Chris Matthews Takes On The Lunatic Birther Movement
Chris Matthews highlighted this nutcase birther at a town hall with Rep. Mike Castle (R-DE), questioning Obama's citizenship and forcing a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. It's unfiltered crazy in action. In the 1990s, the media took these fringe scandals regarding Bill Clinton and gave them a platform and some credibility, seeping them into the mainstream. You can draw a through-line from the out-there lies of the extreme right like the alleged murder of Vince Foster and the Clinton impeachment. Some in the media, like Lou Dobbs, continue to do that today, legitimizing the birther movement. And several far-right Congressmen have co-sponsored a bill to require Presidential candidates to provide proof of US citizenship. Today on Hardball, Rep. John Campbell, who thinks Atlas Shrugged is non-fiction, tried to dodge the issue by claiming that this is merely a technical bill to ensure Presidents meet the requirements of office in some official capacity, but Matthews was having none of it. He called it a "crazy proposal" and tried to peg down Campbell on whether or not he believed Obama was an American citizen. It took him all of 10 minutes to finally say he believed Obama was.
MATTHEWS: Congressman, nice try. But what you're doing, it's a nice try, and I'm laughing with you only to this extent, because I know it's a nice try. What you're doing is appeasing the nutcases. As you've just pointed out, this won't prove or disprove whether Barack Obama's a citizen. By the way, let me show you his birth certificate. That's the way to deal with this. Mail this birth certificate to the whacko wing of your party, so they see it and say, "I agree with this, it's over." [...] you're verifying the paranoia out there. You're saying to the people, "That's right, it's a reasonable question whether he's a citizen or not."
Campbell squirmed and shuffled, first saying that Obama was an American citizen "as far as I know," (Matthews responded: "As far as you know? I'm showing you his birth certificate!") and then eventually saying "I believe he is."
Now, I don't remember Matthews being so insistent about "appeasing the nutcases" back in the 1990s, when he had Paula Jones on his shows, and Dan Burton, and the Arkansas State troopers, and every other two-bit huckster peddling juicy gossip about "Slick Willie." But clearly the atmosphere has changed, at least for Tweety. The birther movement has become a bridge too far.
Never mind that the Senate went so far as passing a unanimous resolution that John McCain, born in the Canal Zone in Panama, was a natural-born citizen. Democrats resolved the issue quickly; Republicans will raise questions and put out clarifying legislation and just put it "out there."
It just shows you how diverged the conversations have become in this country. Democrats are debating how to tackle health care and whether a public option works best and how best to get costs under control, and the right has become fixated on the idea that Barack Obama's family faked his birth certificate 47 years ago, knowing he would run for President eventually and need a cover story.
He looks like a used car sales man giving his best pitch.
(no offense to any used car salesman here)
is intended to be a factual statement
, he's selling bottled crazy!
I've never seen change without a fire
...and Boehner's bronzer. He's wearing some now to show how natural it looks....along with his natural bleached teeth.
clearly are abusing it. They should find a shade of bronzer closer to their skin color and use it to highlight certain areas, like cheekbones, not look like they got a spray-on tan like child beauty queens get down south! :P
I've never seen change without a fire
He looks like he fell in a vat of Kiwi.
The congressman owned a Saturn dealership in Orange County.
always wanted to do that. on the topic: you could produce jesus himself swearing on a stack of bibles that the b.c. is real and these mental midgets wouldn't be convinced. they believe what they want, no matter the evidence to the contrary. that's the great thing about their idiot "theories:" the lack of any evidence to support them IS the evidence for these dinks. SEE ALSO: 9/11 "Truth," JFK, fake moon landing, etc. retards!
and had blond hair, this wouldn't even be a question. There has never been a question about a president's nationality until we elected someone with a funny name who's half white. This is a ridiculous canard by a bunch of stupid, gun loving racists. Why is this just coming up now? How obvious can these idiots be?
what the America they want to see looking like. Evidently nothing darker than a peachy shade. Sickening, isn't it.
I've never seen change without a fire
i guess republicanzi want an all white theology as opposed to the secular democracy.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
that all of these people at least sympathize with "Christian" Identity ideas...
I've never seen change without a fire
Racism is the machine that's driving this whole birther insanity.
