Republicans have been all over the teevee telling us what a swell place that Guantanamo Bay can be. Club Gitmo! And if we close it down, we'll be getting terrorists in our neighborhoods!
So of course, Senate Democrats quickly caved on funding the prison's closure:
WASHINGTON - In a major rebuke to President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly on Wednesday to block the transfer of Guantanamo detainees to the United States and denied the administration the millions it sought to close the prison.
The 90-6 Senate vote — paired with similar House action last week — was a clear sign to Obama that he faces a tough fight getting the Democratic-controlled Congress to agree with his plans to shut down the detention center and move the 240 detainees.
But listen to the Republican arguments and you just have to scratch your head.
There was John Ensign saying the health care was better than most Americans get. Then Sen. James Ihofe of Oklahoma went on Fox yesterday with Neil Cavuto and declared that "there's no place like it, the treatment is good."
But Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby really took the cake this morning on with Joe Scarborough on MSNBC:
Shelby: The Democrats saw the vote coming, should have, and saw that nobody in America wants a terrorist in their neighborhood. That's the bottom line.
Scarborough: Well, the Democrats were so sure six months ago they were going to shut down Gitmo. What happened?
Shelby: Well, they might shut it down. But I don't know why they would want to shut it down and bring terrorists into the United States of America, even into some of our neighborhoods, if they deem them not to be terrorists anymore. That's a dangerous road to go down, Joe.
Evidently, Shelby doesn't believe that when it turns out that some of these suspects are innocent that we should permit them to go free.
And, as Glenn Greenwald says,: "Is there anything the right wing isn't afraid of these days?" (His column on this is a must-read, as always.)
Moreover, Republicans (including Cavuto) are claiming that no one in the USA wants the prisoners. But that's not true. Already, folks in Hardin, Montana, are lining up:
Economic development officials in Hardin are looking at the soon-to-close detention facility in Guantanamo Bay as a possible fix for the jail sitting empty in Hardin.
President Barack Obama signed an executive order Jan. 22 to close the Guantanamo detention facilities in Cuba where hundreds of enemy combatants have been held since 2002. The closure is to occur in a year, during which time remaining detainees must be returned to their home countries or detained elsewhere.
Meanwhile, a 460-bed detention facility sits empty in Hardin. Built by Two Rivers Authority, the city's economic development arm, the facility was meant to bring economic development to Hardin by creating more than 100 high-paying jobs.
While leaders continue to look for contracts to open the jail, which was completed in 2007, people in Hardin have approached Two Rivers executive director Greg Smith saying they have the answer: Get the contract to hold those prisoners from Guantanamo.
Even more to the point, the U.S. prison system is more than capable of holding these people securely. After all, we currently hold some of the most dangerous terrorists in the world in our prisons, and we do it very well.
Exhibit A: Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the first World Trade Center bombing -- along with an early assassination attempt against Benazir Bhutto, and the bombing of an Iranian shrine. He also was the mastermind of the disrupted "Bojinka Plot," which planned the simultaneous destruction of 11 airliners over the Pacific. And yes, he's the nephew of Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.
He is held at the high-security Supermax prison ADX Florence in Florence, Colorado. ... According to interviews from staff at ADX Florence, upon Yousef's arrival at the facility he prayed almost every hour and refused to leave his cell for recreation as he did not wish to undergo the strip search required at the ultra-high security prison. Now Yousef regularly enjoys recreation time from his 12x7 cell despite the strip search.
Are Republicans trying to say that we can't keep convicted or suspected terrorists secure in our prisons? Isn't that an insult to hard-working Americans?
what you suggest we do now to get justice out of the CIA/gop.
Who should we be suppoting now name a few
You know, in the state of Wisconsin where I live, we held German POWs here during WWII. Why aren't all these supposed "patriotic" leaders being called out for this. I mean, they are POWs, this is war. Now, it is OK to just say we won't help out in the war?
IDK people, this country is fucking doomed.
ask your junior Senator why he voted for this?
I suppose you won't be voting for him next year and will supportm a primary challenge, no?
You're fucking joking right? Feingold is one of the only halfway decent senators we have. If you think WI will go more liberal than Feingold you don't know shit.
However, I will email the question.
and as you said downthread, it's better for Democrats to lose so Republicans can completely fuck up the country, so I take it you won't be voting for Feingold.
Feingold under the bus over one vote dude.
