Patriots Come Out To Texas Pro-Secession Rally: "We Hate The United States!"
By dday Tuesday Sep 01, 2009 5:00am
Protesters at an event in Austin, TX yesterday just took the vile rhetoric we've seen on display this August one extra step:
"the protesters had Larry Kilgore, a “Christian activist” and candidate for governor who has endorsed executions for homosexuals; Debra Medina, a Ron Paul Republican and a slightly-less long-shot candidate for governor; and Melissa Pehle-Hill, yet another fringe candidate and a member of a self-appointed “citizens grand jury” investigating Barack Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro."
Kilgore captured the sentiment of the mob. (video here)
“I hate that flag up there,” Kilgore said pointing to the American flag flying over the Capitol. “I hate the United States government. … They’re an evil, corrupt government. They need to go. Sovereignty is not good enough. Secession is what we need!”
“We hate the United States!"
Just a lone nut, I guess. Except the Governor of Texas, Rick Perry, flirted with the secessionists a few months ago. He didn't attend this protest, which I guess is a positive step.
But this has increasingly become the Republican base. A group of people who feel completely justified in chanting "We hate the United States!" I seem to remember being told that I hated America and I was "on the other side" and "in league with the terrorists" because I didn't agree with an unnecessary, illegal and ultimately disastrous war. I don't have tape of myself from every day in that time, but you can trust me that I never chanted "We hate the United States" in front of a state capitol building.
Note, too, the lady who used the phrase, "the tree of freedom is occasionally watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots," a quote from Thomas Jefferson, often misappropriated by extremists and the Patriot movement. Timothy McVeigh was wearing a T-shirt that bore this inscription when he was arrested for murdering 168 people in Oklahoma City.
What the report reflects is a reality that law enforcement trying to deal with domestic terrorism in America must confront: Their subjects are thoroughly American; many of the people drawn into these movements are, if anything, "hyper-normal." Their version of "patriotism," for instance, is so extreme that they actually hate not just their government but their fellow citizens -- in essence, their country: because, you see, it has been "perverted" from its original purposes.
The hyper-normality is a kind of intentional camouflage. The Patriot movement, and militias in particular, were a very specific and intentional strategy adopted in the 1990s by the white supremacists and radical tax protesters of the American far right -- and the whole purpose of the strategy was to mainstream their belief systems and their agendas. The tactic was to adopt the appearance of normal, "red-blooded" Americanism as a way of pushing out the idea that their radical beliefs are "normal" too.
In the process, they often adopted time-worn "patriotic" sayings and symbols, such as the "Don't Tread On Me" flag Beck wears, as their own -- though with a much more menacing meaning. If you've seen that flag at an Aryan Nations compound, as I have, you never quite look at it the same.
This is why the meaning of Thomas Jefferson's quote above is quite different for them than it is for you and me. To all outward appearances, it is just an expression of avid patriotism. But to a Patriot movement follower, it means something potentially deadly.
Patriots who use the symbols of American history while claiming overtly to hate America. This would be something good to ask Dave Neiwert about on Tuesday night in LA.
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We vote yea to having Texass secede.
Who's next, Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, Oklahoma.........
I hope so. Then we can build that border wall with no gates or doors in it.
their wishes and kick them out of the Country that flies the flag they hate so!
No seceding ---just go else where---Mexico won't have them --maybe Honduras!...They are a frightening small group...No one would miss their stupidity!
Not 'patriots' in any sense of the word!
loves the smell of burning american flags in the morning..
they go to Somalia to feed the starving people there. And I do not mean by bringing food with them.
I wouldn't wish them on Honduras or any Latin American country. Latin America has enough problems with right-wingers as it is, and these are just the types to be in favor of the slavery and death squads that have plagued Latin America.
were agreed upon when they joined the union, Texans were given the right to secede. Do a majority of Texans want to go? Fine, let them. And, when the U.S. government pulls out all of it's investments of federal money from Texas and removes or destroys all federal property (military bases, NASA, the interstate highways, airports, ports, etc. ad infinitum), when the U.S. government exercises sovereign dominion over U.S. territorial waters in the gulf of Mexico that include offshore oil resources, and when Texans who want to remain as U.S. citizens leave the state - taking their assets and skills that contribute to society with them, Texas will collapse into finacial ruin and become the third world backwater. I think that they would find that Texas needs the U.S. a whole lot more than the U.S. needs Texas.