It's absolutely disgusting.
for a guy named John McCain,who was born outside of the U.S. It wasn't long ago that these fucktards were hot to change the constitution so that "AUNAULD" could run for President. Light makes right in the GOP.
scared me, especially the way she got all the other zombies doing the Pledge of Allegiance.
I've never seen change without a fire
Sieg Hail.
It's actually pretty scary. Tweety had to explain to this freak what his piece of legislation was really implying. At first he refused to say he believed that Obama is a citizen until he realized what a dumb shit he was looking like. My favorite part was ...
"Now Chris wait, wait...."
is intended to be a factual statement
beginning to form. It wouldn't surprise me if Castle had felt nervous for his life at that moment...Honestly.
I've never seen change without a fire
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rage towards him, and from what I understand he is not coocoo enough for them...
I've never seen change without a fire
Here's a quote from something they quoted from Red State: "So Mike Castle, the guy with the shot to take Joe Biden’s seat, was out a couple weeks ago doing a town hall on health care reform. Now, Mike Castle is terrible on this issue, and we will have to certainly hold his feet to the fire in order to keep him from voting for Obamacare. Frankly, Mike Castle is terrible on a lot of substantive issues, and will require constant cajoling and encouragement from conservatives to stay on a decent path. This town hall could have been an excellent opportunity to engage in some constructive shaping of Castle’s platform. Instead, a bunch of jackass clowns showed up and turned the entire affair into a YouTube cause celebre for… the birther movement:"
So evidently the rank and file wingnuts feel he's not good for them, and the Birthers dislike him that much more. :S
I've never seen change without a fire
As a Delawarean, I'm embarrassed that this happened here. Castle is definitely not part of this wing of the Republican party. He looks horrified at these people. They don't call southern DE 'slower' Delaware for nothing.
To see Castle break down so publicly and profoundly was a horrible embarrassment, I thought. He completly lost control of his own event by allowing a few whackos to step all over him
Now we can see why Reid can't get anthing done -regardless of how many Democrats he has.
With Harry, it only took one whacko -Joe Lieberman - and he lost control of the entire Senate.
kind of what's happening to the GOP in general. Not a pretty sight!
I've never seen change without a fire
Actually I think it's beautiful.
http://www.jafafahots.com
This is what happens when the moderator, in this case Mathews, sticks to reason and the knowable facts - when he does not play the corporo-republicanzi propaganda game that 90% of the talking heads play.
It's over. For the republicanzi the last act is over, but the MSMzi is too close to them to recognize that fact.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...Bobby the page Jindal was against stimulus before he was for it.
http://jed-lewison.dailykos.com/
They are all whacko. It's unbelievable. they are coming out...
Worse is yet to come, but they got be flushed out in the open.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
you do not receive the original birth document from the hospital with the finger and foot prints.
You receive the actual document Chris was showing.
Do they realize this.
Are they looking for the actual birth document.
I heard the birthers questioning why it was not signed by his doctor.
Can you imagine the Republican party after 3 years of Obama Derange Syndrome.
This is just crazy.
Ya, they will question everything and wave their arms because they live a lie.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
That Dubya Stole "Outright" Two Elections! The Republican Party is Dysfunctional from the Neck up.
And out in every direction
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I've never seen change without a fire
He brings nothing back to the district, votes the party line. He's voted to bail out car companies and says he's not an ATM. CD-48 needs to elect Beth Krom to Congress (www.bethkrom.com)
Mike Castle: I got nothing to say and I'm going to say it again and again no matter what you say, proof? I don't need your stinking proof, I want to see proof, not proof, don't insult us.....*and he wackadoodles off into the sunset to bring more harm to America
and more money and power for himself, at everyone's expense.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
how about klowns. we have many important issues to solve and this klown is giving red meat to the hateful klowns. the same klowns that also need healthCare, jobs and foreclosure help. trust me if there's a public option healthCare plan/system, these klowns will be using it.
And scum like Lou Dobbs, who is no better than Glen Beck, facilitate them. And get away with facilitating them. How could a network like CNN let him do that. I understand Faux but CNN is not suppose to be that bad. It just isn't. (I know, I know)
Dobbs is the typical douche that uses this garbage as "reporting" trying to bait other idiots to hang onto it for dear life. If it gains traction, he will come right after pretending to have some doubts, but doing the dirty work or spreading these lies using his surrogates. In the end he is just a journalist reporting and giving everyone a chance to speak their minds. For those who can see right through his crap, he is the obvious: an asshole.