BTW he is not MY senator. My senator is Kohl.
he also voted to allow loaded guns in national parks
Oh, and he also voted against reconciliation on cap and trade...that's three.
Feingold and Kohl are both Wisconsin Senators...if Kohl is your Senator, so is Feingold.
But Feingold has also voted for many things I agree with though. Specifically the Patriot act and many labor issues. I don't expect total 100 voting along with my views.
Feingold has been asking for investigations into Iraq and torture for years though. Hows your guy doing?
Also, with the guns in the parks, all its gonna take is some nutjob showing off and the soccer moms will get rid of that law. Quickly.
Yes, it is an insult to our prison system, but wtf is up with the dems? They folded to just about everything bush ever wanted and now they deny Obama this?
These detainees aren't gonna be put in half way houses in American neighborhoods for god's sake.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I think the Dems still think Bush is in charge and are voting like they did for the past 8 years on fear. Can't really blame them. We see so much of Dick Cheney and Newt the past month you'd think they were still VP and Speaker.
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And does anyone understand the logic here? This means that another country is perfectly justified in labeling someone an enemy combatant - proof or not - and hold them indefinitely: no charges, no access to counsel, no right to a speedy trial or to confront one's accusers.
Our legal system has kept worse offenders in check for years. But these schlubs we picked up off the battlefield - the terrorists' version of tea-party attendees (dumb, all rah-rah on religion, and easily led) are So Amazingly Dangerous, why, we can't even let them near our neighborhood.
Disgusting. As long as the Dems knuckle under to fear at every turn, we will never, ever be free of the Bush Administration.
Are they really so afraid that the U.S prisons are so incapable of holding the big bad terrorists that we must all run and hide in terror and quiver under the covers?
The questions is are they really such pussified, spineless cowards or is there a REAL reason that they don't want detainees in U.S. prisons?
votes. Because if they release them to US prisons, it gives the Republicans a tool of fear to use against them in 2010, and 2012.
NOT releasing them, NOT observing our own laws is going to get them my vote?
Some people have resorted to accepting mob rule, if that gets them what they want. They are the fickle.
That's what nations of law are for. bush and cheney resorted to mob rule, by the BuschCo Mob, thereby stabbing the nation in the heart.
Bush and cheney have set the example for the republicans and the fickle to follow. The Nation must set a better example or these people and many more will follow the example set by bush and cheney.
I think the time has come for certain good politicians in high places to think about the country and stop thinking about their careers or their party affiliations or interests.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
afraid they might start telling people what is really going on.(i.e.torture/murder/lies etc). I don't see anyway the gop/dems/CIAeda will ever be able to release them here or anywwhere else for fear of lawsuits and the truth getting out to the world
I'm sure that's what Feingold and Sanders voted for this.
Ya, they are afraid, and they have thought out every depraved scenario they think the 'enemy' might attemp. The brain of the republican has been a seething hell for the last eight years. Maybe they imagine the middle east invading America to help their imprisoned brothers escape.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
This is the day I stop supporting the Democratic party.
This country is screwed. It's been nice America, but when the party in charge won't stand up for whats right, and cowers to the position of a minority party, then you know that the end is near. If the Democrats won't stand up for something like this, how can we expect them to do anything at all? God, all politicians are worthless piles of skin and bones.
This isn't about the party, this is about senators who are scared shitless they will lose their next election. If they keep this shit up they deserve to lose. We can find better dems if we look.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
on the radio every day to beat the shit out of hannity,limbaugh oreilly etc.on the air Show the people how their heros rush hannity and orielly are really just a pack of insane ignorant liars.
Like last night Oreilly said he was middle class,Makeing $20 million a year is middle class?And the stupid sheeple eat it up
The MSM is completely controlled by the corporations. IE right wing. You will never hear, or see anything like that. I also don't give much time to Olbermann either. The powers that be are gonna put the hammer down.
When they're done, O'Reilly will be the new liberal left viewpoint.
The problem is American voters are stupid and we don't have a veto proof majority...yet. They know that CNN, MSNBC, FOX will give the conservatives a soapbox to make Democrats look weak on terror. I know it's been nearly 8 years since 9/11 but people still see terrorism as a major threat. You look weak on terror, you lose elections.
is intended to be a factual statement
you look weak period!!!
