Evan Bayh breaks out the 'socialism' canard in saying "No" to universal health care
By John Amato Sunday Apr 12, 2009 11:10am
On FOX News Sunday with Chris Wallace, Convervakrat Evah Bayh joined hard-right fanatic Tom "Dr. No" Coburn and echoed his conservative principles and renewed his opposition to universal health care for America.
It's really sad that a man rumored to be a VP pick is using the tired right wing talking points that the government can't do anything effectively and he had the frakkin' nerve to bring in the Hannity-Beck line calling everything in sight "socialism" to describe Obama's fiscal beliefs. Is he seriously a member of the Democratic Party? He's against any form of nationalism of the banking industry and wins the coveted "C&L Propaganda Spoon" befitting a FOX Talker when he called universal health care socialized medicine.
Bayh: Some action in the crisis was called for, that's in the short run. In the long run though we've got to start unwinding some of these things. We don't want the government in the business of owning our banks. We don't want the government intruding any more than it has to in the private sector so we've got to start reversing some of this once the momentum is in the economy to grow the economy once again to stabilize situations and I do agree with Tom, when it comes to health care we don't want "socialized medicine," but there is an appropriate role for government to expand coverage, to make it more affordable for people who don't have the means and that actually enables to meet the challenges....
Evan Good Bye should be a regular on Hannity's Great America panel. He'd fit in like a glove. Good Bye was very outspoken against President Obama's budget and is setting up a Blue Dog caucus of his own in the Senate. That's just what we need, failed conservative economic principles at a critical time in our history.
Bayh, a leading contender to be Obama’s running mate last year, was one of only two Democrats to vote against the president’s budget. He also has formed a 15-member group of centrist Senate Democrats called the Moderate Dems Working Group.
“I’ve been a fiscal conservative throughout my career. It’s nothing personal to the president, “ Bayh said. "In the short run, I agree with the president. We do need to stimulate the economy. The government needs to step in… In the long run, I think the deficits and the debt are too high. We need to get those under control. So that was the reason for my vote there."
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Never did trust that guy.
bayh is and has been sucking from the
LIEberman teet/a-hole. delicious says bayh
...it's time for that corrupt douchebag to be voted out of office.
having him as you representative. It's really crappy.
Didna they say the same thing about Medicare?
If they government can't run anything, why do we let them start wars?
And isn't the government where he gets his health-care from?
His medical coverage is every bit social.
This dumbass can't even see that.
But this guy isn't a progressive by any means
I love that... Can't trust them with a scalpel, but give them 1.5 million nuclear weapons and the ability to torture people and they assure us they will do a good job.
You know who's the idiot here... We are.
...we should retake the word "socialized" and use it for all the appropriate programs currently socialized in this Republic of ours.
Socialized Law Enforcement
Socialized Fire Protection
Socialized Primary Education
Socialized Retirement (SS and MediCare/Aid)
Socialized Water Management
And the list continues. We already have socialism in the USA, and need to remind the people that it does good within our society.
Bayh is a DINO.
I suppose that in Indiana, he's probably the best thing we've got.
His father Senator Birch Bayh was the best we HAD. Too bad Evan grew up with such a great man for a father and ended up a smuck. Evan wants to be President and is counting on Obama to not succeed at anything. He'll personaly do everything he can to obstuct Obama for his own goals. He's Lieberman all over. What an ass.
but there's a trend toward privatizing these, too. either through opt-outs or budget crisis which usually result in the downscaling or making inefficient (underfunding) public pgms. what we now trend is public financing of private pgms (which leave us holding the bag when they fail). imho.
fwiw, i prefer that we focus on making this country work, quality of life: health, education, infrastructure, environment. we could have such a better quality of life if we turned away from corporate greed model.
Worse than holding the bag when they fall, We get lent money at interest from private people (banks) then we get our money devalued by inflation (more banks) as time progresses and to pay for our 'public services' we hire private people (corporations) who take most of that money and provide a substandard service with no recourse. (Can't fire the employee's only argue contractual obligations)
This creates a system of spiraling debt and no way of ever getting out. Can't even cancel the contracts since they put in clauses that prevent that.
