There's a new NY Times/CBS poll on the teabaggers, and guess what? It only confirms what we've been saying all along. They are mostly white male conservative sore losers who hate the poor and hate President Obama. Which means of course that they dislike black people, and are staunch Birthers and climate-change deniers. And they fall in line with the GOP because they do not want a third party.
The NY Times gave 17 Tea Party people 34 minutes of free ad time by posting videos of each one of their complaints. Did the Times do that for the blogosphere when we first started to rise? Did they do it when there were major Iraq war and immigration reform protests? Nope.
Anyway, Digby has a full rundown on the poll, so read the whole post because it's awesome. I'll only quote her wrapup.
They say the don't like the GOP 54% to 43%. But 92% of them despise the Democrats.
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There's nothing particularly surprising about the rest of them either. These people are nothing new. They have different iterations, but when you get right down to it they are, quite simply, the far right. They hate poor people (especially blacks) and they hate government that helps poor people (especially blacks.) They are deluded about taxes and spending and are paranoid about the government being infiltrated by "the other." They believe they are the only "true" Americans and alternate between insisting that their "traditional values" are best represented by the Bible or the Constitution, both of which they believe they are ordained by God to properly interpret. And they do not really believe in democracy which is really why they hate the government.
When they lose they stage a national hissy fit of epic proportions and persuade the Village (where they are perceived as the personification of the heartland of America) that they are something very important. Now that they have their very own TV and radio networks featuring crazed right wing demagogues 24/7, they are more successful on those terms than ever. But they are nothing new, nothing new at all. They are mostly a bunch of cranky, white men with money who are trying desperately to hang on to their privileges. Same as it ever was.
They are what we have called "Republicans" for at least the last 30 years.
Most of them get their information from FOX News because they don't read websites and only 6% believe George Bush had anything to do with the deficit. Oh, and only 20% of them have heard of Ron Paul and they just love Glenn Beck. Why the media is spending so much time trying to figure these people out is a mystery to me now. They are arch-conservative racist wingnuts who hate the government, but still want their Social Security and Medicare.
Poll after poll will say the same thing. When they lose they get angry. When they get angry they make f*&ked up signs and scream in town hall meetings about the Constitution.
UPDATE: Rick Perlstein writes an incredible historical comparison in the NY Times about the teabaggers of today and yesteryear.
Watching the rise of the Tea Party movement has been a frustration to me, and not just because it is ugly and seeks to traduce so many of the values I hold dear.
“I just don’t have time for anything,” a housewife told a news magazine in 1961. “I’m fighting Communism three nights a week.”
Even worse has been the overwhelming historical myopia. As the Times’s new poll numbers amply confirm — especially the ones establishing that the Tea Partiers are overwhelming Republican or right-of-Republican — they are the same angry, ill-informed, overwhelmingly white, crypto-corporate paranoiacs that accompany every ascendancy of liberalism within U.S. government.
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The same establishment conservative opportunists taking advantage, setting up front groups (it’s one of the reasons so many people in such movements report they’re in politics for the first time; they soon find themselves so ill-used that they never get involved in politics again). The same lunatic persecution fantasies. (In Robert Welch’s 1961 it was probable internment camps for conservatives. In Glenn Beck’s 2009 it was … probable internment camps for conservatives.)
The only thing that changes is the name of the enemy within. And sometimes not even that: “They’re not 90 miles away. They’re already here,” was a slogan in 1961, referring to the twin socialists Fidel Castro and John F. Kennedy; only now the socialist is also a Muslim...read on
Hey, remember back in late 2002 and early 2003, when tens of thousands of people showed up for several rallies to protest the looming war in Iraq -- suggesting that maybe a pre-emptive war under false pretenses wasn't the best use of American dollars and lives -- and when the American news media was falling all over itself to get the Iraq war protesters to tell their stories, and what their movement in opposition to the president of the United States was all about?
