O'Reilly keeps repeating disproven propaganda
By David Neiwert Saturday Jan 24, 2009 12:30pm
Bill O'Reilly just can't help hawking right-wing talking points on his segment devoted to same, even if they're largely false, hyperinflated propaganda:
So we can add this guy to a list of 61 former Gitmo detainees who have returned to being terrorists after they've been released, according the Defense Department. That's 11 percent of those let go returning to the terror world.
Actually, there are only 18 confirmed ex-detainees who've been identified as having returned to terrorism:
Indeed, during a January 13 press conference, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell stated: "The new numbers are, we believe, 18 confirmed and 43 suspected of returning to the fight...."
More to the point, doesn't this actually tell us that the Bush detention policies were a failure? O'Reilly assumes that closing Gitmo means letting all these people go; what it actually means is giving our legal authorities the ability to make sure we hang on to people who are real threats and to do so legally instead of relying on extralegal measures like Gitmo.
Not that O'Reilly would have the capacity to figure this out if it were explained to him. His precious talking point is much more important.
O'Reilly then goes on to compare the "war on terror" with the Civil War. And then whines that the press didn't treat Caroline Kennedy the way it treated Sarah Palin. Nevermind, of course, that Palin was running for the Vice Presidency -- the nation's No. 2 national office -- while Kennedy was simply seeking one of 100 Senate seats -- a statewide office for people who live in New York.
I think I need to start consuming large sums of ginkgo biloba or something, because watching Bill O'Reilly is destroying my brain.
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............ joining terrorist groups. I sure would if I were tortured and detained without reason as most were.
It's human nature to want to strike back at a personal injustice committed against one.
But of course, the right winger torture lovers aren't smart enough to figure that out.
"That's 11 percent of those let go returning to the terror world." And the terror world would be where?? How about Crawford, Texas, for a start and then move on to the Pentagon and the CIA for sociopathological dupes? There's lots of other places, too!! 10 Downing Street if you're curious.
I know these peckerheads say outlandish and bassackwards things. I also know the first thing you wanna do when you hear this crap is tell someone just because it's so outrageous. But it irks me to pieces that they get so much print and air time in rebuttal. Myself, I'd much rather just ignore them, whether they go away or not. They make me sick to my brain. There is nothing good about who they are or what they do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIlKiRPSNGA
You still don't get it. It is all about the $$$. Billo and the others no more believe what they say than they believe in Santa Claus. They only say things to get ratings. Ratings = $$$. It is sad that there are so many people that take them serious. Billo and others are laughing at them on the way to the bank.
The only way to get rid of them is to ignore them.
let the pig squeal and prosecute bush.
this is simple propaganda for a philosophy that made us ALL torturers.
Thats what makes it propaganda! It doesn't matter if it's true as long as enough people it. Although yesterday's news that only 10 of pollees believed the Obama is a muslim smear gives me a little more faith in skepticism.
"only" 10%... the fact that 30 million people still believe that Obama is a muslim doesn't give me much faith.
Rush Limbaugh reveals his "formula for making you, the listener mad" in an early candid PATV interview. (excerpts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELRmgJw8muw
Listen to the last sentence.
Its entertainment to them and business. Don't forget.
These people don't care about or value the Truth.
O'Reilly, Limbaugh and the like, might be in it for money, but there' alot of "low-hanging" dimwits who feed of this stuff, as fuel for their insanity. CNN had a story yesterday about the large number of death threats directed at Pres. Obama. Look at the vitriol directed at him during the campaign.
I just read an article at CNN that says:
"Peter Bergen, a national security expert and CNN analyst, notes that of the 18 people the Pentagon says are confirmed to have engaged in terrorism, only a handful of names have been released.
If one accepts that all 18 on the "confirmed" list have returned to the battlefield, that would be 4 percent of the detainees who have been released, Bergen said.
SNIP
Bergen said some of those "suspected" to have returned to terrorism are so categorized because they publicly made anti-American statements -- "something that's not surprising if you've been locked up in a U.S. prison camp for several years."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/24/gitmo....
from "Dr. Strangelove"? I'm starting to expect him to talk about America's natural bodily fluids.
