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Backpacking thru Europe in 1990 I found myself camping at a Naturist Resort on the Yugoslavian Coast (now a part of Croatia) run by the Socialist government to earn hard currency.
There was a group of Dutch 20-somethings at the beach, one of whom was in the Dutch military, doing his compulsory Dutch military service.
I asked him how he liked being in the military. He said he really enjoyed it because he got to blow things up (for instance, illegal arms) and because he had been FORCED to take a vacation, and that's how he ended up on this Nude Beach.
Otherwise he'd still be living the stressed out life he'd been living before he entered the military.
Oh the horrors of socialism!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
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I like the part where she says happily, "I have cholera."
Funny video, Andy Cobb!
Good stuff. I recognize both of those people; I think I've seen them perform at IOWest in Hollywood.
was tried already during the Articles of Confederation and it failed miserably after 10 years.
Very funny! You do realize that libertarian philosophy has nothing to do with anarchy correct?
and "enhanced interrogation" has nothing to do with torture.
Libertarianism is simply Communism in reverse. Both offer fantasy blueprints for an ideal society. Both theories are products of the mind, nothing more.
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2005/mar/14/0...
"Like Marxism, libertarianism offers the fraudulent intellectual security of a complete a priori account of the political good without the effort of empirical investigation. Like Marxism, it aspires, overtly or covertly, to reduce social life to economics. And like Marxism, it has its historical myths and a genius for making its followers feel like an elect unbound by the moral rules of their society...."
Please show me a libertarian who believes in anarchy. Of course if you're just making up your own definitions (eg. making someone stay up for 20 hours = torture) then you'll be able to win any argument you wish *pfft*
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I have no dog in this fight.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
IS anarchy. Just like Communism is totalitarianism.
You can call it a rose, but it still smells like shit.
BTW: As far as torture goes, I was refering to techniques like waterboarding, not making someone "stay up late."
there is such a huge misrepresentation of libertarianism pumped on C&L that in itself is about as funny as that video. You will realize libertarianism is not anarchy in the 1st five minutes of part 1.
Milton Friedman on Libertarianism
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PaN9M4WwHw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDV0YII6lk
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhgy0ymD-NI
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64mr-cjxZfU
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
4 parts to basically defend the merits of a socioeconomic philosophy that boils down to "fuck you buddy, I got mine."
Because that is basically what every work by that asshole Friedman boiled down to.
takes all the risks and puts insane hours into their effort and succeeds then somehow is obligated to take care of those who we're content with a 9 to 5 effort? You have complete freedom to succeed and to fail.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Every Libertarian I've ever met is a trust fund baby that understands nothing of hard work and consistently denigrates the hard work of others.
Then they weren't true libertarians. Just because someone labels themselves as something doesn't mean it's true.
No, it's about liberty. You either believe in it or you don't. This is why liberalism is nothing more than an endless exercise in hypocrisy. You stand up for civil liberty but then sit down for economic liberty. Forced altruism is just as immoral as individual greed.
You're right, Libertarianism is more like Oligarchy than Anarchism. Anarchism is a collectivist ideology, Libertarianism is rule by a wealthy minority through the coercive force of property.
Libertarians believe in limited gov't not zero gov't, do I really need to hold your hand this much? These are widely used definitions by any historian or educated person.
more than us peaceniks misunderstanding of the concept of allnighter?
Looking at some of the responses I am reminded of one of the definitions I was once told regarding libertarians: a libertarian is a person whose main asset is being a selfish prick and who is desperately trying to capitalize on said asset.
In any case, for what it is worth... Libertarian meetups used to be a source of amusement the few I attended a few years back. I am glad to see the same loons are keeping the hope alive.
ROTFLMAO!
One happy government-free paradise indeed!
That was very cool.
Debating a libertarian is like talking to an adult who believes in Santa Claus. It doesn't matter how articulate he is, you can't beyond the principle.
For a while there, they were doing fine under self-government. Their standard of living was improving dramatically. Then guess what got involved? That's right, government. Namely the governments of the US and Ethiopia. Actually, there is a long history of government and corporate meddling into the affairs of Somalia. For example, Pappy Bush and his pals at Unocal were looking for ways to exploit Somalia and make it look legit. There is a long list of governments and corporations trying to rule and exploit Somalia. Anyway, I'm not going to go on about the recent history of the place, but their problems are NOT caused by freedom.
we should call NASA. As that seems to be quite a repeating occurrence with you, maybe you are the key to hypersonic travel after all...
Libertarian does not mean "no government." That's anarchy.
Libertarian means that the government is there to protect your rights. The law is "do as you will but do no harm" and no more and the government is there to enforce that law. The government is not there to do social engineering and to regulate people's lives or to protect them from themselves.
While you do get a lot of people who are anarcho-fill in the blank, or just plain anarchists calling themselves libertarian, they ain't.
"do as you will but do no harm", was Wiccan?
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
well, there are the thelemites, and followers of the great beast, aleister crowley, who was famous for saying "do what thou wilt"
"An thou hurt no one, do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Seldom is the entire statement quoted.
"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
...it's interpreted according to the ethics or lack of same of the manipulator of said slogan/tenet.
Sorta like what Bush, Cheney, et al did with the Constitution of the United States.