Yeah...me neither...read on
Big Surprise that bedwetting Reslugs are just sore losers and big pussies.
the tea party is, obviously, a lot more complex than the msm generally reports. sure, we hear from time to time about dick armey, or other money men/corporate interests, behind the fauxment, but, generally speaking, the tea parties are framed as an anti-tax, anti-govt populist movement. which is very misleading. they are not anti-govt. they are anti-govt-they-don't-like. and they aren't anti-tax either. consider their issues with the poor not having to pay income tax.
there is an important distinction that needs to be made btwn those that are used (the tea baggers) on behalf of the hidden interests of a much more powerful group of people (the sippers).
an example:
GOP political consultant Joe Wierzbicki floated the proposal a year ago today to create the Tea Party Express, a nationwide bus tour to "give a boost to our PAC and position us as a growing force/leading force as the 2010 elections come into focus." His idea eventually became one of the best known brands in the Tea Party movement.
The document cautioned planners to be careful when discussing the ruse to use Tea Parties for political gain. "We have to be very, very careful about discussing amongst ourselves anyone we include 'outside of the family' because quite frankly, we are not only not part of the political establishment or conservative establishment, but we are also sadly not currently a part of the 'tea party' establishment," Wierzbicki wrote.
Wierzbicki, who works for the Sacramento firm Russo Marsh + Rogers, went on to outline how conservative media including Fox News could be leveraged to hype the Tea Party Express. He recommended using "mentions and possibly even promotion from conservative/pro-tea party bloggers, talk radio hosts, Fox News commentators, etc..
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0415/report-tea-p...
"the tea parties are framed as an anti-tax, anti-govt populist movement. which is very misleading. they are not anti-govt. they are anti-govt-they-don't-like."
well said, if they were really anti-gov and anti-tax, then why didn't they get together when Bush started his massive spending?
Because they were the one's that were calling americans unamerican for not blindly supporting George Bush. These are the worst people, they call themselves Christians when they hate the poor and the weak. They say they're true Americans but they dont even know what America is. These are the people that would have supported Hitler in Germany.
Americans, and these people should stop calling themselves that. They are thieves and genocidal perpetrators of butchery. Fore runners of the Nazi's. They could at least own the truth. What am I saying. Like that would happen.
Just wait until the Faux News poll comes out next week and says just the opposite.
... are all talking about government spending, how horrible education is, crime rates, etc.
But you get loud and clear that history began on January 21, 2009.
Eight years of ignorance, spiraling deficits, slacking off on regulation, and pumping billions of dollars into two wars never happened.
we are FUBAR!
Cue the Kabuki....
Oh happy day. Decent people, and most Americans are decent people, associate the tea baggers with the right. The elect me at any cost repubs are starting to distance themselves from these fools. Lets hope it too late to make a difference in November.
17 people? Just 17? That's hardly a poll. Come on.
17 people refers to the people allowed to make videos for NYT, not the amount of people polled.
They are ads placed basically for the teabagger movement.
That's what I get for reading too fast!
This what I got out of the few vids I could stomach watching.
Fear - Fox news/GOP induced most likely (CNN wants in too though).
Arrogance - discredited Ayn Rand rugged individualism (I got mine).
Antiquated ideology - cold war era thinking (psst..it's over).
Ignorance - Willful and otherwise (pathetic and depressing).
that they break out the data for the TP sample from the whole poll as a basis of comparison. This shows how out of whack they are from the mainstream on many issues.
However, what would really give you an idea of what a whackaloon bunch this is would be to compare the TP sample to the rest of the poll with the views of the TP respondents subtracted from the overall results.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Let's not forget the most important difference between 1961's panic and 2010's panic - our means of communication outstrip 1961 a millionfold. Crazy begets crazier and it goes exponential like wildfire until someone gets shot on a grassy knoll.
In 1961 liberal wasn't a bad word. '61s ni**er is todays liberal, maybe even worse.
... that I'm a liberal.
Next?
BID
Right. Obviously these people are strongly prejudiced and poorly informed. Many of them had never been in a "movement" before which is a reflection of their lack of curiosity about how things work. Obviously they are manipulated. The difference from 1961 is we have cable news networks that target these people. What networks like Fox News are saying is "We know you are ignorant dumbasses, we're providing you with our version of reality, go forth, this is your day in the sun." And they go forth and show the world what ignorant dumbasses they truly are. But then we had 8 years of an ignorant dumbass as president so it looks like it is power to the dumbasses.
give old white guys a bad name...not that they need any help.