And I AM some damn sick and tired of Dems saying they don't have enough votes! They lost my vote in 2007. I did vote for Obama but that was the only Dem that got a vote from me. And I don;t see voting for them ever again. Here in Vermont we have a long and proud historical tradition of putting good honest independents and progressives in office and they will always have my full support from now on.
who voted for this (and the guns/national parks amendment)
I take it you won't be voting for him anymore either, right?
We don't need conservatives to make the dems look weak.
They are weak all by their lil bitty selves.
I heard one republican say that if a detainee is in your state you could be the target of a terrorist attack. How many terrorist attacks have there been at Gitmo these last years?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Bush has been keeping Gitmo safe!
Claire MacCaskill D-MO voted to stop funding. She voted for FISA immunity. The "progressive wonder from Rolla, MO is showing her Blue Dog nature.
Kit Bond R-MO voted to stop funding. This is the guy that compared water boarding to swimming lessons.
America, when will you oust these plutocrats!!!!
These guys would never be released into the neighborhoods. They are not U.S. citizens. They won't get a visa. They either stay locked up or get deported, even if found innocent.
Who would have guessed that the Democrats have been winning elections?
I guess you can't use political capital to buy a spine.
Freedom Fries and condemning the Hollywood Glitterati for being at Cannes.
This will take time to read but well worth it because it lays out most of the great reporting and information the blogosphere has compiled on the whole torture issue.
Vagabond Scholar provides us with a compendium on torture.
Digby said this about the body of work:
"Read it and bookmark it if you are closely following this story, and especially if you are writing about it. It is as close to an comprehensive resource on the current state of the debate, both political and historical, that I've seen. It's excellent work"
http://vagabondscholar.blogspot.com/2009/05/t...
Since Gitmo is such a swell place, I'm sure the Republican Fascist Party members won't object to The Dick Cheney being sent there.
unmanageable we've lost it and it no longer serves any useful practical purpose to people.
The exact cause of every "great empires" demise throughout history.
The toga may as well become the Official Senate Uniform.
In this country, people who have not yet been convicted aren't in prison, they're in a jail awaiting the outcome of their trial or plea bargain.
If these detainees come here, they'll be subject to all the guarantees that anyone else here awaiting trial has: haebus corpus is one example; speaking freely to attorneys; having a right to psychological evaluation and care.
And we can't have any of that, can we? The Truth might out!
"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
The truth about their treatment would make waterboarding look like a S. Hannity tea party. Reid implicated himself if you ask me..
The entire government needs to cleaned out and replaced with people who have SPINES!
Whose side are the Dems on??
NOBODY 2012
obviously.
in y'all's little old country jest a spell or so longer. Hope you Yankees thank your Senators for votin with Big Jawn and Miss Kay.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-content/up...
After this fiasco I'll no longer accept the 'pragmatist' argument made against voting 3rd party (see Nader).
Dems and Repugs are corrupt and morally bankrupt.
Never again will I vote Dem.
Shame on you.
... is now.
I don't want another three years of silence followed by Nader hemming and hawing about running or not, and expecting to just be included in a primary without filing on time.
either big mouthed bigots like Wallace, or self absorbed sanctimonius pricks, like Perot and Nader.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
...between Republicans and Democrats? Sure, just like there's a difference between bullies and enablers.
Here are some ideas that we need to get used to:
1) we are not going to close Guantanamo
2) we are not going to be leaving Iraq
3) we will continue to investigate, harass and remove gay service personnel
4) we will not be prosecuting anyone for torture or any other war crime that were matters of policy (off-policy cases against enlisted personnel will still be pursued.)
5) we will be transferring large quantities of taxpayer money into the hands of corporate CEOs and fund managers with little, scratch that, no oversight whatsoever
And none of this will change if we get the "magic 60" in the Senate. That's a red herring. Harry Reid is already making noises about how 60 is meaningless and how the Senate must operate on consensus (for "consensus" read "doing whatever the Republicans want.")
Remember when we were all told that the solution to these problems was to "elect more Democrats?"
How many more do you need?
The Democrats are not our friends. They're not on our side. They have no intention whatsoever of reestablishing the rule of law or seeing justice done.
Their purpose, their sole purpose, is to enable the Republican agenda by luring progressive votes away from third parties and into a party that will, time and time again, capitulate to the bullying of the GOP.
In years past, they've had excuses for this. All these excuses have worn thin.
a third and a fourth party. This is ridiculous. The Dems and Reps are not listening to the people, only their masters.
