Critiquing President Obama's Iraq Speech
There's some confusion about how the president is "ending" combat operations in Iraq if there are still U.S. combat troops in Iraq. His speech on Tuesday outlined his argument that the withdrawal of combat brigades is a significant milestone in the past twenty years of US military involvement in Iraq. His speech actually reflects a very sophisticated statement that is aimed not just his Democratic base that has pushed for the end of combat operations in Iraq, but also his Republican opponents who are looking for opportunities to score points before the November elections.
This was my pledge to the American people as a candidate for this office. Last February, I announced a plan that would bring our combat brigades out of Iraq, while redoubling our efforts to strengthen Iraq’s Security Forces and support its government and people.
That’s what we’ve done. We’ve removed nearly 100,000 U.S. troops from Iraq. We’ve closed or transferred to the Iraqis hundreds of bases. And we have moved millions of pieces of equipment out of Iraq.
This completes a transition to Iraqi responsibility for their own security. U.S. troops pulled out of Iraq’s cities last summer, and Iraqi forces have moved into the lead with considerable skill and commitment to their fellow citizens. Even as Iraq continues to suffer terrorist attacks, security incidents have been near the lowest on record since the war began. And Iraqi forces have taken the fight to al Qaeda, removing much of its leadership in Iraqi-led operations.
Now yes, there are still 50,000 American troops in Iraq formed in something they call "Advisory and Assistance Brigades." These brigades are supposed to be primarily involved in training Iraqi security troops, not leading combat operations. That doesn't mean that they won't be shot at or can't shoot back. There are "combat troops" in South Korea and Germany, and yet we aren't in combat there, so I'm willing to give the president some room here. And then there's the billions of dollars that Iraq's government is going to spend on American military gear. That's a really bad idea, as it will only increase Iraq's dependency on American military involvement. So are we disengaging from Iraq's internal affairs? Hardly.
But back to the speech. Again, some will argue that it is disingenuous because US troops are still there, but Obama has actually set the precedent for pulling US troops out of Afghanistan next summer by making the case that the US military role is to create some security (in both countries), build up the indigenous security forces, and then get the hell out. He has to demonstrate that he's keeping his campaign promises prior to the mid-term elections and that he is going to (eventually) get us out of Afghanistan before the 2012 election. At the same time, he isn't willing to give the Repubs any room in this dialogue to declare that the Dems are weak willies and traitors to the American Dream by running from a fight (yes, it's a false argument, but perceptions matter to the American public, especially the fence-sitters).
At the same time, Obama is directing attention to the need to move funds from military operations back to domestic priorities. This will cause others to claim Obama is using the war for political posturing, but they miss the point. War is an extension of politics, and it's certainly a responsible and mature view to place limits on military actions (and funding) when there are so many other domestic demands that require attention. At the least, he demonstrates the need to examine all federal funding in an attempt to rein in the deficit and restart the US economy. It's a tricky position, and Obama's careful navigation down the middle doesn't please many people, but it's just crazy enough to work.


Didn't see it, don't care. Are there still troops in Iraq? Yes. Were some Iraqi troops reassigned to the Afghani theatre (of WAR, ysb)? Yes.
So...from where I sit...little has changed. Who came home? The troops that should have been sent home 5 years ago when they were due to, but were prevented due to the stop loss policy.
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Is our Tax Money still going to contractors like Halliburton and Blackwater and all that while we can't afford it because our infrastructure and economy is crumbling at home?
Here is a look into why we are really in the business of Iraq...
Secret German Military Report: Peak Oil could lead to collapse of democracy
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/0901/german-r...
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
the cost of oil in Iraq could have been negotiated for a lot less than the war cost us.
"...President Bush’s support for our troops, or his love of country and commitment to our security..."
sorry, mr president, i can doubt those three things and i do, phucque him for what he did, and phucque you for not prosecuting the mfer
a reasonable post on the speech. You are going to piss off a lot of the posters here.
thanks - to be clear, I don't agree with the president's strategy. I, too, wish he could speed up the exodus of all troops and contractors out of Iraq. And he should have started pulling out of Afghanistan the month after the SOTU. Having said that, I understand why he said what he did. He's a centrist, and I was one of the millions of progressives who didn't see that until after he started his term. Ah well. Better than the other choice.
