Live streaming of President Obama's health care speech: Open Thread
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Here's some transcripts:
Here are the details that every American needs to know about this plan: First, if you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. Let me repeat this: nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have. What this plan will do is to make the insurance you have work better for you. Under this plan, it will be against the law for insurance companies to deny you coverage because of a pre-existing condition. As soon as I sign this bill, it will be against the law for insurance companies to drop your coverage when you get sick or water it down when you need it most. They will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime.
We will place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they get sick. And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies – because there’s no reason we shouldn’t be catching diseases like breast cancer and colon cancer before they get worse. That makes sense, it saves money, and it saves lives. That’s what Americans who have health insurance can expect from this plan – more security and stability.
Now, if you’re one of the tens of millions of Americans who don’t currently have health insurance, the second part of this plan will finally offer you quality, affordable choices. If you lose your job or change your job, you will be able to get coverage. If you strike out on your own and start a small business, you will be able to get coverage. We will do this by creating a new insurance exchange – a marketplace where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices. Insurance companies will have an incentive to participate in this exchange because it lets them compete for millions of new customers. As one big group, these customers will have greater leverage to bargain with the insurance companies for better prices and quality coverage. This is how large companies and government employees get affordable insurance. It’s how everyone in this Congress gets affordable insurance. And it’s time to give every American the same opportunity that we’ve given ourselves.
And the feeling is reciprocated!
I had to open a second tab and watch it on C-SPAN. Just started. w00t
i think its possibly the CRTC that hates Canada!
really?!
Cue the Kabuki....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/
Study the symptoms not the virus...
http://apps.facebook.com/whitehouselive/
"We will do this by creating a new insurance exchange"
CRAP!
Cue the Kabuki....
That's cool, we're all watching fox news on C&L right now.
Groovy man.
via a different window...
Look at all the cocksucking Dems sitting on their hands.
Or are they bending in their seats, blowing their corporate sponsors?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
I was just thinkin bout Nancy...
"This is my serious face."
to applaud the old Dingle dude that has been fighting for real health care, but won't Stand-Up and fight w/him....BAAAAAAAAA!
Cue the Kabuki....
hemorrhoids.
Yes we can!
_ _ _ ! . . never mind.
Here it comes...we're getting greased up!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ugUGPDjx_k&fe...
"Fix what works"
NOTHING WORKS>
FUCK THIS. DONE. I"m shutting him off.
THIS COUNTRY SUCKS.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
That one hurt me too. Very bad remark by the president. Not very grass rootsy.
I still mistrust liberals. They are the first to run when push comes to shove. Progressives are closer to Chicanismo and vice-versa, than they realize.
just like the repugs.
http://www.opensecrets.org
Some stuff you can't make up!
Obama's trying to gold plate a dog turd. If Obama is talking HR 3200, we're screwed. There isn't a provision in that thing that looks after people's rights which isn't later rescinded with loop holes. It's a POS, and I'm not buying it.
He is so out of the running for 2012.
You didn't say the words I (a person who voted for you) wanted to hear...
I totally get that the writers of C&L watch Faux News to write articles about their slanted coverage, but is there a reason you have to constantly post clips from them? It's pretty silly, as it just lends their 'haterade' more perceived power and credence.
I will NO LONGER VOTE FOR ANY MAJOR PARTY.
EVER. NEVER EVER AGAIN.
BLOW ME!!!!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Now is the TIME yadda
Now is the time for all good politicians to come to the aid of thier corporate sponsors.
The last thing we need to hear about is more comprimise with the right!!!
Jesus...
I've never seen change without a fire
The government can suck my dick.
Doo dah..doo dah
Endless corporate cor-rup-tion
Doo daah...doo daahhh
Suck your dollars from your life
Doo daah doo dahh
Politicians sucking donors all night.
Doo daaah...doo daaah
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
All de doo dah day…
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Your racism astounds me. You can make your point without stooping to a stereotype, can't you?
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
he seems like a fucking minstrel to me to. fuck him and the clinton horse he rode in on.
Some stuff you can't make up!
using a stereotypical African American song in a derogatory song. Same thing calling him a "minstral" like a person in Al Jolson Blackface. And it is offensive no matter what side uses it. Right or Left.
Essentially you are calling him an "Uncle Tom" or a "House ******"
You can make your point without resorting to stereotypes. You can say he is selling out the progressives or whatever.
This type of discourse is not necessary and is counter-productive. It hardly encourages an honest discussion of the issues does it?
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
he's doing the goddamned soft-shoe without the hat and cane. He's a corporate minstrel. and if I remember my lyrics correctly, the original song is about the 'camptown races'. So who bet on the "bobtail nag"?