It's all about power. We don't have it, and we need to take it back.
SOCIALIZED ARMED FORCES!!!!!
this afternoon.
What a great documentary!
Michael Moore hit this one waaaay out of the ball park.
It makes me "sick" to think that the for-profit insurance companies are now basically controlling the healthcare agenda discussions in Congress.
this afternoon.
What a great documentary!
Michael Moore hit this one waaaay out of the ball park.
It makes me "sick" to think that the for-profit insurance companies are now basically controlling the healthcare agenda discussions in Congress.
It does good, but not for the rich. They feel they pay for your "social programs" at their detriment, cause the more you lose, the more they gain.
"I have bodyguards, a walled neighbourhood, money, big cars and powerful friends. I'll never use these social programs so get rid of them..." - Rich bastard
This is what they think. the poor can buy their own police like we did.
They have a dream where they are the kings and we are the serfs. "the good old days" when you could just scare the commoners with a few words about 'mighty righteousness' and 'Gods will' and other such non-sense.
I've seen the graphs of their predictions. The "post industrial age" where corporations are like monarchies and the new noble houses of old. After a few generations of no education, no police (no social programs whatsoever) we will think their TV's are like 'magic talking boxes' and they get their magic stuff from their 'wizards'.
I mean, we don't have anything but some old guns, they will have high electrified walls with those military microwave "heat rays" to drive away the peasants.
Getting workers will be as easy as wandering into a village and stealing people. I mean, they are slaves on your land anyways.
Sad that this is so predictable that it hurts.
Bayh is in the pocket of Big Insurance. And Pharma.
$2.3 mil from finance/insurance/real estate sector. $220k+ from pharma.
for doing the leg work. Only 220k from Big Pharma? Wow, he's a cheap date.
The Big Ins doesn't surprise me.
$531.7k from Health sector
This makes alot of sense.
Evah Bayh is a DLCer or GOP-lite, so I am never surprised by anything he or other like-minded Democrats have to offer or say. They may as well be Republicans. Evah Bayh, oh well, the Dems have him.
The likes of Evah Bayh and other "GOP-like or lite Democrats" figured in my decision to become a member of the Green Party.
He's from Indy, and the town is run by Eli Lilly.
'Nuff said.
As in drug manufacturer Lilly?
Lilly Corporate Center
Indianapolis, Indiana 46285 USA
Phone: +1-317-276-2000
Indiana also has Gov Mitch Daniels (R), former President of Eli Lilly and Company's North American Pharmaceutical Operations and CEO of the Hudson Institute.
The only thing we can do is marginalize the guy. Don't allow any of his pet projects to go through, deny him funding and certainly don't give the guy any Party money!
You think? Yeah? It is a nice thought and all. I agree with your sentiment but wouldn't hold my breath too long that it would ever happen with this Democratic Party leadership.
I am sure Evah Bayh never met a defense bill he did not like either. The man does not oppose socialism for the big defense contractors, but, only when it comes to helping all of the people. Bayh is a big whore for the defense industry.
I got two words for Evan Bayh: Ned Lamont.
Just say nein.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1G9wLGit4k
...where is thy sting?
It may surprise the Son of a Birch from Indiana, but the S-word ain't scaring too many people anymore. Especially most of the 20- and 30-somethings I work with for whom Cold Wars and Red Scares are musty historical relics. Our healthcare system has become so dysfunctional that the idea of "socialized medicine" is less a pejorative and more an alternative.
If this be socialism, let us make the most of it. Sure beats living in fear over the prospect of losing your insurance, or being financially wiped out by a single episode of illness.
Y'All remember from the other day how I was bored with your daily, nearly non-stop coverage of the Beck-ster, pointing out that it really isn't any work to go to Fox so much, and it was asked what I wanted instead? Ok. This post would be a good example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5URYhXE55bo&fe...
Watching that smug twit makes me sick to my stomach.
The private sector is never going to supply affordable health coverage. After decades of trying (or, in truth, not really trying, because its goal is not coverage, but profit) the market has given us a totally dysfunctional, bizarre system of waste, misdirected resources, and bogus priorities.
