Right Wing Pundits - Wrong on National Security Again
After years of watching the Bush administration get the third-in-command al Qaeda leadership - a very dangerous position - we finally have the pleasure of capturing the number two man for the Taliban in Karachi, Pakistan. This was a direct result of a joint American-Pakistan intelligence operation, and they have been interrogating the man for more than a week prior to the announcement.
The commander, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, is an Afghan described by American officials as the most significant Taliban figure to be detained since the American-led war in Afghanistan started more than eight years ago. He ranks second in influence only to Mullah Muhammad Omar, the Taliban’s founder and a close associate of Osama bin Laden before the Sept. 11 attacks.
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The participation of Pakistan’s spy service could suggest a new level of cooperation from Pakistan’s leaders, who have been ambivalent about American efforts to crush the Taliban. Increasingly, the Americans say, senior leaders in Pakistan, including the chief of its army, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, have gradually come around to the view that they can no longer support the Taliban in Afghanistan — as they have quietly done for years — without endangering themselves. Indeed, American officials have speculated that Pakistani security officials could have picked up Mullah Baradar long ago.
The officials said that Pakistan was leading the interrogation of Mullah Baradar, but that Americans were also involved. The conditions of the questioning are unclear. In its first week in office, the Obama administration banned harsh interrogations like waterboarding by Americans, but the Pakistanis have long been known to subject prisoners to brutal questioning.
Marc Thiessen and Joby Warrick, who have both recently criticized the Obama administration for not capturing more Taliban and al Qaeda operatives, will no doubt be pleased to know that we didn't blow him up and that we do in fact capture high-value targets for interrogation. You know, the way Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, once the top al Qaeda terrorist in Iraq, was killed by an air raid in 2006. I mean, it's not as if there was a body count of how many insurgents and terrorists were killed every year. The only question now is how quickly we're going to hear calls to torture Baradar for his information. I'm sure the Republicans are already working on their Jack Bauer analogies. See Eric Bolling, in the clip above, call for Baradar to be waterboarded.
As Spencer Ackerman has noted, it's pretty important that we do not waterboard this guy (although Dick Cheney is probably salivating at the opportunity). About the worst thing that could happen is that the Taliban would turn Baradar into a martyr and use his capture and interrogation as some kind of recruiting message. Which is, of course, exactly what Faux News and friends (along with Glenn Beck) want us to do... Conservative pundits - the least serious people on national security issues.
Beck, in fact, just wants us to "shoot him in the head" because those weak-kneed liberals in the Obama administration will wind up just releasing him in a primary school:
This article is actually a more accurate representation of this story.
Funny thing is its from four years ago.
WASHINGTON, DC—The Pentagon announced Monday that 80 percent of Osama bin Laden's seconds-in-command have been eliminated. "Nearly 1,600 al-Qaeda leaders ranked number two have been wiped out," Lt. Col. Mark Allison said. "That leaves only 400 of Osama bin Laden's right-hand men in the organization." Following the apparent failure to kill bin Laden's No. 2 man Ayman al-Zawahri in a missile strike on a Pakistani border town on Jan. 13, American forces intensified the search for al-Qaeda second-in-command Ahmed Al-Zahnami, or, failing that, No. 2 man Amman al-Zaharani, or No. 2 man Ahmed al-Zafarani.
So timely, yet timeless...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
With a camera!
There. Fixed it for you ricky.
Or at least I tried.
Shoot.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I've got some bad news for you but it is off topic, is that allowed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjUmvHBgHr0&fe...
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Posted below, letter from Scalia.
I'm there.
"rule of law" propaganda.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
"He ranks second in influence only to Mullah Muhammad Omar, the Taliban’s founder and a close associate of Osama bin Laden before the Sept. 11 attacks." Wasn't Mullah Omar resentful and suspicious of OBL? He did not like him, and they rarely, if ever double dated. The implication that they were buddies is made up as a justification to keep the fear and warmongering going. I thought we were in Af-Pak and in this military operation to get OBL and his boys for 9/11? They keep moving the goalposts and throwing around possible terrorist threats and blowing money, and most importantly, lives on this never ending bullshit.
Aw savannah, let jason have his pleasure. Don't let short term history and contradictory reports get in the way.
mostly stupid and lazy, and if they're kept wondering where their next dollar is coming from they will not notice...Oh, wait.
