Why do Republicans hate democracy?

Sometimes you have to wonder what Republicans have against democracy.

Because that's what this whole "voter fraud" foofara is about. John McCain and Sarah Palin and Lou Dobbs and the rest of the right-wing torch brigade that have been after ACORN and the Ohio Secretary of State aren't concerned about protecting people's right to vote -- and in fact, their efforts largely go toward directly stripping citizens of their legitimate voting rights.

Or more precisely, this is all about building a post-election narrative aimed at delegitimizing a Barack Obama presidency by claiming he won fraudulently. It's not just a handy excuse for the ass-kicking they deserve -- it's a whole right-wing conspiracy-theory cottage industry in the making that will nurture their paranoia and rage for years down the road.

This weekend, Sarah Palin was out whipping up a fine froth among the McCainiacs about ACORN's activities:

Palin demanded answers to “unanswered questions about his connections with ACORN.”

The fans screamed “Booo!” at least 10 times when Palin mentioned Obama’s name.

“ACORN is under investigation for rampant voter fraud in 13 states. ACORN received over $800,000 from the Obama campaign,” Palin said. All 13 are swing states like Indiana.

“Booo!” Palin’s supporters shouted. Obama has said the $800,000 was for voter canvassing during the primary election, not for voter registration during the general election.

Palin, of course, is just following her the lead of her boss, who claimed in Wednesday's debate that ACORN "is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy." And we're already seeing the violent results on the ground emanating from this kind of demagoguery.

And it's demagoguery on a massive scale. After all, everywhere that ACORN has been seriously examined -- from Indiana to Seattle, whenever issues have arisen they have been the result of individual canvassers trying to cheat ACORN, not with the organization itself.

And let's be clear: there is no evidence whatsoever that an actual voting fraud problem exists. Just in regards to ACORN, the bogus registrations have largely been flagged and caught. Moreover, there simply is no evidence that people actually register to vote illegally on anything more than an infinitesimal scale.

As Deborah Hastings at the AP reports:

Voter fraud is rare in the United States, according to a 2007 report by the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law. Based on reviews of voter fraud claims at the federal and state level, the center's report asserted most problems were caused by things like technological glitches, clerical errors or mistakes made by voters and by election officials.

"It is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning than he will impersonate another voter at the polls," the report said.

Alex Keyssar, a professor at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, calls the current controversy "chapter 22 in a drama that's been going on awhile. The pattern is that nothing much ever comes from this. There have been no known cases of people voting fraudulently."

"What we've seen," Keyssar said, "is sloppiness and someone's idea of a stupid joke, like registering as Donald Duck."

No, what's been happening instead is that Republican-sponsored "voter purges" have been stripping people of their legitimate voting rights. They show up expecting to vote on Election Day and are turned away, and nothing is rectified for months, if ever.

The Brennan Center for Justice conducted an in-depth study of these purges and found:

Purges rely on error-ridden lists. States regularly attempt to purge voter lists of ineligible voters or duplicate registration records, but the lists that states use as the basis for purging are often riddled with errors. ... Voters who are eligible to vote are wrongly stricken from the rolls because of problems with underlying source lists.

A classic case of this was in the wake of the 2004 election in Washington's King County. The GOP attempted to challenge the registration of several hundred Seattle voters -- and quickly found that its lists had been drawn up based on bogus information. Later, it was discovered that the GOP had illegally modified its voter-challenge forms.

The Brennan Center study also found that voters are purged secretly and given no notice; and that the purges are frequently subject to crude manipulation.

I don't know about you, but I happen to be one of those people who considers the right to vote the cornerstone of republican democracy: the political enfranchisement of the citizen is embodied in it. Indeed, it's a sacred right in a democratic society, one that should be revoked only under the most careful of circumstances.

Now, it is problematic that the few people who do vote fraudulently dilute the legitimate votes of the rest. But considering how infrequently it actually happens, the frenzy into which the right regularly whips itself over supposed "voter fraud" is beyond any proportion to the actual problem.

If you accept the primacy of the right of citizens to vote, then these attempts at preventing ineligible votes have to be as close to perfect as possible; an error rate of even more than 1 percent is too great. Because anything more than that means you're violating the inviolable -- taking away the most fundamental political right of the American system.

What's more telling, perhaps, is the Republican predilection for deriding and undermining citizens' legitimate voting rights. After all, no less an authority than Antonin Scalia himself declared, in the Bush v. Gore travesty, that "the individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States."

No, it should be obvious to any adult observer of the Republican melodrama that they're not serious about protecting people's voting rights. Rather precisely the opposite: Blocking the registration and participation of larger numbers of voters (particularly Democratic-leaning voters) has been a cornerstone of GOP strategy since at least Florida in 2000, if not before (their antipathy to the Motor Voter Law extended back to the early 1990s). It played a significant role in Ohio in 2004 as well. And it was the very engine that fueled the entire U.S. Attorneys firing scandal that brought down Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

In other words, if you're a Democratic voter, or simply from a demographic group that leans Democratic, Republicans are hoping to prevent you from voting at all.

The best part of this scam is that they get to play as though they are the folks protecting your vote -- when in fact they're doing their best to take it away. And when it's all over, they get to use it to fraudulently beat Democrats over the head with it while getting the torch-bearers' flames stoked up all nice and hot.

So why do Republicans hate democracy? Maybe because they are the party of Oligarchical White Privilege. And democracy is about to kick them in the ass.