Some stuff you can't make up!
Perhaps I'm just of an older generation. And aren't you Canadian? I grew up in the south.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Stephen Foster's Camp Town Races some sort of race song? Just asking.
The song 'Camptown Races" is by Stephen Foster and that is the end of each verse.
Although what I was tagging is not the original lyric, but that is what it is from.
It is Americana and Stephen Foster is a major part.
I have absolutely no concern of anyone's 'race' and I object whenever anyone brings up Obama's heritage.
But I will complain about his politics day and night.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
But the implications are there.
Why else would Mel Brooks make fun of it in "Blazing Saddles"?
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
There is much about Americana that is subject to humor.
I didn't start it, all I did was put the end of the verse in.
Let me ask you this, what would you say to the assertion that the Corporations are operating under the cover of black, if you take the meaning.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
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Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
We have just had the greatest heist in the history of the world.
Between the Fed and Treasury there has been $12.8 trillion spent.
Obama received huge contributions from the Corporations.
He is their guy.
It is the same CIA, it is the same Military Industrial Complex, it is the same perpetual war, National Security State, it is the Medical Industrial Complex, the same Wall Street Mafia. There are no prosecutions or major investigations and the travesty of the last thirty years goes on.
He is cover, he is a fine speaker and he is extremely intelligent.
If he stood up with the full strength of conviction and said enough is enough, we are throwing the fat cat crooks in jail, they would oust him.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
about the corporate interests that run both sides of the aisle. Too bad more politicians couldn't be like LBJ... he used to say that if you couldn't take someone's money and still vote against them, then you weren't much of a politician.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
It's morning over here, and I'm this far down the comments now, and it seems Obama's speech DID NOT please judging by the comments so far, and that we are already talking about "Camptown Races" : god knows why. But hey, doo-dah doo-dah, all the doo-dah day. It's kinda fun.
Liberal AND Proud's initial post made me laugh: fun little song.
(Sometimes a comment is just a comment. Nothing DEEP or insulting is meant by it.)
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Also in "Blazing Saddles" he reversed the roles, if I recall correctly.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
black railroad workers sing the song...
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Exactly?
Look, I'm not here to lecture anyone. But I found both your comment and the one you were responding to offensive. Perhaps I'm too sensitive to institutional racism.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
I think the implications of the original post are pretty clear.
We have a government that is captured by the corporations.
Maybe you can help us put the lyric to a more PC tune
My contribution is that it is not just all night
It is all day AND all night.
do dah…
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Doesn't mean I have to like it. But one wonders if that particular song would have been chosen if GW Bush was still President. That is my point.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
I don't have any idea, Camptown Races would work fine for anyone that is in there. For me.
What is the tune that Bush used at the 'Journalist' dinner where he sang about Scotty Libby avoiding the prosecutor.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Haven't we? Another subject, another day. But you miss my point, I think. But my guess is, no, that would not have been a song that was chosen.
Nice polite chat. Don't always get that here.
Peace.
P.S. One additional point. I notice that "Liberal And Proud" who made the original comment never bothered to weigh in on the issue. Sad for that. Thanks for your input though.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Just to finish off…
Bush revised the "Green Green Grass of Home" to talk about Scooter Libby avoiding prosecution for the treachery of outing Valerie Plame. here
And yes, peace…
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
I'm Disappointed. :-)
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Sorry, but I am an old man that kinda almost remember the song.
Please remind an old man what is racist in the song.
Yes the poster may be a racist dummy, but, though I kinda get the gist of the post, I don't see the racism.
He or she might be married to a black, asian or hispanic & still be stupid enough to say gubament be bad. Tho of course the poster has no idea about the paradise of Somalia.
Old_Ed_inVN
Glad that the racist thing about the song has about died. Travellin about the world I see racism in every country I stumble into. Sorry America, we dint invent it, we jest dint grow out of it. So much for the shining lite on da hill that all should emulate. Yep, the world should copy our hate. Damn, seems that half of America wants an American Hitler.
Old_Ed_inVN
I agree, the racist thing si everywhere. I've seen it firsthand. In America, because you had slavery, it's still going to be a long time healing, (I think). People do not easily forget past injustices to the collective soul.
(The Koreans still rail at Japan for their 1492 invasion.)
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
What the heck do you call $1.4 MILLION A DAY in spending by Health Insurance Lobby Against Health Care Reform??
to say that.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Martinis for Congress-critter's lunches.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
"The best ideas of both parties"??????
Name one good Republican idea.
(Unfortunately, the Dems don't seem to have too many good ones THAT THEY CAN AGREE ON either.
