Fred Thompson says the Afghanistan war is lost!
I'm totally against the Afghanistan war, as C&Lers know, and it was lost as soon as Bush and Cheney decided to attack Iraq. Any chance to stabilize that region was lost immediately thereafter. The world had rallied around Afghanistan in such a way that that country could have been reconstructed and repaired by now.
So President Obama finds himself in a bad situation caused by conservative beliefs and now there really is only one strategy left: When do we leave? That being said, Fred Thompson, in a hatchet-job fashion, says the Afghan war is lost too, because Obama just isn't into it. Wow, aren't Republicans into fighting endless wars for profits?
Fred Thompson must know that Bush abandoned Afghanistan and forged his move to attack and remove the Taliban as nothing more than a chess move to attack Iraq.
Former Sen. Fred Thompson today intensified his party's criticism of President Obama's long deliberation over policy in Afghanistan, announcing that Obama's delay signals that "the war has been lost" and that nothing the president now does will "make any difference."
"It really doesn't matter how President Obama divides the Afghan baby, how he splits the difference between McChrystal and Biden. Because the war has been lost," Thompson said on his radio show today. "I say this because of one sad and simple fact. The president does not have the will and determination to do what's necessary to win it. His heart's not in it, and never has been. The Taliban knows it. Al Qaeda knows it. Our allies know it. And the American people know it.
Americans turned against these two wars a long time ago and public opinion will only keep declining. Vermin like Thompson only look for opportunities to cut up the president as often as possible. And they are using this conflict like the blade. They are a sad movement.
Thompson has the nerve to suggest that a sitting President doesn't care what happens in a war that is taking place now. These conservatives have no shame and that's why conservatism is a sham.
Remember the Faux outrage over Harry Reid?
This morning on Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard editor William Kristol said that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-NV) remark that the Iraq war is lost is “much more disgraceful” than Sen. Trent Lott’s (R-MS) 2002 claim that the country would be much better off if it had maintained racist segregation policies.
“What Harry Reid said is much more disgraceful than anything Trent Lott said, and I do think Democrats should ask Harry Reid to step down,” Kristol said.
Why should ANYONE give a tiny rat's ass what you have to say?
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P.S. Why do you hate America?
something about being a LOSER. And, he did play an Admiral once in a movie....so, he knows how to Win wars......#:}
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
How is what Fred Fucking Thompson said not seditious? He's telling our enemies, mind reader that he pretends to be, that the Commander in Chief doesn't "have his heart in it."Fuck him and all the loud mouthed, right wing America haters.
Time for Obama to unleash Bush's Patriot Act (oh the irony) on these Traitors starting with FOX and then clearing out the stinking sulphor odor of AM Hate Radio.
Every repub, right-winger and god himself could join in a global chorus of "Get the fuck out of Afghanistan!" and if Obama then did it, they'd hammer him for being a surrendering failure of an America hating terrorist.
Fred "could I have a round of applause" Thompson is indeed a sham as is conservatism. I couldn't agree more.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
I'm thinking we'll see more of this.
The republicants taking positions on both sides of an issue - that way no matter what happens some RW mouthpiece can claim so-and-so was right and the president was wrong.
I think it will work too - at least for some of the less informed or less educated.
*sigh*
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
The only foreign policy that makes sense to me is Ron Paul's and no I'm not a Paulite. I'm a socialist.
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While I think both the Afghan and Iraq wars were senseless and unnecessary, in a world chock full of senseless people, sometimes it can be beneficial to be the baddest senseless people in the world.
is great..... until your economy collapses.
Everything is great until your economy collapses.
War is conducted by the powerful against the less powerful.
By the Imperial for the Imperial.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Republicans can't help letting their NeoCon fascination out of the bottle. So what Thompson wants is at least 10 years of our military there in great strength, and with no guarantees of anything.
But, of course, don't ask Thompson's rich friends to help pay for it. I wonder if tea baggers would accept a 20% increase in their income taxes to pay for it. Nah.
Grade B actor and Grade B politician.
How did this man not become the GOP nominee and President?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Well, Fred certainly should know about lost causes, now shouldn't he?
I really hope we aren't too late.
Dwight D warned us and coming from a military guy we should have all listened very closely to his words.
The MIC has taken over the government both here and abroad.
More than half of every tax dollar is spent on the military or in the MIC.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
the MIC has left the US taxpayers to pay for since Ike's warning I'd say yeah it's too late.
baby jesus declared Fred Thompson lost long ago
Afghanistan = Caspian Sea oil and natural gas reserves. It is also a stepping-stone to Eurasia’s vast mineral deposits. Read “The Grand Chessboard” by Zbigniew Brzezinski. Now who better to get all of this than us? Or would you rather have the Russians and/or Chinese have it? This is geopolitics, something that has been going on since Alexander the Great, and not likely to end anytime soon. Political Correctness is simply a flash in the pan, although a wonderful emasculator if you go for that sort of thing in a real and vicious world.
except for missing the fact that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq screwed the pooch for the US on that one. The fall of the Soviet Union was the US's opening to gaining control of the mineral wealth of that region through non-military development. The Bush administration ignorance and incompetence was the closing of that opening with their ill conceived neo-con wars of aggression. And it will never ever open again in our lifetimes.