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Why do Republicans hate democracy?

Because it sounds like the name of the other party?

The right wing sheeptards are sharpening their pitchforks and getting the 23% ready for a diaper wearing cry fest. I cant wait for Palin to get her show on Faux News after she loses her re-election bid in Alaska.

SACRAMENTO -- The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario late last night on suspicion of voter registration fraud.

State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California.

And if that wasn't enough fraud for the GOP, the same firm duped thousands of registered voters into changing party affiliation to Republican by telling them they were signing a petition to increase penalties on child molesters.

Meanwhile, there have been NO arrests related to ACORN.

PEACE

I keep reading about this in the LA Times, but that is really the extent that you hear anything about it. Why doesn't this stick to the GOP?

Why doesn't TrooperGate stick to Palin? Why doesn't the AIP association stick to Palin?

Must be that liberal media again!

Ahhhhhhh!

The ACORN fraud is just that. a made up controversy to fire up the paste eaters who refuse to use their own brains to search out the FACTS. ACORN has done nothing wrong, that is why there are no arrests, except for those who ACORN turned in themselves for turning in fraudulent forms after they FIRED THEM.

There are too many facts proven that ACORN has been fraudulent with voter forms. You and others should be ashamed of yourselves. Statements like yours give Demos a bad name and this is why Republicans call you stupid.

Ouch!

they dont hate democracy as long as everyone votes the way they want them too...soviet-style democracy.

once again; whatever the Republicans are whining about is representative of what they are currently trying to get away with

America loves a Christian war machine. http://www.filthyrichmond.com/2008/10/learn-s...

Patrick wrote at 6:48 a.m.: "once again; whatever the Republicans are whining about is representative of what they are currently trying to get away with."

Exactly! This must be one of Rove's tactics (or is it a strategy?). First you accuse the Democrats of doing what you actually intend to do. Then, when you do it and the Dems complain, you say they're just playing tit-for-tat. I'm glad Obama's campaign recognized it this time and filed their complaint about the DoJ's complicity in *real* voter fraud.

We've already seen that McCain is willing to say and do anything to win this thing; it's sad what he's become: http://brainrageblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/mcc...

Sad for us. He made a choice.

So when the republicans steal this election are we gonna fight this time?

I'll fight!! Just say when and where and I'll be there.

cuz

there's no cheating, stealing nor lying involved. fairness is for the weak!

What has happened to the pics I saw last week of John McCain at ACORN events and where he spoke so highly of their work - not the work where they tear up the fabric of Democracy though. Could some of those be posted again, please.

Also, I have not heard a single mention of McCain's involvement with ACORN whenever Barack Obama's is mentioned. Not forgetting that Mr Obama was acting for this organisation on a professional level in conjunction with the US Justice Department.

Would some 'journalists' please get off their fat fannies and expose these facts instead of earning the big bucks giving so-called 'commentary'.

...because it's not plutocracy, which is what they prefer.

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The Republicans hate democracy because they lost the last two presidential elections.

They stole Jeb Bush's Florida in '00 with the help of FOX"News" and Repub operatives.

They stole Ohio in '04.

The Republicans cannot win the war of ideas because they have none - at least not any that they can admit to in an open forum.

They. Will. Steal. This. Election.

What do we do about it?

..will travel?

mccain is gonna take my state regardless but as my subject line says...

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If they manage to pull what they did in 2000 once again and we do nothing to stop them, then we deserve whatever we get. We must be ready to put our lives on hold and fight for what is right. These guys have wrecked this country, 4 more years of it is not an option.

it seems that the the Repulicans have the corner on that mantra.

Now, they are trying to introduce fear into the election process. In McCains word, the greatest threat to Democracy is being created by "voter fraud!"

And the minions will fear and hate in a crazy-like, rabid-like frenzy at any hint of something wrong with the election process, even though voter suppression, which the Republicans practice is the "greatest threat to American Democracy."

Just who would "Mick E. Mouse" vote for anyway?

If he voted for Obama, the Republicans would justify it, saying it was because both Mickey and Barack are black. Look at the Colin Powell endorsement.

ACORN started in Arkansas (Arkansas Community Organization for Reform Now) back in 1970. It went national years later. It was (and is) about helping poor people. Sure some of the contract workers would rather write in "Mickey Mouse" than walk 37 blocks to fill their quota, but if Mickey Mouse shows up and tries to vote, then and only then is there a problem.

This attack on a poor people's advocacy group is just bullshit!

Fred Clark on this topic, showing once again why he's one of the best bloggers on the internet.

Sample:

"And no, it's not an overstatement or an uncharitable characterization to say that anyone swallowing this ACORN-scapegoating is insane and a racist bastard. This is a baseless assertion that begins with the argument that poor people and black people are the powers that be in America -- that they run the show. That's insane. It's laughable on its face to anyone not infected by the voluntary mental illness of old-fashioned American racism."

People ARE drinking this particular brand of racist nonsense. It spills over into the widely held Wingnut belief that the Financial Crisis was caused by too many liberal assisted loans to poor minorities. That's right: the whole world economy almost ground to a halt because of the Awesome Economic Power of America's ghettos. It's HARD to stay that CRAZY.

They are merely setting the stage to delegitimatize an Obama victory thereby swelling the ranks of the militia movement thereby leading to domestic terrorism by "Americans" against their fellow citizens. Republicans do not believe in "democracy" only raw power.

