Palin and the Federal Marriage Amendment: Dobson First
By David Neiwert Monday Oct 20, 2008 1:00pmSarah Palin breaks with John McCain, telling CBN's David Brody that she would support a "Federal Marriage Amendment" effectively banning gay marriage:
I am, in my own, state, I have voted along with the vast majority of Alaskans who had the opportunity to vote to amend our Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I wish on a federal level that that's where we would go because I don't support gay marriage. I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do, but I certainly can express my own opinion here and take actions that I believe would be best for traditional marriage and that's casting my votes and speaking up for traditional marriage that, that instrument that it's the foundation of our society is that strong family and that's based on that traditional definition of marriage, so I do support that.
This is how the McCain campaign is using Palin to keep the religious right on board even as he stages a supposedly "moderate" agenda in pursuit of suburban votes. Palin's sending a signal to the Dobson faction that was responsible for her ascension that their agenda is in play.
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...in 2 weeks can we stop giving this woman any air time?
God I hope so. She's actually more polarizing than Bush, perhaps even Cheney.
This wicked, sneaky little woman and her segregating agenda is living proof that her part of the Nation doesn't give a shit about the rest of us.
More than one dog has mauled or killed a child. Living proof you should terminate your canine pet today.
I hope you're referring to her part of the nation in a metaphoric sense and not referring to AK.
But can she please go away and not come back EVER. I'm am praying that once this miserable campaign tanks she won't be back in the national news or political arena ever again. But who's not saying that she's making a name for herself to, at least for now, replace Ted Stevens?
My fear is that Fox News will hire her.
With their credibility going down the toilet that's better than her making a successful bid for a Congressional seat and having an actual shot at the vice presidency in 8 years.
That would be okay with me -- I'd never hear from her again.
:-)
I would never watch Fox so that would be a good place for her.
Mon, 10/20/2008 - 13:24 — CMINCA
My fear is that Fox News will hire her.
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Oh dear lord No
Or, maybe she'll replace Rush !!
I'm glad someone is finally putting some attention back to Palin's connection to Dobson and the radical christian right, specifically to Dobson, who vetted her.
Does that include protecting marriage from wayward wives who stray with their husband's business partners, or just protecting it from teh gayz?
Or their fly-boy hubby's screwing around with the local beer heiress.
...Polygamy for everyone.
Hypocrites.
Most so called Traditional Marriages I am familiar with are based on Adultry or divorce,How in the hell a gay couple getting married has any effect on these idiots marriage is beyond me.Why should someone be denied the right to be with a loved one in the hospital when they are ill,Why should someone be denied the same insurance coverage because the person they love happens to be the same sex is beyond Me.How these facist pigs can look in the mirror and call themselves xtians is also beyond Me. I wish there so called rapture would happen just so that the earth could become a less bigoted and more excepting planet.
the rightwing always have the hottest women (it must be something to do with money) while we on the left get the lesbian motor mechanics.
I know alot of HOT liberal non lesbian democrats,your an idiot
And a lot of hot liberal lesbian Democrats, too. Don't short change 'em.
George Carlin "Ever notice that the women who are anti-choice are those you wouldn't want to fu** anyway?'
CMINCA = WIN :-)
You mean like these repug hotties??
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http://tulane.edu/grads/images/Matalin_Mary.jpg
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/brandn...
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My eyes!!!! Where's the bleach?!?!!?!??1
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Yeah, like (M)Ann Coulter!
Maybe if she takes that dead rat off her head. Horrible hairstyle.
What ever happened to states rights?
The Radical Christian Right has been attacking both the Abortion Rights and Gay Marriage issues directly through the states and will continue to do so. However, they will not be satisfied until there is a federal amendment. They've recently tried, unsuccessfully, to add language about America being a Christian nation.
I'm so tired of these people. They violate every concept of separation between chruch and state without any penalty. They all need to lose their tax exempt status and their faith-based initiatives.
Actually, its funny you mention that....I heard someone on npr this morning mentioning there was a discrepency over something because the federal law conflicted with the state law, and the federal law was being followed.....this country is founded on a reverse pyramid of power where the federal gov is the least powerful.....federal law can be overturned by state, and state by county, and county by popular vote! Thats what this country is supposed to be OF THE PEOPLE! The gov is supposed to work for the public, not the other way around...in the facist regime we are currently in the people fear the gov. The second ammendment is in place to allow people to protect themselves from threats both foreign AND domestic! Dont forget that part of it!