I'm replying to your post because it's the first of many insulting Texans because of the actions/attitudes of a few nuts. I'm not picking on you.
On 9/11 the USA was attacked, not just the cities/states where the planes struck. My fellow Americans were killed, not "people from other states".
We say the pledge to the USA first then to our own state.
If you wish to pick on someone, pick on the American haters that unfortunately happen to live in my state and don't offend those of us that love the USA.
I don't always agree with them but I love my fellow Americans.
I think I distinguished between the nuts and those who aren't. Everybody here realizes that it's only a few people, and nobody here is trying to insult the People of Texas.
I have no idea why my post followed yours and looks as if it was directed at you
One of those America haters is the governor of your state whom, I presume, was elected by a majority vote.
Frankly, if the majority want out of the US so be it. Let Mexico invade and take it back. You're welcome to move north if you choose.
Due to the mumber of candidates. Please feel free to try to justify your irrational hate again...
Where do people get the idea that Mexico is going to invade? Do even supposed liberals believe the right-wing lie that Mexican immigration is part of a plot to reclaim the Southwest for Mexico? And are you really so ignorant of power dynamics as to think that Mexico has a military powerful enough to invade even one state of the US? They don't.
n/t
It's just rhetoric to some, but some Americans are so misinformed as to actually believe it's a possibility. I have yet to hear anyone say that the claim, rhetorical or not, is ridiculous.
Rhetorics is a systemic logical way of presenting views, otherwise you're talking spin, propaganda, oratory etc.
rhet·o·ric (rtr-k)
n.
1.
a. The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.
b. A treatise or book discussing this art.
2. Skill in using language effectively and persuasively.
3.
a. A style of speaking or writing, especially the language of a particular subject: fiery political rhetoric.
b. Language that is elaborate, pretentious, insincere, or intellectually vacuous: His offers of compromise were mere rhetoric.
4. Verbal communication; discourse.
it's a Nixon era word. Sprung up overnight. Some smartypants journo must have found it in an old dictionary, brought it up, and it spread through the Nightly News and the Sunday talk shows like wild fire.
It wasn't used during the Johnson times. They used the term 'bullshit' instead, I believe.
They are simply repopulating until the terrotory falls like a ripe apple into their lap.
Why are Texans the only people held responsible for their obnoxious wingnuts? Every other state has them too but suddenly because 200 loudmouthed assholes show up at the capitol, I'm no longer welcome in the United States? Yeah, there's "logic".
is your governor! I'm sure Mr. Perry wouldn't be making such comments unless he felt like his feelings were shared by a mojority in the state, right?
He was elected with 35% of the vote. NOT a majority Mouth!
It was closer to 40%. IMO, that has nothing to do with the question, anyway. I just can't believe the governor of a state would make such a comment if he didn't have reason to believe he had the support of the majority of his constituents! And, besides that, where are all the sane, rational Texans speaking out against these morons? I don't hear many of them making a fuss against this nonsense?
The number isn't out of line with Bush's approvals for most of his second term nationally. It isn't even in the top ten of former red states. The state got far more liberal in 2008, not more wingnutty. And does the word "Texas" just drive logic and facts from your head?
A) Perry has a strong GOP challenger in Kay Bailey Hutchison
B) He is playing to the conservative base
C)"Closer to 40%" is still NOT a majority! Far from it.
I totally hear you and even agree with you.
Unfortunately, perception is reality. That is why we are losing ALL debates to the lunatic fringe. THEY are the folks appearing on tv...either as pundits...or mobs of 200.
THAT is what the country and the world sees. That is the unfortunate truth of it.
I have my own reasons why it is true, but the fact is that "average" Americans just either are indifferent to all this, or simply "don't want to get involved".
That is why your state and others, appears to be in the hands of the nutcases. That is the plain truth.
I am lamenting the fact that so many people here seem to be willing and happy to buy into that fantasy. We, as liberals, are supposed to be better than that. Apparently not though. :-(
all the citizens of a state. I am sure he is supported by all of his constituents. The small majority of citizens of the state that believe as he does. Big whoop! This gathering seems like a wing nut function. Why would sane intelligent people even think of attending?
