Santorum: Rape Babies are Gifts from God
Republican Presidential hopeful Rick Santorum really dropped a load on CNN last Friday night when he said rape victims should accept their babies as gifts from God.
In an interview with Piers Morgan, the most socially backward conservative candidate in the GOP field remained unyielding in his opposition to abortion, even in cases where rape is involved.
Morgan pressed Santorum on the issue and asked how he would feel if his own daughter came to him begging for an abortion after being raped. Santorum said, “I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created - in the sense of rape - but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you.”
He added that rape victims ought to “make the best of a bad situation.”
That's right, Lil' Ricky wants the government to force pregnant rape victims to accept the "horribly created," because "God" gave you this "horribly created"...um, "gift" via a brutal attack against your will.
Because he's a "compassionate conservative." Cough.
Transcript of the segment follows.
MORGAN: On abortion, you did harden your position on that as you got older. Why was that?
SANTORUM: Life. You know, when I decided to run for public life, I was informed very quickly people wanted to know what my position on that was. So I went through the process of trying to better understand the facts.
It became very clear to me that life begins at conception and persons are covered by the Constitution and since life -- people, a human life is the same as a person, to me it was a pretty simple deduction to make. That's what the Constitution clearly intended to protect.
MORGAN: But do you really -- do you really -- let me ask you this. Do you really believe, in every case, it should be totally wrong, in the sense that -- I know that you believe, even in cases of rape and incest -- and you've got two daughters. You know, if you have a daughter that came to you who had been raped.
SANTORUM: Yes.
MORGAN: And was pregnant and was begging you to let her have an abortion, would you really be able to look her in the eye and say, no, as her father?
SANTORUM: I would do what every father must do, is to try to counsel your daughter to do the right thing.
(CROSSTALK)
MORGAN: It's an almost impossibly hypothetical thing to ask you, but there will be people in that position, and they will share your religious values.
SANTORUM: It's not a matter of religious values.
MORGAN: And they are looking at their daughter ,saying, how can I deal with this, because if I make her have this baby, isn't it going to just ruin her life?
SANTORUM: Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn't have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn't, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I've always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created -- in the sense of rape -- but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you.
As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can't think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.
Wonder if he'd feel the same if his wife/daughter got raped by some thug crackhead.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Yes, it would probably make a difference to frothy if the rapist took drugs. Perhaps he would draw a line there...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...or if it were the spawn of Satan himself.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
How would Man on Child Rick deal with that baby?
Cenk gets increasingly angry about it. It's good to hear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fej-N-SAN30
I want to know about his god.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
I have a banner that I use occasionally on posts, etc. It says: "In the beginning man created god".
It has caused more than one religious zealot to have fits.
In-Sanitorum has no conscience. That's why he can twist his feeble brain around to his own way of thinking. He has that in common with Joseph Smith, the 'inventor' of Mormonism.
I wonder if he would feel the same way if someone he loved experienced the horribleness of being raped. So rape is god's way of giving an innocent woman a gift? This is just beyond insane and he should be in a mental ward somewhere far far away.
I could write all night about how I feel about what he said. But I'll spare everyone my long hell raising monologue.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Read my signature Patricia.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
Love Havelock Ellis!
From his book on "Sexual Inversion":
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
Brilliant dude.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
Yes. He would most likely expect anyone he loved to go through with it, even his own daughter. That's how sick and depraved his beliefs are.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Eyeworms, the Black Death, frostbite, gangrene, human bot fly, etc. It's all made by god and his gifts to the world. All except for marijuana. That has an accident.
are STD's given to rape victims also a gift from his God?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
STDs are god's punishment for dressing provocatively and allowing the rape to happen.
me-oww!
I bet Sanatorium would say that you used the Wrong word. It should not read "allowing..." It should read "Causing."
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my bad. You have all of the correct there!
These guys don't remind me of the imposition of Sharia Law at all.
me-oww!