...the late Ahmed Shah Massoud of the Northern Alliance?
On edit: As for moving the goalposts...We're looking at three separate but very intertwined organizations here: The Taliban in Afghanistan, the Taliban in Pakistan and al-Qaeda. The two Talibans are culturally the same Pashtun tribesmen, straddling the mountains that divide Af-Pak; al-Qaeda their former partner against first the USSR, then the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan; all three were also formerly employed by the Pakistani ISI to make incursions into India. They are very tight- much more than simply cozy.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
bin Laden and did not want him in Afghanistan. Maybe it was just a lover's quarrel or maybe it was a philosophical difference, or maybe it was just more bullshit. What ev. I am sick and tired of all this. Bring them home and if you are worried about security, use the money to give us some.
Fox Terror wants the interrogation to fail. Their whole talking point system depends on that happening so they can say, "See! The Obama administration is soft on terrorism!"
All about politics. Fox Terror is playing games with national security as always.
...of the legal/military/world view ramifications of their dumbass comments. "Shoot him in the head!" Beck's clarion call to anti-government law breakers everywhere. Bill Maher called Palin supporters "unreachable" I think the same hopelessness applies to Fox viewers.
I wouldn't touch them with your d*ck...
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---Southwest Airlines
...is suspicious, cantankerous, wallows in negativity and has nothing good to say about Obama. I laugh to myself when they slam the President in front of me at social gatherings as if I'm suppose to get pissed because I'm black.
Being white, going into neighborhood bars, and because I voice displeasure about the way things are/aren't going, the locals assume I'm a GD 'Bagger! Fuck aI hate these morons!
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---Southwest Airlines
Pox spread it around.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
Until you stop the flow of money from Saudi Arabia to these groups(money that we give them BTW) it wont matter if we capture Ossama or Omar. Wahabism is what is at the core of the problem and until we destroy that ugly strain of Islam there will be many more willing to take their place. If the powers that be really wanted to stop these people they would freeze every Saudi bank account in the world, but that will not happen as long as the Saudi royality is ingrained into the upper echelons of the financial markets of the world.
That's why I posted a link to the Onion article above. The dialogue is ridiculous and circular and has been going on for 9 years and two administrations.
Obviously something else is going on and these reports are a distraction; a fake barometer for progress in the war.
And when did we become the religious dictators of the entire planet? Straw man, and a big one. No disrespect to you, Jeff, but I disagree.
The guy is right about the saudis. We have never gone after them, beyond holding hands and bowing.
They staffed and financed 911 and we invade the country to the north?
Not that taking them out would solve all our problems, but if we were going to use a military approach, Saudi Arabia would be a better place to start.
Major owners of CitiGroup, big time real estate owners in major US cities. It goes on and on. The Neocons are serious about a global economy (more money for them), and to accomplish that they must have a global government. It that sounds like some conspiracy theory, don't give into the knee-jerk and just think about it. Unless you already have, then never mind. The Neocons love war and money. Not necessarily in that order.
I feel that most of the money, leadership, and support for AQ comes from the Saudis and that is not a straw man big or small. Wahabism is what drives the Saudi royals outlook on the world and having seen it up close, it is not a good thing. I dont want us to be the dictaors of religon in the world, but I sure dont want us to be "friends"(wink wink) with the people that are the leaders of a religous sect that wants to rule the world in a way the is agianst almost everything that I believe in. Strave the beast of money and that would hurt it a lot more than any bombs ever could.
they stopped from investing in this country AFTER 9/11 by Bush Co? Starve the beast of money? How? By not buying their oil? That ship sailed. Take away all the property they own in this country including stocks in US companies? Especially after the recent SCOTUS decision? Not going to happen. Pretend that they are our friends? How is that working out for DC? Pretty good! Look how rich they all are getting there.
The Saudis are still getting money from this country and others, they are just better at hiding it behind shadow corps. How to starve the beast is more than just getting off of oil (which one of the many reasons why I am a big fan of green industry movement), it would take the financial markets of the world to turn their back on the Saudi money and think about the long term. It wont be easy to do this, but if the powers that be really wanted to do this, it could get done. Until I see that they are going after the purse strings that keep these groups going, and the Saudis hold almost all of the strings, anything that they do will be for pr and not to get to the real meat of the matter of how to defeat these people.
