Michele Norris is in Bizarro-Land when she talks about Health Care
By John Amato Monday Jul 20, 2009 9:00am
Watching the talking heads on the Sunday shows can be infuriating most of the time and here's an example of what I mean. During the 2008 election, health care reform was a central issue that Americans were considering when they went to vote. It was a huge issue for the Democratic Party as all the candidates including the final three stumped for weeks on the principle of health care reform. But in the eyes of Michele Norris, that's not what happened at all and she's supposed to be the liberal on the panel I assume.
MS. NORRIS: But outside of the Beltway there's an interesting data point here that people involved in the process talk about, the fact that some 90 percent of the people who voted actually have health insurance and three-quarters of them are satisfied with what they got.
And there's different ways of looking at that. And one way to look at that is to say that perhaps there is not the public mandate for this that would dictate this sort of rush to legislation, and that's going to make it harder to make that point and sell that when they, when they...
My God, what is she talking about? There's a lot of things Villagers can say to torpedo health care reform, but this is just gibberish. America knows that our health care system is in shambles. Even John McCain campaigned on a crappy health care plan, only his idea wasn't reform at all, but how does this mean that President Obama doesn't have a mandate? Why is Congress consumed with this legislation then? It's because he has a mandate that he's doing it! That's a major reason why Obama won the election. And if we look at the 40 million or so who are uninsured, well that number is almost as big as the amount of votes John McCain tallied. And doesn't the President represent all of America?
I have pretty good health insurance that's very costly now and none of my doctors are accepting it anymore in California. How's that for health care? It's been the trend for a few years now in the sunshine state. I just had an MRI on my wrist to see if there's a ganglion cyst buried there. I had to pay over 50% of the cost and now the doctor wants to do surgery, but I have to pay at least half of that too. Guess what? I'm not going to have the surgery. Thanks a lot PPO. Oh, my health care is so wonderful that my wrist will remain in pain until..who knows...And I have a good health care plan which is better than most people have. Calling Michele Norris. Please wake up. It's the talking heads that are making Americans more worrisome about change. Anytime we make some sort of change in our own life it's pretty scary. The fear card is being played over and over again as negativity from the press pool is being trumped up too. Are they so alien to the rest of the country that they have to make a mockery of it?
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..why should Americans have health care if they can't enrich the lives of Corporate CEO's who could care less.
Until we get the ability to walk into a Doctor's office, any Dr's office and get treated, Congress ain't doing their job!
Vote the bums out!
but support for Obama's plan is cooling. Is it due to the cost estimates coming out or because of the constant catapulting of the repug talking points as seen on MTP and other librul media outlets?
..universal?
I think a lot of people are waiting to see how "all-inclusive" the plan will end up being. Wasn't that the change we all wanted? There are 40 million Americans without health care; its all of THEM many Progressive Americans and other like-minded individuals want to see have Health Insurance.
incomplete cost estimates are seized upon and amplified by the GOP. And it's going to get a lot worse once the insurance companies (who've been laying low) amp up their disinformation campaigns.
Which is why I predict at the end we'll get "minimal" changes - and no guarantees of any kind of cost
containment.
But this is America, where we become petrified with fear at the word "socialism", have a Republic whose
representatives have no backbone, and most of all very rarely taken any comprehensive long term approaches to problems.
We're the "kick the can down the road" culture....and you can blame about 60% of the population for it.
A good number of "independents" and the whole Republican party.
people like m norris, the entire gop and
the bluedog demcrats should all have their
govt paid health care taken away and then
they should be put in solitary confinement
for the duration of their f#cking nutty
lives. the fear and lies they spread
should be silenced. the truth is not
part of their morality, just the money
they get from the insurance industry and
the pharmaceutical coporations
Revisiting the last two times I went to the hospital...
1. Had insurance. Was in a car accident and had a concussion, plus needed five stitches in my head. The total bill was $2400. Insurance paid $600. It's not really insurance, it's a coupon. Fell behind on payments to the hospital (at $430/month, what they considered would be doable on my budget [?]), penalties brought the entire bill to $3100, of which I paid $2500, a full $100 more than the original cost of the bill.