They hate democracy because if it were allowed to work the way it is supposed to, they would lose.

BINGO! We have a winner

Thank you so much! Do I win one of the big Teddy bears on the top shelf? How about a pony? I'll settle for chocolate cake.

Republicans love America (their version), but hate the Americans that live here.

We can defeat hate with hope.

Here's how:

Hope Defeats Hate in 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfZxP3hOCcc

The Repukes, if they could would establish a Soviet style governement.
Free elections=only as long as you vote for us.
Free speech=only when spouting Repuke party line.
Free market=hahahaha another Repuke fiction.

When McCain made that comment about ACORN during the last debate, it reminded me of all the other times he has just spouted uninformed shit. You know damned well he doesn't believe that, just as he doesn't really question Obama's motives due to his vague association with Ayres.

The poor old guy is just flinging himself around like a ball in a pinball game. When he bumps into something he just spins off into a new direction. Today doesn't connect with yesterday for him and tomorrow isn't yet on his radar screen.

As for Palin, if she believes half of what she says, she's dangerous as hell. If she doesn't believe half of what she says, she's a political prostitute. Giving people, in this case McCain basest base, what they want to hear in return for votes can be called nothing less.

It's an orchestrated attempt to steal the election.
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200810170676

As long as it's set to music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy413CbNVSM

Hey; i was gonna say all that! (i was too busy registering)

If

I get a ballot with a republican running unopposed, but there's an opening for a write-in candidate, and I write in Homer Simpson, am I guilty of voter's fraud?

you're just guilty of homer-love!

OK

Homerotica.

D'oh!!

The GOP since the '70's built their party on hate, racial unrest, economic warfare and playing to the lowest common denominator.

When was the last time that they spoke of real progress, outside of decrying the so-called loss of endless wars? In 28 years of rule...what have they built? What progress have we made? Has science REALLY advanced? Where are the alternative fuels? Where are the real solutions to global warming, population growth, food shortages. Shit, since the age of deregulation was started we have seen drugs rushed to market without full testing, we have seen food quality decline, we have seen public mass communication undermined. Just WHAT has their "free market" created??? Less safe air travel? Decaying roads and bridges? Decaying public transportation? The inability of government to address natural disasters? The loss of millions of Americans' wealth by "free market" driven investments in 401Ks, IRAs and mutual funds? Increasing healthcare costs and declining public access to healthcare?

Ohh..but they've got lots of flag waving and demogoguery...yep...that nonsense the GOP supplies in huge sums...while also turning one American against another.

Think about it ..

The Republican Party was FOUNDED on a wedge issue - slavery.

They DID let Rupert Murdoch into the U.S. in the 80s. He's done his best to destroy television AND journalism in this country in the intervening years. However he DID set the ball rolling that resulted in the creation of 'The Simpsons' - and I consider that to be a good thing. That's the only good thing that has come from Conservatism that I can think of, though, and I've actually spent a fair amount of time thinking about the subject.
Our country and planet in shambles, 11 Trillion in debt and all we got in return was a long running network cartoon. File under: It'd Be Funny If It Weren't So Sad (and True).

The GOP hates us for our freedoms.

David Neiwert: And let's be clear: there is no evidence whatsoever that an actual voting fraud problem exists.

WRONG !!

Signature-gatherer arrested in voter fraud

ONTARIO, Calif.—The owner of a signature-gathering firm has been arrested on suspicion of voter registration fraud, authorities said Sunday.

Mark Anthony Jacoby, who owns the firm Young Political Majors, is accused of registering himself to vote twice— in 2006 and in 2007— using the address of a childhood home in Los Angeles where he no longer lived.

The Secretary of State's Office said Jacoby used the address to meet a state requirement that signature-gatherers sign a declaration stating that they are either registered to vote in California or are eligible to do so.

State investigators and local police arrested Jacoby shortly before midnight Saturday near an Ontario hotel on a warrant issued by the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office earlier this month.

Jacoby faces four felony charges: two counts of voter registration fraud and two counts of perjury. Voter registration fraud carries a penalty of up to three years in prison. Jacoby could not be reached for comment.

This is not the first time that Jacoby has been embroiled in voter controversy.

Earlier this year, dozens of voters accused YPM, which had been hired by the California Republican Party, of tricking them into registering as Republicans. The voters said they thought they were signing a petition calling for stiffer penalties for child molesters.

Typical Republican tactics - accuse the Dems of doing what the Republicans themselves are doing !!!

And they passed out a flyer explaining the difference between Democrats and Republicans after signing. Those were what the YPM used to "explain" why they weren't perpetrating fraud.

"Vote early and vote often." Attributed to Huey Long.

Lots of dead people and non-English-speaking Hispanics voted LBJ into Congress for the first time in 1948; this is well documented.

Tammany was also a voter-fraud organization. No way that ACORN is perpetrating the first fraud case!

Less voters means bigger wins in the upside down world of the GOP.

The mere thought of a black man as President keeps these hateful "Americans" up at night. They will lie, steal, kill, do anything to stop Obama. Racists have historically broken the law(Brown v Board 1954, Civil Rights Amend. 1964, Legalized busing, 1973, etc.) by their own bigoted obligations to save themselves from minorities. Look at their rallies, fear and hate is all that's there....issues or the Nations future doesn't mean shit to these folks. "Country first" is code for "Stop the black". Let's stop the bullshit.....this race is about race.