NOBODY 2012
... disabuse ourselves of the myth that RICH = SUCCESSFUL = GOOD LEADER. What that really means is 'I'm rich, you're not, you're a FAILURE. You don't deserve to own a business, or a home, or raise a family. You're stupid and need to be led by your betters.'
As often as we tell ourselves 'character matters,' we keep electing people who have the moral fiber of a soggy cardboard box.
made a big mistake by letting Nader be vilified.
They turned their backs on the one person who was putting out the reality of the total corruption and corporate ownership of both political parties.
Obama won because the economy collapsed at the right moment.
Obama won because everybody hated Bush and was frightened of McCain.
But what have we gotten?
3 wars and depending on the day, a possible idiotic confrontation with Iran - or North Korea - one day the evil ones dominating the headlines - the next day nowhere to be seen.
You think you're going to get health care? Tax relief? Jobs? Peace? Civil liberties? Justice?
Before we can do anything about it, at least we have to acknowledge the truth of our condition.
We are still living in a tyranny - with another glib toastmaster as leader.
Rahlm is a dual citizen and he puts Israel's interest before even concidering America's
If I'm not mistaken we already have a middle-eastern terrorist (from the World Trade Center bombing a few years prior to 9/11) in a prison in southern Minnesota and he's been there for many years.
let obama get a definitive plan to make it happen. in my opinion that seems reasonable. i suspect there will be a plan that will get out to the public for approval before another vote on this.
In Thomson, IL there is a state-of-the-art maximum security prison that cost $145 million to build and has been sitting vacant since it's completion in 2001. I'm sure the State could use any Federal dollars that might be thrown their way and maybe the town might get a little revenue out of it also. If it's good enough for American X-class felons, it's good enough for a couple hundred enemy combatants.
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
There's also a town in Montana with a brand new, state of the art prison that has literally been begging to house these detainees.
The way I see it, it's totally unAmerican to deny these people the jobs and economic stimulus their town would receive if detainees were moved there.
Why do these elected representatives hate America? (What the heck, that logic seems to work for the right-wing types.)
Yessir.
Gitmo is staying. Thanks Dems.
The affront to our national honor that is Guantanimo will erode the benefit of the doubt extended to the new president and to the American people.
The war in Iraq - still raging.
War in Afghanistan being ratcheted up. New barracks being built. No declaration of war.
War in Pakistan... what the f-ck are we doing sending drones to drop bombs on "suspects"...
I'm glad that McCain is not president...
But with each passing day I'm less aware of what the difference would have been.
At what point can we jettison the dead weight that's hold our country back?
Let Texas and the south secede!
is just another insane republican.
republicanism is a mental illness!
He's not insane. He's corrupt and self-serving. When people are blinded by ignorance and religion they'll vote against their own best interests. Its no coincidence the most religious and least educated states vote Republican by the widest margins. Those people can be conned and frightened into voting against their own best interests time and time again and the GOPer pols know it and exploit to their advantage.
Estimated annual cost of operating Guantánamo: $90 million to $118 million
$1 billion for construction pretty hefty profit.
Revenue. US$ 18.279 billion (2008) Business as usual.
Because people like me will be tired of the Democrats trying to placate Republicans.
We'll be tired of them voting like Republicans.
We'll go back to voting Green or Socialist or whatever.
The Dems do not understand the concept of exploiting victory.
**** 'em.
or at least Bernie Sanders
At this point, I would rather give the country over to the republicans to completely destroy the country. Then maybe shit will turn around.
This is a prime example why when people wonder why Obama has been careful in some of his plans and compromises. The Dems are scared little babies who give in all the damn time to the Republicans. I have faith in the president, but the Democratic Congress I wouldn't trust with a ten foot pole.
For me to register Independent so that these sorts of Dems can stop embarrassing me? Then I could just deal with being embarrassed for them, which is much easier to shoulder.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
And I will say it again, if voting could actually produce change in washington it would have been outlawed long ago. Both parties will rape and pillage the little people, the only difference being the Dems will be polite when they do it.
other than, "you were right both times!"
rats.
There are terrorists running all over america. They're called neocon republicans!
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
New England's most conservative state rejects gay marriage in a surprise vote
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/20/new-...
Obama executive order #1? See how these chimpy enabling assholes like that!
P.S. Why do these southern GOP senators all look like they just got back from a slave auction? These people are downright creepy.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
The wimpy dems folding like tents again... the have no balls and will be their downfall AGAIN! I'm really sick of these spineless democrats.
