Kansas doctor George Tiller killed today!
Wow, we know how much the extreme right hates this man and now Dr. Tiller has been killed:
WICHITA, Kansas - Media reports say that abortion provider Dr. George Tiller has been shot and killed at his Wichita church. Tiller has been among the few U.S. physicians performing late-term abortion. His clinic has repeatedly been the site of protests for about two decades. He was acquitted in March of misdemeanor charges stemming from procedures he performed, but moments after the verdict the state’s medical board announced it was investigating allegations against him that are nearly identical to those the jury had rejected.
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Tiller has been a favored target of anti-abortion protesters, and he testified that he and his family have suffered years of harassment and threats. His clinic was the site of the 1991 “Summer of Mercy” protests marked by mass demonstrations and arrests. His clinic was bombed in 1985, and an abortion opponent shot him in both arms in 1993.
There's not enough information in about this yet, but BillO. certainly has made him a huge target.
Wichita television station KAKE-TV reported that police were looking for a blue Ford Taurus with a K-State vanity plate, license number 225 BAB. Police described him as a white male in his 50s or 60s, 6 feet 1 inch tall, 220 pounds, wearing a white shirt and dark pants.
UPDATE: Scarce just posted about this on Video Cafe too.
Capping him at a church - classy...
What would jesus do?
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z286/James...
nice
Who Would Jesus Bust A Cap In?
me-oww!
It depends on whose Jesus we're talking about.
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Republican Jesus would likely voice his approval, but Biblical Jesus only snapped once...at the moneylenders. Not very effectively though, because here we are 2000 years later having issues with the moneylenders...
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
to remembering him snapping a couple of other times, once at a fig tree that wasn't bearing fruit. I believe he cursed the tree and caused it to die.
which side was it that was pushing to allow people to carry consealed weapons TO CHURCH?--Oh yeah, That one.
not to mention, righteous. I am sure Baby Jesus is proud of his murderous soldier. He must be in line for the 70 virgins thing...
me-oww!
"Xtian soldier," he wasn't exactly gunning for, but...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
since Obama took office. Maybe the Holder DOJ will begin investigating those "pro-life" kook organizations..
The media will label him as a loner. Hopefully, he will be apprehended (more likely he will take his own life...)
I think Holder should maybe start an investigation of all the right-wing hate radio hosts who did baiting shows on Tiller leading up to this.
Freedom of speech does not extend to a call to arms.
Which right wing radio host promotes this? Please name one.
bill o'really, probably more.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
He can't take his own life, killing is wrong.
This person kills someone for killing what he perceives as a "someone?" I guess it is all in the timing. And, according to Christian belief, until baptism, an unborn person is not innocent. They are guilty of original sin. Their souls are black. They cannot get into Heaven because of this. So the expression "the innocent life of the unborn" is total nonsense. But no one should be surprised that these so-called Christians twist everything to their advantage, regardless of the truth, or what they claim to be the truth.
Not true, but it does add a dramatic twist to the rhetoric.
I had a tumor removed a while back.
Do you mean to ell me I need to get it baptized!
Is there a special hell for tumors?
That was in response to my comment? Please explain.
Actually that was true. That's why so many churches baptize infants.
The Catholics started the concept of limbo, although I'm not sure it was ever official, because people were uncomfortable about the idea that babies were screaming in hell-fire because they were never baptised.
The Romanians had a class of vampire called the pricoloci that were so because they were unbaptized. Some Germans restores the Goddess Berchta, to essentially nursemaid the dead unbaptized children. A grim existence at best but not hellfire.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I meant that although that is/was a possible, even generally accepted, theory in some corners, it's hardly "Christian belief."
So you're now THE authority on "Christian belief?"
And you didn't say which part, that unbaptized infants go to hell or limbo?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
According to Dante, the "virtuous unbaptized" ended up in Limbo, and that included pagans and unbaptized babies. The Vatican does not officially condone the concept of Limbo. Though baptism serves multiple purposes in the Catholic church, one being to wash away original sin, you would be hard-pressed to find any current Catholic clergyman who says unbaptized babies go to hell.