I say let 'em spew.
Sooner or later, vitriol is like swallowing Drano.
Burns like Hell and it's nobody's fault but your own.
..I'll say it again: We ignore these people at our peril. The more we know about them, the better to..wage "intelligence, reason and common sense" against them. "Know your enemy!" - Sun-tsu
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Dealing with bullies...
MSM - do not let them stare you down, do not let them on teevee on their own terms, do not legitimize them.
Protect the freedom of the press!
Wikipedia from freedom of press article:
Hear that? - truth not false equivalency - interestingly, a lie yelled out by a teabagger is still a lie. The real story is about bullies and their distorted vision of reality.
Freedom of the press is not the problem.
Complicit corporate-driven press is the problem.
We have no large-scale alternatives. Huffington isn't progressive, and she isn't interested in truth (or paying her employees, but that's another problem.)
You may not like the light Huffington casts on an issue, or their interpretation of an issue, but where do you get off saying that she has no interest in the truth? Sounds like an unsubstantiated smear to me.
deserving of our disdain
they're fucking morons.
at least we have a little more clarification.
..say!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
is being said and believed amongst these extremists.
I hope that the f.b.i. is keeping a close, close watch on them.
With the fuel that palin, bachmann, beck & hannity keeps throwing on that angry mob, it's only a matter of time before something big and bad happens.
I hate even writing this or thinking it. But they are crazy scary.
..on April 19th isn't scary enough? The "Bring your guns almost all the way to DC" rally?
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
these "hate the black man in the White House" groups together.
I don't care what excuse they use - they're hopped up on hate of the prez and those of us who put him in office and are just pushing for an excuse to pop off. (I think alot of them are just big windbags full of hot air, but all it takes are the extremists itching to start something to start something.)
Yeah, the gun guys who will be swaggering into d.c. are looking for trouble. Kind of "this town isn't big enough for the two of us" mentality.
They are carried on cable TV 24/7 on all channels. MSNBC has had them on constantly all day long. I finally had to turn off the television. During the Bush years anyone speaking out against the government could not even get mentioned. Something is terribly wrong with this picture.
Q - Why did the president seal his birth certificate? I heard he spent millions of dollars of legal fees keeping it from the public?
A - You heard wrong. A birth certificate is not a public document. Every state has a uniform set of laws barring anybody and everybody from ordering one, unless they are the name on record or an immediate family member. "immediate family member" means mother, father, sister, brother, maternal/paternal grandparent, son, daughter. grandchildren do not have authority to order one. step parents do not not have authority to order one. uncles/aunts/cousins do not have authority to order one. foster parents and adoptive parents can only order one when accompanied by a court order. courts and attorneys are not typically provided one when they request it unless they demonstrate a need for one on behalf of the name on record. employers do not have authority to order one, including the military.
Q - But I'm not saying I want to order one, just look at it.
A - A birth certificate is not something you can query. They are not free. You do not pay for the document - you pay for the search. You submit your request, along with a $15-30 fee (depending on the state) and we search for the record. If we find it, and you are qualified to own the record, then you are provided the record. If we do not find it, we keep the search fee. If we find it, but we find that you are not qualified to own the record, then we keep the fee. We say to you, "I'm sorry, you are not qualified to own this document" but we do not explain why.
Q - Wait .. are you saying that a person's identity is confidential?
A - Thats exactly what I'm saying. If you walk up and stick out your hand and introduce yourself, the polite thing is for me to shake your hand and introduce myself. However. It is my legal right to say to you, "Get bent, I'm not giving you my name." - should I choose to do this then you have no *governmental* agency which you can turn to, to find out my name. The Vital Statistics Division (aka the "birth certificate office") can not tell you who I am. Nor can the Census bureau. Nor can the Social Security office. It is my privelige and my prerogrative as a citizen to decide who I share my identity with. The same is true for you.
Q - Seriously? Birth certificates are that secure?
