Karl Rove advocates breaking the law when it comes to the CIA and Congress
By John Amato Wednesday Jul 15, 2009 3:15pm
Why do the media fawn over the likes of Karl Rove? He's the heir to Lee Atwater, and his scumbag tactics are legendary.
Remember the Willie Horton ad?
Atwater's single most notorious bit of work came during the 1988 campaign, in the form of the Willie Horton ad used against Dukakis. The ad attacked a prison furlough program that Dukakis had supported while governor of Massachusetts. Horton, a convicted killer who is black, escaped while in the program and raped a woman. The ad said Dukakis was soft on crime, and made prominent use of Horton's glowering mug shot. Atwater said he was going to make Horton Dukakis's "running mate."
The ad pretty much became the touchstone for demonizing black men in political campaigning. In archival footage, we see Atwater denying that he or the Bush campaign had anything to do with the ad, insisting he'd never even seen it.
Then Forbes cuts to one of Atwater's friends describing how, before the ad was ever aired, Atwater called him into his office, showed him the ad, said he was going to set it up as the work of an independent committee (and thus, with no fingerprints) and asked what he thought. The friend says that he told Atwater it was appalling, racist and that it was going to "follow you to your grave."
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What is clear, from watching this talented man and his view of politics and America, is that his corrosive vision has seeped into the nation's political groundwater.
That's the man Rove learned from, and he is his prize pupil. With Rove's help, Atwater turned politics into a smear contest. Eventually, they all helped lead this country down the drain with their boy Bush.
Still, Karl Rove is treated with reverence, and it's sickening. On Bill O'Reilly's show earlier this week, he was saying that Cheney and the CIA should never inform Congress of what thy are doing because it won't remain a secret so, hey, screw them and the law.
Rove then appeared to make the argument that executive branch should not inform Congress of what it is doing:
ROVE: Look, it’s interesting. The CIA briefed Congress to this, I guess, in June. And the Congress immediately leaks it. That, itself is, a violation, I think, of several statutes and indicative of why it is so dangerous to give Congress information.
To clarify, Congress did not “leak” details of the secret program. The Wall Street Journal cited “former intelligence officials familiar with the matter” in its report. But Rove’s comment seems to confirm the Bush administration’s motives for routinely attempting to hide information from Congress.
Rove lies about what happened when the facts are clear as a bell. And he conveniently forgets that the Bush administration leaked the name of a CIA operative named Valerie Plame just to smear her husband Joe Wilson because he told the truth about their lies.
Here's a newsflash to this pompous ass: The CIA is required by law to inform Congress on what they are doing. Period. There are no exceptions.
Glenn Greenwald finds a typical MSM story regarding Dick Cheney's lawbreaking. Are any of you surprised?
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The CIA has been breaking the law for years.
Consider the Church Committee that led to FISA in 1979.
Bill Moyers: The Secret Government from 1987 here
Precious little has changed.
For people who are just catching up on the CIA's nefarious activities, this web site is great:
www.madcowprod.com
And remember: It's all in your name, people!
thanks.
Just because one advocates robbing banks, that doesn't make it legal to do so. It doesn't matter if is effective or not.
In sentencing, it does matter who is it effective for, the criminals involved, or the people.
Lying is the only way for republicans to operate and be successful toward their goals. They have nothing else.
and don't forget law breaking.
I kind of bundled the two. They fit together when it comes to Rove. Lies and law breaking are his MO
...and SOP, (both standard and standing).
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Q U E S T I O N:
It's wasn't a sentence commuted for having blocked an investigation of the Plame leak case stemming from the Office of the Vice President of the USA, was it? ... NO?
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I am pretty sure the KKKarl does not limit his law-breaking. ;o}
And he never has to pay a price for it, instead he gets hired by Fox news.
say that working at Fox is paying a price.
Why we give the likes of these two the time of day is beyond me.