Ya, he calls it reporting - joke - and then dishes out misinformation.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Lou Dobbs is a fish out of water.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
but, I watched the whole segment, and he absolutley turned that moron from CA inside out.
let's hope he doesn't lapse back into worshiping scumbags because they fit a preconceived notion.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
i do like how he finally got that dink to admit that obama was a citizen. it took him a while cause he really didn't want to say it but he did. if this was a reversed and it was a liberal screaming like some nut at her congressman this is my impression of a republican heckling that woman:
STFU and get your ass back in the kitchen and bake me a pie!
Late,
QSE32
I'm birthing tea bags!!
..is the new normal.
Diana Krall, Elvis Costello and Willy Nelson sing "Crazy." (YouTube)
"In theory theory and practice are alike. In practice they are very different."
I love that song.
are terribly embarrassed ovet the present state of the WING-NUT FRINGE. Problem is that they don't have a CLUE when it comes to explaining the short-comings of the Bush-Cheney eight-year fiasco either... so they FEAR Obama because he's SMART and POPULAR... and they FEAR the political DARK CHASM into which they are tumbling.
How fascist can you get? I know fascist is overused these days, but if demanding a public proclamation of your allegiance is not fascist, I don't know what is.
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I've never seen change without a fire
I like how many really enunciated "justice for ALL" when they are clearly trying to deny justice, lol. they claim he's not a citizen based on what? an internet email? you'd figure an internet birth certificate is easier to fake than a real one and yet they believe the internet...amazing
Late,
QSE32
I don't get his pathetic explanation (Chris, Chris....)on the bill he wants to present. I was on the impression that you're supposed to be a natural born citizen to be POTUS. So there's no need for a new law..
Right ?
showed that prove he was born in Hawaii, so the Birthers are trying to keep other "furigners" (read: People of Color) from becoming President after Obama "pulled a fast one" on an unsuspecting public...
I've never seen change without a fire
"It just shows you how diverged the conversations have become in this country. Democrats are debating how to tackle health care and whether a public option works best and how best to get costs under control, and the right has become fixated on the idea that Barack Obama's family faked his birth certificate 47 years ago, knowing he would run for President eventually and need a cover story."
So I guess John Boehner's grandstanding in the House isn't relevant? They are debating health care and they are beating us right now.
Don't write off the wingnuts just yet, I think we're getting too complacent by the occasional birther or truther.
showing lunatic repugs, whether Pols or just folks, I think of Ron White (a comedian who appears with Foxworthy, the Cable Guy and Bill Eng-something on Comedy Central reruns of their stand-up routines).
At the end of each of his little funny stories he always says:
"You KAIN'T FIX STUPID!!!"
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
I have mixed feelings about him, but when he's good, he's REALLY good.
Great job, Mr. Matthews.
The fact is, NOTHING will satisfy these whack-job birthers. Nothing. Obama could produce a birth certificate that conforms exactly to what they expect (whatever that is--yellowing around the edges? Smudged live birth stamp?), and they would denounce it as a fake.
The birthers are like this "moon landing denier" freak that Buzz Aldrin punches in the face. Not even a punch in the face will make idiots like Alan Keyes see the light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ez-NpFVwQw
Ha! I've heard about that but never seen it. Looks like ol' Buzz got a pretty good right jab for a feller his age.
That is fucking BRILLIANT. Thanks! Made my day. :DDD
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
You know, Hawaii isn't "real America" like Georgia or Texas. It's out there in the Pacific Ocean, it's sort of exotic, native Hawaiians are darker skinned than the "real" Americans. I think it's just too much for the birthers, a black president from the state that seems the least like the southern states they so prefer. If Obama had been born in Arkansas, or South Carolina or Utah, they could accept it. You know, a "real" state.
They'd just come up with some other reason why he's not acceptable. It's nothing to do with whether or not he's American. The trouble is he's black and he's NOT ONE OF THEM. Since neither of those are conditions that officially preclude his presidency, they gotta trump up any ol' thing.
It's amusing, when it isn't so fucking pathetic.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
"He is not an American citizen. He is a citizen of Kenya" - crack smoking birther
How can birthers be so sure he's from Kenya? Wouldn't a birther require a Kenyan birth certificate for them to believe that?
