Beck gives credulous interview to Texas secessionist, who says Tea Parties are a great place to recruit
By David Neiwert Wednesday Jun 24, 2009 3:00pm
Last week Glenn Beck scoffed at the notion that he had been promoting the notion of state secession, somehow overlooking the fact that he had in fact been promoting the notion of state secession.
So yesterday, to further demonstrate his skepticism, he invited on his Fox News program a fellow named Dan Miller, who runs the Texas Nationalist Movement. As you can see, he provided two full segments of the show to an interview that most kindly could be called “credulous,” and less kindly would make a crude reference to teabagging.
And indeed the Teabaggers’ Parties was an important topic, because Beck raised it himself at the end:
Beck: You actually believe the Tea Parties are, um, are the “gateway drug” to secession. Is that true?
Miller: Well, I think that’s definitely the case for a lot of folks. Because, you know, the Tea Parties have been about venting frustration and anger with what’s going on in Washington, D.C. And what we’re seeing here is a lot of people are looking for solutions, and the solution for Texas is Texas, independence.
Beck: Unbelievable.
Well, it's nice of them to admit that the Tea Parties in fact have been a prime recruiting ground for all kinds of extremist right-wing belief systems, most notably those arising from the "Patriot" movement of the 1990s.
Because there were some noteworthy aspects to this interview that went unmentioned on the air:
-- The Texas secession movement in fact has long been the most significant arm of the far-right "Patriot movement" in that state since the 1990s, when it was responsible for various armed standoffs with law-enforcement authorities and a range of domestic-terrorist acts.
As Media Matters noted when Gov. Rick Perry voiced his sympathy for the movement by appearing with Miller and other members of the movement during the Tea Parties promotion:
The Texas Nationalist Movement is not a random group. In a 2005 article in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, a spokesperson for the Southern Poverty Law Center [SPLC] described the secession movement in Texas as "very hard-line anti-government groups whose views involve anti-government conspiracy theories." Their associates have been responsible for numerous acts and attempted acts of terrorism.
... During the last two decades, members of the Republic of Texas have been arrested numerous times in the course of planning - or carrying out - what can only be described as domestic terrorism:
* In 1997, Richard McLaren, former president of the Republic of Texas, kidnapped his neighbors leading to a week-long standoff between the police and "antigovernment separatists." The standoff ended when McLaren and his four followers surrendered. "After the surrender, a sixth Republic member [was] killed in a gun battle with police, while a seventh elude[d] authorities for four months before being captured."
o During the standoff, McLaren told the New York Times: "We are at war with the United Nations and all foreign entities. We are not at war with the American people, but we are at war with the Federal agencies which have no jurisdiction here." Another Republic of Texas member, who identified himself as Lieut. Richard Keys of the Republic of Texas Defense Forces, said the hostages "were prisoners of war, held under provisions of the Geneva Convention."
* Prior to the standoff in 1997, the New York Times reported that the Republic of Texas demanded "$92 trillion in 'war reparations' from the Federal Government, and it has 'ordered' Gov. George W. Bush and all state legislators to vacate the Capitol building in Austin, none of which seems likely to happen any time soon....The members have passed at least $3 million of worthless but official-looking Republic of Texas checks, and they are simply ignoring state-ordered fines and orders to cease and desist...This month state officials shut two public buildings in Austin because of a bomb threat that they said was linked to the group."
* In 1998, according to SPLC, "Leaders of the so-called Republic of Texas, an antigovernment separatist group whose leader ha[d] been sentenced to serve 111 years in prison, tried to purchase a four-story building and compound to serve as the group's 'capital,' officials [said]. An IRS spokesman [said] Jacques Jaikaran, who face[d] up to three years in prison and $75,000 in fines on a tax evasion conviction, tried to arrange the purchase of a building near Houston that feature[d] machine-gun turrets, a bomb shelter and an operating room."
* Also in 1998, the Republic of Texas plotted to assassinate President Clinton using biological weapons. According to the SPLC, "Officials [said] the men planned to use a cactus thorn coated with a toxin like anthrax and fired by a modified butane lighter to carry out the murders. One man [was] acquitted of the charges, but Jack Abbot Grebe, Jr., and Johnnie Wise - a 72-year-old man who attended meetings of the separatist Republic of Texas group - eventually [were] sentenced to more than 24 years in prison."
* In addition, "according to an affidavit, Wise and Grebe told an FBI informant that they planned to modify a cigarette lighter so it would expel air instead of propane in order to fire a cactus needle tipped with anthrax, botulism or the AIDS virus."
