Pardon, Me? Toussie!
Bush can't even do this....oh..nevermind...
Questions continued to swirl Thursday over the president's decision to withdraw a pardon for a New York developer involved in a Long Island mortgage fraud scheme. Isaac Toussie, 36, was convicted in 2001 of mail fraud and of making false statements to the Department of Housing and Urban Development that stemmed from the mortgage scheme.
The White House initially announced the pardon Tuesday afternoon, immediately setting off a firestorm of criticism from angry homeowners and investors, as well as government watchdog organizations quick to note Toussie's ties to prominent Republican officeholders.
Among the questions now being asked are:
• Why didn't the White House conduct a more thorough investigation of Toussie's background?
• Why did White House Counsel Fred Fielding circumvent the typical pardon application process by directly considering Toussie's clemency request instead of leaving it to the Justice Department?
• Did Toussie get special treatment because of his political connections?
On MSNBC, Wingnut Republican Ron Christie was just very happy that Bush got it right at the end after initially granting the pardon.
It was all a big misunderestimaestanding.
First, Ron Christie is an idiot..
Second, Chimp couldn't get this right if he tried...He's too busy preparing the blanket pardons for the whole govt...
you got that right...the pardons will all read
this from bush:
i am the dictator, so
i pardon my entire administration for all
the crimes they did commit whether the public
know about them or not, since i can't cover up
everything.......
....Yet!
Because THAT is a pardon that could NOT be reversed!!!
(Power of Israel/AIPAC etc., etc., etc.)
Believe me, Bush is being lobbied BIG time on the Pollard pardon.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Its gonna be interesting.
Bush probably has an official ass wiper. I doubt he looks at papers placed in front of his face to sign, just scribbles Chimpy and lets it go at that. That is until he gets about the heavy lifting of those pardons for his gang on torturers and other war crimes pals including himself. That's the batch of Pardons that will be interesting to see... I can't wait for him to try to pardon him self.
They're trying to use this to compare favorably to Clinton's pardoning Mark Rich.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
What can't this asswipe screw up?????
I saw that even Michelle Malkin was openly criticizing this pardon.
Chimpie still has a bit over a month to really screw even more things up....how much anyone want to bet????
How does Ron Christie ever have any credibility? If some Republican was caught with a smoking gun in his hand standing over someone, Ron would say, "Well he said he was sorry!" Can't they find someone else?
ljmel
Yesterday's analysis from www.electoral-vote.com :
Another Bush clusterfuck!
... but I think once he's pardoned, he STAYS pardoned.
Nothing in the Constitution gives Chimpy an un-pardoning power.
Think about it. For maybe 24 hours or so, Toussie was a squeaky-clean unblemished man. Completely pardoned. Then the Chimpster puts a big black X next to his name again -- hey, Chimp, only a jury has that power.
It's the kind of technicality that lawyers love. Hope it goes to the Supremes for a decision.
Under Constitutional law - again based on old concepts and old paper.... A presidential pardon is final and can not be reversed at any time. The "let's have discussions" after a pardon is granted is not allowed. For a president to reverse a pardon would be giving the authority of a king. Why Obama can't reverse Bush's pardons.
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... can't reverse a Bush pardon, either.
First he screws up and pardons, then he screws up and tries to un-pardon. What a farce.
Bush doesn't care what any of us think, and of course they knew of the contributions to the party- why else would he have gotten the pardon in the first place? However, the Senate Repuklicans have been loading for bear on the Eric Holder nomination since it was announced because he was involved in Clinton's Marc Rich pardon. This Toussie pardon would have cut them off at the knees, which obviously pissed them off.
is such a BSer when he appears on these shows.
Here is my quandry: Why do the Repugs have more Afro-Americans shilling for them on TV than they do in National offices? There is not 1 Afro-American in the Congress who is a Repug!
people from orgs and think tanks desperate to get into Dc circles or onto TV.
Power is a great attractor, people make a hard choice, money or shouting impotently in the wilderness
that if it were found to be improper, then no branch of the USA government could over-ride, Isn't that true. That a pardon by the president cannot be over-ridden by any other branch?