Their little minds will be blown if you allude to the possibility that there's another birth certificate out there somewhere for them to disbelieve! :P
I've never seen change without a fire
OBAMA IS AN OUTSIDE JOB !!!
OBAMA IS AN OUTSIDE JOB !!!
Im almost reluctant to give the whackjobs any ideas.
And several far-right Congressmen have co-sponsored a bill to require Presidential candidates to provide proof of US citizenship.
And what proof would that be, exactly? I mean, seeing as how they don't accept birth certificates as "proof of US citizenship."
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
These Republicans and right wing nuts continue to blow my mind even now ! NOTHING is too low , too absurd or out of bounds for these assholes , they have no shame ,they have no conscience , none . It's just sickening that there are so many stupid and ignorant people in this country these days , I mean what kind of pea brains vote for and support jackasses like this guy ? The thing is that this guy is not unusual but a typical and " normal " Repug . Crooks , shameless liars , absolute low lifes add an ignorant and flat out stupid people , that's a recipe for disaster , they've almost destroyed this country already and they are not done trying yet .
I don't have an opinion about Obama as a person in general or as a leader.
Politics in general have left me flummoxed the last 12 years or so.
Can't say I've trusted anyone in a long time.
Pointedly, though, there are some interesting things to discuss about the birth of Obama.
One thing is that his own grandmother joyfully told the story of her being at his birth. In Kenya. Not a made up story. She cites the date of August 4,1961. And declares it was in Kenya. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4FqVRWgrNw and here : http://thearizonasentinel.com/2009/07/07/obam...
Does your Grandma know where you were born? Generally, i would guess she does.
Also the Birth certificate provided had no seal on it. Does that matter? Uh, YES. Someone has to certify the birth of someone. There is no notification on it of any kind. The other interesting thing is that the certificate provided was that of a person born ABROAD. Hawaii is not ABROAD. That's a fact shown by the document that used to be posted on Obama's own webpage (deleted from White House website in December of 2008, along with all related posts). Also, why did he attend school in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro . There are those who say Obama was named after his father. Not the case. The school records state that his fathers' name was LOLO SOETORO. While the 'Birth Certificate cites daddy as the namesake. It's all on the paperwork.
It does not matter if you're left wing or right. If a question is posed to our president that person should be obliged to answer it. If it is in relation to his ability to lead our country. Why is it we should allow Obama to not lay this out plainly when we screamed so hard at the son-of-a-b*tch Bush for lying bold faced to us all of the time. If there's a harmless explanation for the lack of presenting those documents then please let us know. Otherwise, we would be ignorant not to question his authority to lead. Every AMERICAN citizen MUST present ID when it is demanded. I would not get away with presenting an incomplete birth certificate. Lots of websites are going to throw different info at us on this. In fact, i don't know what's true. But, i am not going to allow myself to swallow any one story from any number of sources until i can see the evidence. Is that too much to ask? Obviously in some places it is.
Know that i am not saying he will be a bad president. History may just show that he was one of the best. But why allow a simple to produce document like this to hurt his reputation. Show us all that he is trustworthy. We voted him in because we thought he was. Now, because of a piece of paper, that view is being trampled on.
There are at least 400,000 American Citizens wrapped up in over a dozen lawsuits asking this simple question about his birth. Why not shut them all up and answer it. If 400,000 plus people take the time to get involved in this kind of a lawsuit, you can be sure there are millions more around the world who have great concern over this.
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/GetReal/comm...
We are on the edge of serious world change. Especially on the World Economy. We need someone so up front that we have no reason to doubt him/her. We need Obama to be that person.
Lastly, compare a 1960's Hawaii birth certificate with the one that was offered by Mr. Obama :
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pag...
No questions? Well, then i guess you are satisfied. Move along. Nothing left to see here.
I can hear the cuckoo clock in your head! Dude, go peddle crazy somewhere else. We here at C&L are part of a reality-based community.
Nut. Job.
deleted, and the birthers ridiculous post left up?
Certain Republicans are trying to give these lunatics legitimacy because it's just one more way they can attempt to discredit Obama. They know they're are enough knuckle draggers out there who will believe this stuff, no matter what you say or proof you produce.
It's a matter of fact that these people are fucking insane!
republicanism is a mental illness!