ThePopulist (not verified):
Oh, how I loathe that phrase. States do not have rights! People have rights. States have powers.
And whether we're talking about a united state or the United States, states only have the powers specifically delegated to them by the people.
gentlefury:
Well, not quite. The philosophy is that all powers begin with the people, who, in order to secure their equal rights, may constitute governments, delegating power thereto.
Under our Constitutional system, the people ratified a federal Constitution, which is the "supreme law of the land." It delegates a finite list of powers to the federal government. As long as an act taken by the federal government is consistent with the powers delegated to it by the Constitution, such an act takes precedence over a conflicting state law.
However, the federal government is supposed to be limited to the very small list of powers specifically enumerated to it. Through ridiculous interpretations of those powers, the federal government now gets to do just about anything it wants. You know, like, outlaw marijuana by claiming that doing so is just regulating interstate commerce. Abject nonsense, but current Constitutional construction.
Any powers not specifically delegated to the federal government are, under the Tenth Amendment, "reserved to the states or to the people." Crazy "states' rights" conservatives think that means that the states have plenary, carte blanche powers to do whatever they want. Also not true. They can't violate alienate the rights we retain under the Ninth Amendment, and, as our founding document stipulates, are only rightfully delegated those powers designed to secure our equal rights.
But none of that matters today either. Through more inane Constitutional construction, the Ninth Amendment is meaningless, as is a lot of the Fourteenth, except for the Equal Protection and Due Process clauses, which, through jurisprudential acrobatics somehow protect certain rights of privacy like abortion and contraception. Oh, and the Declaration of Independence is but a mere historical document with no legal significance at all, despite the fact that it was an act of constitution that formed our nation, written, amended and passed by a unanimous Continental Congress.
The text of the Declaration and the Constitution are not that difficult to follow. Unless, of course, you want power over people to restrict their liberties.
The Declaration was just that, a declaration against the King with the specifics explained in detail. It had/has no legal powers.
Sarah (not verified):
I know that's how it's looked at. I disagree with that assessment. And even if it does not carry the force of law on its own, it is the perfect document to aid Constitutional construction.
The Declaration of Independence was an act of constitution. By signing it, the members of the Continental Congress declared themselves "free and independent states." They also listed the philosophy on which their new government was to be based.
The Declaration was passed the same way any law is passed. Representatives wrote it, submitted it for debate, amended it, and ultimately signed it. By doing so, they knew that they were either setting themselves up for treason charges, or creating a new country. As we know, they did the latter.
How can it not be the law in the United States that we are all equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness? How can it not be the law in the United States that state governments are limited to powers designed to secure equal rights? Every state in the union at the time signed a document saying that such was the basis for all governments, and why they, of right, were sovereign.
And in any case, rights retained by the people in the Ninth Amendment at the very least must refer to those self evidently inalienable equal rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Powers reserved to the states under the Tenth Amendment are those to secure our equal rights. The list of grievances against the King are the perfect enumeration of possible high crimes and misdemeanors for which the president must be impeached.
Personally, I think we have belittled the Declaration by relegating it to a mere historical document.
Like having sex outta wed-lock, that's a traditional foundation too, right Sarah?
I love how she contradicts herself.
"I'm not going to be out there...telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do, but I certainly can express my own opinion here and take actions that I believe would be best for traditional marriage and that's casting my votes..."
I'm not gonna tell people what they can and cannot do, I'm just going to tell people what they can and can't do.
not quite.
"I'm not gonna tell people what they can and cannot do, I'm going to have others tell people what they can and cannot do because I'm too chickens**t to do it myself."
I'm not gonna tell people what they can and cannot do, I'm just going to LEGISLATE what they can and can't do.
Much of the "out of state" money that is being referred to in the vote no on 8 campaign is coming from Dobson's Focus on the Family. Dobson is funding the vote yes side, claiming same-sex marriage will be taught in schools.
Is there anything they actually want taught in the "government" schools?
Just one more thing she really doesn't give a shit about but she's playing the part for the sake of votes and ego.
I think she does care about this and abortion and that's it.
I see, so she's not going to tell people what they can and can't, or should or shouldn't do, but "on a federal level" that's where "we would go"?
Yeah, Okay. I'm not going to tell you that you can't do it, but I'm going to try to tell you that you can't do it. Stupid cooz.