No longer interested in an 'unknown' Monday morning quarterbacking on what the President does not do to their satisfaction!
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is intended to be a factual statement
No one could have foreseen that deep sea drilling is dangerous.
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Did anyone really think Iraq would be special? I do not support this, but we are still in Germany, so it is really not surprising.
British Attorney General moves toward re-opening investigation into mysterious death of Iraq weapons inspector
http://www.rawstory.com/rs1/2010/09/02/britis...
What's going wrong with our troops?
http://imgur.com/iNtu0.jpg
Let's get after it.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
One good step.
I hope it follows with more of the same.
We can't afford these (and many other) military ops.
Our treasure is spent.
If a GOP was in the WH you can bet nothing close to this would happen.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
700+ bases in 100+ countries.
to write about how we are withdrawing from iraq is disingenuous, obama is being disingenuous. the military industrial complex is as huge as ever, the underlying rationale is still in place, and the economic system that created and maintains the premise is still in place.
the cause is capitalism, plain and simple, same thing on the jobs front; until the underlying cause is addressed, the situation will stay the same. who is kidding who?
Secret German Military Report: Peak Oil could lead to collapse of democracy
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/0901/german-r...
The root problems are what need to be addressed and too few in the political sphere have the emotional fortitude to do that. Its easier to do the simple back and forth of the Glenn Becks and Palins day after day than really dig into the harder truths of the matter. Thanks for your courage into doing just that.
Same with Afghanistan. We were prepared to go into there before 9/11 even happened. It was all set up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4587368/
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Where is there any evidence of "getting the hell out?" Nowhere. We're in Iraq forever - Korea & Germany are examples of the same thing. We're going to be there forever, with military might, to force the Iraq government to always go along with U.S. interests. We've expanded our empire by one country that previously was independent from us.
The American Empire is going to fall and the international corporations and bankers are going to reap all the rewards. Our society will be lowered to a status much more like the third world and the greedy will take advantage of the opportunities presented. The people in charge aren't loyal the American history or even the Country of the U.S. as much as they are loyal to the profits of the multi-national corporations they represent.
The U.S tax payers and economy can't afford to be in all these countries long term. But the multi-national corporations don't care about that. They are interested in sucking out as much of our tax dollars as humanly possible. End of story.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
that both the Germans and the Koreans want American troops stationed in their country both for economic and security reasons. So too for that matter do many Iraqis, particularly the ones likely to wind up against a wall should the US decide to bug out overnight. Whether or not you can afford to keep troops stationed in other countries is problematical but another issue entirely.
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and I lived there, there are plenty of people who want the US troops out of their country. Is not that all those "yankee go home" gratifies are so hard to ignore.
Now, I am sure depending on the party controlling the German gov at a specific time or some Germans may want the US to stay. But saying simply that "Germans want American troops to stay" is a biiiiiiiit disingenuous.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
that has requested that the American troops leave since the second World War. The Germans were quite pissed when Canada pulled its NATO forces out.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
...Florida.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Independent and under the thumb of Saddam Hussein is bad.
What I mean is, the analysis cannot stop there. Korea and Germany are independent states and important allies. What's wrong with a military presence there, if it is not engaged in active combat?
Are you seriously suggesting that Iraq is better off now than under Saddam? Hundreds of thousands killed, millions displaced, infrastructure, schools, hospitals destroyed, sectarian warfare, all just to put us in charge instead of Saddam. The average Iraqi, if alive & still in the country, is worse off than before we invaded. Saddam was awful, but that doesn't excuse what we did.
Korea & German are only "independent" because they are allies. If they chose not be allies, we'd exercise our power & the illusion of independence would disappear.
No, I was not suggesting that. (I opposed and oppose the war.) I was responding to your suggestion that an "independent" Iraq under Saddam Hussein was somehow "good."