You're right that every state has its right-wingers; right-wingers are always a feature of white-dominated societies. But it's not only Texans that are held responsible. The South generally is demonized for the dominance of its right-wingers, justifiably in my opinion. I'm a Texan myself and I feel that, despite the scattered Molly Ivinses and Jim Hightowers and Diane Wilsons and Dixie Chicks and Willie Nelsons, most Texans are either explicit right-wingers proud of their Republican or Libertarian affiliation or they're people who just conform to the right-wing environment they live in and never do anything to counter the right-wing dominance of their state. Texas is truly an embarrassment, a malevolent embarrassment, I'd say, since they not only gave us GW Bush but also Ron Paul, Dick Cheney, Tom Delay, Kay Bailey Hutchison, on and on. I mean, there's a reason the hyper-violent Ted Nugent chose to move to Texas.
What this group of 200-strong (maybe) protesters were upset about is that national “liberal” influence being felt within their state of Texas. (Their answer to this supposed gangrene of the leg is to amputate the head.)
We may have all the fun we wish at their – that small group of Texican wingnuts – expense, but their existence in not the lesson to be drawn.
It is only because a supposedly mainstream politician like Perry tried to broaden his base by appealing to these “Fringy McFringers” in the first place that cretins such as Kilgore are granted an illusion of legitimacy into which he might scuttle from beneath his rock and spew filth into the public discourse.
Which is what Rachel’s meant, when warning politician against ‘feeding the fringe.”
welcome here. Love, NYS.
California will take you, too. Though I can't imagine why you would want to come here at the moment...Oh, right, the weather is lovely!
Mexico is building a wall along the Texas border to keep you
fucking idiotsTexans out of Mexico... I think I'll go help them!I think you'd have a lot of help there :D
"Real Americans" in action.
..non right-wing extremists that Ms. Napolitano apologized to for labeling them extremists.
..I seem to remember being told, "AMERICA, Love it or Leave it!" some 40 years ago. These people so badly want to secede, I'd love to see them get at least a small taste of secession, i.e., remove ALL Government services for a month. No border patrols, no highway maintenance, no federal programs, no Coast Guard security, weather reports, etc. After they climb out of the pickle barrel they'd be in having to pay the "Nation of Texas" for services the U.S. Government has paid for with everyone's tax dollars (after all, more money goes to Texas than comes from Texas), let's see how they feel then. If they like the Stone Age, they can keep it!
Texas would become a third world country faster than you can say Alamo
and I wonder, how many would immigrate to the US?
heh heh...or come here as "illegal aliens"!!
n/t
"Border Posse"
Sarah Palin's new realtiy TV show: real America lovers fight avowed America haters. 8 Eastern/7 Central on FOX.
Ha!
I thought your were talkin about something else.
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In the process, they often adopted time-worn "patriotic" sayings and symbols, such as the "Don't Tread On Me" flag Beck wears, as their own -- though with a much more menacing meaning.
I really don't think that's a given.
I feel sorry for the sane people of Texas. They must be so frustrated and embarrassed to see people from their state acting like fools every day. Jeez, I remember when you didn't dare say anything against the planned invasion of Iraq because it could be fu*king dangerous in some places. Now those same people who made things dangerous are saying they hate this country. Like the poster of this piece, dday says, I too never yelled that I hated the country but I sure did hate the idea of invading a country without cause.
When someone is so venomous about their feelings regarding their country, maybe they should switch locations.
That was my first thought also, feeling sorry for the sane people people who call Texas their home. I wonder how they feel about it? It could probably be guaranteed their first problem, as a sovereign nation, would be an invasion from Mexican Reconquistas. Again, the question arises. When does free speech become 'hate' speech? When does the right to peacefully dissent become sedition?
Thanks Patricia,
Hurts sometimes being hated because of all the haters we have here in Texas. How short people's memories are. This is the same state that not long ago elected Anne Richards, I wish the haters on both sides of the spectrum would try to keep that in mind.
As a fellow Texan, I agree. This is sickening. Where is Anne Richards and Molly Ivins when you need them? Anyway, our esteemed governor is coming to town tomorrow. I hope I can speak with him on the subject of what the fuck we are going to do without federal dollars and federal military protection.