2. No insurance. Heart palpitations and left arm pain, shortness of breath, thought I was having a heart attack. ER. Total bill $3800. Applied for charity, after 5 months of petitioning and paperwork, full bill paid by Sisters of Mercy. If that hadn't happened, who knows how much I'd be in debt now. (Also, during that visit they sent a psychiatrist to interview me for 5 minutes [which I did not need], he sent me a bill for $400 and then sent me to collections when I contested it. Ruined my credit rating and had to file for bankruptcy due to that among other financial shitstorms.)
Michelle Norris can blow it out of her ass.
And Goddamnit, John, stop watching those Sunday morning shows. The only ones who watch them anymore and give them credence are old farts and young Republicans. Your blood pressure will thank you for it.
is something people should note.
I had a jaw broken in a household accident. Wife drove me 1.5 hours and picked an ER over my objection because she thought the "public" one I preferred would be a zoo on Saturday night. After a wait of 1.5 hours more they pronounce my jaw broken and themselves absent an oral surgeon. They send me to the "public hospital" ER, which they also manage. They require me to travel the 2 miles in a private ambulance. I object but they refuse to release me from Hospital #1 or accept me at Hospital #2 without the ambulance. In the ambulance I got less attention from the one person driving than I would hve gotten from a cabby. Except his fare was $450. My insurance would not pay more than half. I refused the rest. The ambulance company is now damaging my credit.
On the plus side and I can buy all the guns I want.
There's a reason why NPR now stands for Nice Polite Republicans.
National Public Radio with National Public Health Care. Why do we need a non commercial radio platform when the commercial operators do so well? After all 90% of the voters in the last election listen to commercial radio, and 75% of them are satisfied with the programming (otherwise they would turn it off)
I'm really surprised John 'thought she was the Liberal', npr hasn't leaned to the left in over ten years. juan williams, mara liasson, and cokie roberts are all part of their punditry. Not a bleeding heart in the bunch. Their scandalous refusal to use the word 'torture', for torture. The whitewashing of gitmo....and on and on. The network she was speaking on is owned by GE. ABC is owned by disney, then faux. The exposure to information(news) is still filtered by republicans.
I had one a while ago. It just went away on its own, but maybe you should consider the old fashioned treatment. Ganglion cysts used to be called Bible cysts because one treatment was to hit the cyst with a large heavy book, the idea being you would burst the cyst. That treatment is not without its own risks obviously.
how that big insurance reseller AARP has been quiet all this time?
Haven't heard anything from the NCPSSM either on my end.
Or any news shows for that matter? It's not even bread and circuses. You need audiences for that, and they have not. The guests, the panels, the hosts...they're all just jerking themselves off on screen for paychecks, and hoping that perhaps some shut in will watch in anticipation of seeing someone orgasm.
Look at the big picture. The job is done. The government has been bankrupted. That was the goal all along. The New Deal is summarily undone because we ain't got the money. The elitists have siphoned off all the public monies in the biggest ponzi scheme in the history of mankind. The whores continue to get paid, the johns continue to pay them and Joe Sixpack goes to the polls in some misguided belief that he actually has a say in the system. When the system turns on him, he changes party, he gets a nice jerking off (with no orgasm of course) to lure him back to the polls...and the game rolls on.
going to wake up and realize that the public option will be a boost for the economy. The less people pay for health insurance and prescriptin drugs the more disposable income will go purchases that people may or not need. Insurance companies aren't just robbing the premium payers, they are robbing every other business that's trying to stay in business.
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Is the talking point du jour. In spite of 2008, repugs still haven't given up on the theory that if you say it long enough and hard enough it will come true.
Monday morning Michael Steele repeated this canard. We should start a pool as to where it pops up next.
Anyone want to bet it originated with some insurance company PR flack? And he pulled the numbers out of thin air.
I was astonished! All the news programs on Sunday are like this. None of the panelist state what is really going on with health care. None of them talk about Humana, BC/BS, Aetna, Cigna ripping off the American people! Below is a link to the Bill Moyers show talking to Wendell Potter (former Cigna bigwig)about how ins. com. rip us off.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/pr...