If Mars was habitable... I'd move.
they're Republicans, and the Democratic Party is wholly a subsidiary of the GOP. Voters who think differently are deluding themselves.
to be democrats.And you watch a lot of republicans will switch to democrats to get elected pretty soon.Remember Ronald Reagan,Richard Shelby,Strom Thurmen some of the most rabbid republicans used to be dems.
They shed their skin like snakes,What ever it takes to get elected then vote like snakes after elected
After reading the comments and thinking about it I've come to the conclusion that the politicians don't really believe their ridiculous argument that transferring prisoners from Guantanamo to U.S. prisons would put local U.S. citizens in danger.
It's seems to me that the real reason they are against the transfer is that holding those prisoners under normal legal U.S. jurisdiction/laws would put people in the government who have violated U.S. laws in danger of being investigated, prosecuted and convicted.
"We the people" are the real enemy,That's why they have to invent enemies for us.Hoping we never find out who it really is that keeps fucking us
Glenn Greenwald says,: "Is there anything the right wing isn't afraid of these days?"
Uhh, that would be Harry Reed, our milquetoast Senate leader.
Today Olberman had a clip of Harry Reid making perhaps the dumbest comment I've heard from his mouth. This could have been from McConnell or Boehner, or....Bachman! " Democrats don't want terrorist released in the United States." When told they would be in max security prisons, not on the streets, he responds, "They have to be released before they're put in prison". Huh! Olberman Part II: Please find a way to view his interview with the mayor of Hardin, Montana, a small town of 3,400 people in Hardin County, which is the poorest county in the state, one of the 10 poorest in the nation and with an unemployment figure over 10%.
It also has an empty, virtually new state of the art maximum security prison with over 400 beds. The mayor and city council have called on the US government to send at least 100 Gitmo detainees there. They believe that besides the normal prison revenues they would have, it would create over 100 jobs for locals.
Asked if he was afraid that terrorists would be a threat, the mayor replied no, that since the prison was located in the "middle of nowhere", on very flat land, he doesn't see any problem. Especially since the prison was originally intended to house "hard core" sexual offenders.
Memo to Reid and the Spineless Democrats: Here's where you can send 1/4 of the detainees!
It's called Stockholm syndrome, and Harry Reid is certainly a victim. In answer to Glenn Greenwald, "Is there anything that anyone in Washington isn't afraid of?" (Especially not being re-elected.) Make em all face losing their jobs, then foreclosure. Will they still go along to get along? They could be that stupid. We need 2 new parties. We don't need Harry Reid as majority leader.
feel that change yet?
US (You) not strongly supporting Pelosi (allowing the CIA/gop) to discredit her and not demanding she get her day in court.Could be THE reason they caved,So you Pelosi bashers fucked up
And we'll have to keep an eye on you all from now on
Oh definitely. Especially when I listen to Geithner talk.
Were gonna show those corporate fascists now!
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
"Not a Dime's Worth of Difference"--between the Democrats & Republicans!!!
Democrats run away when the chips are down like cowards....I told all of you months ago when Obama welcomed Lieberman back into the party that it was only a foreshadowing of Obama's caving in. Obama is happy that the Senate refused to fund the closing of Gitmo. Obama does not like to take principled stands. He likes to have it both ways and plays his political cards in a very manipulative manner. Obama can claim plausible deniability now and that "the Senate made him [not] do it," even though he heard idiots like Cheney and Rush Limbaugh criticizing him all the time. Face it folks--Cheney and the GOP won here over Obama and the Democrats. Face these hard facts and stop living in fantasy land.
And, yes, again, haha to all of you here at C&L who mocked me a few months ago when I told ya all that I joined the Green Party because the Democrats are spineless. I repeat spineless and incapable of standing up to these Republican jerks!!!!
The Democrats are too chicken to stand up to these Republican thugs. It shows how weak the Democratic Party, even holding the majority over the GOP really are.
The Democrats will not deliver universal healthcare. The Democrats have already caved in to the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy. Obama is keeping the Military Commissions Act. Obama has not repudiated the Bush administration's unilateral defense policy....Obama lied and the Democrats are now caving in like cowards....
You can have the Democrats even though the Republicans are far worse and definite thugs....The Democrats spineless actions allows the GOP to act even more thuggish....