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But what is worse, is the number of so called "progressives" who then show up to bash the entire state because 0.0000001 percent of the population showed up at the capitol. Regional bigotry is still bigotry.
It has become very difficult to live in this state and I'm 5th generation. This mentality has become a rampant disease here. Common sense regarding political issues is dead. A few are trying to end this mindless thinking, but it's like fighting off roaches...they keep turning up in droves. It's more difficult when friends and family are in the herd
Some of us used to be proud to say we were from Texas...that was long ago. We are highly ashamed of those who represent us in Washington, past and present.
Sooo...we send our deepest apologies to the rest of the country and ask, ARE THERE ANY SPARE BEDROOMS OUT THERE?
...here in beautiful coastal British Columbia....
Does Canada need elementary school teachers?? I have my master's degree in education but I can't find a job in the US because all those tax cuts and all that overpriced housing and whatnot.
How about intermediate school teachers?? I have a master's in sociology, and have finished the bulk of my accelerated certification program, and I can't find a job in my own district, because "I'm too intelligent to teach these kids" (direct quote from my last administrator, and allegedly the reason I was forced to resign).
BTW, we progressives here in Texas continue to organize and speak out. You just don't hear our voices because the media, like most of our nation's politicians, is owned by the Corporatists, and they WANT you to think the majority of Texas supports Perry and his insane secession rhetoric.
Bye, bye.
Even the Texas Chamber of Commerce is thinkin they should be their own country.
feel free to leave this country, you POS racist fucks.
The nation will be better off without your 1650's mentality to hold us back.
Go...NOW!
Totally agree. Make our day, Texas.
And don't come cryin' when you find out that it's 'spensive to live on your own.
I actually want to visit Texas...there's a woman there that's done got me all kindsa flustered...soon as I can, I'm goin to see her...
But I digress, I would rather NOT have to get a passport.
Everyone should have a passport. You never know when Mr./Ms. Perfect will have the jet fired up on the runway for dinner in Rome. Then you couldn't go! Think about that: end of story. Plus, they only make sense.
In case I have to go to Canada for health care.
Who needs coffee in the morning. Just listen to that Kilgore guy cry for about 15 seconds and you'll be good to go.
..and listen to him bawl all the while enjoying a nice Costa Rican blend or perhaps a Hawaiian Kona..
the "lawn of ignorance and intolerance is steadily fertilized with droppings from the tyrants and miscreants that fancy themselves patriots," Me
I know there are many wonderful and intelligent people in Texas, but these fools are really making it appear as if it is populated by nothing but a bunch of loons and idiots. Perhaps they can carve off a section of Texas to give to these "true Americans," where they can experience their vision of the ideal America.
That section they carve out and give to them would be known as a mental hospital.
Small insurgent group... a minority... out of power... trying to change the status quote with threats of violence... trying to strong-arm their way into political power...
OMG... we have our own version of Hezbollah now.
I'm so proud.
Why travel the world to see terrorists. We have our own, right in our own back yard.
assassinate presidents!
if one of the hard left groups came out with communist signs and did the same thing, fox would have had a 3 day special on the hate of America, but now you have texas politicians courting the reichwing.....
desperation is the texas way....
A left group would never get far enough in their organizing to do something like this, because the police and FBI would have infiltrated them early on to prevent them from functioning. If it did get this far, the cops would attack them, right-wingers would join in, and it'd be a melee. That doesn't happen much (ever?) to right-wing groups.
I wonder if America were to sell Texas to Mexico, how much of an economic relief that would be for the US (like if Alaska were to be sold off to either China or Russia).
We could do a two-fer to the highest bidder. All the sane people in both states could be given notice so they could relocate to a more pleasant place.
some of the folks in South Carolina, etc., get all packed and moved to Texas before the sale is final!
... void all their passports so we can keep them the fuck out of the US.
handful of people at that rally are some of the comments here.
These idiots overlook the fact that secession equals reunification
with Mexico.
And, for the record, Texas pays more in federal taxes than it gets in return.
These idiots overlook the fact that secession equals reunification with Mexico.