I'm with you. I have no idea how you can say "I'm not going to sit in judgement of what people can and can't do" and support voting for a federal amendment banning gay marriage in the same breath without coming off as a moron.
ms addle brain should have been born and probably
was during the dark ages of the planet. she
belongs to that group of human morons that are
totally against themselves but are not sentient.
Palin: "I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do, but..."
Living in the deep south, I occasionally meet racist folks that use a similar technique in their justification for hate/ignorance...
"I'm not racist, but (insert racist comment)!"
See Sara, the word "but" negates everything you said right before it. She really is painful to watch.
"There's two things I can't stand - bigots and fags." I was just commenting to someone the other day how the whole gay marriage thing, a hot topic in 2004, had hardly been mentioned this election. But here we go...I'm sure in week teh gay will be responsible for the banking crisis and voter fraud. I've never understood how the party of "less government" would legislate in a second who people could have sex with, what sex acts they could do with a legal partner, and force a woman to carry out a pregnancy. But "redistribution of wealth?" OMG, that's too much government!
You brought up such a good point about the less government issue. I always thought that was such an odd thing to say they want less government but yet want to legislate the hell out of an individual's private life. Truth is there are still people who think that government should legislate morality which is not what any government should be in the business of doing. So freaking annoying when people believe this nonsense.
but man oh man, what an ugly person.
Pretty is as pretty does.
She is truly vile.
That was the lesson my grandmother taught me. Not that Sarah Palin is vile, but pretty is as pretty does.
my grandma taught me that the most poisonous serpents have the prettiest skin (then again, I've always found snakes beautiful)
Remember, she attended the Love Won Out session at her church, which is Dobson's program for "curing" homosexuality.
ooh, does that mean she's a lesbian?
Apparently not anymore.
She prayed away teh gay.
When the middle-east was thought of where to go for Persian carpets, and no one spoke of munching on carpet?
and cannot do" [except telling them whether or not they can get married.
Yes you are....with your vote and influence, you dumb bitch. Just what we need in the White House...another lying, double talking idiot, using her 10th grade level education to mesmerize us with bullshit.
That's offensive to 10th graders eveywhere.
These other issues shouldn't be what elections are about.
They may think this is a clever game to "have it both ways," but most people aren't that stupid. And, to people with half a brain, this looks like what it is: utter, mind-numbing INCOHERENCE.
Your "Not going to be sitting in a seat of jugdment telling what they can and cannot do."
At the same time saying you will support an Amendment telling them exactly what they can't do because it doesn't conform to your religious views?
This is beyond Orwellian, it's schizophrenic.
The "defense of traditional marriage" is nothing more than the offense of the christian right trying to force their views into national law. These are not patriotic Americans who respect the constitution.
She doesn't seem to have any trouble telling women they cannot have an abortion, no matter what. Why is she trying to skirt the gay marriage subject?
Trying out my shiny new registration. I hope John allows some trolls to register or we won't have anyone to entertain us.
Palin '12
The Best person to see us through the end of days!
Your shiny new registration is beautiful.
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Mon, 10/20/2008 - 13:39 — curtilingus
take turns being troll du jour (yes, I'm a french socialist!)
blatant hypocrisy in her words much
Unfortunately, Republicans are so in love with her as a celebrity figure that they are already talking about a Palin 2012 run.
And this is coming from the greed orientated republicans, not just the bible thumpers.
Scary
It won't happen. Read the Obama endorsements from papers that endorsed Bush in 04 or from the Chicago Tribune (first time ever endorsing a Democrat). They all scathingly refer to McCain's poor judgment in selecting Palin as well as how obviously unqualified she is.
I'm in a Chicago suburb in DUPage County which is usually a Repug area but the Daily Herald is endorsing OBAMA. Palin is part of the reason also.
Let's hope the Republic party doesn't exist anymore by 2012.
This Bitch gets uglier everytime I see her.
The guys who judge this deceptive skank purely on the basis of her seemingly well formed molecules(personally, I don't get it) are the kind of men who never understand why they aren't happy in their relationships with women. I get the same feeling seeing Palin that I get when I see Pres. Dumbshit.
One man and one woman at a time.
to cram in some gay bashing in the last two weeks. It may help with their 30% but it's gonna further alienate the majority who worry about the economy, wars, etc.
At this point the McCain/Palin ticket is just trying to save their asses by stiring up their base and getting them out to vote. That's all they have left. If they lose their base they become a lost part of history.