That was the point I was trying to make. To say that the idea that "unbaptized babies are guilty of original sin, have black souls, and can never enter heaven" is a "Christian" belief therefore... is like saying the idea of "a woman's right to choose" is an "atheistic" belief therefore... I was challenging the broadly generalized premise and the conclusion which followed.
Quite the opposite. How is explaining that since not all Christians believe what was asserted then it cannot be called a general "Christian" belief that absolutely must hold if someone opposes abortion on Christian grounds somehow an attempt on my part to be THE authority???
By the way, the part that unbaptized infants are guilty of anything.
Could you at least use complete sentences? It is hard to discuss anything with you if you don't use them. I get, "Quite the opposite." Although I don't know what to apply it to, but what the hell are you trying to say otherwise? Break it down into shorter sentences with one thought in each. I'll send you a bill for the tutoring.
savannah43 claimed that "according to Christian belief, until baptism, an unborn person is not innocent. They are guilty of original sin. Their souls are black. They cannot get into Heaven because of this. So..."
I objected* to that broad generalization. The fact that some Christians may believe that, does not make it a "Christian belief."
* (Admittedly in a snarky way which challenged the idea that so-called Christians were the ones twisting things to score points.)
Then ysbaddaden correctly explained that some Christians DO, in fact, believe such a thing.
I then attempted to explain more clearly that I was challenging the generalization of "Christian belief." Some does not mean all, or even most.
ysbaddaden then accused me of claiming authority over Christian belief.
I then explained that I am the one who's trying to challenge someone else's attempt to express some general Christian doctrine.
I don't believe I have insulted anyone along the way.
Druid?
If it isn't Christian, then what is it? You don't think you get any credibility here just saying anything that suits you, do you? I never even mentioned "hell."
I never mentioned hell either. (Did I?)
I am waiting for you to tell me?
The part I believed to be untrue was the part I originally bolded:
1. I do not believe that even a majority of Christians agree with the premise that an unborn person is, or can be, anything but innocent.
2. I do not believe that even a majority of Christians agree with the premise that anyone, let alone an unborn person, is, or can be, guilty of the sins* of another.
* Original or otherwise
3. I do not believe that even a majority of Christians agree with the premise that an unborn person's soul is "black."
Therefore, it seems patently untrue that these ideas are broad "Christian beliefs" from which one can draw conclusions.
That's just my opinion, of course, but even if the entire syllogism above were undeniably true and valid, any conclusion drawn from it could only be about Christian belief, which is independent of what actually IS. That is, no one's beliefs can render the expression "the innocent life of the unborn" total nonsense. Either it is total nonsense or it isn't. Therefore, your conclusion simply does not follow, logically.
That said, I hold no claim to the truth. I was simply trying to correct what I saw as inaccurate representations of presumed beliefs of "others."
I have to say, until you challenged me to locate an actual flaw in your logic, I thought you were making a sarcastic if-then. You gave your opinion and I gave mine, and I thought it was just the normal give and take of casual conversation. I never thought of it as debate, and I apologize for my part in making this so adversarial.
According to the Wichita Eagle’s Stan Finger and Joe Rodriguez, in their article “Wichita abortion provider George Tiller shot to death at Wichita church:”
Two men attempted to apprehend the suspect, but he pointed a gun at them and threatened them before fleeing, Stolz said....
"Protesters blockaded Tiller's clinic during Operation Rescue's "Summer of Mercy" protests during the summer of 1991, and Tiller was shot by Rachelle Shannon at his clinic in 1993. Tiller was wounded in both arms, and Shannon remains in prison for the shooting…. The clinic was bombed in June 1986, and was severely vandalized earlier this month. According to the Associated Press, his lawyer said wires to security cameras and outdoor lights were cut and that the vandals also cut through the roof and plugged the buildings' downspouts. Rain poured through the roof and caused thousands of dollars of damage in the clinic. Tiller reportedly asked the FBI to investigate the incident…. No arrests were made in the 1986 bombing…. Sgt. Bart Brunscheen of the Wichita Police Department said earlier today that there has been no activity today at Tiller's clinic, although security crews were being brought in to make sure the building was secure. Officials also were going to check the clinic's security cameras to see if there was any activity over night….Tiller and his clinic have faced continuous threats and lawsuits. A Wichita jury ruled in March that he was not guilty on 19 criminal charges he faced for allegedly violating a state law requiring an independent second physician's concurring opinion before performing later term abortions. Immediately following the ruling in this criminal case, the Kansas State Board of Healing Arts made public a similar complaint against Tiller that was originally filed in December 2008...."