I'm uncomfortable with the malpractice reform aspect, since that seems to undercut one's right to courts and justice. However, although malpractice payouts have been flat for fifteen years, it's my understanding that there's still a high cost involving malpractices cases that never go to court, and are somehow settled before then. Even if there's no hush-hush payout, the machinery is probably expensive.
And I would think one of the first malpractice concerns is looking for a way to lower malpractice insurance for doctors, and to remove the incompetent. Right now a doctor can lose his medical license in one state or region, and simply move to another state or region, take whatever licensing exams they require, and start all over again. There really is no tracking system.
And when Obama was talking about health care nightmare stories I would've wished he included Natalee Sarkisian, a 17 year old who died because her insurance provider Cigna called her liver transplant "experimental," and only after howls of protest from protesters changed their minds, but just two hours before she died. However, that's probably in the courts right now, and any comment from a sitting president would likely be considered tainting the case.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
malpractrice accounts for 1-2% of costs at the most. it's on the intertubes.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Barrack has always been able to state the problem. But, I'm already hearing some of the solution "slow the growth". Copying a system from a foreign country would reverse the growth.
"Nothing in the plan requires you to change." There may be things that prevent you from making changes.
Matt Taibbi has an interesting read here, if you haven't caught it already.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/29...
Well worth the read.
"Then again, some of the blame has to go to all of us. It's more than a little conspicuous that the same electorate that poured its heart out last year for the Hallmark-card story line of the Obama campaign has not been seen much in this health care debate. The handful of legislators — the Weiners, Kuciniches, Wydens and Sanderses — who are fighting for something real should be doing so with armies at their back. Instead, all the noise is being made on the other side. Not so stupid after all — they, at least, understand that politics is a fight that does not end with the wearing of a T-shirt in November."
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Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
but NOT TO CHARGE YOU MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE
Limit on out of pocket!
LOLOL.
Oh...take it right from your tax return.
BLOOOOOOOOW MEEEEEEEE!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Easy Payments and you don't even have to lift a finger!
1040Bend Over
Some stuff you can't make up!
I get it.
You can't be turned down for a PEC or dropped when you get sick, but they can still price it out of reach.
I said that 6 months ago, just as my Mom was battling Blue Cross/Blue Shield from a hospital bed.
NO more YEARS!
NO MORE YEARS!
NO MORE YEARS!!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
quit whining?
No
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
This is a mockery of government. At least they can put a cap on the applause.
It is a total slap in the face of democracy.
Just wait till the Supreme Court Ruling on Corporate Donations.
I've entitled it...Corporatism...The Final Fucking
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Or are you as bad as Republicans?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Wed, 09/09/2009 - 17:38 — curtilingus
This is a mockery of government. At least they can put a cap on the applause.
__________________________________________________________
Most of them are wearing toupees and girdles anyway.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
where he says "Oh, and by the way, none of this will begin for FIVE YEARS."
[Applause]
Update:
He just said the exchange will take place in FOUR years....
Medicare is a system that is already in place for those 65 and older.
All he'd have to do is extend Medicare to ALL AMERICANS.
Of course, he didn't say that, did he?
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Then he would have utter the words:
SINGLE PAYER…
His Corporate Masters sat him down and told him what is what…
with that.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
YAAAAY!
An exchange!!
And trade shares....and when it blows up...
We'll bail out the insurers...cause they're tooo big to fail!!!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Exchange, what happened to co-op?
Or is ex-change his new slogan?
you will choose the one you will be forced to pay.
I thought it went pretty well up until "a marketplace where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices", at which time I switched it off and tried (and failed) to punch a hole in the wall.
the same
Some stuff you can't make up!
Which is 99% of the Medical Industrial Complex?
like a co-op....w/ a new name "EXchange!"......exchange you can believe in!............YupUbetcha!
Cue the Kabuki....
Tax credits???? Leverage to bargain with the insurance companies? Borrowing McCain's idea??? What in blue bloody f**k?!?!?
I've never seen change without a fire
Will you get a check from the government like the earned income credit? What if you do, but it's not enough to pay for coverage?
the fines atart at $750/year.
Some stuff you can't make up!
that was a cap on the fines in one of the plethora of committee drafts.
Oh cool now we have McCain's health policy! Exactly what we elected him for.
Am I the only one or is this speech a laugh riot?
I'm laughing and at the same time holding my arm to prevent my clenched fist from exploding into the wall.
And I'm a lifelong Pacifist!
Planet Fantasy
EXchange you can believe in!
I call win for AngryGus
bumper stickers coming soon
EXchange Ucan believe in?
Cue the Kabuki....
would they ever boo bush no no they wouldn't
Its a win-win folks! Everyone's winning!
