Senate Finance Committee: We're Going to Make You Buy Insurance With No Public Option
By Ian Welsh Friday Jun 19, 2009 8:00am- Lower the medicaid coverage rate from 150% to 100% of the fFderal poverty line, 133% for kids and pregnant women (once you have the baby, too bad for you)
- Subsidies stop at 300% of the poverty line (was 400%)
- No Public Option mentioned
- Insurance exchanges at the State level
- Must buy insurance unless it costs more than 15% of your income
- A fine if you don't buy insurance unless you're below the Federal poverty line
For the most part, as Walker discusses, this is about the same as or worse than the plan put forward by America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP). Yes, worse than the insurance industry's plan. Remarkable. Baucus is really earning his campaign donations these days.
Of course, this is only one proposal, and in principle others from the House and other Senate committees could be better, and the better ones could be enacted. Obama has said he wants a public option, and he may whip for it.
But, if something like this is what comes out as the eventual "reform" it is worse than nothing. Being forced to buy bad insurance, with huge co-pays without a public option to keep prices in check has as its primary value that it is a subsidy for the insurance companies and that it reduces catastrophic healthcare costs for hospitals, because due to forced purchases of bad plans, some of the folks who used to come in at the last minute, after having not gotten care, and then costing the hospital hundreds of thousands of dollars in emergency care, will be partially paid for. They'll still come in last minute and not have been properly cared for since the deductibles will mean they didn't get help, but 70% or 80% of their final death-rattle costs will be paid for.
The problem with this plan is that it won't control costs. Without a public option, the insurance companies will have no check on their prices, let alone pressure to actually reduce them. Because people will be forced to buy bad insurance, they'll hate the plan, and because "reform" has been passed, we'll have to wait another 10 or 12 years for another shot.
Obama desperately wants to pass health care "reform". The fear is that he may take the easy road, and pass any bill that is "better than nothing", and that progressives will once again accept the logic that it's better to get something rather than fight for an actual good bill.
But because Obama does desperately want to pass something, if progressives stand firm in the House or the Senate, and refuse as a bloc to pass anything without a good public option, nothing can pass unless Republicans cross the aisle, which is rather unlikely.
So the answer is to stop being taken for granted. Stand up for and demand a public option, and refuse to accept a bill which does less. Don't let Obama have a cheap victory; a cheap "medicare reform". If he wants it, make him whip for a real bill, a good bill, with a public option. He whipped for money to bail out banks in Eastern Europe. He whipped for TARP. He can whip for a good healthcare bill. And it won't even cost 700 billion.
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Government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations… and their buddies.
OK I am ready where do we meet for the BIG MARCH!
They are really asking for it.
Who wrote this shit? Blue Cross/Blue Shield corporate lawyers?
What are they smoking???
We all know BCBS was in that room.
Yank their health insurance.
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ready to beak loose - you can feel it in the air....
right before lightning strikes.
This is unacceptable!
March in Washington on June 25, 2009. If you can't go to Washington, take the day off work anyway. Spend the day picking your Senator's office if he/she has not co-signed HR 676. Go to www.1payer.net for resources. In the mean time start wearing blue bandannas. Tie blue ribbons around everything. Solidarity!
... but what's a Christian Scientist to do, when forced to buy insurance that she is religiously constrained from using?
What will the gov't do when faced with Conscientious Objectors who refuse to buy insurance on religious grounds?
Heh. An obscure sect may be in for a windfall of new believers.
There are exemptions for religion.
I think the ranks of the CS are about to go WAY up.
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"Mandatory" insurance payments or a fine, eh?
Same as their "mandatory" flu shots?
No thank you.
I won't get a flu shot and I will never administer one, comprende?
Abbybwood, R.N.
Proud new member of Physicians for a National Health Program
P.S. You don't have to be a doctor or nurse to join.
How do you join?
(This isn't just for me, I could Google it, but you might as well put it up here where others can readily access if you don't mind.)