My understanding is that once a pardon is issued, it can not be revoked, by anyone. Why isn't that being brought up?
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Under Constitutional law - again based on old concepts and old paper.... A presidential pardon is final and can not be reversed at any time. The "let's have discussions" after a pardon is granted is not allowed. For a president to reverse a pardon would be giving the authority of a king. Why Obama can't reverse Bush's pardons.
Election 2012: Be Educated! Be Active! Vote!
www.PhoenixJustice.com
he does the no trial instant godhead sovereign condemnation of an innocent (pardoned) man.
Some very interesting concepts going on here.
Robert Toussie paid for his pardon and should get it. The going price for a Republican Pardon is 40,000 dollars. Those you gave more get more and that's just the way it is. Bush will invent a law to make sure all his cronies who helped bring the United States to this recession will get what they ask for. Republicans are loyal criminals who believe in standing up for the criminals.
Now Obama is young and has these ideas that American Politics can be honest so he got 5 dollars from milliions of Americans instead of getting those millions from big business and rich cronies plus the Churches. Yes it's a change now pardons will be followed by the Law. Many Democrats and Republican Law Makers don't like not being corrupt and now they wont get those big kick backs.
Obama got lots and lots of millions from big business and rich cronies.
Here is the overview.
Here are contributors.
Obama:
University of California $1,069,898
Goldman Sachs $884,907
Harvard University $732,150
Microsoft Corp $714,358
Google Inc $704,649
Here is by Industry.
Obama beat McCain in most categories, Fat Cats included.
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UBS, one of whose high, North American officers is ... wait for it...
Phil Gramm!
Who EVER could have imagined?
Obama's campaign statement that he didn't take money from Lobbyists was true, and politically brilliant.
It sounded really good but it meant very little.
An individual lobbyist could donate only the same amount as any individual, ie $2300 for the primaries and again for the main election campaign.
Obama said nothing about not taking money from PACS which he got tens of millions from.
In American politics, money equals votes.
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I guess even the founding fathers (what a pathetic descriptor) couldn't have imagined the circuitous, illogical, irrational, tautological and just plain friggin' scary mental gymnastics that a retarded, deluded, warmongering, Alfred E. Newman clone could come up with. It's beyond all comprehension. Somebody . . please plow this yawb in the teeth and stop the pain.
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
I voted for Obama and am excited for the first time in many years. I just had a horrible thought that in the spirit of Ford, he might pardon Bush for all kinds of reasons. We need to get closure of all things Bush, and like the evil Nikon, that can't be done with a pardon. It just can't!
ljmel
The country is clearly split on war crimes. To go after him for his crimes probably aint gonna happen, there are still enough stupid and scared people in this country to shriek bloody murder if they went after that little dumbshit ex-Pres. and war criminal extraordinaire.
All his cronies/handlers will get away scot free, it's time to prepare yourself for that ugly truth.
But that does not mean people cannot hound these folks with something they've suppressed for 8 years, the truth.
Make 'em all sweat, remind them they are war criminals, as well as your fellow Americans, every chance you get
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
of a pardon to be around $40,000, give or take.
I only have one word in response (Wait for it) ------CLINTON! The master of the pardon.
isnt the power to pardon absolute?
let bush pardon whoever he wants to
i want him to go down in history as the scumbag that he really is
he needs to be reviled
he needs to be spat upon whereever he goes
Yes those are some big amounts and big names of businesses but I read the following as it was on top of the list
These tables list the top donors to these candidates in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
Interesting that it was the individuals that brought that total. Now Toussie gave by himself 40,000 dollars. I guess if donating to Obama means getting something there are millions like myself who gave 2,000 I wonder what does that buy? Well Obama said with the donation just thank you.
Looks like Bush vets his indulgences as the party selects its vice presidential candidates.
... it seems the guy has finally started to take charge of his "legacy."
It's as if, after 8 years in a bubble, they've finally let the President google himself. As a result, he's showing some normal political sensitivity.
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