The right word would be "inviting". After all, women are all just whores and temptresses, don'tcha know. That's why we must all be
enslavedmarried off as soon as possible, to corral our demonic sexual powers.There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I have to admit stopping before he finished his position on the death penalty; he talked about "mandatory DNA testing" which sounds like he is pro- death penalty. But isn't the Catholic Church OPPOSED to the death penalty? Please explain, Ricky.
I believe there's even some sort of list. Commandments I believe. Which makes me wonder how the hell Newt got in the door. They must still be selling dispensations.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
maybe the current pope is into jewelry?
me-oww!
And it comes in a pretty blue box! lol
Hasa Diga Eebowai
He likes Prada shoes. Yup... The Pope Wears Prada, nyuck nyuck nyuck
http://shoeblogs.com/wordpress/images/popesho...
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Is Santorum Cathlolic? If not, he probably hates them too.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
he's Catholic. and sick.
not all martyrs see divinity
And a Catholic that's very much in the camp of the Lefevbrists, Opus Dei, and all the other reactionary throwbacks... not a Catholic myself, but it is the church of folks like the Berrigan brothers and Dorothy Day... folks that someone like Santorum would consider a heretic, but folks that are far closer to the ideals of their church than this asshole will ever come.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
I find it funny that anyone thinks that Catholics, especially in the USA, are anything close to monolithic in their beliefs. I would gather that a major portion (upwards of 75%) pick and choose some aspects of the cannon that they choose to ignore.
Years ago, before the idea of atheism/animism took root in my mind, I would have possibly been willing to return to an "American RC Church"...if it took modern views towards population control. But I've moved beyond that and now view all religion as part of the poisonous cultural heritage that plagues humankind.
Sorry if I offend any of the more pious among us here at C&L. But organized religion does far more harm than good in the world as it is today.
not all martyrs see divinity
I'm a "recovering Catholic" and still amazed at the number of A la Carte Catholics. Lots of people having sex outside of marriage, using birth control, but then rushing to confession if they ate meat on a Friday during Lent. And still giving up things during Lent such as chocolate, candy, whatever (but never sex). Notice, too, how divorce is now allowable in the Catholic church.
If people want to practice a religion, that's fine; I just don't want these practices influencing what our laws and regulations are going to be.
Those universal truths such as what's termed "the Golden Rule" are present in all ethical systems, religious or not... the moral aspects of society don't need a specific religion or any religion in order to be conducive to the preservation of the species.
It is indicative of the authoritarian mindset shown by the frothy one, Newt, and so forth that fear of punishment from either those in authority or some idea of a god is the motivation for good behavior. I've heard many folks bleat that without the idea of a god, how would one know the right way to be? Hogwash.
I would think that the more I behave ethically, the better I seem to understand a little more of the universe... I need no such fear of man or god to show me that life's a lot more pleasant when one treats one's fellows the way one would wish.
I am not an atheist, by any stretch, though I don't wish to enter into that particular discussion... but my beliefs are dictated to by a sense of wonder, and as far from fearful as any can possible be.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Paul.
I wonder how Ricky 'explains' people who are compassionate & law-abiding & overall just very nice & loving...but who do not believe in a god or a religion.
I doubt he acknowledges their existence . It is easy to be a hypocrite, and it is cowardly. It is easy to remain in denial, and it is cowardly.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I've known too many people like him... if the person doesn't publicly profess belief in their interpretation of the Absolute, then none of it counts.
Sad, narrow way to be, but these are folks who, nonetheless, describe themselves as "joyful." I don't think that word means what they think it means.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
yes
me-oww!
I came from a Catholic family, albeit a more liberal one, all considered. This guy's right out of the Inquisition.
And he wants to be president...of this country?
BAWAAHAHHAHHA!
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
to knock it off with all the dog-whistle racist and bigotry crap.
me-oww!
B-b-b-b-b-but Father Coughlin and Father Feeney'd be proud of 'em, dontcha know...