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/...
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/...
This a$$hole wanted to be caught. That isn't even trying to hide!
What a terrible thing. Not only for the doctor and his family, but for the women who may otherwise die as there will be even less doctors willing to risk doing this life saving procedure.
Of course. He will be a hero!!
This fucker killed that many people, and then drives away from the scene, on a major interstate, in a car with NO license plates at all.
IF that isn't someone begging to get caught, I don't know what is.
A group effort, possibly.
The police know he's white, 6'1", 220 lbs. The police know he was driving a blue Ford Taurus, and they even have the license plate number - a vanity plate.
Not to tell these Kansas cops something they shouldn't already know, but law enforcement has evolved to the point that we can actually check who owns that Taurus. We can also check if the owner, or spouse, is a white male about 6'1" and 220 lbs.
I know; it's "just a theory."
Corruption favors the wealthy.
There's no need to get everyone caught up in identifying someone to the media if they had nothing to do with it. The killer could have stolen the car or even borrowed it from someone who had no idea what he was doing.
And a slightly overweight, medium height, white guy is not a very specific characterization for Kansas.
the witnesses of the shooting just to confirm it's him. And from there, his photo and name will be released.
... per McClatchy.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
it could have been Rush. It probably was him in spirit.
Classy. Ever listen to Rush? Didn't think so.
Then why ask?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
No. Most people on this blog have jobs and better things to do than listen to right-wing hate radio.
only until my ears start bleeding.
And speaking of 'classy,' there is definitely nothing classier than an old gluttonous POS making fun of a guy with Parkinson's. Or a disabled kid asking for help with medical insurance. Or calling a very young WH occupant the WH dog. Twice. In one show, because he was so tickled with the hilarity of himself, a big guy, an adult, slamming a pubescent girl over her looks.
'Classy' is a draft dodger calling for war.
Hey, and long as we are on 'Classy' (your word), how 'classy' is it to drug yourself deaf? Or eat until you are twice the size of a normal human?
Yeah. You and Rush know ALL about 'Classy.'
You and your buddy Rush, stay classy
me-oww!
You also forgot his suggestion for a "Homeless Olympics". Nothing funnier than denigrating people who already have a horrible life...
There is such a
buffet(sorry, for some reason, great lashings of food come to mind when I think of Rush) I mean, panoply of 'Classy' when it comes to Rush, one is thoroughly spoiled for choice as I'm sure our new member and fake Dr knows. He's pissed off out here, leaving an embarrassment of riches behind...me-oww!
I get three reports per week day on what blather he spouts on each hour of his show. I have a question for you. If he thinks so highly of individuality, then why are his followers called dittoheads?
shoved into Gooper CongressWhore snouts with demands to disavow this?
Perhaps Obama will have to apologize to Gooper Christianists for abortion still being legal. Sad to say the Dim caving rate to rightist masterbaiting is rising steadily.
I'm horrified by this though not surprised . . . in CHURCH? I think from now on our side should call these shits what they are - terrorists. No apologies, nothing. After all they're eventually going to shoot at us.
is also the anniversary of domestic "pro-life" terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph's capture in 2003.
These guys seem to love "anniversaries".
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---Southwest Airlines
As I read about this, I thought about a local doctor, a gynecologist who performs abortions, who was shot by an anti-abortionist in 1994 and stabbed by another in 2000.
I Googled him and found a speech he recently gave, published in the National Post:
Why I am an Abortion Doctor
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/story.htm...
". . . After I graduated from University of British Columbia medical school in 1962, I went to Chicago, where I served my internship and Ob/Gyn residency at Cook County Hospital. At that time, Cook County had about 3,000 beds, and served a mainly indigent population. If you were really sick, or really poor, or both, Cook County was where you went.
The first month of my internship was spent on Ward 41, the septic obstetrics ward. Yes, it's hard to believe now, but in those days, they had one ward dedicated exclusively to septic complications of pregnancy.
About 90% of the patients were there with complications of septic abortion. The ward had about 40 beds, in addition to extra beds which lined the halls. Each day we admitted between 10-30 septic abortion patients. We had about one death a month, usually from septic shock associated with hemorrhage.