My guess is that Bayh is looking at 2012 and being the acceptable Republican answer to Obama; that is, he'll run from the right within the Democratic Party, but he'll offer essentially Republican policies. In this country, filled as it is with idiots and Right Wing ideologues (those two categories account for most of the population), that could sell. Of course, it would be a disaster for the non-wealthy, but this is a country of, by, and for the rich.
A perfect illustration of what is wrong with the "left" wing in the United States. We have a far "right" party and a "right" party. There is no alternative to the corporatist domination of this society, at least on that disgusting "media" we have crammed down our throats 24/7.
Was or was not his father a pretty good progressive?
Can he pull a lieberman already? This charade has gone on long enough.
You're out of touch with the struggling and suffering of the American people, mainly those who don't have a cushy Senate job with all the healthcare they'd need!
the banks/financial institutions have been fraudulent. selling liar loans/providing AAA agency ratings. NOW they shove the losses (socialize) down our proverbial throats. we want and many companies/organizations want healthCare reform. i say socialize the healthCare insurance industry. that industry like the banking industry is/have been pulling off a huge Ponzi Scheme. obama has been clear we need to be heard. he can't do it alone. healthCare insurance will double in cost by 2017. with unemployment continuing to rise with NO indication when it will reverse people will be in need of healthCare/insurance. many are taking out short term policies that will drop them eventually. the paying pool(s) will shrink causing cost to rise. people are also putting off procedures that will cost more as condition worsens and cost increases. people are getting to a point it could get nasty beyond tea parties.
We need a movement - maybe by Moveon or the like - to revoke the health care privileges of every elected representative in Washington. Including Obama and his family.
Let them see how it feels.
I know they can all afford to get their own health care - but until ALL Americans are covered - I believe NO ONE in Washington should have health care at the taxpayers expense. Period.
Why isn't anyone organizing this? It seems a completely obvious step at this point.
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What we need a A Jubilee... The erasure of all debts. Period.
Do that every 50 or so years like they did in Rome.
They realized that removing debts prevented the debt slavery and the exact situation which we now find ourselves in.
Republicans claim to worship Jesus- a guy who preached compassion and charity- but Republicans oppose helping others-They would rather see Americans die in the streets of hunger and illness rather than help them...
Where is their human empathy???
They have no problem with the money being used to kill people
I don't have health coverage, I can't afford it. it's cheaper to pay the $912 annual fine here in MA than the cost of coverage
there's a segment of religion that supports or is an instrument of the establishment (authority) and is not focused on other aspects.
they will cry out co-dependency. this will destroy capitalism. remember these are often people that believe/think the "market' capitalism is perfect. NOthing is perfect including the market. the LOVE and HATE relationship between government and corporation UNDER the shield of capitalism has left the people of the republic behind. in my opinion the corporation identity/capitalism is more at fault than government/politicians. politicians are fooled/lied to also. oh yes i understand many are paid off with
"black money". my point is corporations/money in washington have become too powerful. they don't want to help people because they don't care and also it will reduce what they get/have. the damage the relationship of corporations and government have/ has been very damaging to people the last 100 years. the gap of the have and have NOTs has widened to dangerous levels. in order to have a democracy you need safety nets. these people(elites) don't really care about democracy. they want gated communities and TAX havens.
I would figure since most Republicans claim to worship Jesus, they would emulate his example by helping those in need, healing the sick, feeding the hungry, etc,- but they don't..
others over the head with.
for some part of worshipping is a business/networking. there is plenty of hypocricy. many of these people judge people, as if they were given the ability to judge others. it's an interesting mindset.
Here is an idea- If Republicans oppose national health coverage, why don't they refuse to accept any taxpayer funded health coverage for themselves? They should refuse any health coverage that comes with their job, and go out and purchase their own health coverage...
many who do get healthCare insurance from their employer is subsidized by TAX payers. there's plenty of unfair taxation. there is a lot of socializing NOT fully understood by many because of the label it's given.
Bayh used the word "socialism" sarcastically in reference to fiscally conservative industry representative groups that support Obama's plan. And he generally defended Obama's actions so far and was quite reasonable. He's right about health care too - the best solution in the US is a private system where the government picks up the slack. i.e. Obama's plan.