* In 2000, members of the group planned an attack on the Houston Federal building. The SPLC reported, "Federal agents arrest[ed] Mark Wayne McCool, the one-time leader of the Texas Militia and Combined Action Program, as he allegedly [made] plans to attack the Houston federal building. McCool, who was arrested after buying powerful C-4 plastic explosives and an automatic weapon from an undercover FBI agent, earlier plotted to attack the federal building with a member of his own group and a member of the antigovernment Republic of Texas, but those two men eventually abandoned the plot. McCool, however, remained convinced the un [sic] had stored a cache of military materiel in the building. In the end, he [pled] guilty to federal charges that [brought] him just six months in jail."
Moreover, as the TNM's own Website explains, the current movement is a direct descendant of these radicals and has not disassociated itself from them at all. It's mostly in the process of trying to mainstream those beliefs -- and it's finding fertile ground not merely at those Tea Parties, but on Glenn Beck's Fox News show.
But another point about this stands out: The Texas secession movement became active in 1995 and was engaged in various threatening and violent acts through 2000. Then, for the next six years, it became completely dormant, not raising its head again until 2006.
Now, that couldn't have had anything to do with the fact that the President of the U.S. during those years was in fact the former governor of Texas, could it?
Because otherwise, one would have to conclude that we're looking at a pack of bellyachers who hated the federal government until one of their own was running it, and only returned to the business of bellyaching after that same person had completely botched the job, creating an economic disaster that required the feds to take drastic steps about which the bellyachers could easily bellyache.
Though of course, such a point would never occur to Glenn Beck.








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This just in - Glen Beck is a teabagger.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?ter...
Glenn Beck is their 'gate way drug' to all things bad.
I say let Texas break away- Wouldn't that shift control in Washington over to the Democrats? I lived in Dallas for a time, and wouldn't miss Texas one bit if they decided to secede...
This New England Yankee found the Bible-thumpery a bit too excessive down there..
But I can assure you, the next time they get slammed by a hurricane, they'll be begging Washington for help..a bit how like Quebec demands the rest of Canada help them when they get slammed by blizzards- despite their frequent cries for independence...
miss that oil slightly. So might want to think twice about letting states leave. Texas is no paradise believe me, but it has some things to offer. I say round up this right-wing asshats, and rope off say, UTAH, and let them all nest there.
I expected better from you on the "kick Texas out thing". There are still a few good people here that would prefer to remain part of the "United" (in name only) States.
But yes, the next hit on Houston/Galveston, Miss Rick Fairy will be screeching her fool head off.
There would be an awful lot of assholes needed to be rounded up. In texas assholes line the streets from street corner to street corner. It is a massive infestation of wingnut cretins, the only people half decent in that shithole seem to be northerners who retire there.
has oil and polar bears. Utah would be best, as they have a huge amount of religious nuts already. Better yet, just set up a large "Jesus Express" space ark, and launch them all
.................................................................................into the sun.
I was thinkin we could just build a large trebuchet and launch them into "heaven" that way.
Come on...it'll be FUN.
We can barbecue, have some brews...and help these morons rapture themselves out of our misery.
The point is Texas could never be self sufficient- ditto with Quebec-
There is no such thing as the nation of Texas, they gave that up when they asked to join a federal union. That said, that land is U.S. territory. They want to leave that's fine, they can go emigrate somewhere else, but they can't take the land with them. No different than the 18 year old who decides to move of of his parents house but asks for some money and to take the car on the way out.
Secondly it would set a legal precedent that could destabilize the country. It's the same reason why Moscow isn't letting Chechnya leave the Russian Federation. Besides the Civil War already settled the issue of whether secession was legal.
The civil war only settled the issue of whether secession would be tolerated. Legally, one could argue that the precedent was set by the American Revolution and if you find that specious then have a re-read of the Declaration of Independence with all its references to the savages who incidentally had welcomed the colonists a century earlier and provided them a means of survival only to be in turn savaged for their hospitality. The arguments for America's independence were no less specious.
One could argue that precedent ended when the "first" United States was dissolved and the one we have now replaced it with the goal of a "more perfect union."
Following the Civil War, in Texas v. White, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that secession was an illegal act.
There's a very pertinent quote:
Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.
Of course, the person who said that was quite the politician and unfortunately a bit hypocritical, although his reputation has been scrubbed up quite well in the past few years. (And for those of you that don't recognize it, Abraham Lincoln said it. Apparently independence was good for Texans leaving Mexico, not good for Texans leaving the U.S.)
around Texas, not mexico...
are for idiots. please no more videos...wahhhhh
I wonder if these violent secessionists will ever be officially labled by Pres obama as being domestic 'TERRORISTS'- OR is terrorism a lable whose application is DETERMINED by Republicans?
They assert that Muslims and liberals are terrorists- but refuse to admit that Christians and/or right wingers can be terrorists. Couldn't Beck be accused of aiding and abetting domestic terrorists?
by definition traitors?