They managed to get a anti gay marriage ammendment on the ballot down here in Florida. I hope it fails big time.
Because Homer called Florida America's wang.
I wonder when Sarah is coming back here to stroke the base?
From the Wall Street Journal's Peggy Noonan:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1224192108325...
. . . There has never been a second's debate among liberals, to use an old-fashioned word that may yet return to vogue, over Mrs. Palin: She was a dope and unqualified from the start. Conservatives and Republicans, on the other hand, continue to battle it out: Was her choice a success or a disaster? And if one holds negative views, should one say so? For conservatives in general, but certainly for writers, the answer is a variation on Edmund Burke: You owe your readers not your industry only but your judgment, and you betray instead of serve them if you sacrifice it to what may or may not be their opinion.
Here is a fact of life that is also a fact of politics: You have to hold open the possibility of magic. People can come from nowhere, with modest backgrounds and short résumés, and yet be individuals of real gifts, gifts that had previously been unseen, that had been gleaming quietly under a bushel, and are suddenly revealed. Mrs. Palin came, essentially, from nowhere. But there was a man who came from nowhere, the seeming tool of a political machine, a tidy, narrow, unsophisticated senator appointed to high office and then thrust into power by a careless Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose vanity told him he would live forever. And yet that limited little man was Harry S. Truman. Of the Marshall Plan, of containment. Little Harry was big. He had magic. You have to give people time to show what they have. Because maybe they have magic too.
But we have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office. She is a person of great ambition, but the question remains: What is the purpose of the ambition? She wants to rise, but what for? For seven weeks I've listened to her, trying to understand if she is Bushian or Reaganite—a spender, to speak briefly, whose political decisions seem untethered to a political philosophy, and whose foreign policy is shaped by a certain emotionalism, or a conservative whose principles are rooted in philosophy, and whose foreign policy leans more toward what might be called romantic realism, and that is speak truth, know America, be America, move diplomatically, respect public opinion, and move within an awareness and appreciation of reality.
But it's unclear whether she is Bushian or Reaganite. She doesn't think aloud. She just . . . says things.
Her supporters accuse her critics of snobbery: Maybe she's not a big "egghead" but she has brilliant instincts and inner toughness. But what instincts? "I'm Joe Six-Pack"? She does not speak seriously but attempts to excite sensation—"palling around with terrorists." If the Ayers case is a serious issue, treat it seriously. She is not as thoughtful or persuasive as Joe the Plumber, who in an extended cable interview Thursday made a better case for the Republican ticket than the Republican ticket has made. In the past two weeks she has spent her time throwing out tinny lines to crowds she doesn't, really, understand. This is not a leader, this is a follower, and she follows what she imagines is the base, which is in fact a vast and broken-hearted thing whose pain she cannot, actually, imagine. She could reinspire and reinspirit; she chooses merely to excite. She doesn't seem to understand the implications of her own thoughts.
No news conferences? Interviews now only with friendly journalists? You can't be president or vice president and govern in that style, as a sequestered figure. This has been Mr. Bush's style the past few years, and see where it got us. You must address America in its entirety, not as a sliver or a series of slivers but as a full and whole entity, a great nation trying to hold together. When you don't, when you play only to your little piece, you contribute to its fracturing.
In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics. It's no good, not for conservatism and not for the country. And yes, it is a mark against John McCain, against his judgment and idealism.
funny how in politics and religion (they are so closely melded!) it becomes perfectly acceptable to be prejudice! If she wanted to amend that marriage is between a white man and white woman she would be laughed out of the senate, but because it is against gays it is perfectly acceptable. Lewis Black stated this one perfectly, imagine they do this, and years in the future when we are no longer a nation or are a third world control (coming soon) imagine peoples reactions when they read, and realize we are so stupid a people we actually needed to state in the constitution the definition of marriage....
After hearing what Michelle Bachman said on Hardball last Friday night, I'm sure McCain is wishing he had chosen her to be his partner on the ticket. She was able to out-stupid Palin.
Not only did she call for the media to investigate every congress man and woman to find out who was pro america and who was anti america, but she's this infamous person. The details come from wiki but I think you will all remember this
"During the 2007 State of the Union Address, Bachmann was on the aisle in a very visible position in the Chamber and frequently greeted members going into the Chamber. During President Bush's exit from the Chamber, Bachmann clasped his shoulder for about 30 seconds while waiting for a photograph to be taken.[47] Bush signed two autographs for Bachmann and, finally, leaned into Bachmann for a kiss.[48] The encounter received immense press coverage the next day."