My husband had a routine hernia operation as an outpatient. It cost $8000! He did not even spend the night! Yes, I have insurance but I paid $1400 of that plus all kinds of test costs. Thank goodness were both employed at this time.
EARTH TO MICHELLE: AMERICANS NEED LOTS OF HELP WITH HEALTH CARE! GET OUT THERE AND EXPOSE THE REAL TRUTH!
"If they should die, let them die...so as to reduce the excess population"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkaxt9B4nrM
Bismarck passed national health insurance.
Teddy Roosevelt prosed national health insurance 1912.
England and Canada adopted national health insurance after WWII.
Harry Truman proposed national health insurance.
Clinton attempted to pass national health insurance 1993.
Obama indicated that he would attempt to pass national health insurance prior to his election.
Sen. Kennedy started meeting with interest groups and drafting legislation immediately after Obama's election.
Both the Senate and the House have been working on drafts of national healthcare legislation since the current Congress convened last year.
McConnell and the rest of the GOP leaders have clearly indicated that they oppose national healthcare insurance. They have made no concrete proposal setting forth their position.
Obama is rushing things. I don't think so. Delay -- that means wait until 2112 to do something about this problem.
Sen. Kennedy falling into ill health was the worse thing that could have happened.
Love him or hate him...he was the only man left in the Senate with the pedigree and spine to get healthcare done.
"the hell with you, I got mine."
Current polls show about 47% approval for Obama's health plan and 45% against.
However, the polls don't say why. There are those being hit by the multi-million dollar ad campaigns against it entirely, and there are those who don't want single option, they want single payer, making that segment of the poll seem more monolithic than it is.
How can we ever know if the data is true? We can't.
America's enemies. they are fighting so hard to derail healthcare reform, and any other legislation that benefits citizens rather than caving into corporate demands. They do this by misinforming, misrepresenting and discrediting truth and equality to the American people.
The tone and frequency of the attacks tell me that progress is at hand, albeit slow. We must keep the pressure applied to our congress people and not allow attacks to go unchalleged.
I swear I think that is the plan- just kill off part of the population that can't afford care.
I have not had insurance since the beg. of June. I could really use a visit to my chiro. since I have compressed discs. The chiro. really helps to relieve the pain. He is willing to charge me a greatly reduced rate. Unfortunately I am still unemployed and the money goes towards paying my really high NYC rent.
It is all about supporting the big businesses because THEY keep the economy going. After all millionaires can spend more and support lobbyists. I guess that is the reason.
I really don't watch the news anymore. There is nothing there for me to learn or get informed about. I hear the same lines on all stations. It is enough to make one sick isn't it? I choose to meditate and eat my veggies and take as much of my health into my own hands.
I wonder how long michelle norris could stand up against him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjz16xjeBAA&fe...
...is that Norris' health care is top-notch, without exceptions (so far as SHE knows), so she has nothing to worry about and thus couldn't give two shits about the reality the rest of us face.
I'll collect my winnings later.
Disappointing. Norris is often good, and should know better.
What she doing with hands
Describing how'd she like to grab Obama's ass?
So, 90% of those who voted have health insurance. Where did this statistic come from? Don't listen to these people.
I didn't see any box for "do you have health insurance?" on my ballot.
*john - voiceover*
I had quality health insurance with my provider that reimbursed me 1/2 of the cost of my MRI. They're so good to me, they will cover another 50% of the surgery that i need. It's just a shame that I can't afford the other 50% much less continue paying X amount a month just to keep my insurance. But it's much better than socialism right?"
*narrator*
Don't let government get in between doctors and patients. Let a wonderful profit driven insurance company do it instead!
John -voiceover
In 2013 I will finally get 75% of my wrist surgery paid for under Obamacare, but by then they will have landed in my front yard in their black helicopters and taken my guns away.
Voiceover - There are worse things than letting blood sucking insurance companies take your money then flip you off. Why do you think God gave you two wrists?
John you should maybe consult Mitch McConnell and ask him about the best health care in the world. Maybe you can run right down to the M.D.Anderson hospital where they have patients from 90 different countries so you know we have the best health care in the world. From what McConnell said you should be able to be fixed right up.