The proposed birther bill is not about Obama in the same way that the Gulf War was not about oil, or the Civil War was not about slavery.
on this segment...
the way Matthews jaw dropped with incredulity while that insane repub just kept flappin his jaws while not really saying anything was classic!
And these birthers...they are truly crazy.
I'm talkin butterfly net and straight-jacket type crazy.
If I EVER meet one of these morons, I think I will go all Buzz Aldrin on their punk asses.
I have to agree. These birthers are batshit crazy. This is what the Republican party gets for dumbing down America. We all know the real issue is race because these nutbags have seen the copy of the birth certificate. There is nothing that Obama could do to appease these birthers because the truth is they hate having a black man in their white house.
Chris Matthews nailed it when he said "this is about Obama running again in 2012" and Campbell responded with an affirmative by saying "this is about moving forward". So that's the plan. Now we know. Good job, Chris.
I despise Chris Matthews regardless of what he does or says. He should not be trusted or, for that matter, trusted.
I don't even believe him when he says he was born in America, either.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
The same old leftist propaganda. That "document" the puppet and Obamalover Chris Matthews is holding up is a forged "certification of live birth" which is a document that the state of Hawaii issues or used to issue to anyone living in Hawaii that requested one for their baby regardless of where the baby was born. It is not a long-form, certified birth certificate which is issued after birth to someone born in the U.S. Obama refuses to show his long-form, certified birth certificate because he doesn't have one having been born in Kenya. He has paid a team of lawyers over a million dollars to help him suppress this, and it has paid off because the left-wing media is falling in line behind him showing this ridiculous document which even lists his father's race as "African" which is not a race but a nationality. His father's race would have been listed as negro in 196l, if, in fact, Barack Obama, Sr. is even his father. We don't know for sure because Obama will not show his legal birth certificate which would be an easy thing to do to put an end to this controversy if he had one. Even if he was born in Hawaii, which is doubtful, he would not be a "natural-born" citizen of the U. S. because his mother was not of legal age and his father was a citizen of Kenya. Both parents have to be American citizens at the birth of a child for the child to be considered "natural" born. He would be at best "native" born which does not meet the eligibility requirement for president according to the U. S. Constitution. But, since when, do you people care about the Constitution? Your guy is going against the Constitution with everything he is doing! He is now a dictator while you leftist fools are still worshipping him.
wow, where to begin...
Go back to school?
He's not a dictator. He's a democratically elected president. He has a specific agenda that he is able to push through congress because there is a democratically elected congress and senate that are both democrat at the moment.
To suggest that this is wrong is to go against democracy? I suppose you would rather the black democratic president disappeared and we brought in a white republican one? Well the election didn't work out that way and to suggest to go against democracy is well... totalitarian.
So just admit it, you wanted the attention right?
btw, I'm Canadian and I spend my days poisoning your internets...
Since you are Canadian, you have no vested interest in this. We are the ones losing our rights. He did not run as dictator but that is what he is becoming thanks to idiots like you who continue to defend him. We are a republic, not a democracy. We are supposed to have a rule of law which he is not following. We are being run by "mob" rule with him and the democrat congress in the majority. They are running all over the constitution just like that guy in Honduras. But what do you care? You spend your time on American news sites laughing at Americans that have real concerns about their future as free people. Read the Canada Free Press if you don't believe me.
was shredding our Constitution?
We were losing our rights a breakneck pace.
You have MASTERED the art of projection.
Obama's trying to fix it. And racists like you just can't STAND the fact that we have a BLACK man in the WH...and you're using this birther BS as a cover for that racism.
I'd like to hear what you think you've lost since Obama was elected.
Yeah...that's what I thought Theo...you got nuthin.
Trust me, as a neighbor to your north, I have a huge interest in what you nutjobs are doing because your idiocy spreads up into Canada via the redneck gateway (aka Alberta).
So far, what we can see is that a certain number of Americans become completely delusional, willing to throw away their constitution the moment they elect a black man with a name that isn't "Johnson", or "Bush".
Republics and Democracies are not mutually exclusive. YOU as in the American voting public elected the guy. It wasn't even close enough to have the supreme court apply the "Iranian/Floridian fix" to the election. So stop your embarassing yammering about the birth certificate. I mean, what will be the expectation? To have his birth certificate handed to every nutjob birther so they can personally review it? Even if they did, it would simply be dismissed as a forgery anyway. Your own elected republicans think you're full of crap. How much more marginalized can you become?