We want socialized medicine, not more corporate medicine. Corporate medicine exists to enrich insurance companies. People die of untreated illnesses under America's corporate medicine system. We have socialized fire, police, education, highways, military. We deserve socialized medicine.
The Democratic Party ought to come up with primary challengers to bluedogs like Bayh.
i would settle for "socialized" healthCare insurance. what's interesting the healthCare insurance industry is dirty and plays with an UNfair advantage. monopoly like strategy structure/price fixing. manipulating reimbursement. they write the rules and change the rules. the consequences for cheating are NOT stiff enough. they format/design/manipulate the paying pool to their advantage. the healthCare insurance model needs to change NOW.
We don't need insurance, we need a system like Medicare. We don't need to continue to enrich insurance companies with billions of our health care dollars. Insurance is not the answer, it's part of the problem. As for fraud, I'm all for investigation and proscecution being a big component of a universal health care system.
Heck most systems of socialized medicine won't even allow your drugs in the country. (Canada bans many drugs made by the US because they are simply not tested nor safe.)
Corporations want money and are totalitarian organizations with no democratic prerogative. The rich would like to see Corporations take over everything. Especially us. New World Order... One Corporation Under God. We call it a merger of government and Corporate power. By dictionary definition, that's called "Fascism"
If Detroit "falls" who will "own it" like which bank will take it over? If California "falls" who holds the debt? Who "owns" California? A Bank? AGI? China?
This is what they would like to see. If it falls it goes to someone. Banks and Corporations Owning cities and eventually whole states as they drive them into the dirt.
A State can revoke a corporate charter, I think they should start by the ones who "own" their debts.
That Fox would book two republicans for the same show...
I think it is well known that US style capitalism is FAR from perfect,and in some ways, an abject failure- but it seems nobody in the American media, save for Mike Malloy, will discuss the failure of US style capitalism. Is US style capitalism some sacred cow that cannot be critisized?
Done right it will benefit everyone including the corporations, but nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Of course Repukes would be against it even if it was proven to them by God. Repukes only love God when he agrees with THEM.
Capitalism is still probably the best of the isms. But agree with Tom, where questioning if the US model is the best way to go. I know the Repukes like to point to Canada and Europe and pretty much every other western country as commies/socialist, but they are all capitalist. Most other countries add just a bit more humanity to capitalism than the US of A. Repukes hate humanity; including themselves, it's the only explanation.
Thank you for contacting me regarding my role in bringing together a working group of moderate Democrats in the Senate. I appreciate your taking the time to write me and giving me this opportunity to clarify my reasons for starting this group.
First, before forming the group, I informed President Obama and he supported the idea. All 16 Democratic Senators who joined our group are serious about taking bold action to create jobs, reform our health care system, improve our schools, and end our dangerous dependence on foreign oil. It is our strong intention to be constructive, not obstructive.
Last year, I campaigned vigorously across the state of Indiana for Barack Obama because I believe in what he is trying to do for America-and I agree that big changes are the only way to solve enormous challenges neglected and compounded by the Bush administration.
The debate before us is purely one of details. Moderates may have individual ideas about how different pieces of legislation get crafted, but we are united in support of the bold strokes of President Obama's agenda. Contrary to some media reports, we formed our group to sustain, not slow, the President's agenda. You may be interested to read an op-ed I wrote last month in the Washington Post, "Building Bridges on the Hill," that explains our reasons for forming the group. Our overriding goal is to attract the support we need to move an ambitious legislative agenda in the Senate.
It was moderate Democrats who played the key role in helping pass President Obama's economic recovery plan. I was proud to be part of a successful effort to enlist the Republican support needed to pass the president's stimulus bill to invest in job creation, health care, education and renewable energy. It was moderate Democrats who reached across the aisle and moved this priority over the finish line-and we did it quickly, getting help to those who need it most.