I will never forget the 17-year-old girl lying on a stretcher with 6 feet of small bowel protruding from her vagina. She survived.
I will never forget the jaundiced woman in liver and kidney failure, in septic shock, with very severe anemia, whose life we were unable to save."
... women don't get late-term abortions unless there is something horribly wrong with the fetus, such as it has only a minimal brain. It's too traumatic for the woman's body for it to ever be a casual decision. Yet the right-wing makes it seem as if these women are just acting on a whim or some selfish reason.
An ex-girlfriend of mine was a nurse in a neo-natal intensive care unit. She occasionally had to deal with anencephalic babies - born with severely malformed brains, some with no cortex, some without complete skulls. Many of these were aborted, most of the rest were stillborn. A few lived for a few hours or days. It was traumatic for the families.
Exactly. I hate people who try to make late term abortions sound like something people do when they just *forgot* to get one earlier in the pregnancy. Apparently there are only 2 or 3 places in the US that will even do a late term abortion, and in order to get one you must have a doc's opinion, plus a second opinion, that either your life is in danger or the baby's condition is not compatible with life. You also have to get a mental evaluation. These aren't perfectly healthy babies being murdered...it's more like humane euthanization, if you have to compare it to anything.
The right wing has blood on it's hands.
"Whats the matter with Kansas?"
These midwestern kook states (Nebraska and Oklahoma too), are every bit as dispicable as the ones in the deep South.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Constant weather reports about low-flying farm girls, their houses and dogs and Superboys.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
CNN is barely covering this story. I would not even know about this happening if it wasn't for the internet. I refuse to even look at FOX.
Republicans could care less about this. They will make up some b.s. excuse.
This doctor was taking care of women who had no other options, yet he was killed for being a doctor!
This makes no sense at all.
CNN has a story up on the web, and like many articles I have read today, they mention Operation Rescue, but I have to give CNN props for including the last paragraph which most others omit:
The anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, which has led numerous demonstrations at Tiller's clinic, condemned the shooting as a "cowardly act."
"Operation Rescue has worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see him brought to justice," the group said in a statement. It offered its prayers for Tiller's family, "that they will find comfort and healing that can only be found in Jesus Christ."
In March, Tiller was acquitted of 19 counts of performing procedures unlawfully at his clinic. In 2008, a probe initiated by abortion opponents who petitioned state authorities to convene a grand jury ended without charges.
On its Web site, Operation Rescue refers to Tiller as a "monster" who has "been able to get away with murder." And Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry, who is no longer affiliated with the group, called Tiller "a mass murderer."
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
obviously got a PR firm. Probably that sleazy NYC firm that covers the asses of all disgraced Wall Streeters and politicians. The name of the firm slips my mind at the moment.
Christian Newswire serves Jerry Falwell, Operation Rescue, Focus on the Family ... and the White House.
Adele M. Stan | May 22, 2007 | web only
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
Thats like the Klan starting a chapter in Harlem or South Central Los Angeles.
I realize he may be from the area and this is where he prefers to reside, and he obviously knew the risks. This was one brave man, to remain in the business of providing late term abortions in the spiritual heartland of the Christian Taliban.
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
Tiller was singled out because he was the only one practicing late-term abortions in Kansas. There are others in other states, but it was precisely because he was practicing in Jeebustan that he was killed. For example, there is one clinic that provides abortion services in Mississippi. One.
I can see it now. Rather than actually adress the fact that the right-wing has a segment within itself that actively practices terrorism, they'd rather this just turn into a pissing contest over late-term abortions. And the MSM will play right along, like the good little stooges they've always been.
Bank on it.
I'm guessing the gunman will kill himself and leave a note making him out to be some sort of martyr. This is so damned sad for the doctor's family. Being shot for your beliefs shouldn't happen, it just shouldn't.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Sometimes I think the only way to stop these hate inciting wingnuts - who really make up a small minority of our oeverall population, is through another civil war.
These fascists are every bit as nuts and dangerous as Bin Laden. Their religious brand of evil is so 13th century.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Just from the perspective of suicide being a sin to religious nutjobs.