Germany often opposes the U.S. on international strategic issues, especially economic ones. "Are you seriously suggesting" Germany's independence is illusory? Illusory how? Like democracy in America is an illusion, as is women's sufferage and the aboliton of slavery?
Maybe the Germans should vote the craven imperialist running dogs, whom they elected, out of office.
leaving the increased use of mercenaries aside for now, i thought obama's mention of the peace dividend was a great inclusion, and he should expand on just what this means for the country's long term economic health.
obama needs to up the passion though. televised speeches like this are a far cry from his uplifting public events.
Many liberals are always saying we need to do something.
Here is a march on Washington on 10/2/10.
It is for jobs, equal rights, and other worthwhile liberal causes.
Take a look and if you like it, pass it on. Hope to see some of you there.
http://www.onenationworkingtogether.org/?page...
The speech was as "sophisticated" as a saint bernard crapping on a white rug.
Keep digging, Sigger. You're bound to find a pony one of these days.
socialist/communist and all-round badguy Kenyan Muslim has caused another oil rig to explode...
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but my own reaction to his speech was that Obama had become 'hapless'. That one word floated in my mind at the conclusion of the speech. The destructive, convulsive, and proto-fascist nature of war and empire continues in this administration. The job plans are all war or war-support plans,
And most troubling of all is the export of more weapons, America's sole remaining industry of note it seems, towards the creation of Iraq as a Fort Israel East? To block Iran? The Sunnis are happy now. But when will the Shiites be laughing? As we ponder the limits of empire, and Obama continues his rightward drift (not centrist by any stretch), as the neoliberals become one with the neocnservatives , what does that mean for us here I America? Jobs as war-support? What does it mean for the Shiite in Iraq?
This is, once again for Obama, an insufficient and incomplete project. This is not closure. Maybe he deserves our pity, for his words, but alas for his actions...As a teacher I can only say his grade is sinking fast, as our Empire continues to deny reality, and our leaders attempt of maintain a temporal and self-serving house of cards.
So, after 7 1/2 years of war Obama is back to: "as they stand up we will stand down"?
Just how much training does a security force require? Police academies and boot camps complete training in a matter of weeks. Obama has had over a year and a half, and his Neocons have had three quarters of a decade.
Does this have anything to do with oil rights for Exxon, BP & Ilk?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
You're so screwed.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
There is a huge difference between our troops dying and suffering wounds, which is what was happening in Iraq and which Obama promised to stop, and what is happening in Iraq today.
The parents of the soldiers, at least, appreciate that distinction. I am not a parent of a soldier, but I appreciate it, too.
I didn't hear anything about how many U.S. military contractors were still in Iraq, and what would happen to their numbers.
At least at one point, we had as many mercenaries in that country as we had regular combat troops. Have their numbers been decreased?
Somehow, I doubt it. This looks like one big shell game to me. Move the cheaper U.S. Army troops out of Iraq, while simultaneously putting in more expensive contractors. The Pentagon doesn't have to feel impotent, and powerful mercenary "security" corporations in the U.S. make a great deal of money. The net result might very well be that we spend more and cause even more trouble in the middle east.
Why oh WHY do you hate the military (industrial complex)!?!?!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
...from about 170,000 to about 75,000. That is to say, yes, there are still more contractors (which include, but are not solely comprised of, private security companies) than there are US military personnel.
What a country.
source for your numbers?
Anyone else a little cheesed NPR ran the speech then had Douglas Feith ( as Gen. Tommy Franks put it "the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth.") on after for commentary?
Unsurprisingly the NPR 'analyst' didn't mention Feith's role in the launching of this misbegotten enterprise while allowing the neoconnitwit to parse Obama's speech.
NPR has seen the last contribution from me.
That asshole has a gig on NPR now??
What a country.
and still do. GW needs to be held accountable, and we need to get the hell out of there. Butttt it is a start so instead of "Critiquing President Obama's Iraq Speech" and as usual Critiquing President Obama. lets be grateful for the little things.
Imagine if McSame was in office??
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