A - Yes. A birth certificate is the foundation of one's identity. Once you obtain a birth certificate, you can obtain a drivers license, which enables you to obtain a credit card, checking account, car, job, etc. These documents are highly confidential and private documents of one's self identity.
Q - Ok, fair enough. But so President Obama can order one for himself, right?
A - Yes he can. He can contact the Hawaiian Vital Statistics Division and request a birth certificate. For a $20 fee (give or take a few bucks) he will pay for the search. If a record is found, and he is qualified to own the document, he is provided with a copy.
Q - OK! well so there you go .. why doesn't he just order one then and show it to the public and then they'll stop asking these pesky questions??
A - He has. Please see this URL:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_...
Q - no no no no no, what I mean is .. the hospital record, with his foot prints on it.
A - That is not a legal document. It is a memento. It is a nice parchment that the hospital sends home with your parents so they can hang it on the wall to commemorate the day you blessed their lives. It is also easily forgeable and is not an acceptable document for obtaining a job, a drivers license or a passport.
Q - are you sure about that??
A - Yes I'm very sure about that. You can try and test it if you want but you'll walk away frustrated after standing in line for a long time at the passport office. Only the Vital Statistics Division, with a raised state seal, certificate ID number, and State Registrar's signature is a legal document proving one's birth.
Q - Well but .. its just a printout!
A - That's right. When you are born, the doctor (or more likely, his nursing staff) fills out a long form record of your birth. They immediately send it to the County Registrar, who validates the information. It is then sent to the State Registrar. The information is then entered into a secured and non-internet-connected computer. Some states may also make a scan of it, though not all do. The original record is then sealed into a vault. Your parents never have the original record. This ensures that, should the original record get lost or destroyed, your proof of identity remains intact.
Q - but burnt .. its not a birth certificate, it just says that its a "certificate of live birth" so why doesn't President Obama show his birth certificate??
A - **sigh** .. there is not difference between a "birth certificate" and a "certificate of live birth". The two terms are interchangeable. Not unlike the phrases "drivers license" and "license to drive". One is the slang, the other is the verbose/official verbiage printed on the document.
Q - wow really? huh. well, ok .. but .. I mean, its just a printout! Can't it be forged?
A - Yes .. but its very difficult. There are very few vendors in the world who manufacture the paper that birth certificates are printed on. The stock is made from a specific and unique weight, contains a watermark throughout, is a unique color, and has a "raised seal" of the state. It also has a copy of the State Registrar's signature. Forging these is even more complicated than forging money.
Q - ok well .. so .. there you go! people still forge money! so .. couldn't the picture on factcheck be a forgery then?
A - No. Because the Hawaiian State Registrar confirmed the legitimacy of the record.
Q - what does that mean?
A - The Hawaiian State Registrar is the bureaucrat responsible for maintaining all birth, death, marriage and divorce certificates in every state. He confirmed the legitimacy of the record.
Q - how? whats so special about him?
A - Well, one possibility is that he opened the vault and looked at the original long form record. More likely, he looked at the birth certificate ID number (which is 1961-010641), compared it to the computer lookup, and said "good enough for me".
Q - how can he look at the number and know its good enough??
A - Ok here's how it works. Here's how the ID number works. The "1961" means the year that the record ID number was assigned, was 1961. The "010641" means that it was the 10,641st birth certificate which was entered into the computer system that year, way back on or around August 4, 1961 (when President Obama was born). There was another baby born on or about August 4, 1961 - which was submitted into the computer system about 5 minutes before President Obama's birth certificate was entered. This person was assigned record ID number 1961-010640. Five minutes later, another record was entered for another person, and was assigned 1961-010642.
Q - so ... what are you saying here .. ?
A - What I'm saying is that Barack Hussein Obama has had this Hawaiian Birth Certificate ID Number of 1961-010641 ever since a few days after he was born. The *ONLY* way that President Obama could have successfully forged the birth certificate he presented on factcheck.org *AND* fooled the State Registrar .. would have been to randomly select a record ID number from a few days after he was born, hack into the non-internet-connected state computer system containing these records, overwrite the name on file with his name, hunt the original person down, kill them (and their family and friends and friends' friends), then successfully forge a short form birth certificate which was created sometime in 2007.