Hmmmmm...who is NewsCorp's biggest financial backer?
When Beck said shoot him in the head, the chick on the couch had to remind him that we should interrogate him before shooting him. Beck is such a great big blow hard. My husband I were watching that part with Beck when he said that. My husband said, "Hand Beck the gun if he feels shooting him in the head is what should be done, make him do it. Don't assign that task to anyone else."
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
The only lawful,civilized thing to do in this situation is to water torture false information out of his desperate ass, and THEN shoot him in the head.In Primary School.On Rule of Law Day.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
... Dick Cheney shot a buddy in the face, and the guy thanked him for it!
but the CIA has not erased it.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Says states having rights to succeede was settled in Civil War.
Sorry dude, I know that was your Ace in the hole.
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surprisingly.
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“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Couldn't wait to pee in your Wheaties.
This ruins my whole reenactment reunion tour.
I hope Slappy slaps some sense in that
dagodadgumm Yankee.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
that it is OK to pray for his death.
riffled my long Johns such I had to go out and soak in some of that 70 degree non warming sunshine and it hit me right upside the head. We don't even eat Wheaties unless they's Creamed O.
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“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I was so looking forward to fake-shooting you at Shiloh in 2012!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Even if you have balls, they are mini and I will escape unscathed.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
venture a guess here: He took long standing law from the civil war era that was probably one of the major issues of that war, and reaffirmed it in a letter meant to calm down the people who are furious about the SCOTUS corporate give away? Did I get that right?
overturn his letter and declare it only applies to that one damn war!
Least ways they better have else we'll have to get old smokey out and pepper Ft. Sumpter agin.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
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carpetbagger. That damn letter is four years old.
Scalia can reverse centuries of precedent when he's of a mind to. Besides, it was written to a guy who was afraid if Texas secedes he will lose his poet's license. We respect the poet licenses of all other states unless they are married to gay poets.
That ain't worth a point of moot poot.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
.....and see how it plays out.
Personally, I am for it with the condition you take every other state below the Manson/Nixon line.
other slave states. We got oil. You can keep 'em.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
My civics is a little rusty, but, HUH??
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Didn't you watch his confirmation hearings on C-Section.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
They would have little time for anything else.
Just think of the PTSD suits alone.
Sorry. Consent necessary.
Everyone knows you are suppose to draw and quarter him on Christmas Day...
These guys make me sick. If they ever were tortured, they would not be saying this crap. Their ignorance is pathetic.
Everyone who claims that waterboarding is not torture should volunteer to be waterboarded to prove their claim. If they refuse to do it, that should make anything else they say irrelevant for the rest of their life.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
we haven't forgotten.
At least that's how he puts it. Imagine if they waterboarded every Fox Terror pundit live on TV. That would get them the biggest ratings surge in the history of television!
But Fox isn't about ratings and Ailes knows it.
pay per view.
with a bunch of wannabe terrists watching the whole proceedings...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I'm sure even their regular viewers would even be interested, in a "Hyuck dats funny and I don't care who ye'are!" kind of way.
The two regular guys on fox and friends would start crying before they would do it and the chick would object because it would ruin her two and a half tons of makeup.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
in the head on live TV from a primary school assembly in New York.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
If and how often Hannity brings up the matter of water torture given the fact that he's too much of limp dick mouthpiece to subject himself to it.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
And Dick Cheney weeps in his secret mastubatorium.
n/t
Generally a nice hot shower will remove the visual.
Well, I'm certainly glad that Steve Douchbag, the Blonde Helmethead Bimbo and the other useless panel member are all in agreement that we oughta just waterboard the hell out of the captured terrorists. They ARE the leading authorities on interrogation, and that worked SO well during the previous administration.
Do any of them consider the reason the prisoners may be talking is that we're NOT torturing them?
And, Glendora, if you interrogate a prisoner and then shoot him in the head, how are you gonna keep that little nugget from getting out to any other terrorist who is considering surrendering? Why bother if you know you're gonna get shot no matter what? All you are doing by summary executions is to create more terrorists. The Brits did it in Ireland and it enraged more people into rebelling.
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
The 3 ClusterFox Stooges look at The Nutty Professor like he's some sort of God.
But, they are have shown Blech's show in England with no advertisers for the last 5 days. Too much hate for them.
Just about right for us, I guess.