That's not even getting into how he probably feels he was righteous in his action.
And not getting into the fact that he's a complete coward.
And he wouldn't get a chance to tell everyone how right he was for doing it.
He won't kill himself. He'll end up in a stand off with the police and make THEM kill him. Then the reich's propaganda mill can have a field day like they did when Koresh and his whackos in Waco wouldn't come out of their compound.
This is domestic terrorism. Are they going to send him to gitmo?
Are they going to torture him?
Will it be a military tribunal?
Now that the cowards are not in control it will be a law enforcement issue like 911 should have been.
republicanism is a mental illness!
He's a white christian male. He'll get off on an insanity plea. Now if he were black Muslim, it would be a different story.
s need to be protested. and if limabugh and hannity excuse this act in any way, their 100's of stations need to be protested.
Well I guess that report about the risk of lone right wing extremist terrorist events was spot on then.
He acted alone! A loner and a nutcase - when he wasn't busy being the really quiet polite neighbor next door.
Don't forget, Lee Harvey Oswald and Terry Nichols acted alone too! Same for that Lindy England and a few other rogue soldiers at Abu Ghraib.
They all acted alone.
Watching Fox, listening to wingnut radio, and GOP hate diatribes 24/7, had absolutely nothing to do with it. So quit attacking Billo you mean lefties.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Now that, I'll put actual money. If O'Reilly mentions this at all, he will certainly explain how he never intended anyone to take the "law" into their own hands.
I'll bet a dozen donuts that on his first mention of this he'll explain how entirely blameless he is for this.
O'Really and Limpballs will likely defend him as a martyr.
get yourself a gun and put it in your pocket, don't save it for a rainy day.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
I'm sure O'Reilly will get right on that report. He certainly will take back all those things about Napolitano. The only real question is whether Savage, Hannity, and Limbaugh will beat him to it.
He'll probably argue that everyone in church should be carrying a gun.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
little mention, but Slaggage will call for his martyrdom.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Yep.
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Let's just hope to hell he gets caught before he harms anyone else.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
F*&#! I hate these mofos. Life is so sacred they have to kill the living, who kill the unborn. I was at a pro-choice rally in my town just last week and I was saying to those there that pro-choice also includes pro-life. That's what these mofos don't seem to understand, pro-choice takes up both sides; but it is the women's choice. Of course that is really what is at the core the pukes who are
"pro-life" is that heaven forbid the woman should have a choice. They would love to return to the pregnant, bearfoot and in the kitchen time and are no better than the taliban and frankly should be treated as such.
I'm pretty sure that deep down, just about every rabid "pro-lifer" out there has had some painful, and thoroughly "unfair" (in their mind) treatment from a woman. I know that the two wacko pro-lifers in my family are also coincidentally the two males who have been divorced. There is a huge element of a sensed loss of power, and the desire to reassert that power through control. Poor, sick bastards, but you can't tell them that.
The two in your family were probably divorced because they were "wackos".
All the encouragement these people need is to be rabidly religious and pro-life. A combination that you almost always find together. I don't think it takes a woman's involvement to create that particular state of mind. For one -- they preach it from the fundy pulpits.
I'm not saying that those poor women who were married to them were at fault at all - well except for the initial poor judgment. I'm just saying that these people see themselves as victims of women's empowerment.
Delusional fucks, you know.
These freaks have been on a collective rampage recently..
Civil suits against the Becks and his disgusting ilk. The Southern Poverty Law Center snuffed the vestiges of the KKK that way, broke their sponsors. Crush the cheerleaders financially revoke tax exempt instantly for any hate speech from any pulpit, seize church property to compensate victims, and watch discourse get civil, quick.
This'll make a WHOLE lot of hate-spewing reich-wingers VERY happy. I can hear them now . . .
All except for Coultergist - she won't say the part about not approving of killing (bets, anyone?)
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Wish to send our sincere condolences to Mr. Tiller's family. As far as the religion aspect... the killer must have misinterpreted it's meaning as each one claims, theirs is the right one.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
BOR will spin this like a tornado. He has already ducked the Gen. David Petraeus comments. I say he needs to be FLOODED with emails about what I see as incentivising a murder. Yeah, I said it.
The Knoxville murderer who "wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book."