If it were up to me they'd all be on trial for treason. And if any of them decided to shoot some people up, charges of terrorism would be added to the charge of treason.
They seem to feel the Confederate Army (In the US Civil War) were as patriotic Americans as the Union Army
Not even all southerners voted to secede.
Some thought (correctly) that to do so was treasonous.
I'm sure there's a uniform in a museum somewhere where we can get a DNA sample. We should threaten to clone William T. Sherman and let him loose to march to the sea again. It would be the ultimate Civil War reenactment.
you never hear about this on C&L?
http://www.vermontrepublic.org/
'Patriot' movement, my ass.
These are not patriots, they are out and out traitors. True American patriots believe in the UNITED States of America. This is sedition, pure and simple.
The FBI needs to start arresting these bastards, the attorney general needs to bring a case against them and prosecute, and after a fair trial the guilty parties need to be imprisoned, though I'd prefer they be executed for their treason.
The thought of Texas leaving us is a source of happy anticipation.
"The Texas secession movement in fact has long been the most significant arm of the far-right "Patriot movement" in that state since the 1990s"
Sorry... but Texans have been talking secession off and on since 1845. I was born and raised and still live in Texas. I remember hearing these arguments when I was a kid in the 1960's. This is nothing new.
We were taught in "texas history" classes that Texas was a country for 12 years and the only state who's charter says that they can vote to secede.
Supercedes the Texas charter.
Texas is running a deficit, wants to lower taxes and elects the most incompetent people alive.
The U.S. Constitution doesn't address secession.
And for all those folks fond of talking about "the will of the founding fathers," they would probably have been all in favor of allowing secession. The last thing they had in mind in 1776 was creating a strong central government. After all, that's what they were trying to get away from!
Hogwash. That may have been true when they were initially admitted to the Union, but the new constitution that was written as part of Reconstruction (as a condition of Texas being re-admitted to the Union) eliminates that clause.
Something which "Texas patriots" tend to forget when it's convenient for them to do so.
According to Wikipedia, the population of TX is 23.3 million. Even if this lying liar is correct and they have an alleged 250K membership, this is only 1% of their population. Also, too, who’s to say that all 250K members actually live in TX? As much as I would like these idiots to STFU, I still wouldn’t want to punish the other 99% of the TX population to achieve this goal.
Beck says, "Texas is about the only successful state in the union". What?
It's practically the only successful *Republican-run* state, yes-- if by successful you mean, 'pays more money in taxes than they receive in federal spending'-- and they only just barely qualify. Almost *all* the blue states fit in that category.
So isn't this really just an example of how incredibly disloyal Conservatives are? It's like Marsha Brady burning the house down because she didn't get enough attention at dinner. I mean... should Jan be the one burning the house down?
Due to deregulation in Texas of the energy and insurance business, we pay more for electricity and insurance than most other states.
Meanwhile we rank around 47th in terms of social spending.
perry has gone from talking secession to accepting bail-out money, but only for rebuilding the governor's mansion destroyed by arson, but not for unemployment benefits.
And our legislature meets only every other year.
And as far as the news is concerned only perry and hutchinson are running for head goober.
YS:
You live in Texas? Do you ever read "Texas Monthly"? I read years ago about the way we handle mental health in this state. It's atrocious. That's just my comment about our "social spending". Sucks ass.
No centerfolds.
But I'm not surprised we don't handle mental illness well. We've had private church school teachers withold medicine from epileptic students, when upon the student's next seizure think they can paddle it out of him.
COMPELS YOU!
Seriously, YS, you can read "Texas Monthly" online. It's awesome. Molly Ivin used to contribute articles.
I was a fan of Molly Ivins and read her in the Dallas Observer when I got bored with the kinky personal ads and Joe Bob Briggs.
What's your opinion of Kinky running for Gov as a Dem?
I wasn't sure what his party was, but I wanted to see bumperstickers and signs saying, "Get Kinky Texas."
The "Kinky Administration"...
http://weeklyworldnews.com/
http://weeklyworldnews.swagdog.com/weeklyworl...
More recently we had a teacher with excellent work history fired, because she took her class to a fieldtrip to a museum. She had school permission, and parental signed permission. But some of the precious darlin's saw nekkid statues and paintings.
They eventually cleared her record, but still refused to hire her back. You'd be surprised how many parents supported the school on this, but supported teachers who allowed their students to watch the beheading of Daniel Pearl on the internet.
If you don't mind my asking, what city are you currently in?
Plano.
I was born in Denton, lived Waco until I was 10, then in Dallas most of my life except for four years in the Mojave Desert at Edwards AFB. I'm on the eastern side of Plano, the working class side, not the obnoxious yuppies.