At other times, he sounds more like Buck Turgidson: "You just start your countdown, baby, and ol' Bucky'll be back before you can say blastoff!"
let these assholes steer this line of dis-information.
These detention failures EXIST because of torture.
These people can't be tried... BECAUSE OF TORTURE.
They don't hate us "because of our freedoms." They hate us because of TORTURE.
The beginning of the video almost made me lose my lunch. What a greeting :-(
I wish that BillO and his band of idiots would realize that Gitmo (under Bush's reign) created more terrorist and hatred towards us.
C&L: Watching Fox News...so you don't have to :-)
Can one prove or disprove propaganda?
Otherwise it would be facts.
Repubs want you to be afraid of anyone and anything. You should be scared when terrorists are over there you should be scared when terrorists are over here, you should be scared when they are in prisons being tortured and giving us basically bs. You should live your life around fear its the only thing that will keep you safe. Fear guns and small govt its how we should live.
...about how many "terrists" have been created by gitmo detainees/releasees who "returned to the battlefield"?
The numbers are INSIGNIFICANT compared to the number created by American support for Israel...
never mind how many are created daily in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan each time we "precision bomb" a wedding or something.
American foreign policy has killed hundreds of thousands and displaced millions in the middle east in its quest for oil.
If we are gonna get "all technical and shit" here...we will have to admit that the Obama admin has probly just created its very first terrorists when it sent missles into Pakistan yesterday! (children were killed!)
...we could also maybe count some new Palestinian terrists who were "inadvertently?" created by Obamas lack of response to Israel bombing the hell out of Gaza.
At least one of those unreformed former detainees has been dead for 2 years at the hands of the Russian FSB.
I think I've sorted out my thoughts now.
I think it can be taken prima facie that propaganda is not purely factual.
So you prove argument(s) are propaganda and therefore unreliable.
To disprove propaganda would be to prove it is factual.
People need to just stop watching period. These so called broadcasters are nothing more than criminals, putting profit above all else. Each of them have done every kind of lie and bullshit idea that comes to mind, that works against the best interest of the people. If you watch them or support the company's that buy ads from them you are supporting terrorist, plain and simple. And besides, lets be honest, TV has been shit for many years now, as it follows the music business into the crapper, which the corp nerds have also fucked up to the point of giving us the likes of Spears and many more. Turned em off and don't miss them a bit, in fact can't even stand to hear them on someone else's set. Purveyors of poop and propaganda. CEO,citizens,eyes,open
I hear Keith refer to him in his 'Worst Persons' segment so were it not for Keith, I wouldn't have a clue what this lunatic says.
but BillO the Clown raises my blood pressure substantially! I don't know why I watch the fool, but I guess it's because I take great joy in sending him emails, telling him how he is wrong.
Last night, I replied to his TPM on both issues....that the "61" figure is in dispute, and that he is full of it regarding his comments about Caroline Kennedy and Sarah Palin. I was especially annoyed by his comments that if Palin had pulled out, the "left-wing press" would be all over it.
Sure it would, BillO....Palin was running for VP, not U.S. State senator. Idiot.
Then BillO has the gall to say that "no honest person would deny it"....that if a conservative like Palin had done the same thing, the press would tear that person apart.
Well, in my email, I told BillO that if Palin had withdrawn from the VP race, then Fox News would try to cover it up....and that "no honest person would deny that."
You know, BillO said at least twice last night that he didn't really care about the Caroline Kennedy story, yet on at least 3 occassions last night, he brought up the Caroline Kennedy story. One time was with Glenn Frgn' Beck....apparently, Beck is now a regular on BillO's Friday program.
I don't know if it is just me, but I'd have to say that since Obama won the election, these right wing nuts over on Fox have gotten worse!
I don't watch O'Reilly. It is not allowed on my television. There's plenty of courageous souls out here that brave the awful cascade of stupid that oozes from that show. (and that network) My TV is old. It would be cruel to submit it to such abuse this late in its life.
Limpbaugh as well. That pusbag has no human worth. He is pestilence personified. I doubt grass would even grow on his grave.
My hope is that the new administration finds success in its daunting task of pulling our collective asses out of Bush's hole. We're so deep, you might as well put a little house on top with a crescent on the door.