Christians commit the vast majority of violent crimes in EVERY area where they live in the United States and around the world. Almost all gun-related crimes in the U.S. is committed by Christians. If we can't lock these sick bastards up, can we at least prohibit the lunatics from owning any firearm?
This is about the stupidest thing you could say now. Giving the xtians a rallying point. You should make them live up to their own standards, to Alinsky-ize it. And ridicule them. But this kind of crap feeds into the xtian majority's sense of being under siege.
religion causes more harm than good...time to fucking stop being so polite over it...fuck it...religion kills
The victim was Christian and according to the Yahoo account had ten grandchildren.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The entire history of Christianity is stained with the blood of its tens of millions of victims. This hideous Middle Eastern cult promulgates, exacerbates and feeds on the insanity of its adherents, and it should have no place in the 21st century. Are you actually suggesting that Christians follow the example of the world's most famous Christian Adolf Hitler? That sick bastard and his Christian Nazis launched a war that killed 35 million people and murdered 6 million Jews. There is NOTHING good about Christians and Christianity and it is time people like you woke up and faced reality.
Christian standards: War. Murder. Rape. Pillage. Madness.
anything people think they get from religion can be gotten with out religion and with out all that baggage that comes with religion...like the hideous notions of vicarious redemption through blood sacrife...aka jesus
amen!
You could make the same erroneous claim about America, but in both cases those evident sins are the antithesis of our true standards.
Kathleen Sebelius will make a statement?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
if the state of Kansas doesn't stop this man, then anybody who prevents that from happening has blood on their hands as the governor does right now, Governor Sebelius.
Removed by author. :-/
Edited: Overlooked your heading... sorry
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Can't imagine Bill not being most pleased with himself that he may have played a part in ending the spree of a serial killer.
The hate-spewing reich is going to eat this up. They're celebrating right now.
For those paid by MSM to foment for and promulgate violence daily -- what happened today is more about legitimizing the killing of those they disagree with -- than it is about who died today and why.
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The Republicani and their followers are depraved. you could be right - they may secretly support this domestic terrorist. I doubt any of them will be stupid enough to admit it though...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
maybe now someone will really
put a thick brown paper bag over
billo's head permanently......
billo's hatred and hypocritical
bile over the airwaves must stop.
this death is on the head of billo.
how many more will there be?
They call themselves "pro-life," yet support the death penalty and wars, and probably support these new "shoot first and ask questions later" laws that are coming into effect in different states. And some think it's perfectly justified to murder a doctor who provided abortion services. On a Sunday. At church. How poetic.
The really sad thing is, the person who did this will become a folk hero to many on the right, the same people who will be completely blinded to their supreme hypocrisy. It sickens and repulses me.
of left and right contain far too many killers. Che'. Just sayin'. I am not a fan of shooting people, even for 'noble causes'.
Any legal types know if this could be prosecuted as a hate crime?
There are Republicani terrorists all around us. Republicani are extreme right wingers.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Now if the perpetrator had bad motives like race, sexual preference, or protesting for animal rights, we could really get him. Kansas has the death penalty; we could kill him twice!
Think of how superior we would feel.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
It could if a DA with some guts could be found to prosecute it. They would probably get shot, too. So much for abortion being legal. I guess that if you are a right-winger, you are not bound by the laws of this country. Just make your own. Is that the main difference between Republicans and Democrats? The former just do as they please, and the latter try to change things according to the law? The moral and ethical way?
Sometimes I think the only way to stop these hate inciting wingnuts - who really make up a small minority of our oeverall population, is through another civil war.
That makes as much sense as, um, shooting abortion providers. Don't morph into the enemy, despite your outrage.
are looking for a shooting war, IMO.
It crossed my mind that David Neiwert should have a slot on MSNBC. The reporting and analysis he does deserves a broader audience.
For Immediate Release
May 21, 2009
To increase public safety and aid law enforcement, Governor Mark Parkinson today signed the Omnibus Crime Bill.
“Safe communities are one of the reasons that businesses and families move to our state,” Parkinson said. “I appreciate the work the Legislature and the Attorney General did this session to keep Kansans safe and secure.”