When was that put into the agreement? I didn't know that annexation of Texas had a "return policy" in the contract.
(at least with any accuracy). Reunification with Mexico is simple demographics. Most intelligent Anglo, Black, and Hispanic Texans will leave a secessionist Republic. The right wing goobers left will soon be overwhelmed by Mexican nationals.
that secession equals reunification
with Mexico.
You cited it as a fait accompli. That is factually incorrect.
You cited "an agreement." I mentioned none.
Another reason why the whole secession is nothing more than hate-filled, empty rhetoric... the University of Texas would no longer be eligible for a NCAA national title. They couldn't play Oklahoma any more.
Besides, if these morons think that Texas will secede from the union after Jerry Jones built his billion-dollar behemoth... they are sorely mistaken.
They're deluding themselves and setting themselves up for a major, major disappointment. When that happens, someone will get hurt.
If Texas left, Oklahoma couldn't play anybody in football except
Oral Roberts. Over half their players, including most of the good ones, are from Texas. We used to have a BCS type conference with nothing but Texzas schools a few years back. And with our own Republic, even the Texas A&M Aggies would have a chance at a national championship every decade or so.
But Texas loves beating up Oklahoma.
Nothing makes some of my family members and friends happy than to watch Texas kick the shit out of Oklahoma every year.
It would really wound them if Texas could no longer play Oklahoma.
I know. Bet these nut jobs never thought that one through. I never miss that game. Ever.
The only way the State Fair makes money is the white goober OU fans who eat Corny Dogs.
Because 0.0000001 percent of the population of Texas decided to hold a rally, I'm not welcome in this nation anymore? Get bent bigots! How many of YOU people served in the United States Armed forces, (I did). How many of you people knocked on doors for Obama in the reddest of red districts? (I did). Some of these comments belong on Red State, the hate just drips.
What difference does that possibly make in this situation?
As for the rest of your statement, do you really think that folks here are seriously suggesting that all Texans are the same as these idiots?
Come on now.
Because I served UNITED STATES, NOT Texas. And all you have to do is read some comments, (including some of your own I'm shocked and saddened to say), to get the implication that my state and none of it's residents are any longer welcome in the United States of America, due to some loud mouthed idiots on the Capitol steps.
Speakin only for myself, the Texans that hate this country can leave it.
When I say that Texas should go ahead and secede, followed by a comment about how much it would suck for the people living their, is meant to expose the absolute ridiculousness of this BS, Margaret.
I have too many people and places I want to see in Texas, to actually endorse their secession.
But again...those Texans that hate this nation are free to leave it and start their own idiocracy!
But there seems to be a majority of people on this blog who feel like a minority of Texans should be able to hijack the entire state, up to and including people like myself. Austin is one of the most liberal places in the country and my congressman is one of the very few pushing for single payer and will absolutely not vote for anything without a very strong public option at minimum. I was a bit harsh with you, after reading through your comments and for that I apologize but I will not apologize to the mindless, knee jerk haters on this blog. And, as far as I'm concerned, the people of any state who hate this country can feel free to leave it. Just leave the territory behind for those of us who are SANE.
But...such minorities have done major things, some good...most bad.
There's a book I've got...and admittedly, it's a hard read...but it's called The History of American Fascism, 2001-2021: The 15% Majority...or something close to that...can't remember exactly...but it outlines, how exactly these small groups of wingnuts can subvert the will of the nation to achieve their goals...this book was written at least 10-15 years ago...check it out...
I will try to find a link for it when I can.
Ok...I got the title a bit wrong...
but here's a linky...
http://www.amazon.com/15%25-Solution-Politica...
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been goin on...
the fact that many of the posters here are just being sarcastic and having a little fun at the expense of the nutcases in Texas...including the governor.
Leave it to Beck to keep stirring up the emotions of these people until someone gets hurt. I don't know if he's crazy and believes everything he says or if he is just cruel and enjoys whipping people into a frenzy just to see what will happen next.
My dad believes that nothing good really ever came out of Texas, primarily due to the fact that George W. Bush and Karl Rove hail from there, not to mention that is where JFK got assassinated and this country has seemingly gone downhill ever since (maybe with the exception of the moonlanding and then the advent of the Internet decades later, but still).