Success will make BillO and Limpbaugh's screeching moot. As the American people start to see progress, they will see them for what they are - bloviating ass pimples.
Compared to what I really think of them, that's a compliment.
Don'tcha mean pustulence?
When are they going to start giving this guy a sobriety test before he goes in front of a camera?
Suggest he be checked for BUI--Bloviating Under the Influence.
Why shouldn't O'Reilly repeat the disproven?
Last night, Miklazewski reported it as straight news on NBC nightly.
Until the so-called "real" "journalists" clean up their act and stop parroting partisan propaganda, it doesn't matter what the known rightwing blowhards say.
how the Bush administration releasing terror suspects, after all these years (if that is even true) is a knock on Obama. It just means Bush is a fuckup. Why is the media not reporting this as such? You'd think after all these years, they'd be able to figure out who was too dangerous to release, especially after all that torturin' they've done down there.
That's what they're not talking about. Either people have been held for years and even tortured under boosh, and then released without charges have been innocent in the first place
Or
boosh has been releasing terrorists with fresh grievances against us.
This is so dumb:
"the press didn't treat Caroline Kennedy the way it treated Sarah Palin"
Palin was campaigning for tens of millions of votes. Kennedy was campaigning for one vote.
"And then whines that the press didn't treat Caroline Kennedy the way it treated Sarah Palin. Nevermind, of course, that Palin was running for the Vice Presidency -- the nation's No. 2 national office -- while Kennedy was simply seeking one of 100 Senate seats"
And nevermind that once Kennedy realized she wasn't qualified, up to the task, and/or wasn't going to make it she dropped out for her own good, the good of the people she was to represent and the good of her family. Something Sarah Palin never did.
"I think I need to start consuming large sums of ginkgo biloba or something, because watching Bill O'Reilly is destroying my brain."
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I keep my brain sharp with moderate amounts of stimulants, Tanqueray, and nicotine. But above all, NO Bilge-O!!
Not the "last men standing", but the "DEAD MEN WALKING". I just listened to both Flush Bimbo and O'reily and they actually sound like THE GOP IS DEAD! All of their spin sounds "spun". All their points sound "blunt". They keep twisting their propaganda and it's "too pooped to pop". Get the investigations going on Bush and that will put them over, once and for all. And, with any luck let Obama kill bin Laden (like they've been talking about) and "whoops...their gone". These clowns are over. RONALD666WILSON REAGAN IS DEAD AND SO IS THE GOP. After listening to these guys the past two days...they are desparate. That means "poof the Magic Dragon" smoked em' for their last parody. Stay tuned...this will be fun.
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Terrorists. Isn't the main objective of a terrorist to instill fear?
Hey Bill guess which side you're on? A hint, you're currently helping them and don't know it. I'm embarrassed to breath the same air as you.
Does it smell like sardines, beer and cheap cigars?
once they learn one thing, it's difficult, if not impossible, to get them to say anything else.
If I had been held for seven years without a lawyer, contact with family or anyone else I would be pissed too. Its not a stretch to understand that people we have held at Gitmo all these years would want to get revenge once they were freed. This is the price we are going to pay for seven years of unlawful detainment and torture.
Those people, their lives, their families, etc. will never be the same. I'm surprised that there are some who didn't become terrorists.
Yep, that's right Bill O'Reilly, you pinhead, dull-witted Bush Republicans such as you are directly responsible for unleashing 62 terrorists onto the world. Perhaps you and your fellow right-wing crackpots should be charged with treason.
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You don't call him Bill-Doh O'Liely for nothin'...
... Who else is supposed to keep the big lies alive?
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I don't watch the bastard and am very disturbed whenever I read of hear anything about him. His a royal asshole, with no redeeming values. He and Coulter are like siamese twins, suffering from the same lack of brains.
I think I need to start consuming large sums of ginkgo biloba or something, because watching Bill O'Reilly is destroying my brain.
I think you should stop concerning yourself with King Asshat. We already know he's an asshat. We know he lies like it's breathing. Why expend so much (much less, any) energy slamming the guy to people who already agree with you? It's like it was years ago (and still today) with Ann Coulter...react to her, speak-out against her, villify her, and she is stronger.
