and covered everything. It might be because the other was 100% at fault but still . . .*
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
I have had to use GEICO and also had to use Safeco. They were both very helpful. I think that is the norm but we remember the horror stories.
Good on 'em, I say.
Anyone know the other two advertisers to pull out of Beck?
Sargento Cheese (via DKos)
I just received the following from Pat Lombardo, Sargento Consumer Affairs Department:
We deeply appreciate your reaching out to us and sharing your comments and concerns about Sargento ads appearing during “The Glenn Beck Show.” We sat down with the marketing department to talk about it and I learned that we buy time periods not specific programs. But in any event, they’ve made the decision to exclude that program from our future ad rotation. Simply stated, Sargento ads won’t be airing during that show. Again, thanks for contacting us.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/11/76522...
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Now we need to talk to Free credit report dot com and the the UPS store.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
WE could also thank them.
1-800-CHEESES (1-800-243-3737) between 9:00 am and 4:00 pm (Central Time), Monday through Friday.
You can email them here.
Sometimes we forget about POSITIVE reinforcement.
I buya their spicey meatballs.
Really though, good on em
Proof that bloggers can make a difference.
Tim Hortons did the same thing yesterday with a pro-marriage (anti-gay) event in Rhode Island:
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2009/08/10/tim-...
Way to go, Timmy!
and make my monthly payment to them. I was ready to change after almost 12 years had they not done what they did.
Warren Buffett, I believe.
That's a lie. I want him drummed out of the human race.
they work to make sure we remain underachievers.
"I don't believe anyone should be in charge of your health insurance decisions but you and your doctor." (Applause.)
Even better--no one should be in charge of your health decisions but you and your doctor. We don't need health insurance to have health care.
But this was good and I hope we get many more doses of it from Obama before the recess is done.
The GOP wants the government to be between a doctor and the patient if it involves an abortion.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
And a few more things i bet, if you let them...
The GOP also wants the government to be between you and your doctor, and your medicine cabinet, so they can be sure you only put GOP pharmaceuticals in there. Your Doctor may know better.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
First off, it does feel good to see and hear our president in his powerful speaking voice. It sends a strong sense of hope we can overcome some of the ugly long standing negative forces like racism, misinformation and false representation of facts racing through our country as we try to address health coverage for all. Yet, when you look closely at this latest wave, I see the MSM as the primary reason for exposure these negative groups hold.
"Fair and balanced" has been a staple of the media's code of ethics. What you do for one group, you must give equal time and exposure to opposition groups. However, when you have several networks reporting the same thing, the distortion for this value becomes very easy to take advantage of. Increased exposure is the first dynamic given to groups like the Birthers and the others groups in the extreme. This is how the negative message reaches so many supporters. You might see individual efforts to balance the issue in question, but you don't see a mass exposure campaign given to counter of these issues.
For now, you don't see the MSN trying to examine their role in the delivery of these false messages. In the case of Fox news, you see only the promotion of the unfair use of facts, and as the rest of the media tries to gain better ratings, the rest of the MSM will follow Fox's lead to some degree.
Joseph
FOX starts the spin and makes it as sensational as possible. This is much easier when you are unencumbered by the need for actual facts. This gets ampliphied and repeated by the AM shock jocks to a mind-numbing level. MSM picks up on it and passes it on. It is already established as the sensational news story of the day. Days later, the facts come out that whatever it was was complete BS, but that is not front page news. What is remembered is the spin, not the truth.
You provided great additional facts to what I was trying to say. Actually, you said what I was trying to say in one paragraph. Good stuff.
Joseph
I almost didn't respond because yours was so well said.
Want to start a mutual admiration society?
Seriously though, people have to speak out on the sad state of the news media today.
I've been commenting on the sad state of the news (propaganda) for years.
I have often entertained the idea of creating a blog and devoted to the ills of the media. I get so pissed off at the hidden dynamics coming out of MSNBC and CNN. Really something should be done to inform the masses about games they play.
Joseph
I saw it first with newspapers. They got bought up by corporations who then bought more and more newspapers. This took the news "families" out of the business. Families care about their communities, corporations only care about profit. Investigative reporting was the first casualty and the free space was filled with more revenue generating adds. Editors were pushed to remove stories that showed any advertizer in a bad light. Then local reporters were let go becuse they could get cheaper stories on the wire. Before you knew it, newspapers were all advertising and fluff. Corporitization made the news irrelevant and that is what killed newspapers, not the internet as they would like you to believe. People turned to the internet because they were dissatisfied with the printed news they were recieving. I think it is the same with TV news.
Whew, I need a beer after that.
Later dudes
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 15:18 — Rascalcat
I almost didn't respond because yours was so well said.
Want to start a mutual admiration society?
Seriously though, people have to speak out on the sad state of the news media today.
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Give these guys a hand...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Great point from Tweety:
The wingnuts out there with their "euthanasia' obsession (and other rumors) are the same kind of people who 50 years ago were running around saying that flouridation of the water was a Communist plot.