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Does the pope wear Prada? :)
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Isn't this the same guy who said when his daughter was born with an illness his first thought was not to love her so it wouldn't be so painful when they lost her? Here was a child already born and he considered not loving her? How the hell does he expect a woman to love a fetus which is the result of the worst event in her life? And what about the rapist, is he god's little helper?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
who was OK with the abortion his wife had, ostensibly to save her life. That's their story, anyway. And he brought that one home to cuddle. He loved that one. I'd never heard of the refusing to love one he thought was going to die. this guy's assholery never stops, does it?
me-oww!
Actual babies mean nothing to these people. They only care about their mythical pseudo-angelic fetus fetishes. Once a birth occurs, they hightail it out o' there and leave the mother to her own devices.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I really don't think it's much of a stretch to say that little ricky supports rape.
Yeah, I said it. Go ahead, flame away...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I can't argue with that. He is an authoritarian after all.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Ever notice how rape and crackpot religious leaders go hand in hand?
Keeps those religious compounds a flourishin'.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
Reminds me of former University of Indiana head basketball coach Bobby Knight, during a Sixty Minutes interview saying that " If rape is inevitable, just relax and enjoy it".
There's no doubt in my mind that Santorum is screwed up enough that if his wife or daughter got raped he would want them to carry the gift from god.
Santorum is apparently a member of Opus Dei. He's spoken to them. His sons went to one of their high schools, etc.
Despite the Dan Brown book view of them, Opus Dei is a REAL group of crazies.
Any God that's OK with rape is not OK with me. Fuck him.
I'll second that. What a stupid, twisted fuck.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
Rick's god loves himself some rape:
As for abortion, if I'm not mistaken Rick's god has a history of 4th term abortion advocacy:
I could go on for a while...
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
Seriously?
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
This is your brain. This is your brain on extremist religion.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
"We," as in "No one who is any kind of important to me at this point in time."
me-oww!
SANTORUM: "You know, when I decided to run for public life..."
You notice he said "public life". not "public service".
I suggest that Frothy is going down, and he's going to have to find another "life" somewhere else. He doesn't even know that he was hired to serve his constituents and nothing more.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
... he truly believes, along with others of The Family, that he was chosen by God to rule.
Sharlet's book is much needed reading... and re-reading.
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
If for some reason, the man who raped the woman was not, or could not be prosecuted, or was acquitted, would Mr. Santorum support his claim for visitation and/or custody? If the woman was injured or traumatized as a result of the rape, the Court might find her not fit enough to raise the child.
If the rapist got more than 50% custody, would Mr. Santorum support his request that the raped mother pay child support to him?
If, because of injuries and/or trauma from rape, the raped mother could not care for the child at all, would Mr. Santorum support the rapist's claim to full custody, with child support to be paid by the raped, injured, traumatized woman?
I'm also wondering, since the result of the rape is a gift from God in the form of a child, would Mr. Santorum conclude that the rape is not a crime at all?
In Mr. Santorum's world, abortion would be illegal, meaning anyone involved in seeking or obtaining an abortion would be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and murder, which would include the woman, her spouse or significant other (if it's not the rapist in the above discussion), the doctor, the nurse, any family member or friend, who may have discussed it or provided any help (such as a ride to or from the abortion procedure). They would be subject to the death penalty for terminating the pregnancy.
In the above discussion, the raped mother, if she aborted the child in Mr. Santorum's world, she would be put to death.
I don't think I will vote for Mr. Santorum for President of the United States.
That's where Old Frothy goes with his logic. But he won't tell you that, because he knows that he'd get tarred and feathered for accusing women of murder. That's where his logic would stop short. He wants women to be victims, not perps, for political reasons, not moral ones. He also wants women to be victims because then he can continue to believe that women are naturally passive targets for male dominance and aggression, whose role is to accept adversity with saintliness and piety. Women don't have the right to feel outraged; they have to be loving in the aftermath of violent rape.
"...Money Trumps Peace..." G.W. Bush, 2007
Why do I feel like deja vu...?