Here's the link to join Physicians for a National Health Program:
https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/307/t/3...
I would not mind the government being overtaken by the corporations, if at least they had the decency of paying for it.
Looking at the reversal of the tax revenue between personal and corporate taxes, it seems we're the ones paying for the privilege of getting screwed by the corporations. Of course, socialism is baaaaaaad, a corporation told me so.
I am speechless…
I am still speechless…
WTF?
my dreams of comic stardom
;-)
It sure seems to be true. This sucks donkey dick. I am self-employed and pay my own insurance; I don't make a lot of money, I was dearly hoping for some sort of Public Option to help me out.
You know, I have always been a good citizen of this land but I am ready to take to the streets with my pitchfork and rattle a few politicians. I had a friend who was from the old country, Italy, he has passed away but his words still take me aback at times like this. He used to say the only way to make politicians take up the causes of their constituents, once they had forgotten who they represent, was to threaten them with violence. March on the capitals of the local governments (states) and let them know enough is enough.
Now… I am not saying violence is the way to go, but what if millions of us took to the streets? It is time to organize something BIG!
Not much different then a couple thugs chomping on cigars walking into your small shop to collect "fees" for doing business in their territory.
even the name is similar. The mafia calls it 'Health Insurance,' with the quotes, openly.
If the insurance companies would do the same, that would be truth in advertising.
The public option itself is a sham.
Single payer is the only way to contain costs.
The greedy bastards would be forced to take what is offered.
Which is, of course, precisely the reason it was never on the table, except in 2003 during this speech by Obama.
Explain this Mr. Obama.
there is only one option, and that is single payer
equal access to healthcare should be a basic right
See comment here
Since declaring his candidacy for president, Obama has never advocated single payer health care. Not once. All along, it has been the public option.
As much as you and I would like to see single payer, it's not going to happen. I guarantee that single payer health care will not happen anytime soon. Especially since it has never been put on the table by Obama.
Calling my president a liar makes me mad. And you're wrong. And that link is wrong, too. In 2003, Obama may have advocated single payer, but not while he was running for president, much to my disappointment. I wish he did. Then we could all hold his feet to the fire. But he didn't.
I was off his bus with FISA because he was !@#$ing liar on that, so there.
The video link speaks for itself.
if the sleazy American worker hating scum in DC passes shit like this.
Try and force me to make the insurance companies rich and I'll put a burden on your jail system. Fine me and they wont get a dime. I'll go to jail first. This is sham. Forcing people to by health insurance for Blue Cross. Bullshit.
I WON'T BE FORCED TO BUY "HEALTH INSURANCE" FROM ANY PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANY NOR WILL I PAY A FINE FOR REFUSING TO DO SO.
I guess we'll be cellmates then, gump.
fuckin fuck?
We MUST protest this bullshit!
Hear me loud and fuckin clear you POS spineless DEMS!!!
NO VOTES FOR TURNCOATS!
Get single payer back on the table, or you can all go fuck yourselves, and ya better start lookin for new jobs come election time goddamnit!
Yeah...the American sheeple are gonna hop right on that.
This SUCKS!
Bunch of fuckin lazy, non-caring people in this goddamn country!
FUCK!
and who will you replace them with?
You suggest we not do anything?
Just give up?
fuck that!
ME!
"Single Payer" has never been ON the table!!!!
It's not even in the kitchen!!!
It's not even in the House.....
Oh, nevermind.
get on the table!
Seriously people...we really have to show solidarity on this!
We must DO SOMETHING!!!!
At every House members LOCAL office and every Senate members LOCAL office who does NOT support Conyers H.R. 676:
Please John Amato. Can Crooksandliars help us organize this?
There are certainly Crooksandliars posters from every district (435 minus the 93 who are co-sponsors....that would be 342) who can send a press release to their local paper and call for a town meeting at a the local city hall/restaurant/park??