(Of course, since it was also claimed this plot was to dumb down the IQ of Americans, if indeed it was true then these wingnuts must have drunk a lot of koolaid containing flouridation).
I blame Rush and his ilk.
These right-wing claims that it was stacked in favor of Obama doesn't jell one iota with the questions he got - and sollicited.
Ho hum.
this is who i voted for president obama. people of all political beliefs need to understand this president has the correct intentions. many angles/opinions can be talked about regarding health care cost/insurance reform.......the bottom line is that health care cost reform is a economic necessity. if the current system was effective there wouldn't be a need to change. president obama is aware of the real data and what economic futurists are saying....the system is broken....it can no longer maintain with this current model. the current system has become systemic to the american economy/business/worker and lifestyle.
In most of the raucous town halls, there's maybe 150=200 wingnuts there. The typical House district contains around 600,000 people.
It is great to see a smart, balanced and heady approach from the Prez to counter the wingnut fringe and to highlight debate, not fearmongering rhetoric to guide us to reform.
BUT...,
it is also sad to see such a smart, reasonable and supposed advocate for change sink to countering right-wing claims like "no bureaucrat between me and my doctor" and "socialist health care" and in doing so distancing himself from true reform...., single payer universal health care which is the fairest, most affordable and best option.
He sounds hypocritical when in the same speech he (rightly) demonizes special interests but also uses the same special interest talking points in advocating for a change-light, change that is not really change at all.
of sterilization for Republicans. Since it would be wrong to advocate for their death, I'll just advocate that they have their reproductive capabilities removed - permanently.
..but as we all know, Repugs don't have sex, they just like to poon everybody bidness-style!
most of them long past the reproductive stage.
Could I interest you in a nice tea-lavored Soylent Green?
99% of the people whining about *socialized medicine* at these meetings are old people, most of them on Medicare. In fact, almost every person I've seen arguing against universal healthcare is over 50. It's disgusting to see the elderly in this country behaving like monsters. Instead of demanding the Medicare benefits they receive be extended to all citizens, they are red-faced with anger at the prospect of the young and the poor having access to affordable healthcare. They're like Cronos devouring his children. I for one think it's time the elderly got a taste of their own medicine and were denied the healthcare they're denying to others. Eliminate Medicare NOW! If young people and the poor are going to be forced to fend for themselves on healthcare, then the elderly should be forced to do the same.
"Eliminate Medicare NOW!"
I agree.
However, what some call 'fendin for themselves' i call avoiding the pratfalls of alopathic medicinal quakery. Chemotherapy kills more people than it saves. This is not health care - it is exploitation of the ill for profit.
Seriously, IF people can detach their ideological blinders, they might come to the conclusion that the health care industry profits from sickness more than it does health, and thus might get a glimpse at the motivations of the big money interests (big pharma, big insura, big medica) that are all clamoring for a piece of the automatic profit pie.. it's a big 'IF' though..
Rothbard > Rothschild
medical care? Here's my idea. Any congresscritter who votes against medical access for all should lose their insurance, since they are not fulfilling the part of their contract that implies or states that they are working for the good of their constituents. Any citizen who pipes up about how they don't want shitty gov involvement in their medical should lose their Medicare. That's fair. And it should be explained to them that they are getting what they want: medical care sans government involvement.
I'm fine with Medicare. I think everyone should have it, regardless of age.
me-oww!
"Socialized Health care for everyone who doesn't complain."
Rothbard > Rothschild
for those of you who don't want govt involvement. Please have your checkbooks ready. There is a $50 returned check fee."
me-oww!
http://homepages.wmich.edu/~johnsorh/Myth/ima...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
which so many astroturfers cite as a nonpartisan source is actually a wholly owned subsidiary of United Health Group. "The Lewin Group is the source of the most frequently-cited statistic invoked by those opposing health care reform in 2009: that nearly 100 million people will lose their employer-provided health insurance if a government-run public health insurance option is available. When citing this statistic, its source, the Lewin Group, is said to be a "non-partisan" firm that provides health care consulting.[1][2]"
Operation Mockingbird is in full effect. Sleep tight!
Rothbard > Rothschild
I work and have a good benefit so really don't care much about the health care reform debate except, if hit with increased taxes then I'll be mightily pissed off.
Obama just needs to start asking a few questions...
1.) Seek a show of hands of those over 65 years of age who will surrender their poorly run government Medicare/ Medicaid benefit? If the government is so screwed up and it's programs so poorly managed giving up this entitlement should be an easy decision seeing as how the private option offers so much more.
2.) Ask the insurance industry dupes bused in to disrupt adult conversation what they would do in the event that they were to become ill or injured while protesting health care reform town halls? Seeing as how many have NO benefit at all maybe the private option will foot their bill.
Then ask if they're willing to give up food stamps and subsidized Section 8 housing?
3.) Tell the audience that there will be a Health Care Reform Act regardless of protest and as such seek their alternative plan(s).
When the President grows his very own set of balls and removes the Republican pair dangling from his chin... CALL ME.