Fox must be picking up the tab for those five days. I doubt any station can afford to give away five hours a week these days.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
It's the Limbaugh/Walmart marketing strategy.
infomercials. That would give those crappy products a healthy boost, I'd bet.
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---Southwest Airlines
show. He advances their agenda.
This prick could be a clown in a circus without any make-up....none. He looks, sounds and acts like a clown.
What a dumb ass dip-shit. Hope he got his tubes tied, cause we sure don't need any more idiots running around the planet with his genes in them.
He already has kids
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
:)
Its a start.
of a whuppin either in the office or on the playground.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
do you want them incarcerated for it as well.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Peter Doocy is walking in his father's footsteps. He's a morally bankrupt sycophant who has been honing is skills in the black art of yellow journalism.
I wonder if they take off their magical underware before they do it. Anyone see "Big Love" this week? Seems like they don't. Take it off, I mean. I have so many questions.
It's really sick how the soulless puppets on Faux Noise desire people to be tortured. They automatically assume that any captured is guilty, and is a terrorist. What it all boils down to with them is innocents be dammed they want their blood. All caught up in the BS that America is perfect in all ways, and could never do anything wrong. Questioning the moral, and humane nature of our country is not anti-patriotic. Questioning who we are, and what we do is what makes us caring human beings. I love America, but I don't always like what is done in our name.
I think we would all agree with your comment and especially the final three sentences.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
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I have a Smallpox Snuggie myself.
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“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
But I bet you really rock a Snuggie. ;-)
I gotta get me one!
;)
That's what the flap in the longhandles is about.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Another mystery solved!
the sheep will like.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
We wouldn't want those lucky sheep to look baaaaaad.
America is the most voluntary generous nation on this not really warming earth.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
The captured man is STILL IN THE HANDS OF THE PAKISTANI GOVERNMENT!! Right now he is a Pakistani prisoner . .
What the hell are they talking about?? Do these idiots ever do any research before they speak, Jeez!!!!!!!!
or raw, sir?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Of course not. Gets in the way of the messaging.
First Lady going on Foxes Huckabilly show to talk about childhood obesity.
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i have not posted in a while, but this latest is too much.
i do not claim to be a christian, but i have a feeling that these people consider themselves to be christians, the people on fox to be specific.
i have very little sympathy for any of these so-called followers of the "abrahamic religions", i consider all of them, xtians, moslems, jews, whatever - to be neurotic at best, and psychotic at worst.
it is hard to live life without protective illusions, but living with delusions leads to the kind of vile garbage this torture cheerleader is spewing.
i think these people know damn good and well that islamic peoples have access to satellite and that his comments will be heard all over the muslim world.
this bozo is doing al-qaedas recruiting for them, i hazard a guess that he is a rapture-ready "christian", and actually would relish another attack, so that his warmonger friends could get into power.
i give up on this country - obama is cozying up to wall street, giving ammo to the teabaggers - and the fcc, or justice dept. is too gutless to take on murdoch.
this guy is advocating breaking international law on national tv.
cheney admitted directing yoo to break the law, on national tv, and nothing is done.
i am not a lawyer, but this sort of thing cannot go on.
this is the most vile, reprehensible thing i have ever seen in my life - advocating for torture publicly - fox should be off the today, right now, period.
this is too unbelievable.
They are rewriting the bible to get rid of some of the more liberal passages. Guess they are tired of being called on their hypocrisy.
Instead of Christ upsetting the money changers table, he instead tells them about Ponzi schemes and high risk derivatives..
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Study the symptoms not the virus...
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Actually the problem isn't that waterboarding would turn him into a martyr, since presumably he wouldn't be killed in that manner.
It's that it would taint evidence against him, precluding the possibility of using it in either military or civilian courts.
And then what, hold him indefinitely without charges?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
over a trillion dollars spent and still no omar or bin laden.
even a stinking drunk in a tavern can hit the bull's eye more often than these guys. previous admin 7 years, u.s.military 9 years, obama admin 1 year... c'mon guys.
They're getting to be just laughable , not even worthy of my getting pissed off anymore .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
I don't watch the Fox and Friends but is that what they do? On a news channel? Sit around and assume and and guess and make up facts as they drift into their heads rather than actually research this stuff and give us the real facts for us to decide ourselves? Unbelievable. Fox news needs to register as a lobbyist for the GOP.
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