Nope, it is spelled whining
Old_Ed_inVN
You will need to purchase private health coverage, or be fined.
The hardship waiver is also from the MA health plan..people who earn less than $15,000 don't pay the fine..
F you Obama, you sold out to corperate interests
You will NOT get my vote if you run again in 2012
Hasn't mentioned public plan once.
Vote for Jeb Bush and Palin.
Obama will alienate nearlly all of his progressive supporters tonight....he won't stand a chance at reeelction in 2012...
... I think he is betting on the moderate conservative side of things to carry him over in 2012.
Alas, I can't wait to see the creative excuses the perennial supporters of Obama are going to come up with to justify this doozy of a "speech."
and don't forget the independents. Obama can lose the nomination, too.
Some stuff you can't make up!
... pretty fast.
Progressivism in this country is DEAD.
FUCK THIS. The public option...for those that don't have insurance.
Yeah...but you HAVE to buy from the insurance companies.
This is a TOTAL handjob. Ungreased.
FUCK THIS.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
If you can't get progressive ideas done now, then it'll never happen in our lifetime.
Any thoughts besides FUCK and BLOW?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
there are others?
No death panels.
Not even the THREAT of a public option.
Gosh...how many blowjobs did THAT cost?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
wowsers
Cue the Kabuki....
Had to listen to the radio version, since I was driving by then.
I am betting on DeMint. That guy is pure pandering poison.
This is CRAP.
And if Olberman doesn't call BULLSHIT on this...I'm done with him TOO.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
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"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Last time I checked abortions were legal..
I'm starting to think that our President and his advisors are delusional and do not understand that the Republicans want to OVERTHROW his Presidency.
Right now he should be imploring HIS DEMOCRATS to get their friggin' act together to FIGHT against the Republican insurgency!
fiasco, and he took the job knowing that.
blame, then begging to be slapped again.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Provide illegitimate coverage?????
Or legitimate coverage????
Ha!!!!!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
EAT ME!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Disagree all you want...
Fine. I strongly disagree with this complete and total surrender to the insurance lobby.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Obama's kicking ass while republicans are sitting on theirs in a bathroom stall wearing eye patch underwear spanking some lobbyists ass while taxpayers foot the bill.
while endorseing several GOP ideas that will harm all of us. NO you stop being a blind little fool
Obama..."Let's all play nice...and we can fuck the people quietly...and we'll all get paid and re-elected...so...everyone...shhhhhhhh."
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
!!!!!!!!
Some stuff you can't make up!
I'm shocked wow he said public option.....OK never mind He's throwing the public option under the bus.
... he was running over too many liberal causes and it was starting to jack the differential. It should be smooth sailing for now on.
that being charming and "teachy" is going to bring two sides together?
This really is disappointing.
Who the hell does he think he is kidding? He's endorceing quite a few harmful GOp Ideas that will incress cost and harm we the people even more. While at the same time throwing the public option under the bus.
WTF, this guy is a closeted Republican....
'Change we can believe in' my ass!
He's talking out of both sides of his mouth.....
Where is Howard Dean when you need him?
Both Obama and Hillary included Insurance companies in their health care "reform" from the start. The primaries were the time to be heard on this issue. If you want single payer health care you should have voted for the candidates that campaigned for that....Kucinich, Dodd or Edwards. But noooooooo............
that!!!
Some stuff you can't make up!
popping open the bubbly.
Yes...and pouring it on the bobbing heads of our representatives.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
How hard is it to immigrate the Netherlands where they know how to take care of their people?
Forget them, with Climate Change they'll be under a hundred feet of water.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Be underwater or have to suffer through this watered down version of healthcare? What's the difference?
Don't get sick!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
What happens when private insurers dump all their pre-existing condition customers to the "exchange"? It won't be self-sustaining when they get all the expensive customers and the private insurers get all the healthy customers.
This is not the idea of insurance. you don't divede risks unequally.
Exactly. The public option is a dumping ground for all the shit that insurance companies DON'T want.
You won't be cancelled...you'll be moved to the underfunded, bad coverage, public option.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
and sell them off to whatever corrupt crook wants to pay.
Obama wimps out on Single Payer or the Public Option....a watered down bill passes, but doesn't go into effect for four years...Republicans regain power in 2012 and rescind the Healthcare Reform Bill of 2009.
See how easy that was?
*
I've never seen change without a fire
You're so "in the know"
Get your ass on the line with Olberman and Maddow and tell them EXACTLY what is going on here.
Tell the Democrats...the progressives are DONE.
NO MORE MONEY.
They can go FUCK themselves.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Nice shot of Joe...
I say...PULL THE PLUG ON GRANDMA!!!!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Kill Grandma...
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