Paul Weyrich explains the R's hate of democracy in less than 30 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

Question is why is the media playing into this sham outrage by the R's about ACORN, which they are doing to deflect attention from their own election fraud activities?

More important now is that if Obama wins, there may be investigations that could send a lot of repugs to prison, including Bush and Cheney. If McCain wins, pardons for everyone.
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200810170676

A great, albeit despicable, incentive for the neocon wing of the republican party to thwart democracy.

I support Obama but, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for democrats to hold repugs responsible for anything they have done. If Obama wins and democrats get control of congress, this country is in such dire straits that there will be know time to be looking back. I'm afraid bush and his thugs will skate into the sunset.

If reslugs could catch dems in anything, no matter how irrelevant, they'd do exactly what they did to Clinton again. It wouldn't matter how completely pointless and stupid the charges, they'll dig until they bury everyone including themselves in the dirt just to have the opportunity to say they were right.
On the other hand reslugs commit crimes against democracy and when it comes time to pay the piper they scream that dems are wasting time and money and use ridiculous reasoning like "Nobody wants to drag this out any longer." and "Let's not waste tax payers money" and the big fav "This is no time to place blame." [for them that time never comes].
And the dems will shrug their shoulders and say "Ok."

The reslugs could commit genocide and I expect they'd whine for a decade about the 'strongly worded letter' they'd get in response to it.

the GOP and republicans are liars and crooks... they'll say anything to forward their lying and stealing. ANYTHING!! Hell, they'd sell their souls, just look at McSame and Caribou Barbie...

It is now, this November 4th. We need to have a margin high enough to stop the whining that will surely ensue.

Pissed Off Patricia This is for you.

OH my goodness!! Is that you? Is that Bangkkok? Just wow! I hope you say it is you. Cause if it is, it's exactly the way I picture you.

the real problem is the Electoral College. Even if there's a landslide in the popular vote, the Repugs can (AND WILL) mess up the voting enough in just a few states to affect the Electoral College numbers. It's obviously happened before.

Having a real "democratic" vote - one person one vote - and using the count of Total Votes Cast in the entire nation as the basis for determining the winner is a step in the right direction. As it stands now, it's much too easy to rig the votes in say Fla, Ohio, PA or other high electoral vote states and walk away with a win.

After this election, and when things settle down a bit, we should put our energies into fixing the entire election process/system.

Did

You get that long nose from your mother's or your father's side?

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The list of names that ACORN turned in did in fact have many rediculous and obviously fake names. That is true and a simple fact.

What they did not tell you was that those names where all flagged by ACORN itself as questionable and that ACORN is required by law to submit all the names collected. That includes Micky Mouse or Donald Duck. These names are an indication that ACORN followed the law, not that anything was done wrong by ACORN. This part is deliberatly left off to misslead people.

What about Obama filing a request for an investigation into the adminstration working with McCain with reguard to Acorn. WHy is this not in the news?

I didn't see it before but I do now.
I wondered exactly how the reslugs were going to steal another election with the vote so skewed in Obama's favor already. You can't claim a popular vote when you haven't got a hope in hell of even tying your opponent.
No the masters of stealing elections are just going to do what they've been doing this entire election cycle. Use the dirty tricks but all the while claim it's your opponent who's actually doing them.
"We're not smearing anyone, Obama is."
"We're not stealing the vote, Obama is."
So when Obama wins the reslugs and their army of idiot biggots can get the ball rolling on their "Impeach Obama" campaign.

It's really difficult not to hate these people.

OT: I'm sorry. I just read that the US Government is giving the museum of Bagdad $10.000.000. I thought that just last week we had crisis in America. WFT?

I'm not sure I'm too upset about that, since we allowed the looting of priceless artifacts from that museum in 2003. I'm sure those artifacts were worth much more than $10 mil.

The Green Zone is for looting and unlooting only. Please use the Green Zone only for looting and unlooting.

Touche!

Douche!

I can't wait for this to be over. I am so sick of all the lies, smears and racist crap from the necon, right wing, racist haters of democracy. The next two weeks are going to be ugly and I hope I don't throw something threw my TV before then.

My Wife and I were just listening to a stream of Limbaughs latest disgusting meme.

There's a LARGE segment of this society that just can't shake their racist, ignorant views. They'll hate on Obama regardless of how effective his is in office.

I hate to tell you this, but the lies, smears, and racism have just gotten started.

After Nov. 6 it's going to ratchet upward, not downward.

The Bill Moyers Journal last week had an interview with Mark Crispin Miller the author of LOSER TAKE ALL: ELECTION FRAUD AND THE SUBVERSION OF DEMOCRACY 2000-2008 in which he discusses the various ways the Republicans are trying to subvert democracy and create a one party system. I urge you to go to PBS.org (http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10172008/wa...) and watch or read the transcript of Bill Moyers' interview with Miller.

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Bill Moyers has been on hiatus in my area for about two weeks now, last week for the senator debate.

It's simple and obvious. Republicans simply can not win on the merits of their platform.

The ONLY way for Republicans to 'win' elections is to rig the outcome. They did it in 1980, when Bush senior was made President (with Reagan acting as front-man). They did it in 2000 and 2004.

Electronic voting machines are a boon for the GOP. Designed and programmed by hard-right extremists, they guarantee that all votes made on them will be fully controlled by GOP operatives to make sure that Republicans will always win. And the best part about it is that they can blame the voter!