How about someone just shove a rolled up sock in his yap? Get rid of noise and air pollution in one step.
The Bush administration and its supporters are lying -- there's no other word for it. Those released Guantanamo prisoners are not said to have "returned to being terrorists", but "returned to the fight".
What does that phrase really mean? Rachel Maddow had an attorney for some of the detainees on earlier this week. The term covers anyone who has spoken out against the US and their detention in Guantanamo. For example, it includes the British "Tipton Three" who participated in the documentary Road to Guantanamo in which they describe how they were treated when imprisoned!
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OK, I'll grant you that the question was a little outside the scope of the thread, but isn't it a little more interesting than the usual "BillO is a blowhard and a liar" post? I mean, we all KNOW that.
Eh...I'm always jacking,
For almost as long as 150 years
everyone is far left because bill is sooo far right and insane. how in gods name can this guy still be on TV, its national freekin' TV and this guy can just say whatever he wants no matter how far from reality it may be. how how how i just dont get it. i cant believe he is just allowed to lie over and over 5 nights a week and spread his false info. MLK Jr., JFK, RFK are shot and somehow the world allows bill o'reily to live???? what twilight zone episode am i in? its not the no spin zone its the twilight zoneif there is ANY justice in the world somebody will step up and end this lieing heartless bastard
That's Fixed Noise hypocrisy for you. Orally and the rest of those Fox types have been kissing Dumbya's butt for eight years, and it only took them eight seconds to try to undermine Obama.
Further, I have a piece of advice to the Falafel King: being the offspring of a former President and running for Vice-President are two different things. Caroline Kennedy was not trying to be the #2 person in the US government. Sarah "Michael" Palin was - and she's totally unqualified to be VP, let alone President.
Fixed Noise: official mouthpiece of the far-right.
Bill O'Reilly actually graduated several years earlier from the same college I did - Marist College in Pougkeepsie, NY.
A few years ago, I wrote him an e-mail explaining how he was wrong on a particular subject (yes, I know, that can be a daily job). Then I asked him please not to keep telling people what college he attended. It hurt the of the rest of us that had gone to that fine institution.
He wrote back saying that I 'should go fuck myself.'
I e-mailed him back telling him that he had proved my point. Any graduate of Marist would know that that was anatomically impossible.
And that's the last I ever heard from the big fat bag of fatuous gas...
Those right-wing talking points. So, the Bush admin let go a bunch of people from Gitmo, and some of them went back to terrorism. And, that means, of course, that it's the Democrats' fault. Whaaaa???
Now, Obama wants to try these people and move the guilty ones to prison, legally, so that we can finish the arrest process, and that is so bad because . . . I forgot; why is that bad again?
The Bush admin didn't even attempt to find out who was really guilty or not, so they just let a bunch of people go after keeping them for years. Gee, they'll just forgive us; right? And the ones who really were guilty will rehab themselves and take up farming or something instead of terrorism. Problem solved!!
Obama is not only doing the right thing, he is doing the only thing that should be done, at this point. Bush created a complete mess, from which there will be problems for years to come. Maybe generations to come. There is no clean way to dig ourselves out of the mess he made. Obama will do whatever he can, but there will still be problems, I'm afraid. The right will blame the left, but we know where the fault really lies. Right in the hands of Bush/Cheney.
They've screwed us for years to come.
why didn't we hear about them before Jan. 20th? Answer: they're not facts, and they're not important.
Until there is an organised turkey shoot, as happened to the late lamented JFK, Oreilly will continue to shoot his mouth off, lie, blaspheme, libel, discriminate, sexually abuse, promote anti gay nonsense, stalk etc etc etc...until something is done about the sick SOB, constitution of these United States allows him to get away with all manner of crimes. His boss the ex Aussie Rupert M is scared of him, so it will require an organised "put the sick bastard down" group to end this crap. Unless its done he will go on and on and on and nothing will be done about him. This blog in 8 years time will still be regurgitating the same old crap about the arsehole.
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After all this time of probing the cracks of the staff, O'Reilly still continues to wave his falafal
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