In the short time since he was inaugurated, President Obama says we've made historic progress. I agree with him, and I've been pleased to support him on the vast majority of his agenda. I voted for, and Congress passed, an enormous expansion of the children's health insurance program, legislation repeatedly vetoed by President Bush. It will help millions of children get the health care they deserve. I voted for, and Congress passed, the Lilly Ledbetter Act to help ensure that women receive equal pay for equal work. I voted for, and Congress passed, a public lands bill that makes significant investments in protecting our environment. Additionally, I opposed efforts to make permanent the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.
We formed our moderates group to bring together legislators of like minds to think through complicated issues. One of the most complicated of all is how to dig ourselves out of a recession without plunging America trillions of dollars deeper into debt. The new administration and the new Congress have inherited the Bush recession and staggering deficits. I am realistic about the economic hole we are in right now, but we can't lose sight of our long-term economic health and the importance of living within our means. The alternative is passing on our bills for our children and grandchildren to pay. If we gave a credit card today to every American child with an equal share of our national debt, each child's card would have a balance of $120,000.
The choice between fiscal responsibility and solving our immediate economic problems is a false choice. Peter Orzag, President Obama's budget director, has publicly warned of the dangers of unsustainable deficits. I agree with the administration that we must tackle our biggest challenges while also addressing our rising deficits and debt.
As you may know, the budget resolution is a fiscal blueprint for Congress. It does not carry the force of law, and it does not appropriate funds. Funding for health care, job creation, and energy independence is determined during the annual appropriations process, which occurs later in the year. I plan to work closely with the White House and my colleagues in Congress to increase funding levels for key priorities important to Indiana's middle class families.
We cannot afford four more years of partisan stalemate. As moderates, we want to help build bridges, forge progress, and get the bipartisan support needed to pass major reforms. I am committed to helping President Obama bring about transformational change. If he succeeds, America succeeds.
Again, thank you for contacting me. I value your input and hope you will continue to keep me informed of the issues important to you.
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Even though Bayh is one of those entrenched incumbents with an even extra dose of name recognition, I think it's time to start funneling dollars to an honest Democrat who might challenge him in the next primary. Are there any names out there yet? I got my checkbook ready. This dog Bayh has got to go.
Ba-bye bayh.
Bayh is just miffed that he didn't get the VP nod, and he's just trying his best to make the new President look as awful as possible.
Bayh doesn't seem to know some essential things...
1. Obama won Indiana, the first time a Democrat has won the state in a very long time.
2. The Dems picked up a lot of seats in the Senate and House.
3. The Republicans, whom Bayh is trying to emulate, lost very badly in the last 2 election cycles.
4. Obama won the election. He's the president.
5. Bayh has government run health care himself.
Bayh is really starting to annoy me. He's the new Lieberman. He's a media whore and is willing to derail the president's (and the country's) agenda just to make himself look big. What a prick.
..doesn't mean shit. Look at joe liverwurt, zell miller, and many, many more before them. The "d" is simply what works to get them elected, and they are usually the lesser of the two evils.
Maybe there are a few with "r's" after their names that give a shit about those less fortunate than themselves? Doubtful, but worth finding out.
Why is no one who objects to "socialized medicine" ever asked to define it?
Seriously, the phrase is trotted out all the time as the worst possible outcome of health care reform. What is it, exactly?
I bet Bayh and the other self-professed anti-socialists have no idea what they are really saying.
I'm a participant in my provincial medical plan, for which I pay 54 bucks a month for all the doctor appointments, specialist referrals and hospital care I need (I have a separate, private plan for dental, drugs and extended care). This is NOT "socialized medicine". My doctor is an independent, private businessman. He does NOT work for the government. He, and no one else, diagnoses, advises and prescribes to me, without any government gatekeeper or adjuster involved.
In the UK, all hospitals are directly owned and run by the NHS. All NHS doctors work for the government as salaried employees. That, arguably, is "socialized medicine". But every country is different. Some have public insurance only, with self-employed doctors and private, publicly funded hospitals - like Canada. Some, like Japan, have private insurers that must provide care. Some, like Ireland, have a mix of public and private insurance, with various models of government involvement in hospitals and care.
Every single one of these systems provides better care at lower cost than the US.