Q - well .. but .. so .. ok .. well why don't they just show us the long form copy?
A - This prompts a question back to you. Why doesn't *WHO* show you a long form copy?
Q - I mean .. the Hawaii government?
A - Because ... since you are not an immediate family member, you are not entitled to see this highly confidential document of identification.
Q - ok smartass, so why doesn't the Obama campaign demand the long form copy, and clear all this up?
A - Because - Hawaii is one of about 15-20 states which has passed a law sealing *ALL* long form copies. Some states (such as California) issue long form copies by default. (although, technically, these are copies of copies). Some states (such as Oregon) will submit long form copies but only if you ask for them and only if the long form comes out looking legible (the mimeograph copy doesn't print out very well). Some states (such as Hawaii) have given up altogether on dealing with sloppy penmanship and crappy mimeograph copies and have just decided "screw it, everybody gets the short form and the long form stays sealed in a vault."
Q - So Barack Obama's original long form official hospital record of his birth, with the doctor's signature is sealed in a vault?
A - That's right. A vault maintained by the State Registrar for the State of Hawaii's Division of Vital Statistics.
Q - so ok, there you go! why doesn't the Obama campaign just demand that he release it?
A - Because neither the Obama campaign, nor the Obama adminstration (white house) has jurisdiction over this. In fact, not even the Governor of Hawaii has jurisdiction over this document. Only the State Registrar has the privilege of viewing the original record that sits sealed in a vault. And by Hawaiian law, he cannot share this with anybody. He cannot share President Obama's original long form birth certificate, just like he cannot share ANY person's original long form birth certificate.
Q - well .. so .. um .. ok .. but, I heard you can also get birth certificates made for you in Hawaii even if you weren't born in Hawaii. like, Obama's sister got one of them.
A - Yes, thats correct. This law was passed in 1982 though, not 1961. And the documents created must articulate that the person was not born in Hawaii. - http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs200...-0017_...
Q - well, so how do we know Obama didn't get one of those and just forge his birth certificate?
A - Because President Obama had a birth announcement in the local paper on August 13, 1961, just 9 days after he was born. The newspaper will not announce a birth unless they are provided with a birth certificate first. Also, because his Record ID number is "1961"-010641, meaning, the id number was generated in 1961, not 1982. And, as mentioned before, the Registrar confirmed that his ID number is valid and matches his name.
Q - so .. huh .. so I guess all this crap about birth certificates is pretty stupid then?
A - Yes, thats correct. There are many reasons to question President Obama's tenure as POTUS and Commander In Chief, but questioning his natural born citizenship is pretty damn stupid.
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and with that, I welcome your questions.
just thanks
very good burnt
[standingovation]Bravo.........[/standingovation]
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Best Comments Ever.
Should be elevated to a post on the front page of C&L
very good, I'm stealing this.
In Word on my desktop. Reference noted.
Truely excellent. I too stand and applaud.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
I blew a gasket last night reading comments from newsvine commenters on the MSNBC message board.
its like .. ok so not to get too deep into 9/11 here, but you know how people question what really happened. so .. ok .. some of the people questioning what really happened, like me, have absolutely NO understanding of sophisticated physics, or chemistry, or engineering.
now, I respectfully deferred to the experts. I didn't second guess architectural engineers, since .. well .. I can barely even build a shed.
but a lot of "truthers" would debate with people who spent their whole lives studying physics. and that to me was just .. absurd. it was like, look guys, you're trust fund brats. you're out of your intellectual jurisdiction.
right?
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well, I worked for 18 months in the Vital Statistics Division. I know the laws and procedures and policies particularly for Oregon but generally pretty well across the country.
I spent 8+ hours a day, Monday through Friday, looking up, printing, and delivering birth certificates to qualified recipients .. I spent 8+ hours a day, entering new records into our system.
the fact that the State Registrar for the State of Hawaii ... who ... lets face it ... is the world's leading authoritarian on the very niche topic of Hawaiian births ...
the fact that college dropouts like Glenn Beck are second guessing him, is even more asinine than pothead truthers second guessing Popular Mechanics.
and frankly, what they're asking for ... *LITERALLY* does not exist.