Good point. But now that Brzezinski is one of Obamas handlers, he is no doubt frantically moving the chess pieces to attain the same objective. With the US economy going into the tank, going for broke seems to be the only path open.
Hope another Re-sluglican has discontinued breeding. Makes me wonder how long will it take for them to die out?
No se!
Senorita BOnita
PS
nix the military industrial complex!
Couldn't make it as president a very poor actor and now you think you can give meaningful advice to our president!!!! NOT!!!!!!
You need to crawl back and a hole and keep your trap shut!!!!!!!
Afghanistan was lost *before* Bush and Cheney decided to attack Iraq. There's no "winning" in Afghanistan. There's nothing to win. What does "winning" there even mean? No one has ever defined it. Better just to get the hell out before more of our service people--and those we've convinced to die with us--get killed.
What does "winning" in Afghanistan mean?
In other words, what was the objective of the military action?
To remove the Taliban and install a government sympathetic to (primarily) American Corporate interests.
Why?
Because the Taliban had broken the deal they'd made with Enron to build a pipeline for the Central Asian natural gas owned by Enron to be pumped to a seaport in Pakistan, for distribution world wide.
That's what "winning" means in Afghanistan - getting that pipeline built.
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
And so I say again--better to just get the hell out.
..to harvest the largest Poppy crop ever.
You don't think we went into Afghanistan to capture the leader of the organization who attacked us on 9/11 do you? Why would we have done that? Oh yeah, the idiot who was deciding said so.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Wherefore art thou, public discourse, when we listen as a heartless man complains that the heart of another is not sufficiently enthused by war?
What future has a republic whose loudest faction mistakes the marriage of ignorance and certainty for common sense?
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
He's a strong leader!
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(.. but should we follow him over the cliff? I dunno ..)
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
That's it in a nutshell as they say.
Afghans could have fresh food and water, education for all and free and fair elections and yet there could always be a complaint of failure.
These losers kill me. Zero solutions and criticism of Obama 24/7.
Al Qaeda has already won. they have suckered us into an unwinnable war that we will continue to pour our best young men and women into until we run out off money and collapse like the Russians before us. the conservatives will insist just as they always do that we must have "Peace with Honor" as with Viet Nam, and continue to pour our soldiers into the meat grinder because they are to arrogant to admit defeat.
And they'll never have either because the only way to get peace OR honor is Honor through Peace. Just as the so called Founding Fathers told the new nation called the United States of America. No money to be made in peace or honor though.
Any chance to stabilize that region was lost when the US started dropping bombs on Afghanistan. i 100% guarantee that! I said so the day before the bombing started and NOTHING to date has given me the slightest reason to believe I was wrong about that. Had the US used non-military means at it's disposal instead of slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children al-Qaeda would have been marginalized, bin;Laden likely caught and the Taliban regime would have either reformed or themselves been marginalized. But of course there wasn't trillions of dollars for the military industrial complex to make in that. This was ALWAYS about keeping the Pentagons bloated budget rationalized and if they had to create the enemies necessary for that by God they were more then willing to do it.
"Afghanistan ... could have been reconstructed and repaired by now."
Maybe. Maybe not. Twenty years ago I stood at the top of the Khyber Pass and stared down into Afghanistan, hoping that someday I would be able to travel through that country in peace. But I figured that I only had about forty years left and that the odds weren't very good. Eight years ago I had a brief hope that peace and health could return to the people there within a decade or so, but it was only hope -- not confidence. When we went into Iraq, that hope vanished. Now I've come full circle, or perhaps a bit more.
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Frederick of Hollywood values.
Good point. But now that Brzezinski is one of Obamas handlers, he is no doubt frantically moving the chess pieces to attain the same objective. With the US economy going into the tank, going for broke seems to be the only path open.
that this "ad" is being read by a professional actor
grade-schoolers make better taunts than this...
Half dead Fred; ugly, bald-headed and stupid, is no way to go through life.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
and end up running outta gas in some remote Afghan valley where Al Qaeda and the Taliban run things. oh but then since we 'lost' the war, according to him, no soldiers will be there to help him. im sure hell be able to get some directions from the locals. i hear theyre nice. he should be fine. harhar
I never realized that Iraq and Afghanistan were in the same region. Thanks.
I'm impressed.
...and it [Afghanistan] was lost as soon as Bush and Cheney decided to attack Iraq.
this is a convenient thought, but the invasion of a Muslin Middle Eastern country by a predominantly White Judeo-Christian Western nation(s) can never "succeed" (not in any sense that the westerners think of success.)
Insanity!
When republicans speak I find myself getting angry. Poor old fred is such an idiot. The war was lost when we went into Iraq. Fred is just another fucking lying republican scumbag.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness that is killing America with stupidity!!!