The Dallas Cowboys winning five NFL titles?
LBJ? (he wasn't horrifying)
The Dixie Chicks
crap... that's all I got...
When you mentioned the five NFL titles the Cowboys won you brought back the good old days for me, as a long time Cowboys fan.
Well, I guess the good news is the Cowboys could kick ass on any team in Mexico. Despite Jerry Jones' best efforts.
Granted, there may be a few minor exceptions from the Lone Star state such as Ann Richards and LBJ (even though he prolonged the war in Vietnam with Nixon prolonging it even further), certainly not everybody is a Dallas Cowboys fan since they tend to be despised by other NFL fans to the Redskins, Ravens, Steelers, Giants, Packers, etc.
Back when the Cowboys were a kick ass team they kicked the asses of those teams and that was why the other fans despised them. And as marcellajoy said, Jerry Jones is on a suicide game mission yet the Cowboys try to hang in there.
is that he's too much of an oilman trying to get a handle on managing a pro team.
He can't. If he would just hire someone to be the GM and just enjoy the show, the Cowboys might be in better shape. (Jason Garrett could be the head coach and we could get rid of Romo).
Jerry Jones is from Arkansas. Sooey. Pig.
Anymore than you can point out that W is from Connecticut. Hatred knows now reason or logic and that's what I see here today. Simple, mindless hate.
We Texicans have done our share to earn a heap of scorn. I just don't cotton to inaccurate scorn.
And painting everybody with the same broad brush because of a few assholes is the definition of bigotry.
I didn't know michelle bachman or jean schmidt was a Texan.
But for some reason all Texans are responsible for Rick Perry, (who wasn't at the rally BTW), but all Minnesotans aren't responsible for Bachmann and all Ohioans aren't responsible for Mean Jean Schmidt.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RXOe66bINiM/RkQtx5L...
someone in minneosta is responsible for that nutcase they keep voting her back in
Jerry Jones' ego is his team's biggest enemy. I agree give the head coach job to Jason Garrett and stop hiring people's grandfathers for the job. Jones should get the hell out of the way and let someone make this a threatening football team again.
Pop, the Dallas Cowboys are the epitome of what is and has always been wrong with Texas. Watch or read North Dalls Forty.
Reasonberg, Texas truly is responsible for the Kennedy assasination. If it wasn't for Texas, Kennedy would not have been President and would have had not need to intervene in the feud between liberal Dems and Johsnon Dems which brought him to Dallas in 1963.
Bushies and Roves are not native to Texas. They flourished here when big oil consolidated their HQ's down here and moved in right wing Yankees.
TM. ou are the only one who gets partial credit. The Dixie Chicks are OK.
Until the huge influx of people from the rust belt moved in between 1975 and 1982. At that point, everybody thought country music was king and everybody thought that Texas was Republican....except actual Texans like myself that is.
Actually until about 1975 Texas was Yellow Dawg territory.
Sounds kinda scary to me. Yikes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzn5d0dBLIU
Bringin up the DallASS Pooboys ain't exactly helpin your case, lol!
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But you forgot to mention bbq...one undeniable fact...Texans know how to make outstanding bbq!
feel free to brandish rhetorical weapons and invoke all manner of profanity in the presence of myself and even wee chirrens
when you defame the Dallas Cowboys. My applause awaits.
I have hated that team since I was a wee lad in NC...
I don't hate the fans...okay...I don't hate SOME of the fans, just the team(though I do respect most of the players), and most of the coaches...
He started out at Cowboy games, Is he still around?
Did anybody tell him his wig was teh nuts.
I think...
not sure, but something like that went down...
for sure.
I know crooks and liars can't do anything about it, but that ad for Wallet Pop at the bottom of the page stays there and no comment notice of new comments can be seen below it. You can't see the names of people who have made comments. It's driving me crazy and I needed to rid my chest of that complaint. Now back to regular scheduled programs.
The very first thing to do is cut off all Federal assistance to Texas ($208 billion in 2006). That's about $8,600 per Texan.
After building a wall around the Independent Territory of Texas we could use that money to fund Public Health care.
http://www.fedspending.org/faads/faads.php?pr...