"why don't he just release the official public copy of the original long form hospital record with his foot prints on it, why is he spending millions of dollars in legal fees to keep it sealed" ... I read statements like that and its like "oh my god where do I begin explaining how asinine a statement that is".
so last night, I began. I think its a pretty comprehensive FAQ.
please forward this FAQ to your ignorant friends, and explain to them that the same policies protecting President Obama's birth certificate from their prying eyes, are the same policies protecting identity thieves from screwing with their credit and legal record.
sounds like KO's or maddow's producers should be calling you to be a guest for a segment on this topic.
I don’t have much interaction with these people. I don’t invite it. But just for grins, I did engage a Birther the other day. Not to try to prove anything (it’s futile), just to see how far the hysteria would go. This guy was late 40’s, white, and militant. And he was very serious. This is what I got out of my prompting…
The believe thing is what I found most interesting. Facts did not matter to this person. No amount of evidence or persuasion was going to change his mind. That’s how it is with a belief system. It’s religion.
Thanks for the smiles.
I also like to respond to the birther question by telling the person that to be a U.S. senator you have to go through a pretty rigorous and lengthy vetting process. You will be having one of the highest security clearances in the land, next to . . The President.
So that would mean that the Secret Service and the DOD believes you are an American citizen.
This whole birth certificate nonsense is just that, nonsense.
you rock!!
Indeed, this should be put front & centre on every blog & newspaper that seeks to provide the truth & the facts.
Well done & thank you!!!
Why does the MSM bend over backwards time and time again to try and legitimize these dipsticks? Probably ratings - follow the money.
Same reason they only showed the pro-invasion of Iraq morons instead of all the people against it.
Same reason they are not covering the looting of the public treasury by the banksters.
And you have to be narrow minded to believe some of the shit they do.
Halloween, 1938; Mercury Theater broadcasts “War of the Worlds.” Why was there mass hysteria?
We were just coming out of the second dip of the Depression. War was waging in Europe. People had few sources for news. They hear on the radio War has come to the U.S. and freak. But the ignorant masses were already primed and conditioned to freak. The conditions were right.
It was just 3 years later that war DID come to the U.S – only in the form of an attack on a naval base in the pacific.
Skip ahead 60 years…
We are just entering a new great recession. War is waging in the ME. People have few sources of news – and watch Fox. They hear on the news that Obama is a Muslim and out to take away their freedom and liberty and freak. But these ignorant masses are too already primed and conditioned to freak. Only its not entertaining.
It’s going to be interesting to see what’s going to happen 3 years from now.
In an effort to oust a sitting democratic President, these ignorant sore-losing, racists used Paula Jones against Clinton the way they're using the 'birth certificate' against President Obama . .
There was probably simultaneous head explosions on the evening of 11/4/08 . .
Naaah...his best line was calling Palin and Bachmann...MILFs...Morons I'd Like To Forget.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
I will never respect them again for this race to the bottom. They can join CNN in the no-viewership zone.
Remember that old Far Side cartoon "What Dogs Hear"?
What Obama says to teabaggers:
"Because of this plan, 95 percent of working households in America will receive a tax cut, a tax cut that you will see in your paychecks beginning on April 1... I asked this Congress to send me a recovery plan by Presidents Day that would put people back to work and put money in their pockets, not because I believe in bigger government -- I don't -- not because I'm not mindful of the massive debt we've inherited ..."
What they hear:
"Blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah TAX blah, blah TAX blah blah blah blah blah blah YOUR PAYCHECKS blah blah blah blah... blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah I BELIEVE IN BIGGER GOVERNMENT -- blah blah -- blah blah blah blah blah blah blah THE MASSIVE DEBT blah blah ..."
That dovetails nicely with a comment I read recently(@Rawstory?) that said we should all be refering to Palin as Lady Blah Blah.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrikNFX-8E&fe...
For balance.