"mob" rule? As opposed to what? Minority rule? Oh I know! Like apartheid? And you call him the fascist...
born on this planet?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
regarding your "birth"...but the rest of us are reasonably certain we're of Terran birth.
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but those of us born on Tara will never leave and as God is our witness, we will never go hungry or without handguns again.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
as long as you promise not to wear dresses made out of the curtains...anymore...
between a republic and a democracy. What is 'wrong' with a democracy? How is Obama failing to follow a 'rule of law'? And, why weren't you whinging when the Bush administration was decimating our rights?
Have you considered seeking professional help? You might want to wait until the health care reform is passed, so that your treatment is more affordable--sounds like you'll need a long term intervention.
US Code:
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I >
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
So if his mom grew up in Kansas, then he is a citizen. Period.
Unless there is an update to the US Code, then that is the law of the land. I'm sorry for you because this really seems like a juicy thing to get all frothed up over.
So even if he was born in Moscow at the height of the cold war, he'd still be an American citizen.
is not an outlying possession; it was a state at the time.
is not an outlying possession; it was a state at the time.
he could've been born on the moon and it wouldn't matter. His mother is American, and therefore he is an American. His grandfather fought in WWII (for the Americans), so she wasn't some first generation American.
That is just the way it works, sorry crazy birthers, but if this is your argument, then you will need to block entry and passports to all the children born to service women (in particular) who live overseas.
I've seen McCain's Birth Certificate from the Republic of Panama online; the City of his birth, listed on his birth certificate, has never been part of the Canal Zone.
Donaldd
I see the Birther nuts have shown up with the usual lies and distortions.
FACT: the government of Hawaii says Obama was born in Hawaii!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_...
And there are witnesses to Obama's birth in Hawaii.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcer...
And his Kenyan grandmother said later in the same interview that he was born in Hawaii, NOT Kenya.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...
When you read the interview it's clear that Obama's grandmother said that SHE was present in Kenya when Obama was born, NOT that she was present in the delivery room when he was born.
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was gonna go by and see where he was born.
(two male voices in background in foreign language speaking at the same time. Mrs. Obama or another woman in background.)
VOICE (background): It was Hawaii.
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Hawaii.
BROTHER TOM (background): Hawaii, yeah?
VOICE OF MRS. OBAMA OR ANOTHER WOMAN (background): Yeah.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (background): Yes.
TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (to McRae): Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii.
MCRAE: OK.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/upl...
Birthers: Insane or just liars??
yes...my answer is yes.
Hilarious watching him lie and make a total stupid Ass fool out of himself.
after I went to bed!
I've never seen change without a fire
The birthers claim that the certificate Matthews was waving is not the "long form" with an original signature signed by a doctor with an official government ink stamp. The certificate shown by Matthews is merely a copy by the State of Hawii'i certifying that he was born there.
Bottom line: why doesn't Obama produce a copy of the actual long-form certificate with an original doctor's signature and stamp?
My theory: Obama doesn't want to. If he were to produce such a certificate, the birthers wouldn't be convinced anyway. They'd just claim it is a CIA "forgery"..or something. Also, by keeping the whack-job Republican base riled up, that turns off the moderate swing voters who are essential to winning elections. For most voters, the proof Matthews shows is enough.
Any other theories?
Sorry, but you guys are the ones being led around by your tin-foil hats.
So, i get to ride on the caboose of the train and let you guys run it into a brick wall.
Ones who feel that it is now no longer a good thing to vet authority. To question it. To make sure it is everything it appears to be.
I guess i should've expected that. You lefts are no better than the rights. The rights pull in scum and (s)elect that for 'resident' of the United States'. And, the left tells everyone to 'Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.' when they are in charge. Even Ron Paul was a lunatic. Some fair ideas, but no meat to his politics, just grumbling and complaining. I live in the middle of people who have lost the desire to care about facts. But, and if this weren't the case i wouldn't be so verbal about individual people, the folks around here certainly haven't lost the desire to insult anyone who disagrees with them. Even someone who bears evidence backing up their disagreement. So,if there is to be any real 'conversation' around here that might solve something... please help me see where this information is wrong. Look at it. Don't put blinders on because you think you have to. This is not about my politics, but that argument is used against anyone with this question in their hearts to immediately discredit them with insults.