Frank Zappa - Make A Jazz Noise Here
it doesn't mean it'll be there tomorrow (Enron, MCI, AIG, layoffs). Even if you are proofed from all of that, the fact your fellow countrymen DON'T have it is costing you and the rest of the country in money and resources. Also a rising tide lifts ALL boats, which is what is being talked about here. Society as a whole will be better off. So what I'm saying is that it would behoove you to care (which I think you really do) regardless of your good fortune.
me-oww!
but unlikely (fortunately) as I pay for my benefit.
However, as you so eloquently stated many cannot and Mr Obama has done a terrible job selling his program whatever, that plan may be. Obama's weak approach has allowed the Republicans to take the high ground and it is they who are now in control of the dialog. Like Bush's failed sales pitch to privatize SS the Republicans were so disjointed and off message from the very beginning that the measure died and thankfully so.
Here's my plan. 1.) Keep the current SSI and Medicare/ Medicaid programs in conjunction with indigent persons and needy child care all to be fully funded by USG at current tax levels. Tighten up on both scammers and over-billers alike.
2.) Legislate for profit health care insurers who will then pay a % tax on earnings that would be plowed into a managed care system for those uninsured not covered above to be managed through SS.
There you have it. Simplicity at it's finest.
Frank Zappa - Make A Jazz Noise Here
How much was their herring bill?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
should have been out in front of this months ago.
and he should have gotten rid of Rahm months ago as well.
The trouble with conservo-bots is that they don't want to hear any other perspectives...if they did want to have a real debate then their argument probably wouldn't be so incoherent.
The fact that they don't know why they are angry tells me that they don't care what the other side is doing or thinking and the certainly don't care about anyone else's point of view.
Man, after watching that clip I realize how much I miss THAT Obama. He MUST go out there and sell this, not only for heath care, but for the midterms, and....his presidency.
" I shoulda said more sooner"
Too little too late. Sorry Barrack, you meant well, but after one of Glenn Beck's army puts a bullet in your head in his socialist paranoia, it'll all be about how hard you tried and good intentions. Ignorance wins, back to the norm again. Plug our American Idol IV back in. Back to the Matrix, thanks. Ahhhhh,...
It's a fair shot. In fact, it's understated.
Obama says:
Wow, now that's a huge lie. What he should have said is:
"If it happened to her, it could happen to any one of YOU, because it could never happen to me."
The whole point is our elected officials have much better insurance than most of us will ever have, assuming we have any, and it's being paid for by taxpayers. Most people would never notice the president's little slip, but I look at it as a sign of how out of touch with our reality most elected officials in Washington are.
Obama:
Since there is no health care reform bill, how can he say that? Sure, it's one of the features of reform Obama's been calling for, but he isn't writing the legislation, so promising that A and B will be in the final legislation, without promising a veto if they aren't, seems a little disingenuous.
He needs to become more active, more visible, and a lot more assertive.
They should be more worried about what the insurance companies will deny when they need their insurance the most. My husband lost his job as I was diagnosed with breast cancer. When the cobra was running out I asked if we could still be cover. The answer was no. Tell me what that did for my moral. I felt like I was sinking my family into a debt they didn't deserve. My adult daughter tried to get insurance and had to pay large premiums because she had a pre existing condition...acne. My neighbor's family had insurance issues because their son had a pre existing condition...an ear infection.
In a time of great need for American's in this nation the insurance companies are making profits even in state where not for profit is mandated.
Jeanne
Involving the insurance companies in any manner in the delivery of healthcare is the problem. They need to be written entirely out of the equation. And then making it mandatory? Sorry, but that's BS. As a taxpayer I'm unwilling to fund a huge corporate welfare program for these criminals. It's long passed time that this parasitical industry faded away. I'm disgusted.
Health insurance is not healthcare, and he isn't going to reform the health insurers. There is not one instance in the history of humanity that a sociopath has ever been reformed or rehabilitated. Obama is out of his skull if he thinks he is going to succeed.
HR-676!
I've already heard whining from the Fox talkers that no one asked tough questions. Which is to say, no one stood up and yelled at the president and called him a socialist.
How would they know? every time I flipped over to fox to see their coverage, they were talking over Obama with some panel. Viewers couldn't even hear the answers to any questions -- especially the myth questions that the right has put out there.... they switched to other town halls, tye had. 4 panel discussions with Obama on a spit screen talking, but all you could hear was the talking heads, not anything that Obama could say.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
News are echoing the loudest sound.
Democrats are whispering and calling to think. That does not bring home the necessary 10% of votes to make any change in congress.
Let us start a simple excersise of counterGOP: Give the media good, loud and short arguments from the "scared" Left. The media will include those arguments together with the crazyGOP ones and there you have it, the conversation is again in the middle, people will start to turn off their TV's and the whispers will be audible. Remember, thinking is the best desinfectant.
One possible shout: "Opposers of health care reform want to kill poor people..."
i still think Obama needs to make this about us, the american people, and stop making the you, i, yourself arguments. we need to do these things for the good of us all. not because it's good for just me or just you.
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