Rick Santorum = American Sharia Law
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
So you know, if he DIDN'T think this, given his fundementally twisted understanding of reality, I would be concerned. He genuinely believes that life, human life, begins at conception. He thinks that a collection of undifferentiated cells, even a fertilized egg, is a full on human, equivalent to you or I 100%. Given that view of reality, abortion really is murder, and just because the person was created as a result of rape does not make it any less of a person. Given that he believes that anything from a fertilized egg on is a full human, it would be incredibly immoral of him to ALLOW it to be terminated. It's not the baby's fault the mother was raped.
This is why you can't just use the, "have whatever beliefs you want," cop out when it comes to religion. Some beliefs are fundementally incorrect, and until you disabuse people of them, they will continue to make fundementally flawed decisions that are moral and correct within the context of thier understanding of the world even though they are completely immoral and incorrect in the context of reality. The problem here is that we as a society accept the idea that it is acceptable to define, construct, and live in your own reality, as long as that reality comes from 'religion'. Untill we stop doing that, these wackos will forever be skrewing up society.
Nicely stated.
FB
99%
C'mere, Rick. I got a gift from god for ya.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Bryan Lambert of YouAreDumb.net goes off on Santorum for his recent vile idiocies, including the "rape babies" debacle.
Look, the fucker earned it
But it's here, in this convoluted attempt to provide a rationalization for outlawing abortion even in the case of rape victims, that Rick Santorum really pulls out all the stops and shows how utterly fucking vile he, and his pro-life, right-wing, evangelical Christian worldview really are...
I love Bryan's diatribes, and his website is on my daily reading list. Ol' Frothy crops up regularly, and Lambert loves to tear him a new one as often as possible.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
... Cases of incest. Does he believe the granpadads, brotherdads, uncledads, etc, are busy giving little gifts from God, too?
I'd bet he'd say so. Still a human life, can't kill it.
... males have been chosen by God to rule over women, so the women (or teen girls, or little girls) should be silent and obedient, and take whatever the men do to them.
That's modus operandi.
me-oww!
Responsible for a quarter of the population in the South , you didn't know that ?
One of the late Dr. Tiller's patients was a 9 year old girl who had been raped and impregnated by her father. If this had happened to his daughter when she was 9, would he feel the same way?
well of course, because he'd be the dad and the grandfather as well.
me-oww!
Miss Kitty
God can work in not only mysterious, but perverted ways.
"The Virgin Mary kept her rapist's baby. See how well that turned out?"
lol, good point.
:D
me-oww!
argue that that wasn't rape. There was no penetration.
He put a baby up in there!
me-oww!
Rosemary's Baby??
is to be "overpowered" by some big guy but luckily for him, the result can never be a pregnancy-- although I'm sure if he could get pregnant by a rapist, he'd happily raise that little bundle of joy as a gift from God.
He'd be like the guy in the outhouse in Jurassic park. The guy is a coward and void of all meaning.
Rape is GOD's gift to women?? I never knew!! But somehow Frozzy Ricky knew and is spreading the good news. How very very sick of him.
No silly! The Fruit of Rape is the blessing part.
me-oww!
Ayy...
"...Money Trumps Peace..." G.W. Bush, 2007
knows how women suffer when they're raped. It's the MAN who can tell women impregnated from a rape to accept their lot in life as a victim of a violent crime.
For the rapist, it's over in a few minutes. For the victim, it's over in 18 years.
But for "Dead Fetus" Rick, it's over when he's elected. That's when he knows that he screwed everyone who voted for him.
"...Money Trumps Peace..." G.W. Bush, 2007
Don't forget about the Terri Schiavo fiasco , opportunistic and pandering politician that he is ... he could not resist getting involved and scoring points with the knuckle draggers . He "just happened to be in the area" . LMAO
Sherri S. Tepper, comes up with an interesting scenario in her novel, "The Fresco". Benevolent aliens come to Earth, and while here some of them have to lay their eggs in an emergency. Since they don't have their native symbiotic host animals, they have to use human males. The baby aliens have to chew their way out, and it's messy and painful, but generally the host doesn't die. Luckily, there's a lot of human males who say abortion is evil, the fetus must take precedence over the host, etc., so they lay them in pro-life candidates and religious leaders.