I'm in Lubbock. And PLEASE stop making me laugh.
"Get Kinky Texas". Almost spewed my Lone Star on my computer.
My sister and her goofy husband live in Waco. Wow, are they crazy ass right wing.
WTF, teaparties?
Texans only like iced-tea
And Lone Star beer.
I live in Texas and am currently enjoying a Lone Star Beer.
Every time Beck brings up Texas in his stupid radio show, or his stupid TV show, I email him and tell him to shut his fucking pie hole.
Texas is a proud part of this country. If I ever get my hands around that man's neck..........well, I ask him to please STFU.
May he choke on a chimichanga
With extra jalapenoes
To make his next skip to his loo memoriable.
My darlin dooo, early in the mornin.
I'd rather see him load up on the habeneros.:0
whatever beck. the tea bag thing is dead.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that as a matter of constitutional law, no state could leave the union.
Secondly if we want to look at the intent of the Founders. The current Constitution was ratified in order to "form a more perfect union." You can't have a more perfect union with people jumping ship. We can infer that they were against secession, especially since the current constitution created a more unified nation than the Articles.
It's highly unlikely that the Founders had any intention of creating a strong central government, and certainly the Executive Branch has power far beyond anything they had ever imagined. It could as easily and realistically be argued that after having had to fight for independence, they wouldn't have been in any hurry to create a system that did not allow the separate states to leave if and when they chose to do so. Especially when you consider that up until the late 1800s, the federal government was practically an afterthought for most people - real control was at the state level, and state politics were what was important.
Hamilton and the other Federalists were arguing for a strong central government. They were all in agreement that the Articles of Confederation were not working, and the Federalists wanted a strong central government. Under the Articles, the country was more like an alliance with members printing their own money, running their own postal service, etc. It definitely would have been easier to leave under the Articles than the current constitution. The new constitution took a lot of that power and gave it to a central authority.
One could say that Hamilton's faction won out in the end, he got his federation, the constitution establishing the three branches of government we have, was ratified after 10 amendment.
Anyone else remember the "Republic of Texas" morons and their hostage standoff in the mid-90's? (a group of pea-brained secessionists that were demanding the prison release of their racist leader.)
I used to have a copy of their radioed "call to arms" plea for help to all the other Militia Movements across the country (no one came). It was so stupid, it was funny.
I lost the mp3 in one of a half-dozen computer crashes I've had since then and was never able to find another copy. :(
That they're still crying over a smackdown that happend about 140 years ago.
"Though, of course, such a point would never occur to Glenn Beck."
Glenn Beck could get clocked in the face by a Nolan Ryan fastball and still miss the fact he was at a baseball game.
Oh, yeah!! Bitches! Nolan Ryan and Glenda Beck. Who do suppose will come out on top?
And it comes as no surprise that the teabaggers had their little pity party at the local National Guard Armory.
I'm pretty sure that no matter how many people showed up, the collective IQ still didn't top triple digits. Now the irony level on the other hand...
I think ours are held at Stuckey's.
That's only because Dairy Queen already hosts our local chapter of MENSA.
I have a better idea - let's expel Texas from the union and build a large fence all around it with only two entry points.
Keep the white trash where they belong - Texas.
To get Texas style bbq. Let's just deport all the traitors. I'm sure the WHOLE state isn't a bunch of wannabe Confederates who can't get over the fact their little hissy fit got smacked the hell down by an army lead first by a guy with no balls, then by a drunkard.
A cactus needle, fired from a modified butane lighter and tipped with botulism, anthrax or AIDs? That's some seriously l33t redneck ninja sh*t right there. I wonder how many days of a meth-fueled bender it took before somebody came up with that.
They want to assassinate someone with *AIDS*? Not to belittle the plight of AIDS sufferers, but it's my understanding that there are medical treatments which, while expensive (not a problem for Clinton), hold it in bay fairly well. It's certainly not in the same league as anthrax. That's kind of like trying to assassinate someone by giving them diabetes.
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Because nothing else says, "Country FIRST!", like a good secession.
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I love pointing out what the original boston tea party was really about because it was the antithesis to what these current day "tea baggers" believe
the king's homey's couldn't compete with the colonies for tea products, the king wanting to help out his pals REMOVED THE TARIFF
the colonies went balistic and REFUSED ENTRY TO PRODUCTS THAT WERE NOT TAXED
they dumped said untaxed products into the sea
isn't that interesting?
the founders would NOT ALLOW UNTAXED PRODUCT and THAT'S why the dumped that tea into the water
a convoluted story with twists and turns but the actual tea party was to prevent entry of untaxed goods
when I inform "tea baggers" the original story their heads explode and they have nowhere to go
If you can secede in Texas you can secede anywhere.
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