[ http://www.governor.ks.gov/News/NewsRelease/2... ]
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Fucking religion!
is one that I'd like to be a member of! Seriously, this sort of extremism will be overcome, imho, by making good chrischun people repudiate it. Not by assaulting them, and making this sort of senseless violence into an atheist vs jesus thing.
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
- Steven Weinberg
Not exactly, but the point is well taken.
The time has come to acknowledge the truth: Religion--especially Christian religion--is organized insanity and nothing positive. It is harmful to society, it is dangerous and it must be ended.
The problem for many is that when they engage faith - they disengage their critical thinking apparatus.
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There is love and forgiveness if that's your cup of tea, and there is hated and violence if that's what turns you on.
Do I not hate those that hate you, O Lord?
And do I not loathe those who rise us against you?
I hate them with perfect hatred...
The righteous will rejoice when they see vengeance done;
they will bathe their feet in the blood of the wicket.
I didn't know cricket was a contact sport...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
That said to live your life in faith you must first close the eye of reason.
Reason is very lacking in the christian/republican version of religion.
republicanism is a mental illness!
Franklin was wrong on that count, but you're quite right.
This is a control issue. My way or I'll beat you into submission. Or kill you if the beatings don't work. I have worked with many battered men and women, and this is the constant routine. They all act the same way. Only the people involved are different.
Killing a child within the womb is the ultimate way to exert power and control over a human being so is shooting someone that you disagree with.
Do you think late term abortion is used for birth control?
They would not do a late term abortion with the only motive being birth control.
If you are like the vast majority of people you don't even no someone that has had an abortion.
If a featus has a malformed brain or has a hand growing inside it head should you give birth to it and let it suffer and die after it is born?
Would you not do as much for a human as you would for a dying animal?
Where is your compassion?
republicanism is a mental illness!
No article yet just a headline. At least this time we get tho hear it from the right wing cowards mouth of why..
is intended to be a factual statement
Several years ago when I was working the Registration Desk at a big trade show, my Gynecologist showed up and said, "Good morning, Centro" and you know, I was really surprised that he recognized me.
Maybe he looked under the desk first. Were you wearing underwear?
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
No, I didn't wear panties back then -- but I do now.
When the guy made the decision to kill -- he also made the decision to pay the consequences. I wonder why he bothered running? Usually they're proud of their dirty work.
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Good point. Maybe the domestic terrorist beleives he's assured a front row seat up in heaven now, for doing god's work.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
It always gets me when people say they are doing God's work or God needs you to send money. Assuming that God is almighty, why wouldn't he do his own work, and why ever would he need money ? Huh?
People do a lot of bad things in the name of both God and goodness when they are very misguided and destructive.
but only in an advisory capacity.
I don't mean to attack John Amato, but why use the word "killed"? Why not murdered or assassinated? When Matthew Shepard was murdered, many in the rightwing media used the words "killed" or "died" to minimize the actions of the perpetrators, to even insinuate that it was Shepard's own fault.
The motivations of Tiller's murderer were quite plain, and we should not use words that could be misused by others to reduce or even justify the murderer's actions. Even if the murderer were not involved in the anti-woman/anti-choice movement (e.g. he was killing for personal revenge) the police would still term it a murder.
The police would call it a homicide. The DA would decide if it was called murder yet. Don't you watch Law and Order?
Once again, the followers of the magical being have brought justice to the non-believers and those who would question the word of the almighty. It's long over due for the rest of the world to put it's foot down and treat religion for what it is, mental illness. They talk and pray to thin air, they kill, torture maim, rape, all in the name of a magical being that no one can see or hear. Worse, they claim to know the intentions and goals of this make believe creator. They have hindered education, womens rights, medical advancement, science. Why would any thinking human follow a group such as this. It's as simple as the people who follow, These people have nothing else, they are jerks,nurds,sexual perverts and the garbage of our world. Were it not for the "pass" given them due to "religion", they would all be put in prison or a mental hosptial. Their is a big fact that everyone seems to overlook(and forgive), religion and the sub-humans who follow it have KILLED more fucking people than smallpox.
Make me magical being for a day, hell one hour and the problem will be solved. In the name of daddy-o, Jr and spooky.CEO,citizens,eyes,open
People who follow my God also nurse men dying of AIDS in the streets of India for no money just because they love them
But do they take care of them because God told them to or because it's the right thing to do?
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