Democrat, Republican, Independent, Whig, etc., anyone who saw Bachmann's interview on Hardball should feel really bad for that area in Minnesota...what a bottom feeder.
The good news is that the guy who is running for her seat got a million dollars in donations after she made her comment. I guess every cloud does have a silver lining.
Dear Sarah,
So you (and John McCain) want to give jurisdiction over abortion to the states, but jurisdiction over marriage to the federal government. How do you make these decisions??
-Joe the Strummer
Anonymous (not verified):
Simple. Whatever level or branch of government would make laws more theocratic and authoritarian should have the power to do so.
abdf
You omitted "c" and "e." And maybe "g" -- I don't know how far you were intending to go.
Palin wants to, in her words, "take actions that I believe would be best for traditional marriage" ? If there is anything to the rumors, try not boinking your husband's business partner for starters. And maybe your running mate could have been setting a better example as well. Hypocrisy anyone???
...In these trying times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhLGA96fvMc
This well sums up this election year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nfXyqJQZiQ
Just to say we've had Civil Partnerships here for about 6 years - guess what the sky hasn't fallen in!
Guess what men and women still get married to each other!
Shock horror!
First she says she supports legislation supporting a man and woman only marriage, then she turns around and says this:
"I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do."
Newsflash Sarah! The legislation you support actually WOULD tell gays and lesbians what they can't do, which is to marry if they are in love, just as men and women do.
There are many more issues dealing with "marriage" besides being in love and having a ceremony and a license. It has to do with having the right to visit your mate in Intensive Care, it has to do with ownership of homes, insurance policies, and lots of other legal/business issues. Wills and so on.
She's so dangerously clueless.
Several months ago in our statewide newspaper I wrote an editorial letter offering $100 to anyone who could name one harm to society or to the "institution of marriage" caused by legalized gay marriage. I received only one response, claiming that the children of same-sex marriages become outcasts and perverts. There was no documentation to back up this claim, of course, and plenty to refute it, so I never had to pay out the $100. I would suggest that anytime anyone comes out against gay marriage, as Sarah Palin has, the only question they need to answer is to name one harm to society created by gay marriage -- NAME ONE! If they can't, they must stop talking, apologize for their ignorance, and pay $100 to Planned Parenthood.
It's a possibility that's looking scarier and scarier: http://brainrageblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/pal...
Don't churches like hers teach that women are not supposed to speak in church (Bible says that), yet she did?
Doesn't her religion say no sex before marriage? How come there are only 8 months between the date she married her husband, and the birth of her first child?
Old Testament verses condemn women who wear makeup.
*Lying* about people is also frowned upon, I hear.
She is right, we are entitled to our own opinion. It is my opinion that she is just as big of a slut as her daughter.
Excuse me while I Google Alaskan Independence Part so I can send them some money.... Get her and her terrorist bedmate the hell out of my America.
The very thought that someday in the future we may pass a constitutional amendment to restricts the rights of a group of people make my stomach ache and a tear come to my eyes. As I posted a day or two ago I will sure be happy when we wonder what ever happened to the wacko woman that ran for VP. Someone will remember her name and that they remember reading that she went through a real nasty divorce, someone will only remember the SNL skits that made them laugh. The sooner we get to this point the better, she has stretched her 15 min of fame way beyond where it should be.
I'm a newly naturalized US citizen and I just voted for Obama and against a Florida constitutional amendment defining marriage between "one man and one woman". It's not completelly on-topic, but I'm really proud and I just wanted to share.
Proud of you, that is.
The federal Defense of Marriage Act is flatly unconstitutional, and not because of anything to do with equal protection.
The federal government simply has no constitutional power to legislate on marriage, period. Nowhere was such a power delegated by the states or people to the federal government.
And I echo the sentiments of others that an amendment to the Constitution granting such a power, thereby marking the first time we specifically amended the Constitution to eliminate the rights of a particular group of people, would be sickening.
I thought Palin claimed to be a Federalist. If the question of legal abortion is best left to individual states, why isn't the question of same-sex marriage?
federalist principles. If Bush was bad, she'll be worse. If she makes it (after McCain becomes "too ill" to lead), the imperial presidency will be permanent. And with no depth or concept of what the separation of Church and state means, she'll rule with an iron hand.
That is if her delusions of grandeur are sated via the ballot box.