I find it personally humiliating that the world might see these two as being in any way representative of the people of the USA.
introduced Rove to the rule of law, don't you think?!
Yes and Tom Delay too.
and eventually someone will believe it
except far left zealots who want a distraction from the bad economy.......were all looking for someone to blame. never mind if they did the crime or not, were the ones guilty for wanting justice served.
the idea is starting to take hold in this country that we need more than words as leadership to get things done. and in fact the ones that have nothing but words and theatrics are the ones that do the least.
i was in the (christian) mission thrift store this morning and the evangelical kept saying that how can you know that you have the light of god......and the answer was faith. dont ask any question......dont look for any answers.....simply have faith......if you have faith you can live your pleasant afterlife while your still here on earth.....never mind if everything is wrong when you die......its that "faith" and the idea of someone challenging that faith that will get that vote. not that theres anything wrong with jesus or religion, but those that give themselves to any "faith" so easy without asking why will always be lead......and theyll be led right into the ballot box.....and that number is somehat consistently around 26%..........religion is dangerous in politics.....how often in our lives when we have to make important decisions do we tell ourselves to not act on our emotions in our best interest......logic is the only way you can keep from shooting yourself literally in the foot......
"and the answer was faith. dont ask any question......dont look for any answers.....simply have faith"
Sounds like the Obama campaign and administration.
like you, sunshine. Those of us who can think in intelligent sentences understood the meaning of the comment.
Boy, that really hurts.
if there was a God and he bestowed the same sentence on Karl Rove that was bestowed on his mentor.
Such a shame it would be.
...you coulda stopped there......
And what is new about this? Why isn't this slimey sleaze bag in prison?
show to gurgle about world cup soccer, and Henry's responsible for a couple million deaths at least. Karl's a piker.
I keep waiting for a post about Maj. Cook, the birther who refuses to be deployed because he says President Obama isn't his commander in chief. Has there been one here and I missed it?
Lets get it straight , we are no longer living in a country which is run by a democrat or the people... We are in a industrial military complex which oversea our every action and controls what we hear , see , say or DO>>
We are no longer sure that our votes are counted or if the power to be will let us vote for any reason they wish to give. They talk about other countries voting fraud , but censor and turn their backs on any corruption pertaining to ours...
Why do democrats complain about the criminal crimes , lies , corruption and destruction of our laws and economy they do nothing to correct them or prosecute the criminals.. Just let a citizen rob a bank or break a law and their pictures will be posted all over the news media with rewards..
Like Bush's attorney general stated All crimes are not crimes to be prosecuted and by the way Obama , the CIA and Democrats are protecting them we know to what group that statement pertain to....
The democrats are supporting and protecting them while refusing to investigate and prosecute them for the worst crimes , corruption , torture , illegally invading anther country , illegal spying , destruction of our economy (which in return is the reason we no longer have manufacturing plants , jobs , infrastructure , democracy and economy.
The more I hear of Obama's discussions on protecting Bush's Criminal crimes , using his illegal spying network and advancing it to include the internet the more Obama and Emanuel's administration looks the same as the Bush/Cheney criminal administration except for the bones they try to throw our way.
The Global Empire is controlling this government's actions and policies and the military is also involved in fighting overseas for gain them control of our countries resources and for this Corporate Empire...
Interesting and neat little way to look at how the world works, but completely untrue. It's far more complicated dude.
reports that was a secret program to take out Al Qaeda leaders. Hmmm, who owns WSJ and also owns Fox? I would believe that the same owner would tell the same lies in both news outlets or they would seem like they were contradicting each other.
OT but this "ED" guy is great!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31929...
Never happen. Put money on it not happening. But if by some bizarre chance that it does. I'd pay money to see that.