......of the chicken variety? Never having served in combat themselves, and not having lost family members either?
Afghanistan is very different from Iraq too, in the terrain, society. etc. There is one positive though. Continuing an invasion of this country will be good training for an invasion of Iran, should the chicken hawks prevail. You betcha ; )
.."I say this because of one sad and simple fact. The president does not have the will and determination to do what's necessary to win it."
Well, ferd, what would win it? Would the capture of obl eight years ago have won it? If YES, why did w and cheney run the other way to Iraq? Why doesn't the President un-leash Hell upon Afghanistan, surely all the dead will agree that we will then have won. Maybe he should have just thrown another 40,000 troops and untold billions into the country in the ten months he's been in office. Maybe if he has a BLT, you'll complain about the price of pork in America. Maybe you should SHUT THE FUCK UP, IDIOT! john mccain knew how to get obl; where's he at? What bright idea do you have? (crickets) I thought so. And if everyone knows we lost, why don't we just leave? Oh yeah, you'll think that a bad idea too. No idea good enough, any idea ammunition for the rights' vendatta against the President, his administration and his policies. Lead, Follow or get the F out of the way - ferd!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
went to hell thanks to the two wars carefully by the Republicans. Was Democracy the goal? Fuck, no. It was plain plundering by proxis like KBR, Halliburton, Black Water. That was the plan. The excuse was Samdam and the WDM. Thompson is not saying I'll enlist and fight this war. He is just toooo willing to send the others to die. And the defense industry is waiting for Obama's decision to escalate. I can see them rubbing their hands already counting their futures war profits. Motherfuckers!!
I'm glad that Fred Thompson's nurse was able to get him awake and dressed in time to make this pronouncement.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Bill Kristol should be a registered agent for a foreign government. His allegiance is to fellow Jews and Israel. Pure and simple.
Each time I see him I expect him to pull off his face and swallow rats whole... not unlike fellow Pali exterminator Krauthammer.
These two are scary.
Is Krauthammer the "after" picture of Kristol after the face has been pulled off?
I've never seen those two together.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
This from a very ignorant Reslug and really terrible actor.
I thought he was dead.....
Oh, sorry, just his career is dead.
Isn't Fred Thompson the guy who played Herman Munster on tv back in the '60's?
Come on Freddie, do what Monica Crowley said in her book SHUT UP AND SING OR ACT, whatever it is you do!!
I didn't listen to the video but I checked to see who was giving this loser jerkoff the platform to speak???
No surprises . .
I'm have a similar opinion on this as the one I expressed in Jason Sigger's post. Is America now alone in this fight? Is it true that "... it was lost as soon as Bush and Cheney decided to attack Iraq. Any chance to stabilize that region was lost immediately thereafter. The world had rallied around Afghanistan in such a way that that country could have been reconstructed and repaired by now."
International troops are still fighting and dying in Afghanistan. What does the United States have to do in order to secure future support or is leaving the only option?
Here is an updated Google map showing all troop levels currently in Afghanistan (US/International, with brief mission statements, and reported casualties. It will be interesting to see how these numbers change as the White House struggles with the future of the Afghanistan mission.
Click on link or paste into browser to view map. Click on the Google "link" button in the top right to share or embed:
http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&m...
It required . . . so very little basic competence for Afghanistan to have been done right.
We just needed basic competence - go in, finish the war right, take responsibility for creating a good government, startup a Marshall plan, build a country from the ground up as a rolemodel for the region.
Instead the plan was go in, twiddle our fingers, "Oh, shiny Object", Go into a completely different country opening up two fronts, ignore international law, destroy our reputation worldwide, torture innocents, generate recruits for the enemy, let Al-Qaeda and the Taliban Metastase, opening up three major and uncountable minor fronts, Ignore the responsibility for getting good government anywhere, prop up dictators claiming that progress . . .
I have no delusions that an empire is ever 'good' per se. But an empire can be *competent*. So much of this was so stubbornly incompetent in the face of all evidence to the contrary.
"We're going to run a war. We're going to transparently lie our way into it, take whatever competent advice we get, and *STUDIOUSLY* ignore it, pretend to the death that we said the exact truth the whole time even when confronted by taped evidence, and generally destroy the budget, the economy, and the military. And when we've spent seven years doing this, we'll blame our successor for 'losing the war'. Seriously - all our allies own the media, I think they'll let us get away with it. Sound like Fun?"
Actually the whole world knew that the Americans were going to lose in Afghanistan the moment they stepped foot into the country, Read your history books Freddie. But maybe the neocons already banked on it being endless, it's good for business. And these idiots thought that they would march on into Iran...boy, talk about delusions of grandeur. How come no one talks about the pipeline that they are trying to build through Afghanistan? Isn't that also in the PNAC document? How's that project going do you think?
I seem to remember a time not so long ago when it was tantamount to treason to suggest that we might not be winning a war.
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