By that definition, we are all libertarians with different beliefs about what "rights" are. You can be a libertarian and advocate universal health care, as long as you believe that health care is a right. Yet another "libertarian" might believe that everyone has a right to have food to eat. So I guess the only problem with your definition is that it does not correspond with what most people mean when they use the word.
If we look at the conventional spectrum of "what services should government provide," or, if you prefer, "what rights do people have that government should protect", libertarianism is a notch to the left of anarchism. Instead of saying, "government should do nothing", you say "government should provide socialized defense and security service" or some such thing, and perhaps other services depending on what stripe of libertarian you are. The farther you go towards the "socialist" side, the more services people expect.
If you consider starving to death, no access to health care, homelessness and being arbitrarily fired from your job without recourse rights, then you are correct.
nothing like a good ole libertarian mockin'
any of the satire when it comes to their feeble ideology and the bitchfest that ensues.
Looking at some of the responses, it seems red herrings are distributed wholesale at libertarian meetups.
I took a course as an undergrad from Israel Kirzner, a leading Austrian economist who studied under Mises (as is arguably the world's leading authority on Mises). If memory serves, we spent a decent amount of time talking about anarchy vs. Libertarianism.
Basically, you start with anarchy and add a gov't that protects the borders, property rights, contracts, and little else and you have Libertarianism. Anarchy is really just the free-est of free markets.
And, internationally, the world IS anarchy. There is no world gov't. Just actors who make agreements, but who enforces them if they are broken? If a country violate the Geneva conventions, or the Kyoto Agreement, or invades another country, does a world gov't step in to enforce it? No.
Anarchy tends to be thought of by some as either complete disorder or a quasi-hippie collectivist utopia, but all it means is that there is not a government, and, on a world-wide scale, we see that it can work. Yeah, there are problems (wars being a big thing), but even things like OPEC. We might be able to prevent cartels and collusion on a state level, but we can't on a world level.
And yes, there are world organizations that try to provide some order (like the UN), but they are historically very recent and lack the coercive power to truly enforce any decent sized country to do anything. Yet, I'd argue that most Libertarians would be very opposed to the establishment of any further expanse of a "world government" type body which shows that their preferred vision is fairly close to the current anarchist state. Some libertarians may even argue that some world organizations already have too much power (despite not really having much power at all). Thus, the two systems must be fairly close to each other.
"And yes, there are world organizations that try to provide some order (like the UN), but they are historically very recent and lack the coercive power to truly enforce any decent sized country to do anything."
The Catholic Church is not that recent and had a fair amount of coercive power back in the day
Libertarian? Well, let's take a look at the Transitional Federal Charter of the Somali Republic from 2004 which is supposed to provide the basis for government in Somalia:
"Chapter 2... Defines Islam as the national religion and sharia as the basis of national legislation (Article 8)."
So let's see, sharia law is now libertarian. And Somalia enjoyed 15 years of a libertarian military junta advocating "scientific socialism" from 1965 to 1991.
Yeah, anyone can see, it's just bleeding obvious that the problems in Somalia stem from an excess of libertarian ideology. Riiiight... and were you aware that Ayn Rand was a closet muslima who had a love child by Che Guevara?
Somalian recent history will make the current people living there feel much much much better.
LOL.
My apologies! "History" is of course an example of nitpicking hegemonic discourse which impinges on the right of signifiers to float freely. "Culture" is a concept which offends the multicultural premise that "cultures" should not be differentiated (and subsequently--horrors!--preferred) on the basis of values. QED, libertarianism = sharia law.
OTOH, since nobody actually believes in multiculturalism--after all, your head would explode from the attempt to reconcile the contradictory beliefs--I am sure that realizing that libertarianism is to blame for all their problems will instill confidence in righteous Somalians as they stone the next rape victim in a public stadium.
People that are against anarchy know that psychopaths/sociopaths exist, therefore need to be governed/ruled. People that are in favor of anarchy know that psychopaths/sociopaths exist and don't want to be governed/rules by psychopaths.
A large percentage of our lives we live as anarchists which proves that anarchy works. If you think that you don't live a good portion of your life as an anarchist, then who decided what you ate today and the time and place that you decided to eat? Who decides your brand of toothpaste and when you're going to use it? I can go on but you get the picture.
No self-respecting Anarchist would ever associate themselves with Libertarianism. I leave you with a quote from the first person to ever proclaim themselves and Anarchist, the great Pierre-Joseph Proudhon:
"Property is theft."
Libertarianism is but the rankest of petite bourgeoisie authoritarianism.
How can a desire in maximizing individual liberty result in "bourgeoisie authoritarianism?" You really are clueless on this subject in the first degree.
"Individual liberty" as defined by Libertarians only extends to the supposed "rights" of property. Under Libertarianism, only those with property can be said to have rights.
I having studied small 'l' libertarian philosophies and their origins in depth, I understand that the Libertarians we know today, have nothing to do with those traditions. Rather, the Libertarian party and numerous corporate funded Libertarian think tanks are mere elitist astroturf institutions designed to promote the interests of a wealthy few over the rights of many.
Whups, first post not directed to correct reply...
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Good stuff. I recognize both of those people; I think I've seen them perform at IOWest in Hollywood.
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I like the part where she says happily, "I have cholera."
Funny video, Andy Cobb!
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