Republicans HATE freedom, just look at the anti-freedom legacy of the Bush Administration. Republicans HATE open and free elections that they can't control. They hate accountability and responsibility, they HATE the Rule of Law.

In my small town of 600 citizens we still vote on paper and they are hand-counted at the end of the day. Our Secretary of State is demanding that all towns start using Diebold optical scanners so that they can be programmed to defraud the election and let the GOP steal elections here. The larger town to our north is using them for the first time ever in this upcoming vote. The Town Clerk simply has no clue that computers are rigged by the programmers (and they are all GOP operatives).

Our Secretary of State is a Democrat that refuses to believe that the GOP would stoop so low as to rig election machines. She refuses to acknowledge the media reports and the election-watch organizations that have unassailable proof that all electronic voting machines are rigged. She gets her info from the Diebold salesmen who say it's safe, and that's good enough for her.

I will go down to the Town Hall and help count the paper ballots this year, because, as a far-left Liberal, I love America (unlike the Republicans that HATE Freedom), and want this once-great nation to return to our previous position of respect and standing in world affairs, and to correct the egregious evils the GOP has inflicted on the whole world.

If that's the SOS's position, she's either not really a Democrat(a Lieberqisling Dem or a corporatist) or she's on the take. She would otherwise have to be braindead to believe that these voting machine companies have any trace of integrity.

Because hate is the glue that has bound their party together for the last few decades. They can't hang their hats on fiscal conservancy, they can't hang their hats on honesty in government or any one of hundreds of other shortcomings that they are guilty of.

All they've got left is the hatred that they share. It's their lowest common denominator.

Over the weekend, I found This LA Times article about YPM - Young Political Majors - and their apparent habit of tricking people into either registering as Republicans or changing their registrations to Republican. Now this is something that - unlike the non-existent people "registered" by the duplicitous ACORN contractors - can actually have an impact on an election.

On the minor end of the scale, it can cause the GOP to look like they're increasing their membership, and that can increase donations, publicity and support for their leaders, to interfering with the Democrats GOTV efforts by getting names taken off the Dems votors rolls, which can lead to Democrats not getting phone calls or other communications from the part. In addition, some people have found that they were now registered as absentee voters and if they show up at the polls without the ballot that was to have been mailed to them, they won't be allowed to vote.

And its not just in CA that there have been pulling this stuff. The article lists a few other states where problems have also been reported.

But, yeah, registering non-existent people who will never show up to vote is SO much more of a problem.

The part of the story about ACORN tat is censored by the MSM is this:

ALL registration cards are required by law to be handed to the state's election officials.

If ACORN has a card that says "Mickey Mouse, 1 Main Street, DisneyWorld" they are required to give that to the Secretary of State. If they do not, THEN they are breaking the law. So the MSM is knowingly allowing the GOP pundits to get on the air and demand that ACORN violate the law by withholding registration cards that are obviously incorrect. The MSM is actively censoring the news by allowing these GOP liars airtime and by not refuting their blatant lying.

ACORN has NEVER done anything wrong, ever. All police raids or investigations are fraudulent.

For example, in Nevada, the ACORN office there was raided by the state police. This was after ACORN had set aside the registration cards that were incomplete or obviously wrong, and handed them in to the Sec of State (as required by law) with a cover sheet that clearly said they felt these were not good cards. ACORN then attempted to contact the Sec of State regarding these cards, and got no answer. The Sec of State made several requests for more info from ACORN, info the State's office already had, but ACORN complied by submitting redundant copies anyway. This happened three times. And after all this, the ACORN offices were raided anyway, despite their full compliance with the law.

Out of the 1.3M registration forms ACORN has submitted, far less than 1% of them were questionable. A far better track record than GOP outfits...

Never surprised by the NeoCons, the nerve of them, to claim the ability to read minds. They are playing the race card and trying to drive a race wedge in this country. They held him in high esteem but once he speaks his mind, gives valid reasons for his decision, they say it is race based. Nonsense. Watch and forward the political short film/ad McCain does not want you to know the answer to? Can you solve the theorem…”The Thinking Man” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KzbJtG9V2E

San Diego is Republican controlled. My old district used to be run by Randy Cunninghman up until a couple of years ago when he was sent to jail. So what did the voters in my Republican district do when they had the choice between up standing, long-time local, Democratic Party candidate and an old-time Republican lobbyist who had already been thrown out of Congress in another district and had to use his mother's address just a couple of weeks before the deadline to submit his candidacy in my district? They elected the Republican lobbyist to replace the Republican criminal.

I moved to Europe this spring. In August I sent in for my absentee ballot - didn't get it (my wife did). So I sent in another request on October 1 and explained in a letter that I was following the procedure on the U.S. Embassy web site which says you have to request an overseas ballot from the Registrar of Voters of the state and county where you last lived. No ballot.

My wife is registered Republican but she will vote for Obama. I am registered non-partisan.

I'd like to know the statistics for the precentage breakdown for overseas voters. I bet that the large majority vote Democrat.

On the embassy web site, there are provisionary ballots that can be used if you don't receive your ballot in time. I will have to use that.

But I am so mad at these Fascist Republican counties that do everything they can to limit overseas voting - which I'm sure overwhelmingly vote left, and low-income voters - same. Screw San Diego County.