She basically says anything the base wants to hear. She basically brings up shit that scares the bejeezuz out of them. And nothing else.
It is nothing short of terrifying that people with such extreme, religious beliefs are aggressively trying to grab political power in order to shove their religious beliefs down our throats . What ever happened to separation of church & state? She’s a religious nut job -absolutely twisted. Would someone please bring out the hook and yank this vindictive, back stabbing, hypocritical liar- off the stage.
I mean really we have had enough.
Please, make it stop……
Who the hell are they to tell gay people,that marriage between two homosexuals is wrong?! If this is evil,doesnt the bible say that only GOD is able to say who is evil and who is not? (i am not religious,so pardon my mistake,if any were stated)
I am a heterosexual and i dont care what they do in their bedrooms... people say its immoral or even unnatural,because in nature we dont see these things - wrong, it does happen in nature.What if this is a way that nature keeps ballance of toomuch people born on this planet? What if this NATURE LAW doesnt apply to humans,because humans are a higher form of intelligence?
Come on,im sick of this babbel... just, ignore this poor troubled woman.I also noticed that the most anti-gay protesters,are actualy secretly pro-gay... look how many polititians in America have been discovered to be actualy gay and yet they passed outrageous bills restricting such actions.
You cant let 1 human yet alone a limited human being like Palin,decide what's best for a minority or a majority.
Let Caesar have what's Caesar's ... i dont give a damn how love is espressed.I myself like women,and im a 26 year old male.I cant even immagine touching a man in a sexual sense - i get shivers.Its because its against my being.But this doesnt mean that whatever opposite of myself is doing,this means its wrong.It isnt.
So we could say that if an opposite to human beings,wich is for religious people a divinity, is also something wrong? Why does it mean that something WRONG is automaticaly BAD ?
Just,shut her up and i'll be happy enaugh...
Cheers,
T.
Maverick Maverick Maverick. Further more Maverick
Who among us doesn't believe that if this woman gets into the WH, she will become a fundie dictator once John McCain is out of the way? This was not a fluke when she was "chosen" to be McPOW's running mate.
The disgusting thing is that the MSM seemingly forgets the insiduous nature of Palin by focusing on her looks.
This is an awesome Sarah Palin spoof call "anyone can be vp!"
"We can't have gay marriage 'cause marriage is sacred, it happens in the church. Marriage is sacred, it's sacred. No, it's not, not in America, not in a country that watches Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire? and The Bachelor and The Bachelorette and Who Wants to Marry a Midget. Get the fuck outta here. Shit, Michael Jackson got married, how fucking sacred is that shit?" - Chris Rock
Whenever this issue comes up they always say want they want to protect the sanctity of marriage, the sacredness of it... BULL! At least the real overtly bigoted people are open and honest about when they say they just hate gay people
OK, beyond that asinine message and its Orwellian nonsense, just reading the mangled grammar and sentence structure is wigging me out.
I am an English teacher, and if that were handed into me as a piece of writing, it'd get so marked up with my red pen, it'd be unreadable. And that's not even addressing the ignorant, backwards message. Ack !
'Seperate but equal' is still bigotry- The Republicans are seemingly proud they hate gay people, and boast how they want to take away their freedoms.
Will the Log Cabin Republican gays finally wake up ad see the Republicans will never see gay people as human beings????
Republicans will never see gay people as human beings
Giving gays and lesbians the rights married people take for granted would give them a level of, gee, humanity? Republicans simply can't have that, because they believe teh gays are sex-obsessed perverts trying to destroy America.
I'm sitting in a seat of judgment right now.
for those Alaskan Dominionists...
Palin, please tell where in the New Testament that it's explicitly stated that homosexuality is considered a sin? Don't even try using the OT:
1. The Old Testament is strictly a Jewish tradition - Christians, at least according to theological doctrine, are supposed to adhere to the new covenant of Jesus in the NT.
2. Even the Old Testament was hazy on the matter of homosexuality. The term used for it, "abomination", is a very loose and inaccurate translation of a hebrew word that also means several other things. That and it's beside the same scripture that deems eating shellfish as sinful.
Yeah, right...
/snark
Dobson covets the preferred status of the Bishop Muthee, but lacks the real charlatan credentials of the witch-hunting Palin hugger.
refer to this stupid, snow-hillbilly bitch as "S'Airhead Palin".