We especially need to identify activist DOCTORS AND NURSES who will be willing to go to the LOCAL offices to visit the Congresspersons and LOBBY.
We need to do press releases and get LOCAL media to cover this and do NATIONAL press releases once it builds.
And that also includes the 100 members of the Senate.
All we need is a measly 442 people to organize the entire country! We could do it by zipcodes.
We need to send flowers and thank you cards to the LOCAL offices of the co-sponsors and make APPOINTMENTS WITH ALL THE OTHERS WHO ARE BEING LOCKED DOWN BY THE CORPORATE HEALTH INSURANCE LOBBYISTS.
Please C&L....help us!!!!
Abbybwood, R.N.
P.S. I have Rep. Olver covered. He is already a co-sponsor of H.R. 676.
Here is the link to see where your House member stands:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:...
Abbywood!
Take public health care plan to the streets are lose it.
Yeah...the American sheeple are gonna hop right on that.
It would seem that one who is "Liberal AND Proud" would also be seen as someone with leadeship qualities. Although, I don't think you lead by pessimism and cynicism.
there's a reason why you don't know who I am.
This is America ya know.
And ya know what...if insulting people gets them motivated...then I'll keep insulting them.
Problem is...the American People are too stupid to know when they've been insulted.
Okay . .
if they can't get a decent healthcare reform passed. I'm am absolutely sick of the "leaders" in the party. I don't give a shit anymore. I'll register as an independent and will vote Con when I feel like it. What's the point of only voting for Dems if they're going to act like Cons or worse yet, gutless turds?
So are millions more. The idiots in D.C. don't know what they're playing with. Imagine a nation in full revolt with NO democrats and NO republicans ANYWHERE!
Maybe we could get our country back by simply quitting both parties.
What in the living hell are you people thinking?
This BS Healthcare bill does not do WE THE PEOPLE any good at all!
I am officially quitting the Democratic Party.
Never again will I waste a vote on a Democrat because you act just like the damn Republicans.
It is crystal clear now that neither party has the interest of the people at heart. You serve the corporations NOT the people.
Thanks for helping turn America into a fascist corporatocracy.
Have a nice day.
Tell them your done voting for them.
and done!
Dear ********
Thank you for sharing your comments and concerns with the Democratic National Committee. It's important that we hear from people across the country about the issues that matter most to them. Health care is a major concern for many Americans and Democrats are committed to reforming our current broken system. The statistics speak for themselves with 46 million uninsured and skyrocketing costs, reforming our health care system is one of our biggest challenges.
President Obama has laid out three specific requirements for real health care reform:
1. Reduce the overwhelming cost of health care for individuals, families, government and businesses
2. Guarantee Americans the freedom to choose their coverage, whether they choose to remain with their current plan and doctor or choose a new one
3. Ensure quality affordable health care for all Americas
President Obama and the Democratic Party believe that health care is a right not a privilege and its reform is an issue which cannot wait. Democrats in Congress are committed to presenting health care reform legislation by the end of July and President Obama has stated that his goal is to sign legislation by the end of the year.
On June 6th Democrats across the country participated in Health Care Organizing Kickoff meetings to discuss the health care issues that are important to them and ways to help President Obama and Congress pass reform legislation. These meetings were also the first step towards organizing events for Organizing for America's June 27th National Day of Service that will focus on health care in our communities. To find out where a National Day of Service event is taking place in your community visit: www.barackobama.com
Governor Tim Kaine
Chairman
No reply yet!
Freddy, I stopped giving to the party a long time ago and only give to individual candidates.
They're not getting my votes either.
vote withholding is the only way the corporate controlled democratic leadership is going to get the message
Withholding votes means that our government is elected by shutins and the elderly.
You want to be heard...then BE HEARD.
This government only understands PAIN.