Schadenfreude!
extend to Iranian scientists?
If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?
then abandoned by the state at birth. So it is written....so it shall be done.
Is he running for President just so he can talk bullshit? Does he really think a majority of voters will vote for him because he spews this crap? Do you think that a majority of voters buy into his premise that Obama trying to make college education accessible to all is a "liberal indoctrination plot" ?
Get real, asshole.
This whole story just points out that women are still second class citizens. If it were men who got prego, we, men, wouldn't put up with this shit about someone telling us what to do or not do with our bodies. Abortions would be legal from inception up to the kid turning two.
If not now, when?
Nah, probably closer to 18...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Isn't it time yet for Ricky and his rethuglicon pals to just jump? Oh, I forgot...off the Hancock building in Chicago... Flying lessons everyday... For free.... These are truly abysymal people....
Lil' Ricky needs to re-take biology 101 a few more times and try to remember what every high school teacher knows. A zygote isn't a baby, it's a bunch of dividing cells and doesn't becomes a baby for months and months. Lil' Ricky you're not smart enough to be a doctor and you never will be. So follow science not falsehoods, sick, horrid, sadistic, twisted Neanderthal mind(?) of yours.
You need to be put in prison and be introduced to the true nature of rape. Then lets see what your demented little brain cell pops out with. Or when your daughter realizes what a douche bag you are and reveals ALL your sick little secrets. Then, lets see what a gift you boyz think rape is.
To balance Romney or Gingrich, the Kristian right will insist on Frothy, Bachmann or Palin as the VP. Since Santorum is still in the race, he's the one with the juice. The pro-rape right won't turn out unless one of their own is second on the ticket.
Welcome to your racist, anti-science, moon base, pro-rape, woman-hating, pro-apocalypse Republican ticket.
be on the receiving end of a gang rape by inmates at his nearest pen, after which he could thank God for the gift of suffering at the hands of violent felons.
Go on, Rick, volunteer to be a Saturday night victim at one of Pennsylvania's finest felony hostels, just so you can say, yes, my dear rape victims, I feel your pain, and God loves you for it.
"...Money Trumps Peace..." G.W. Bush, 2007
I hope someone "Gifts" him.
I know that was wrong I take it back a little bit.
Sharon Angle said it a little differently in her campaign against Reid but the sentiment of the rabid anti-choicers is the same. She said that a rape victim should, "Make lemonade" when facing this situation.
I would add that I am not opposed to a rape victim deciding that she wants to have the baby. Oh, wait a minute.....that would mean that she has a choice. Rick and Sharon et. al want to FORCE he to have the baby.
Wow, Santorum's god must really be a complete dick.
lil ricky would endorse rape the way he does. After all isn't his god pretty much a rapist? If so, then jebus is a rape baby and looky how that turned out.....
Because you can't have the rape baby without the rape.
A victim should make the best of it becasue a man perpetrates a mortal sin (Read the 10 Commandments Man on Child Santorum) the suffering that results is a gift from God.
So by extension if a drunk driver (Jesus made wine and imbibed) cripples one of his children, MOC Rick should deny his child medical care and therapy, just leaving them crippled, and tell them to make the best of it?
This guy isn't just stupid he is deeply evil.
Let's see. A woman is taken against her will and does not want to have a stranger/nephew/brother's baby and Santorum says the baby is "a gift from God." It is unbelievable that he does not see the lack of logic in this conclusion. It would make babies of rape victims the price a woman has to pay just for being a sex object to a goon. If Santorum worships a good God, that deity would not allow the woman to be raped in the first place. And before Santorum can argue that the rapist was given freedom of will by this God, the question arises, why didn't the all powerful good God make sure that when a man exercises that freedom of will, he does the right thing.
"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez
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