I'm sorry to say that. I hate them and I the Republican party. I have never been a Democrat and, like I said, I am currently registered non-partisan. I was a Republican for 25 years and got out when I saw the Republicans were running baby-Bush in 2000. I believe America must fix the immigration problem - it is a sovereignty issue as well as an economic issue and has nothing to do with racism. The right is wrong for being pro-immigration because they want the cheap labor and the left is wrong because they do not realize that to save the world, we have to save our nation first. But beyond that issue, I vote overwhelmingly left. I am embarassed to have been in such a corrupt, hypocritical, intellectually limited, political party. I hate political parties. A third party would be a solution to counter the current two corrupt parties running the nation. But if you have to pick between the Democrats and the Republicans, hands down the Republicans are worse. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Rove, Libby, Wolfowitz, almost all of the Republican leadership and all the Democratic party collaborators should be sent to prison.

So much for Democracy in America. It is a Fascist State. Face it. Call it what it is.

This is the only way the Republicans think they can win, steal another election. One thing's a safe bet, Obama will likely not bow out gracefully if it should appear that McCain wins by a slim margin. The country is already divided. Folding your tents and moving on in the face of defeat is not going to change that. Remeber, Edwards was rolling up his sleeves for a tussle in 2004 while Kerry was busy surrendering to Bush. Never again.

My mom, God rest her soul, was a registered Republican ever since the Tom Dewey and Robert Taft (the elder) days. In our NoKY precinct, currently represented oh so ably by Goof Davis, Republicans typically draw upwards of 85% of the vote. After she died I tried to get her name taken off the rolls. Couldn't do it. I mean, I did exactly what I was told to do - but it never happened, despite assurances that it would be taken care of. So she's still registered to vote, from the grave. I bought her house from her when she went into the nursing home before her demise, and I continue to get Republican love notes to her at (now) my address. I figure, what the hell, every flyer they send me is one less somewhere else. Screw ‘em.

and send mcLAME and pALIN back to whereevertheheck they came from!

Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department late Saturday came after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by people employed by YPM. The voters said YPM workers tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.
- Today's LA Times

[sound of media crickets]

Because if everyone who wanted to vote was allowed to, there would be no Republicans in office. They can only get elected by cheating.

make no mistake the elections over , mccain won, the race is tightening , cnn says so, two elections stolen, a third stolen elections in the bag, its been decided you think they havent set us up, he he even a blind man can see thier ready for you, make sure your wearing dog tags with your blood type religon if any and name say thats what dog tags are for, blood transfusions and what kind of funeral services youd prefer,

The original LATimes article last week said that Mark Jacoby's company, YPM, has "registered" 70,000 Republicans nationwide. The Calif. Repub. Party is paying him $7 to $12 a head. This works out to between $490,000 to $840,000 if other states are paying at that rate. This should be publicized on national TV (Olbermann needs to know). Other companies involved are "JSM, Inc." and Arno Political Consultants.

The psychopath accuses the victim of the crimes s/he commits. This borders on neurological certainty from a clinical perspective of the condition. The loudness of their complaint provides a rough indicator of the volume of their crimes.

Greg Palast does a good job explaining how the 2008 election has already been stolen. . .

MI Republicans Admit to Illegal Foreclosure Scheme, “Surrender” to Democrats
By: emptywheel Monday October 20, 2008 8:58 am

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/20/...

This ACORN business is a crock... So I'm to accept that this registration process is 'FROUGHT' with illegalities even though the facts show what... 'infintestimal evidence?'.... And that's like what? 1 in 1000? 1 in 10000, 1 in 100000... what exactly does this mean other than pretty damn small and scant evidence??? But this is such a boogieman that the right and Ms. Hockey puck, the Alaskan harpy is stirring up her usual shit over it all.... Meanwhile, they offer what as alternative??? Well, there's their good old buddy DIBOLD, ESS and a few others with their thouroughly discredited, totally hackable electronic voting bullshit.... And this flim flam crap was suppose to modernize everything right??? Err, except it didn't did it.... Isn't that the real scandal we've just spent the last four, or has it been eight years wading thru??? I know the right and the repubs was touting that junk far and wide.... They touted a completely corruptable process for electing politicians... And now I'm suppose to give a shit when they spend all this time and energy to discover what amounts to a electoral pimple.... As opposed to the electoral cancer they favored.... Sheesh, not flyin... Wake me when it's time for me to go to the polls.... I don't need the smoke and mirrors anymore. I know what I need to do to weigh in and do my bit to save this nation... And it ain't just me... I ain't the only one fed up with repubs now.. It ain't just me ready to bitch slap the piss out of the ol GOP with my vote for what they've done to this nation, its economy, its infrastructure and its culture... And what they continue to do by way of their same old shit!!! JD

just like in 2000 and 2004!

http://www.bradblog.com/

Pffffft! That's an easy one!
Because they're really fascist theocrat fucktards who think the Democratic Process is an undue burden on their plans to rule the world.
That...and and they couldn't win in a fair election.
And they're assholes.

Why do republicans hatge democracy? Because their way of thinking and ideological standards are no longer supported by an overwhelming majority of American citizens. But because the voters and people are just as image-based thinkers, and just as idealistic (as well as the media) have created a narrative that America is a right-wing country, that anything considered moral or valued is the sole property of conservativism. And for some reason that I can never understand is rural voters are the main thing propping up conservativism despite getting LESS out of it than anyone else. THey believe that everything they like and support is "conservative values" and so vote regardless of what the party actually does or stand for.