The problem is, they misunderstood what I said. I said "healthcare reform" but they heard, "help the insurance companies make more money at my expense!!"
you like the status quo? then keep voting for the DLC-led dems, and then expressing sh-sh-shock when they go back on their campaign promises. they know they have a ready stock of cattle that will vote for them no matter what they do. there is no punishment for going back on promises, for legislating in the exact opposite way than they promised. they know this, hence the dems have constantly screwed over the left and progressives.
you are right though, the govt only understands pain. and the only way to cause them pain is to jeopardize their power/position. believe me, if the democratic base were to actually hold these crooks to their promises you would have less of this bullshit.
second Obama punts on healthcare reform or let's himself get owned by these greedy, corrupt motherfuckers. And it's gonna take a lot to get me to vote for this party again.
This stuff is making me absolutely fucking sick. I can't believe I live in a country that is so fucking amoral and corrupt.
I'm in tears.
If the public option is off the table and Obama doesn't begin to prevent crap like this from the financial sector:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jun/2...
I will leave the Democratic Party. I will re-register with no party affiliation.
They have the numbers to pass a single payer because we gave them the numbers. Time to stop voting for them if they're going to turn their backs on us.
He has to win it back, but losing the single payer option is a point of no return for me. I am not alone in this thinking in my circle of friend I talk politics with.
Then you voted for the wrong person. It was never his intention. Did anyone pay attention during the primaries? During the election?
Single payer healthcare reform was never part of Obama's platform. He didn't run on that. He ran on healthcare reform based on a public option similar to what Massachusetts currently has.
Am I wrong here? I thought it was common knowledge.
What was it that Bill Maher was saying again? Oh, yeah: that the spinless Dems have all the power to bring forth progressive legislation but once again have caved in to the powerful corporations. Tell me how this Administration is different from the previous one again?
Why doesn't Act Blue/Blue America organize protests?
Americans don't go to the streets anymore. It's too much work!!
Americans don't go to the streets anymore. It's too much work!!
Correct. No further comments needed.
Just one more comment needed. So you've thown in the towel?
We're not only a country of morons...we're a country of LAZY morons.
Now I concentrate on getting MINE. Just like everyone else.
Sound like a damn conservative with that bullshit.
Better off putting any energy into animal rights.
At least animals are smart enuf to know when they're gettin' fucked over, and they're appreciative of any care and concern they receive.
being chock full of morons and lazy assholes.
and the animals you're right about the animals.
But that last sentence just doesn't sound like you at all.
But that last sentence just doesn't sound like you at all.
Very simple...we're a country of ingrates.
We allowed ourselves to be convinced that unions were bad...when...without unions...you wouldn't even have safety rules in the workplace..much less unemployment insurance, minimum wage, limits on hours worked.
We allowed ourselves to be convinced that government programs are BAD. We've allowed most of our essential services to be privatized...with NO real reduction in cost...AND...many of the those jobs have been outsourced to non citizens.
We've allowed ourselves to be convinced that the TRUE heroes of the common man...JFK, FDR, MLK...were frauds...when those three men ALONE have done more for average people than every Republican politician combined in the history of our nation.
I lay this all at the feet of MY generation.
The so-called "baby boom", free love, anti establishment generation...who became the most narcissistic, consumerist, pro establishment generation in the history of our country.
They grew fat and happy on the hard work of their parents and grandparents...who fought the wars, got their heads broken to create worker rights and sacrificed themselves to lay the groundwork for the creation of the middle class.
This generation disgusts me. They truly do.
And they DESERVE everything that happens to them. They failed their children...they failed the country.
Odd. Please explain how you are helping the cause when people still speak of protesting in the streets to fight for those values and enact change? You piss all over it with your cynicism.
Cause I don't see any crowds gathering in the streets.
They're all at home shopping on Amazon.com.
We make our generation a big generalized stereotype I would agree, but our generation is not one big stereotype. There are those of of our generation that were sprayed with fire hoses in the south because they were standing up for their rights. That is not to mention those who were murdered. Does the poor single mother working 2 or more jobs deserve what she gets? Is she a sucker because she does not have the time or is afraid to fight deserve what she gets? Do they really disgust you? Or is it easy and lazy to be disgusted by a stereotype?