Some states have laws permitting marraige at eighteen years of age, some are twenty one. Are we going to make the law so that all states are standard in all categories when we pass a law requiring marriage to be between a man and a woman? What are we going to do about the closeted Ted Haggerts and Larry Craigs of the GOP?
These people are warped morons. James Dobson is a creepy old man obsessed with things that are not important. Read the New Testament people.
Dude, I finally remember who she looks like. . . .peggy hill!
"I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do" BUT I will press to pass an AMENDMENT to the freaking US Constitution to make marriage between same sex adults not just illegal but unconstitutional-- writing inequality into the freaking US CONSTITUTION??!!! But I'm not contradicting myself because I'm not, like, "sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do".
WTF is wrong with this woman and her supporters? Are their brains and hearts not hooked up to their lips and ears? What is it?
Is there a cure?
I support a constitutional amendment barring the stupid from holding public office.
I just do not understand why the concept of gay marriage would bother anybody. She's not going to "judge" anybody but they don't deserve the same rights she has. Screw you Sarah.
I know this sounds so immature and i'm sorry but I have to get this out of my sytem,a purge if you will: I hate Sarah Palin. I hate her as much as I hate George Bush. And I hate John McCain almost as much. I hate Glen Beck and Bill O'Reilly. I hate Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity. I hate Rush Limbaugh. Sorry to spew all this hate tonight.
oh guess what, today we learned that my mother does NOT have long term health care insurance afterall. She has been paying $350 a MONTH for some damn "supplement" but she's not covered for a nursing home. Wait, Medicare will pay for 80 days, IF she proves she's worthy of rehabilitation and not Hospice. Otherwise she can deplete her life's savings. The nursing home will cost about $7,000/month. That's what she saved for right?
We are so sorry for your mother and the insurance fraud perpertrated on her.
I think Citizens of The USA have had enough of these bullies. I understand fully your feelings about them. Keep cool, though, the problems with your mother is directly attributable to those you mention for removing any controls over businesses by their action or propaganda. Don't let them get you in a bad place.
The government should simply get out of the marriage business. Marriages should be sanctioned by religious organizations or for non-religious people by another method. Government should simply get out of the marriage business.
Just for perspective, the "vast majority of Alaskans" -- that is, the majority of Alaskans over 18 and registered to vote -- is only about 170,000 people. The whole state has a population the size of Memphis. So Palin is hardly the mouthpiece for the great silent majority of Americans.
JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE CHEATING IN A "TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE" WHICH APPARENTLY IS MORE LIKE 2 MEN AND ONE PITBULL !!!
"...I'm not going to be out there judging individuals, sitting in a seat of judgment telling what they can and can't do, should and should not do..."
What the f**k do you think all of these state amendments, that define marriage as the union of a man and a woman, do? "I'm not going to be out there judging individuals.." You're a hypocrite! That's exactly what your vote does - it judges. Surprise us all - RYFQ and then engage your brain!
God help us if we put the McIIIrd/Paleothumper duo in the White House.
Folks, get out there and put some muscle where your blog is. Volunteer your time, toil and sweat at your town's Obama campaign HQ so we won't have to shed tears on November 5, 2008.
Obama/Biden2008
PS Say a prayer tonight for Barak's grandmother.
MarcoZ
Hate filled Christian fascists. Lovely, aren't they?
Since these Christofascists hate America's rights, freedoms, and liberties so much, why don't these violently insane cultists move some place where their ideologies of hate and bigotry are more in keeping with the government? Some place like Iran would match these hate filled Christian piles of fascist shit much better.
Why don't Palin and other Alaskan Independence party, President Bush, Carl Rowe, and any ultra conservative? people realise, that Amendments to The Constitution are made to extend individual liberties. Prohibition proved habits, personal taste, Citizens of The USA, will not accept government policies restricting them.
While Palin's ilk is ready to demolish anyone taking something from them in a Constitutional way, they have no problem doing it to opponents. This is facism at it's highest level. When dictatorships first wish to be in control, they always sanction punishment and death for homosexuals. When they wish to dominate, they try to decide when and how much people procreate. Witness Hitler, Stalin, Castro, The Mexican ruling party in the 1980s, campaigns to force higher birth rates.
Libertarians can not be on both sides of this issue. Any laws affecting individual decisions on having or not having children, results in loss of freedom. Any laws saying commited partners are not protected for all civil rights, start a slippery slope to Ruby Ridge type incidents, where a stupid act by a stupid person results in tragedy and death.
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