But when the majority of people, and reality based thinkers, think about actual issues that affect them and their lives, they support left-wing issues and policies. But they vote against their own interests and then blame liberals and democrats when things don't work out the way they had hoped.

One could also make the arguement that Republicans hate democracy because they hate government. Their sole purpose of running for office is to gain power and destroy government. Politics is the only job where people are given a job they claim to hate and want to destroy. But government IS democracy. Government is supposed to run the country for the people, how the people want, because it isn't possible for the people to run it themselves each and every day. So we elect representatives. People have forgotten this and now think of government, not as their voice and representatives who run the country, but as something totally seperate. That also explains all the hate voting that goes on. Voting NOT for who best represents you and your beliefs, but for the person who complains the most about government, or who hates government the most...or hates who you hate.

But someone seriously needs to ask these people who are anti-government, how you have a democracy...a truly free country...once you have killed any chance of ever getting your voice heard? ANd yet these people and their supporters are destroying our democracy, claiming it is because of some higher moral purpose, and then calling anyone who stands up for demcracy and justice and truth and honesty as "anti-AMerican." Someone really needs to force these people to take a look at themselves and ask if those things are anti-AMerica...what do they think pro-AMeric is? Destroying it and everything it stands for?

Do you really wonder why Republican's hate democracy?

Republicans have always feared/hated democracy. If we had democracy (if everyone voted) there's no way we'd have ever had a Bush administration and no way that McCain would even be in the race. In fact, Obama would be the Republican candidate, because a Democrat would be much more progressive. Republicans do not advocate for issues important to people (except rich people), they are advocates of corporations. The success of the Republican party has been to suppress voting and to make many people think like "Joe the plumber," i.e., that what's good for corporations and rich people is good, Christian, and American. Total BS, in other words.

You know in my district you go to the polls and poll workers greet you. They only allow I think two voters inside the building at one time. The poll workers know almost everyone that comes through the door. You sign the book beside your name, go behind the curtain and vote. The same poll workers from opening till closing.
I don't know how I or anyone else would vote more then 1 time. Unless you cast an early ballot but even then I bet it would show on the poll workers registration book if you had cast an absent T or such.

Is that what you call it? Is that where, in order to register to vote, you are asked to provide the party you will vote for? What happened to secret ballots and votes? Who one votes for should be their own business.
Between that, Diebold voting machines, Right and Left(right/wrong; withus/againstus;)divisions, your(US) version of democracy is so broken that any claims to be the "leaders of the free world" are laughable. Funny, that IS what the rest of the World is doing. Granted, the economic mess you've created is affecting the planet, but you can bet your last freedom-fry that the "new" world economy will NOT be US-centric. Bye bye US civilization-as-you-knew-it.

They probably hate democracy, because they are terrified of the idea of liberty and freedom. The people who are orchestrating or supporting this move to suppress the vote are all right wing authoritarians, in varying degrees. Fear is the overarching factor of their lives. They are afraid of life, death, all that is different and all that is unknown. It is the bent of their personalities. They believe in the illusion that life, and the events of life, can be controlled. They believe in their guts that if the unpredicatable can be controlled, the unknown eliminated and any potential for change thwarted, they will be safe. At their cores, I think the thing that frightens and terrifies them the most is facing the prospect of death in their personal lives. The fantasy that life, and the events of life, can be controlled is a way of convincing themselves on a very deep level that they are immortal, that death will never touch them. Their is always, and without exception, an element of deep desperation in the way that right wing authoritarians fearfully attempt to go about the business of controlling all about them, or how they go about obeying those authorities to which they submit their wills. The most fearful of the type are the socially domineering, strong right wing authoritarians...they are the ones who invariably end up being the despots and tyrants. If they happen to also be sociopaths or psychopaths, they tend to be totally consumed by their impulse to exercise control. For them, power is the holy grail. Possession and exercise of power is the inner being's way to keep the night terrors at bay.

Democracy, if it is true, is unpredictable, inherently an agent of change. It is a means of including the "other". It inherently requires a measure of willing surrender, in that it requires one to let go of the impulse to control, to impose one's will over others. It requires that one make oneself vulnerable by trusting in the outcomes of what is currently unknown. Democracy requires that one ratioanlly confront fears, and then toss them aside. Democracy is the means of letting loose into the world everything that the authoritarians fear most deeply. Of course they hate genuine democracy, they are incapable of any other response.

Look at the people who are doing this. They are trying to keep out the "other"...the nebulous boogeyman. They are attempting to exclude any influence from cultures they don't understand, cultural influences that they are, in any event, too fearful to ever make any attempt to understand. They want to maintain control at any cost, because loss of control means an eventual date with the unknown. It is all about fear and loss of the power to avoid the things they fear.

Fearful people, especially when incited by fearful but also malignant personalities, will do fearful things: eliminationism (for example, voter disenfranchisement campaigns), genocide and tyranny. This is one of the reasons that the MSM must be seen for what it is. Its chief stock in trade is manipulation for purposes of control, and the principal tool it deploys in order to achieve its manipulations is fear. The harm that the MSM is doing our democracy is incalculable. When I consider what it is going to take to fix things, it seems obvious that - in so much as such a thing is possible - it will be necessary to allay the fears of the fearful. In order to do that, the FCC is going to have to be restored to integrity, and the propaganda organs that are the MSM will need to be called to accounts. They must be compelled to abandon their role of manipulative fear merchants.