So, keep on wishful thinking that the Democrats offer some kind of "better alternative." The Democrats laugh at their liberal base...and you all need to realize this fast, and stop your denial.
Yes, I joined the Green Party in December of 2008 after telegraphing that the Dems would not do what they said during the campaign.
If you still want to remain loyal to these cowardly Dems, I will not fault you, only, because I realize how thuggish and criminal the Repukes are. But, then again, the Dems enable these criminal policies of the GOP and from the Bush-Cheney era.....
One last thing--don't expect prosecutions of former Bush-Cheney administration officials...I know you all might be quite excited and have your blood pressure rushing to your smiling faces, but the Dems cannot even get Gitmo closed....Okay?
Obstruction of justice and war crimes are impeachable offences.
Come on C&L John,David etc. let's get impeachment talk going
get rid of Holder and put Jesse Ventura in as AG!
F*** Yeah!
NOBODY 2012
That the electorate has some unfinished business.We have to vote these spineless ,bought and paid for,ninnies, OUT!Until we have a Congress that truly represents their constituents,we have to keep pushing and donating to the best candidates.It's obvious to me that "Change we can believe in" IS NOT HERE YET.
Land of the fearful, home of the cowards ... so much paranoia and bad behaviour justified by fear? Citizen's who believe in justice for their fellow man should take to boats and ring Gitmo. It's clear the political system is dead, not that I'm an expert but it looks like that more and more everyday. Nobody impeached, no investigations, banks and corporations insatiably destroying everything in sight and non stop tax payer money flowing straight into the singularity like vortex unopposed. A move to street politics and radicalizing the youth of the nation what is that just a desparate last gasp? Why hasn't anyone tried? 3rd party, well they'd need a crafty leader.
I say now I have no faith that a democratic system still operates in the west. Maybe it has long been just a magnificent myth. What's left beyond dissent in the streets? I can say it's a bit beyond my purview perhaps but taking action may shake people out of a feeling of helplessness. I suppose the biggest pacifier against direct action is the economy. Likely things will continue to get much worse before anything gets better.
And the only "change" you'll have is what's left in your pocket.
I'll keep my money, you can keep the "change."
far right trolls are sticking up for our right wing Dems. Now ain't that just precious.
sure do love them some right wing talking points.
It's obvious that there are things that need to be hidden from the public.
For these politicians to take such a bold stand against one of the foundations of Democracy, -something they must know to be risky politically (-as proven by the comments here), there must be a good incentive. That incentive is to hide the horrors of what has happened.
Imagine, if given a fair and open trial, these prisoners might even reveal things that will make the foundation of the political debate the past years crumble. That must not happen, because it will lead to "societal instability" or whatnot. People tend to react the right way when they know the truth.
are doing their damndest to make third parties viable.
Would you live in country that does not allow private people to own guns, houses the worst criminals in the world, where the US has put into legislature that if US citizens were put into their prisons they would be obliged attack to free them? A NATO ally?
We do in the Netherlands where the world court is situated (The Hague)!! Oops, forgot, we also do not have your version of those gold old wing nuts.
Who would have thought, 16 million "old" Europeans have more balls that those hawkish right wingers. "Chicken Hawks" comes to mind
Obama was willing to take the popularity hit for wherever he chose to put these Guantanomo inmates. As a decision made by the president, answerable to no singular locality in the United States, except in the aggregate. (A hit he can take easily.) So the Congress, in the person of Harry Reid and all the rest of them, decide that THEY want to make the decision, with all the heat that they are going to take from their constituents back home. They never make the argument that they aren't going to release any terrorists to U.S. streets either just the innocent.
Stupid tactics, and very, very stupid rhetoric (except from Dodd, who said the Repubs were dissing our prison personnel. These jerk-offs can't even plan well.
Gitmo the thorn is the side of America, why do these Cowards in Congress have such a fEAR of the Enemy they created. I for one have come to the opinion that it is NOT about Terrorism it is about WRONGFUL prosecution. These Spineless Morons were so busy salivating on the zippers of ntheir major contributors that they have FAILRD to do their job. Again the (RNC) Racist Nazi Committee is leading the charge of I am a COWARD protect me Sessions being one of its biggest cheer leaders
Here is a Challenge for the Gutless Spineless PANDERING leadership shop me One just ONE Maximimum [rison Security break and NO you Anal Retentive fools NOT a ATTEMPT a complete Jail Break of the most Dangerous crimminals. You MORONS can NOT.
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