And yet, the "patriotic, constitution-loving" conservatives have no comments on the outright trampling their boy Bush did to the constitution. Instead, they outright defend him at every turn, and now all they do is have end-of-days delusions about Obama and his "far-left liberal extremism" and how it's going to undo the fabric of the universe itself. Check out redstate at this very moment. They're literally screeching about the Sox jacket Obama had on over his bulletproof jacket... Apparently a President is not allowed to root for his hometown team now.
These cry babies really have nothing better to do but rewrite one another's ideological fair tales over and over again all f*cking day long. It would be sad if not so very funny in how obviously insane these diaper wearing douche bags really are.
Sorry, don't look where I'm clicking, this was meant for another post = Duh!!!
unrestricted and unregulated capitalism that's why the media fawns over him.
Ya, all that vested corruption built up over eight long years - what a waste. All those broken, crooked hearts...
Carl and Bill are buschCo cabal natzombies.
It's true. They will not be reasoned with.
So you've got this war on terror thing, the terrorists have already caused a lot of damage to your country, you've gone as far as sending soldiers into two foreign countries to try and stop them... but you supposedly don't try to go after the leaders directly?
If I was in congress , and discovered that you had a decent plan to stop AQ from further attacks, and DIDN'T carry it out (or want to try) , I'd kick your arse! That would be what I want to happen , thats what I would expect to happen, why wouldn't you try to take them out?
Its not the sort of thing that a CIA director would hurridly try to stop anyway. I don't believe it.
I think everyone has finally concluded that you're right, Al Qaeda is not it...
Remember, Al Qaeda is a name made up fairly recently, and is subject to refinement or obsolescence once a better picture of what happened develops.
US special ops teams off bin Laden at Tora Bora and gave the job of capturing or killing "America's Most Wanted(tm)" to some Afghani militiamen of very questionable loyalty. Hmm; why would Dick Cheney want Osama to get away?
secret deal?
teflon coated ratshot fragmentation rounds pretty much rule. the glaser is currently used by federal air marshals, the CIA, and the Capitol Hill Police.
do they sell them anywhere near the fox news studios?
I smell the terrible stench of Turd-blossom shitting in his panties again from fright.
Just a side note.
If I remember correctly, the furlough program was actually started by Dukakis's republican predecessor
amato, with all due respect, it's a little misleading of you to demonize lee atwater without mentioning he made peace with his maker before he left this world.
oh, and happy belated b-day, karl rove. december 25th, for those of you who don't know. this liberal didn't forget...
i just didn't remember until july 15th!
PBS had a compelling bio of Atwater showing how much he regretted his contribution to politics of personal destruction--do you think will we ever see a program showing Rove remorseful?
Why? is Rove still FREE and not in Leg Irones and a Orange Jump Suit?
Isn't it funny that you never see that fucker Rove on any of the more legitimate news networks? Afraid he won't get treated like a crystal feather supported by silk pillows. And I have to wonder...why do people like John Lennon and Gandhi get assasinated but the devil's little scum spawn crawl all over the landscape leaving their slimy slug trails behind them? Democrat pussies too scared of losing their power to do the right thing and investigate and prosecute Bush and company over a myriad of illegal activities. Remember when Clinton was witch hunted over a blowjob? Where was the criticisms of, "We shouldn't drag this country into legal procedings like this. We have to move forward not focus on the past. A waste of tax payer dollars." then? Starting an illegal war? Illegaly wire tapping the American public? Creating a shadow assasination squad out of the vice president's office? Outing a CIA operative? Nah, not important. Just make sure Bush never had sex with an intern. Probably could never get one anyway being a cheerleader at Yale and cowardly going MIA in the Air National Guard and never succeeding in any business venture he ever got involved in. If you had a silver spoon in your mouth when you took your first breath you can sure as hell be a fucktard and succeed in this country.
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(R)ove dabbles in much "projection"...
... I'd like to "projection" my vomit on (R)ove.
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When I hear this program described as "on again off again", it sounds like Bush speak for an assassination program "running 2001-2003 and running 2004-2007"?
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