Of course if you were in Canada you could have your problem fixed with no hassle. It may take a couple weeks to get an appointment but that is probably about 2 months less than what it took to get your MRI.
Have I mentioned how much I hate these assholes?
Why can't any of these cocksuckers ever report on this from the 100,000 people's point of view who have no health care and want it or have health care but it is like John Amato's whose health insurance is so shitty (even though it is suppose to be good) that he can't get the treatment he needs. These shit heads always report from their point of view which is they have very good health insurance where all they have to do is make an appointment (their assistants probably make the appointment for them) with their doctor and go see the doctor (and for the fuckers with Cadillac care their doctor probably comes to them) and then go home or back to work and continue on with their lives. Everything is paid for from he ground up. They just do not put themselves in anybody else's shoes so they don't realize how bad it really is. They prove it all the time by the way they report it. They always come from the Republican point of view where we can't afford it instead of the point of view where we can't afford not to.
They just do not put themselves in anybody else's shoes so they don't realize how bad it really is.
In fact, actually they do. And their sell-outs are designed to prevent them from having to confront that reality ever again. Remember Upton Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to see that which his paycheck depends on his ignoring..."
But Mee-shill Norris is just obnoxious, always, and especially on tv.
I used to listen to NPR's Morning Edition or All Things Considered on my daily commute to & from work. I stopped listening to NPR news somewhere about the time of the Florida Recount or the Iraq War build up. At any rate, I just don't listen to their softball beltway conservatism.
Today, I listen to Thom Hartmann, Media Matters with Bob McChesney, Amy Goodman's Democracy Now, or Fresh Air with Terry Gross podcasts.
Podcasts killed the radio star.
whatsoever it looks like, gets to Obama's desk in september or october, "thePrez" is gonna be so desperate for a VICTORAY, on anything, he'll sign whatever appears, and the propaganda campaign that ensues will assure everyone that it's the best thing since edible undies.
I guarantee you that, whatsoever else it does, it will protect the profits and perquisites of the health Insurance Parasites, their satraps and sycophants.
And it will fuck the people...
bad feeling in the pit of my stomach too.
...just like most everybody at Nationalist Propaganda Radiation.
needs to spend a couple of years working on the line at a typical American factory. Then have a non-job related healthcare condition that her insurance drops her over. And then get laid off so the CEO can afford a hefty bonus to buy that yacht he's been looking at. And THEN tell us all about healthcare in America and who supports it and who doesn't.
yes they are. they are just the spokespersons for all of the elite who care not a wit for the rest of the country. all the various elegies to W. Cronkite clarified that point with his quotes about the modern press. we have passed thru the DOD scandal with the newscorps and daily are assaulted with the excrement that passes for news. they are paid shills (very well paid). look at the money paid for "position" on this legislation in the face of the truly obscene profits of the financial kings (whose minions fill every space in O's economic council)AND the states and everyone else going broke for lack of money. there is no lack. there is only the flow. the river has been diverted and it ain't coming our way anymore. it is flooding D.C. and associates. "we the people" happen to be the detritus cast aside that isn't part of the story. WTF just consider Katrina the run up for what's going on now. and we know how that turned out, eh?
yes they are. they are just the spokespersons for all of the elite who care not a wit for the rest of the country. all the various elegies to W. Cronkite clarified that point with his quotes about the modern press. we have passed thru the DOD scandal with the newscorps and daily are assaulted with the excrement that passes for news. they are paid shills (very well paid). look at the money paid for "position" on this legislation in the face of the truly obscene profits of the financial kings (whose minions fill every space in O's economic council)AND the states and everyone else going broke for lack of money. there is no lack. there is only the flow. the river has been diverted and it ain't coming our way anymore. it is flooding D.C. and associates. "we the people" happen to be the detritus cast aside that isn't part of the story. WTF just consider Katrina the run up for what's going on now. and we know how that turned out, eh?
I would have to agree with Ms. Norris, I don't believe there is a mandate for Obama's half-assed public option.
Who are these people, and why are they on my TV?
That turns these people into lying ignorant sacks of shit?
republicanism is a mental illness!
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