The US already has a measure of "socialized medicine". It's called Medicare, Medicaid and the VA medical system. It works extremely well. Does Bayh want to get rid of Medicare, Medicaid and VA hospitals?
What Canadians have is socialized insurance, not medicine. I'll take that over HMOs, partial coverage, retroactive cancellation of coverage, high deductibles and bogus "pre-existing conditions" anyday.
In the UK, all hospitals are directly owned and run by the NHS. All NHS doctors work for the government as salaried employees. That, arguably, is "socialized medicine". But every country is different. Some have public insurance only, with self-employed doctors and private, publicly funded hospitals - like Canada. Some, like Japan, have private insurers that must provide care. Some, like Ireland, have a mix of public and private insurance, with various models of government involvement in hospitals and care.
But not all NHS trusts run the same way. For instance, I never paid for dental care in Scotland, but I have to pay in England, (not now, because I am pregnant.) There are private hospitals and clinics in the UK, as the NHS will not fund treatment they don't see as necessary, such as plastic surgeries (unless it is reconstructive) My job has a private insurance plan, but the NHS works perfectly fine for me so I have no need to pay for treatment.
The rest of your post is exactly right-- there is socialized medicine in the USA. I am American, and until I moved over here, I didn't realise how bad healthcare in the USA really is. It is the fault of big Pharma. I truly wish all drug companies were government run and non-profit, but then I am a nasty socialist.
We on the Left should work to get rid of his ass.
has his head up his ass.
"I agree with the president. That's why I'll be working to thwart him at every turn and get a Republican elected in 2012. Nothing personal."
Turd.
“I’ve been a fiscal conservative throughout my career.”
Hate to burst his bubble, but single payer health care is the fiscally conservative approach. While Europe and Japan spends 11% of GDP and cover everybody, we spend 16% of GDP and leave 16% of the population uncovered. Bayh is a corporate welfare whore.
We hear a lot of obfuscation and ideology, but we don't see cost comparisons. That's because a cost comparison would make clear what we need to do - copy a health care system that costs less and covers everybody. We have a problem with the forth estate in having the national debate over health care not including cost analysis.
I work for a large employer, and they don't buy me health insurance. They don't need to; when a company reaches a certain number of people, there is no point in buying insurance, instead they are self-insured, sort of the single payer approach at the corporate level. There's choice. They have the core coverage, and a number of HMO options, some of which are also self insured, and other HMO options where they subsidize the insurance premium. Needless to say, where the alternatives cost more than the core coverage, then the employee pays extra.
There's no reason why, as a self insured nation, we can't use the same approach. Of course, when examining other countries systems, we also need to duplicate what they are doing to control pharmaceutical costs, and other cost controls.
Senator Bayh gets his health care paid for by the government, but he doesn't want that for others. Anyone that wants to continue "for profit" health care is in the pocket of business and not the American people. As long as business pulls the strings, the costs will rise and more Americans will be left out, bankrupted and short changed.
Why is this such a surprise? Wackenhut, which runs privatized prisons in the US, whispers in legislators' ears all the time about passing bills relating to crimes... gee, no conflict of interest there, right? Hmm, let's just make more things punishable by prison terms (or create bills like "Three Strikes You're Out" or pass minimum sentencing bills) that would directly benefit the company that's imprisoning the criminals... Same with health insurance companies and Big Pharma; they never want single-payer health care so they'll do everything in their power (including pay for propoganda to brainwash the ignorant American public) to fight universal health care.
Evan meet Joe. You can now suck eggs together. ;-()
Socialized medicine seems to work pretty damn well for members of Congress, which leads me to this question: are hypocrites naturally drawn to conservatism, or does conservatism create hypocrites?
A dem. with a brain. Go Evan!!!
Leave it up to a conservative state like Indiana to stand up and say'
Hey aren't we spending WAY too much money here". Let's not break open our child's piggy bank here.
Evan is right too, the government can't run so much as a Dairy Queen. Let alone healthcare.
there's so much here, I don't know where to start.
Again, as reiterated through much of the previous posts, which
I'm sure you didn't read, when this "Dem with a brain," gives
up his own socialized healthcare, as provided by the government,
then he might be slightly credible.