First of all...it was a simple minority that was making only SOME of the noise in the south...and by simple minority...a minority of WHITES.
The real noise came from blacks...who were an underclass.
The academicians and flower children showed support...but they weren't getting sprayed with fire hoses. The impoverished blacks that showed bravery to stand up were the ones who got beaten, lynched, and hosed...REPEATEDLY.
Don't lecture me. You know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.
And the fact is...it was unionized whites, who didn't care a whit about blacks, that brought about labor change.
NOW...we are all together...and guess what...we've shown ourselves to be WEAKER than before. Why? Because we no longer care enuf to look beyond our own front doors.
It's all too hard. I only care about MINE. That is the attitude. There is no collective sense of commmunity...and that is an atmosphere screaming for exploitation.
And the corporatists are more than willing to oblige.
I just deleted a nasty reply to your last post. I am not going to bother. I will just say I was not trying to lecture but to remind. I will now move on.
was raise a political correctness red herring.
History is history...and I don't believe we should be in the habit of changing it for political convenience or because it may be impolitic.
What I did...mmm. Please show the exect quote of where I changed history. Not a paraphase. You already paraphrased some I did not say. Where did I say whites were hosed? Just exactly where did I change history. Please quote the exact political correctness red herring I raised. I am at a loss.
but our generation is not one big stereotype. There are those of of our generation that were sprayed with fire hoses in the south because they were standing up for their rights.
Show me the hundreds of whites that were hosed. And please don't say you meant blacks and whites. Blacks were not part of the countculture...they weren't even considered part of our society. Particularly in the south.
We make our generation a big generalized stereotype I would agree, but our generation is not one big stereotype.
You imply that somehow by pointing out exactly what history tells us of the counter culture revolution that somehow I have "generalized"
I don't write history. I quote it.
our generation that were sprayed with fire hoses in the south because they were standing up for their rights.
I said "their rights". I certainly was not talking about whites at all. The rights of whites were not being violated. You are making up something I did not say. I never said anything about counterculture. I said we, and I am not singing you out, when I say we a am including myself, are stereotyping our generation. Blacks are part of our generation. Please, I am not accusing you of saying blacks are not part of our generation. I do beleive a large majority of white middle class men of our generation got us to where we are now. And, yes, that is what I thought you meant, white middle class men. If I am wrong as to your meaning I stand corrected. But, I still hold our generation is not one big sterotype. There are many in our generation that do not deserve what we are getting.
The blacks standing up for THEIR rights were not part of the generation I spoke of. They were on the outside looking in.
Outside of Hendrix being in attendance...Woodstock and similar events were gatherings of lilly white middle and upper middle class teens and young adults who were "battling the establishment".
And as far as your "many in our generation not deserving what they get"...I suggest reading my post a couple of comments down.
Silence is Acceptance.
You seem like a decent person. I would rather get along with you than fight. Don't we have evil people we should be fighting?
Agreed.
I never bought into any of that BS!
That's what the rightwingers believe!
Not ME!
And I thought, not you either...
The Congress isn't simply shoving it up our ass.
We are LETTING THEM. The American People are LETTING THEM.
How many Americans are there? We can't make noise? We can't make it clear what we WANT?
Oh..noooo...that's too hard. Let someone else do it. I'm going to go listen to my I-Pod. THAT is the attitude.
Silence IS acceptance.
while not a politician was a registered Repub.
What in the name of jebus does that have to do with ANYTHING?
I'm ready for the street! I am sick of getting the con job and screwing. So your excuse is nobody else will. That's what it sounds like you're saying.
I'm fuckin tired of this shit!
I'll come.
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Well that's 3 so far!
Anybody else?
Damnit, I kept a sign up in my yard saying I will not concede to a stolen election for almost a year when W stole his first election.