The question is there. And, no chubby, blonde 'entertainer' like Chris Matthews can wave a piece of paper around and answer all of those questions. There's more to it than that. So, if that's enough for you, then you don't even need to be here. You're already an integral part of the system. And, you like it. If that's not enough to tell the whole story, then let's look into the rest.
By the way, most people do not believe the Hawaii 'live Birth' Certificate was a fake. Most believe he WAS born in the state of Hawaii. Just not born as a citizen of the US. The school he attended required him to be a citizen of Indonesia. Let's start there. That's a big question. Why a different name on his School paperwork for both him and his father. Did his mother remarry? Folks would like to know. Let this be the first forum to explain and help people to see something more than the mainstream media lets them see. Maybe then we can see how foolish all this 'birther' stuff is. Please. Not meant to be asked in an insulting way, but 'please' help the people who want to know. Oh, and is it so hard to believe that the Grandmother told the truth initially and then was corrected by the family because that would cost her Grandson the American election. I mean, she's passed on now and we cannot ask her again. It's sad that she's gone. But, isn't that awfully politically convenient? Please consider the ideas. Not the conspiracy theory that Grandma was put down by political hitters. That's just a terrible afterthought of the kinds of things politicians are capable of to hide secrets. You know, like the poor Dixie Chicks when they unveiled the whole 'Bush is from Texas' thing. Bush wasn't from Texas. He was a New-Englander from Maine. The Bush administration worked so hard to paint him as a cowboy that they were forced to shut down a very talented band to keep the lid on the Texas lie. Anyway, i digress. Please consider the school paperwork and the different name.
Thank you.
Choosing to believe conspiracies over plain facts is a personal choice I suppose.
I think if conspiracies are the way to go, the burden of proof needs to go into your court.
I'm going to copy from Patriot chick:
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I >
§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; This is where Obama fits based on the criteria above
1) Your own post indicates that most people believe he was born in the United states. We can agree on this correct?
2) We can agree that Obama's mother was a US citizen?
3) We can agree that Hawaii is a state in the Union?
4) Given points 1-3, and the fact that this is pulled directly from the law
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html
The only legal argument birthers have is if Obama was born outside the United States. If you're saying most birthers believe that he was born in Hawaii then this issue is a non issue.
I suspect, if explained in this manner, birthers would cease to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii because the birther movement is not based on facts but the desire for this man to not be president.
Back in the early 60's it was common for Hawaii to issue birth certificates to foreign born residents of Hawaii. The certificate that Obama produced is a short form certificate that only certifies a brist certificate is recorded and on file.
Until we see the actual birth certificate with the hospital and doctors signature, we will not know for sure where he was born. Many foreign born residents of Hawaii hold these certificates.
Other problems I have encountered regarding this issue:
On June 7th, this website reported that the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu posted on its website
a letter on White House stationery dated January 24th (since scrubbed), in which Obama wrote, "As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center -- the place of my birth -- I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters" -- even though Obama himself has previously claimed to have been born at Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, a claim backed up by his sister Maya.
Until June 7th, even United Press International (UPI) and Snopes.com contained statements that Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu. Here is a screen capture from Snopes.com that says, "Barack Hussein Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center." Today, Snopes.com claims that "Barack Hussein Obama, was born on 4 August 1961 at the Kapiolani Medical Center." Snopes claims they made the change because Wikipedia made the change.
Also,
Obamba says he was born at Queen's Medical Center:
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/UPIFirstS...
Obama says he was born at Kapi' olani Medical Center:
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/UPIThenSa...
These are 2 screenshot of the same UPI article which was changed by UPI
The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) served officials at Occidental College with a subpoena to produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the 1980's, because those records could document whether he was attending as a foreign national. You see, Mr. Obama attended the school on a scholarship -- and there are questions as to whether the financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. The Obama attorneys have bent over backward to block us. He doesn't want anyone to see those records. He's STILL trying to hide them; those financial records STILL have not been released.
I thought that pic reminded me of something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz43waikWL0
If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?
It is rediculous that John Campbell is focusing his efforts on this non sense.
If you want real representation in CA48 it's time to take this follower out of office.
Beth Krom is running for Campbells seat in 2010. Visit BETHKROM.COM to donate or get involved in bringing sensible leadership to Orange County.
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