As an aside, I'm going to take as a good sign the GOPers' attempts to deligitimize the election based on easily rebutted claims of voter fraud, because it tells me they have acknowledged that they will be unable to plausibly steal the election through voting machine fraud, as they have done in the last two elections. Let them raise the argument, post-election. Then let the full wieght of the government be brought to bear to investigate the charges, in a fully bipartisan manner. Just make sure that the investigators also fully investigate all charges of electronic voting machine fraud in all elections since 2000, too. Give the investigaotrs the power to refer all discovered crimes to federal grand juries. Then let the chips fall where they will. It ought to suffice to lay the issue to rest.

Have you ever found a religious extremist who _didn't_ hate Democrcay, rights, liberties, and freedoms?

I have to wonder if Americans are so much sheep that they would stand for a phony McCain/Pail "win" (read the post about Greg Palast to understand). Would there be a "blue state revolution" to overthrow the government if the election is stolen, or will Americans resign themselves to it? Or will George Putz use military force to ensure succession from himself to McCainchurian?

It's called mob rule. They wanted only qualified people to be voters. Now look at what we have. Morons who vote for the candidate who gives them the best pay off. And corporations that have free speech and the right to 'vote' by way of buying off politicians.

Remember subby. This is not democracy. It's a republican form of government. Read the constitution it says exactly that. If there were a consistent metric to keep morons from voting and corporations out of the process, I'd be all for less democracy.

Saw the inimitable Mark Crispin Miller speak in Baltimore last Thursday, he addressed this very question, said it ultimately comes down to abortion. The right's logic: as long as democracy wins, babies die; therefore, the GOP is justified in stealing elections in order to eventually pack the Supreme Court and stop the "killing."

An any-means-necessary justification, of course, from people who would be far happier in a theocracy than a republic.

The U.S. has one of the lowest participation rates of all democracies.
Rethugs are attempting to purge rolls and claiming that ACORN is conducting fraudulent registrations.

Best solution is compulsory voting. This, and a myriad of other problems with elections would be resolved.

Every citizen has to vote. It is not just a right, but a responsibility. It does work.

Well, h'yeah. Partly why I've declared myself Independent after voting dem since 1968.
What really, truly pisses me off is that the only thing dems are good at are pointing. Great at pointing at the thieves pulling off unprecedented hiests in broad daylight for oh, 8 years and counting.
Oh yeah, the descriptions are precise right down to the last speck of dust.
Robert Kennedy went public with all this stuff FOUR YEARS AGO. Only now we have a comic book to go with it to spread around the WORD (with a donation bid for $100 bucks of course for the download).

Words mean NOTHING people. What we need to know is who's been prosecuted and brought to justice? No one. What laws have been been legislated to stop this widespread shit? None. And, as in the last two elections this one too will be stolen (19% voter roles purged here in Colorado all likely dem voters of course). while we watch the thugs do what we are accustomed to see them do. Steal an election with no consequences. Who let them do it? Democrats and Independents everywhere. Limpdicks all.

But what have they DONE to prevent this from happening. Nothing. Just a lot of yammering about how the next election will be stolen.

The only thing that will give us back the Whitehouse is Dumb Luck and a landslide that overwhelms the thug efforts. Do ya think they'll do anything to change the laws even if Obama wins by a landslide? Fuck no. The same wide open window will stand open with the wind blowing in for the thugs when 2012 arrives.

We discuss in great detail what the thugs are doing TO us. I'm not expecting dems to get out of their addiction to being bitchslapped any time in the next few decades.

http://michiganliberal.com/showDiary.do;jsess...

"LANSING –An agreement announced today by Obama for America, the Republican National Committee, the Democratic National Committee, the Michigan Republican Party, the Michigan Democratic Party, the Macomb County Republican Party, the Macomb County Democratic Party, and plaintiffs Duane Maletski, Sharon Lopez, and Frances M. Zick protects the voting rights of foreclosure victims.

The settlement acknowledges the existence of an illegal scheme by the Republicans to use mortgage foreclosure lists to deny foreclosure victims their right to vote. This settlement has the force of law behind it and ensures that Republicans cannot disenfranchise families facing foreclosure."

This is embarassing because Mr Weh is from here (ABQ, NM). This guy is a extreme far right wacko. I know that we progressives talk about the far right all the time, but Weh is definitely extreme far right-one of those Col. Sam Flagg types that has never left the battlefield!

He is of course accurately noted in this clip as one of those who pushed for David Iglesias' firing due to his not going after Demos as per the Republican Party plans.

It is really sad. There are more than a few of these extreme far right wack jobs running for Senate or Representative. Ed Tinsley and Steve Pearce, being the two worst. Tinsley recently was awarded a "Worst Person In the World" Olbermann.

Knowing personally how far to the right these people are, this story is not surprising. They will stop at nothing to try to get Republicans elected-even making false claims of voter fraud.

We need big numbers for Democrats in the election turn-out. The only way the Republicans can win is by vote flipping. They did it before with voting machine help but they can only win in small margin victories. If the vote is 50/50, they can pull it off. If we pound them 75/25, they can't use the machines to steal another election.

Search for Clint Curtis on Youtube, he tells of writing software for Feeny.......to steal votes during an election.

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