Obamas: $5.5 million income, $1.8 million tax bill
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
25% of Americans think the Tea Party represents a majority opinion. 84% of Tea Partiers think they represent a majority opinion. These are some pathologically myopic people - perhaps that's why they persist...
Myopia is the word - they live in a bubble of folks who all have the same source of information (Fox) and whose conversation reinforces rather than challenges their beliefs. That's why I come here and a few other sites - for reinforcement. But I also make it a point to get news from a variety of sources and even to read authors who make me want to hurl the book across the room. Open mind is not a virtue to the TP.
These same people believe that George Bush was ELECTED!! FAIRLY!! They believe that global warming is a hoax. They believe that Saddam Hussien was responsible for 9/11.
My guess is that in the last election, they hated Obama, did not like McCain, loved Palin. They did not believe it was possible for a black man to be elected. They did not vote. Some of them have not voted for many years. Now they wish they had voted and whine about "the government" not listening to them. Most of them had no interest in politics for the last decade. They want the man I voted for to do things their way, not the way he promised. I did not like thousands of things that went on under Bush, but no one in the Lame Stream Media listened to me either. The government is comprised of people who work for all of us, people that come from every neighborhood.
I was one of the many people in this country that stood up and cheered when Obama was elected. Not because I voted for him, but because it restored my faith in America that we as a people looked beyond race, and elected our first ever black president. I was thrilled with the historic significance of the moment!
I now have problems with the way he has been handling his presidency, and side with a lot (not all) of what the Tea Party has to say. Did I suddenly turn racist after 40 years of life? Hardly. I just disagree. To lump me in with a bunch of so called racists is ingenuine, and smacks of a lack of understanding. The funny thing is, when I first came on this site I used the term "you people" to describe a mindset of a large majority of posters. That phrase got my post deleted. Yet here I see on a daily basis the "you people" mentality aginst anything many here disagree with. It's time to look within before complaining in a broad spectrum.
They are pro stupid!
So what the poll data is saying is that the KKK is on a comeback?? Then, I have TWO WORDS for the KLAN members this poll identifies...
SCREW YOU !!
Old Strom was right and all his cohorts have ended up in the Republican Party, or as McCain calls it the party of Lincoln. I just don't like the part about them calling old Strom a communist. As in all inter-racial sex was done by communists. Maybe Strom had the "I just fucked the maid exemption" so it was really ok. San Dimas High School Football Rules.
They are white and older , educated but gullible and DUMB , definitely racist , they are afraid of Obama (black man) , heavily inspired / mislead by Beck and Fox . What's funny is they love their social security and medicare , government run mandated social programs ( socialism ). Other than "Obama care" , collectively they are a bunch of "angry" racist honkies who don't know , cannot agree on and cannot give particulars on exactly what they are angry about . It's a Beck / Hannity / Fox inspired small time freak show , an exhibition of right wing / Republican "stupidism" given far too much coverage / legitimacy by the MSM . The poll will make your head spin , it's really pretty comical .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
and they're wealthy CBS. I'd like to see a report on the income of these "common Americans". It's amazing that during such a devastating recession that all these average citizens have the spare time and finances to jet off to these D-bagger rallies at the drop of a hat and bitch about how high their taxes are.
I need to point something out to everyone here. I'm not about to get in a right and wrong debate over the tea-party movement. The fact is that they have both good and bad points, just like any other organization. My problem is with the use of the word "teabagger". Pretty repulsive folks. How can you say that these people (tea party people) do nothing but spew hate, and then use a hateful sounding term to describe them. And I'm assuming everyone here knows good and well what tea bag refers to, don't we? There's vitriol on both sides of the fence, and eventually someone has to do a little growing up, don't you think? Just my two cents.
quit rabbiting on about it. You whinge just like they do.
Nice of you to drop by and nonstop complain about how the place is, what you find disturbing &c.
Why would you be so unintelligent as to hang out with people whose language you find 'repulsive?'
They called themselves teabaggers, as in Teabag the Dems before they teabag you. I see it as using the term the teabaggers prefer.
me-oww!
Translation they are 100% Bigots and 100% Republican
And they are supported by Fox. Three very easy Dots to
Connect.
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