With all of the forces that appear to be working against progress, the cynicism is really pissing me off. It is a cancer on the body politic. I think most people blog on here and elsewhere because they still somewhat care about what happens and participate in the process.
"In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or a politics of hope?"
Barack Obama
Please Mr. President - answer your own question.
me and you would likely be good friends were we to meet.
I had a similar sign on my truck after the 2000 appointment of bush.
Indeed, Mr President, what say you?
I'm in.
i have been in many a demonstration here in philly. iraq war, anti-bush, anti-patriot act, etc.
the demonstrations seem to be more of a city-thing, and, when they do happen, they are about completely shunned by the msm.
so, just b/c you don't see stuff on TV doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
yet, for the most part, i agree, most americans have abandoned their civic duty
Or that they are working too much just to keep their heads above water with mounting credit card bills, mortgages, etc, etc.
I am writing from Canada. I can't believe it. It is undeniable. The US is owned by the corporations. For the people by the people is a myth, a delusion. Democracy is just a fairy tale to placate the little children.
I am shocked by the realization. You poor, poor helpless little people.
Are you going to celebrate the Declaration of Independance for the Corporaations or are you willing to protest in D.C? Real health care reform is as important to our freedom and democracy as the elections sre to the Iranians. Let's not let the teabaggers get all the attention.
basically its a tax that goes into the insurance company's pocket
taut it is such and see if the Foxer's are happy about more taxes
Just another mandate to buy a private company's product? I can barely afford car insurance, how the hell am I going to pay for that? Folks, I'm done. I've officially become an apathetic voter.
How about a pissed-off, active non-voter? When ballots arrive for the mid-terms, we turn out in mass numbers to burn them--just like bras.
Write in the word "Nobody" on the ballot
Vote against everyone currently in office. Impose term limits by voting against these bums. Forget party loyalty. Vote against everyone in office!
There would be to many where even holding me nose the smell would be too horrible. Often I skip voting for any candidate for an office when the smell from any choice is too strong. I still cast a ballot though.
What if they were burned and the ashes sent back in the envelope provided, with a note of utter disgust? --- I've already called the DCCC and told them what I think - succinctly - If I receive anything from them, I will place junk mail coupons in the envelope and send it back to the weasels, on their corporate whore paid postage!.
blah blah blah . . nice while it lasted.
Gawwwwwd...Bless...A...murrrrr...icaaaa...Laaaand that I looooove...
They actually DO have an army to force us.
At least with Automobile insurance one can quit driving; as such it's really not a FORCED extraction of funds from workers.
But how do you choose death over forced extraction?
Is the IRS going to collect the money if we fail to pay the insurance companies? What collection army is going to be raised?
WHEN are the people going to rise up in indignation?
This is B.S. of the highest order and we all know it.
Is your rotten little job so important that you have no time for your future? For the future of your nation? What are YOU willing to sacrifice to get the job done?
How about some LOW LEVEL "Terrorism" in the form of a protest?
Oh forget it. They just ignore our protests. They're only interested in protests if they happen in Iran.
If this passes into Law the Democraps are Cooked and so is
Obama. He will be Lucky to get elected as the Local Dog Catcher.
The American People are going to lay this at his Feet. By..By..Obama.
You can't even spell "bye bye".
I have the constitutional right to NOT have health insurance AND NOT go to the doctor. That would be my protest against an unconstitutional extorsion ring.
Corporate Extortion (Illegal use of one's official position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage) . . . . without a single doubt.
Which is a little ironic, given that that's what the redneck gun whackos have been saying all along.
that when the corporations get out of control and the far left and the far right start making the same observations they will meet on the far side of the circle and we will have change.
Change you can believe in LMAO.
This is unconstitutional.
Call a cop.
without choice?
How is that American?