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Always spending money without worrying about the working people whose taxes pay for it.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr139.pdf
Don't let your deficit rise when Texas leaves, cause California can no longer pick up the difference.
Those numbers don't include $2,674,279,141.05 (so far) of Federal Stimulus money (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act).
http://www.window.state.tx.us/recovery/follow...
They also don't include FEMA disaster spending. Texas has had more declared disasters than any state.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/30/perry-fem...
http://www.fema.gov/news/disaster_totals_annu...
http://www.fema.gov/news/disaster_totals_annu...
$664 million Hurricane Ike (2008)
$1.7 billion Hurricanes Ike & Gustav (2009)
while ignoring what the taxpayer puts in. Texas historically sends more money to Washington than it gets back. And you keep feeding the stereotype about liberals.
You are correct that Texas historically pays a few percent more tax dollars than it receives from the Fed.
Unfortunately you ignored emergency spending (for the state with the most declared national disasters) as well as current spending of $2.6 billion for the ARRA.
Include these amounts and Texas is getting more than twice as much money from the Federal government as it is putting in.
But what's worse is your dependency on labels like "liberal". I consider it a compliment - check the dictionary - and a clear categorization of yourself.
like having your chain yanked. Think how poor Texas feels.
Texas has no feelings. Neither do I when it comes to an anonymous forum. The point is simply that you made a valid point but denigrated yourself with stereotypical labeling. Tossing around labels makes it all but impossible to have a substantive discussion.
Who are these people threatening, with this threat to secede? Who do they think will care if they go through with their threat? I mean it doesn't make any difference to me.
I'm sick of this shit! Fuck Texas! If they want to secede - let 'em! Just wait and see what taxes you'll be paying to support your own country, meatheads!
we could probably cut taxes and lower college tuition rates, Gene.
Be sure your facts are right. Then go ahead.
(That is a bad paraphrase of Sam Houston. A great Texan. From Tennessee.)
Why isn't Bush weighing in on this? After all during his so called presidency anyone saying anything bad about the USA was labeled a traitor. Why doesn't Bush tell these people that they are being unpatriotic?
I think the one and only good thing Bush has ever done was to scurry back to Texas and shut his yap for good.
and we will send him and that fat boy what does all his thinking packing back to Corn Etiquette.
Some history about Texas secessionists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas_(group)
Shouldn't Perry be arrested for inciting violence and terrorism.
Wouldn't you love to read a Molly Ivins rant on this?
Just thinking about that made me smile. Molly would be on fire.
I'm sure according to the more extreme theologians, they'd argue she already is.
of every joint she smoked. I am sure she is glad to have gone to the light.
in order to pass health care reform? It seems the dems are trending that way in abject compromise.
As a Texan, these 200 idiots do not speak for me. I wore the uniform for the United States of America, not the state of Texas. What bothers me is these people talking about blood flowing and other threats. If I said crap like that in public, I would be arrested. If I had said that during the Cheney/Bush administration, I would've been called a traitor.
One of the problems is that the Governor wants the same thing. It is much more than these 200 jokers. Sure they are a minority but where is the majority speaking out against these yahoos (besides the great Texans who are commenting on this page)?
We got plenty of assholes flapping their gums about this and that all the time. Its the Rachels and C&L readers what pays em any mind.
The reality is, I suspect, that these people are regarded as jokes. And the reason that Maddow brings it up on her program is to show how idiotic it is. Not because the movement has any serious validity but because it is so ridiculous and shows what kind of wingnuts we have to deal with when it comes to other subjects like health care. I really don't think these people are taken seriously in that they are going to manage to secede.
Get a lot of steam shovels and enlarge the Gulf of Mexico.
They can always move to Iran.
are proud to call Iraan home today. Got some in Itasca too.
I loved Ann Richards. She was a great lady.
And, who was it that knocked her out of office? George W. Bush. He had no right to that seat, which I'm sure he got with quite a bit of help from daddy and daddy's friends, because he certainly did not have the qualifications. Remember, it's not what you know; it's who you know. This is a classic example.
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Imagine if any group on the left was going this far.They would have been crucified. It's like no matter how far right you are the mainstream still pays attention to you and give you some crediblitiy, it doesn't work that way on the left. These nuts all deserve each other in their Theocratic Republic of Texas
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