And, if this is such a terrible place to live wherein nothing works
properly, then perhaps you would be more comfortable elsewhere.
in mind, the fact that this {Edited} maggot has the best health care package that taxpayer money can buy!Don't you voters in Indi-FUCKING-ana have any pride? How in the fuck can you people live with yourselves by voting for this piece of shit?I live in Michigan and I don't go to Indi-Fucking-ana because it's like visiting a 3rd world country! You people make me want to puke!
{Edited SiteMonitor}
many places in the Midwest revel in their backwardness.
Our relatives in Missouri are very proud of the things they don't know.
Excuse me Indiana is a third word country? Let's see, You Michigan dirt farmers have one of the highest unemployment rates in the country. You know why? Because it is run by a bunch of liberal Democrats who just spend and spend. How the fuck do you get out of debt by spending more money? Makes no sense. Indiana is one of the few states in this country that had a budget surplus up until the stock market tanked last fall. We still enjoy a low budget to earnings ratio. You know why that is? Because we have a gov. and reps. that get it. They understood years ago that in order to have an economy that thrives you need to lower taxes to draw companies in and lower taxes
to keep people here. That is what he did and that is why he is still in office. This state did vote for Obama but we kept our Republican Gov. and Evan is a good rep. for us. I tip my hat to him for standing up to this utterly horrible spending spree that only puts us deeper into debt.
And why is he a piece of shit? Because he did not lay down to Obama and vote for his joke ass heathcare program?
This program is the only thing that is a fucking joke.
By the way, I do not alway's bash Obama. I think he did a great job with the pirate standoff. I'll give him credit when it is due, but his spending and nationalizing healthcare is not a good idea and if they do not get their heads out of their asses real soon and stop this spending spree it will be the dems in the minority in 2010 and 2012. Enjoy it libs, cause it wont last long. And it will be your own undoing with all this liberal bullshit. So farm your dirt up there in Michigan. Keep it up and you'll end up like California. Broke and begging for help.
Why is it right for our elected officials to have universal healthcare and not for the constituents?
Just a fringe benefit?
If that's the case, then the constituents should have UHC because we pay them.
I agree. I think all those elected officials should have their own insurance that they pay for out of their pockets, not ours.
I also think that we should not have to pay for their retirement and pensions and all that crap. They should serve the people (like the oath they take states) for free. They want to serve the people. They should not expect a damn thing in turn except the satisfaction of knowing they served the country with pride and dignity. There are people like that somewhere I'm sure?
I didn't know that what we need to do is to let the FREE MARKET determine market conditions and drive
competition and solve the escalating costs of health care and insure the 46 million people who currently don't have health insurance. Isn't that what we did with the banking industry? Wow, that's fucking BRILLIANT!
Too bad the FREE MARKET system would never be able to do those things in a million years. Yes, we need to improve efficiency and cut waste and stop fraud. I am definitely in favor of doing all those things. But we also need to extricate private insurance from anyone's ability to access health care. All the administrative costs and waste and fraud associated with private insurance, not to mention the abuses that that industry routinely commits in its capricious and highly questionable business practices are one of the main reasons we have such a runaway health care cost dilemma. Going to a single payer system would immediately eliminate a gigantic amount of waste and fraud and might, in itself, solve the problem of ever skyrocketing health care costs and help restore some stability to our economy.
My advice would be to join the rest of the world and get rid of insurance and switch to a single payer, government-run health care delivery system.
I remember Birch Bayh. He was a good guy. Evan on the other hand with that ministerial haircut and his corporation directing wife is another story. Why does Evan believe that what he does is so great that he deserves secure healthcare and the rest of America has to rely on the goodness and mercy of the insurance industry? He is a corporatist and needs to be exorcised from the party. Do we think that Evan was responsible for Obama's win? I sure hope not. Fox as always picks a line-up of deviants and evil-do'ers to make our Sunday morning so enjoyable. It's hard to believe that an issue like universal healthcare which is good for everyone can be made to be so sinister and so anti-America. Socialized medicine is much better than corporate medicine. We are our brothers' keepers.
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