...or are you serious? 60% of the federal budget is transfer payments the very definition of forcing people to pay for something without a choice.
if these insurance-friendly measures become law, if the healthcare industry's employees (congress) are able to codify the abovementioned, then we will be worse off than what we have now.
the obama admin is not only going to fuck up healthcare reform, they are going to make any future reform all but impossible.
STOP calling this "healthcare" it is not. Whats a good name?
Healthdare?
...get rid of state insurance mandates that prevent people from getting cheap major medical ("catastrophic coverage") then this won't do squat.
Does anyone know if umbrella covers medical?
No.
is that you guys OWE yourselves and the rest of the world a general strike and take over of DC.
This should have happened in 2000 after bush v. Gore.
The Iranians are embarassing you! It seems clear that they care more about their democracy, as flawed as it currently is, than you do!
WTF is WRONG with you all?
Some of us realize how utterly stupid we look to the rest of the world.
Note to the rest of the world: We ARE stupid and lazy, self interested and pathetic, ruled by a pack of fatted clowns who care first for their own mansions and jet set lifestyles, and don't even want to toss the people any cake.
We are morphing into a 3rd world nation at breakneck speed. A designation that is well deserved I assure you.
I have to add a comment/observation here. Imagine for a moment how little you would wish the American military to tear up your own nation. Well, we the people of America don't want these people tearing us up either. They are not only familiar with our turf, they have no loyalty to the people. They will follow orders and kill their own citizens for a pay raise.
I am beyond disgusted with this country right now.
It's nice to read some of these comments. People don't appreciate it when I (a foreigner) say this kinda stuff, but I can see, you already know it yourselves.
They can lie, cheat, steal, kill, spin and loot under the banner of "Corporate Citizen" and walk away with complete impunity.
the longer you stretch a rubber band the harder it recoils when it breaks.
Us stupid americans most of the time only respond to losing money. It's coming.
...anyone who thinks we're going to get any kind of legitimate reform is living in a dream world. Obama doesn't have the desire to fight his corporate masters in the insurance industry.
In our town the major health care insurance big mega office building has its own traffic light on a not so busy rural highway. Just so their employees dont have to wait to get out of the parking lot and on to the street. Presumably its for when a whole shift ends but more often than that it is just one car stopping 55 mph thorough fair with a light trigger. When I see this happen I cuss their damn CEO that got 3 billion dollars in bonuses and you can damn well bet that he didn't pay for the traffic light.
that they put forth a proposal that the lobbyists drafted so they have a position to start negotiating from. We have to make it clear, this is a nonstarter.
This country is packed wall to wall with fucking retards. We are never going to get meaningful reform.
I'm contemplating a new strategy. Maybe voting republican will bring us to the low we need to be at faster. I mean look what happened in the last 8 yrs. If they are given the reigns for another 8, just think of how low we'll go. The dems have proven to be ineffective at best and just as corrupt at worst. Except I don't want the fucking slow bleed they give us. I'd rather rip the band aid off and just deal with the aftermath. Fuck em.
what Nader said is true. Two parties owned by corporations in collusion against the interests of the majority of americans.
...Nader is sounding more rational to me every day.
the most photogenic person but he never was a liar.
BUT I WASTED MY VOTE ON OBAMA THIS TIME OUT.....
Yup, you betcha...I got fooled again....
NEVER again.
Anyone? Bueller?
but does he not have some ownership of this?
He doesn't seem to be doing much in the way of lookin out for anyone but corporations.
He needs to start livin up to his promises. as do all dems.
If they don't....I'm done with them all.
I would say this outline probably will never make it to bill form for a mark-up session.
how the 'level of outrage' has effected congressional/admin actions in the past
LOL
LOL
level of outrage effected TARP? What was the joke about it? 50% of the people who wrote in said no to TARP, and the other 50% said HELL no.
AN EVEN BREAK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF4H0WfuiM8
One of my favorite W.C. Fields movies.....
But can't you see I'm having a very bad day and I'm not in the mood for silliness!
Pfffttt!!!
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