Red State's Erik Erickson is up for a revolution
By John Amato Wednesday Apr 01, 2009 2:30pmDavid Neiwert of C&L has been covering the rise of militias in America since President Obama took office and which is being promoted by right wing hate radio and other media personalities, but now conservative bloggers are openly promoting revolt.
Erick Erickson is mad as hell and asks “at what point do people revolt?”
At what point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get off the couch, march down to their state legislator’s house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?
At some point soon, it will happen. It’ll be over an innocuous issue. But the rage is building. It’s not a partisan issue. […] Were I in Washington State, I’d be cleaning my gun right about now waiting to protect my property from the coming riots or the government apparatchiks coming to enforce nonsensical legislation.
At issue here is . . . an environmental regulation relating to dishwasher detergent.
Glenn Beck is appealing to this type of audience, and which is a reason for his rise in ratings, but Erik's open invitation to beat politicians to a bloody pulp is revolting. By the way, the Bush administration is responsible for the mess we're in, and if you look at the protests going on while the G-20 begins, Erik can thank the man he supported with all his heart for that as well. What will Howard Kurtz say now that right-wing bloggers are openly calling for violence?
I've long rolled my eyes about armchair revolutionaries, the ones who dream of revolution but can't quite manage to get out of their chairs. We do have people on our "side" who express such sentiments, but they're limited to anonymous people in comments sections and not, you know, prominent bloggers and commentators.
Our comment sections were used against us by the media as if anonymous commenters were speaking for me somehow, but Erik is speaking for himself. You can bet that when Bush was in office and I had written something like that, law enforcement would have been knocking at my door.
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Tap the phones? Okay!
Appoint unqualified ideologues to important positions? Cool!
Regulate water quality? COMMIES! FASCISTS! GET YER GUNS! REVOLT!
What a load of morons. Heavily armed morons.
or, in their lingo, 'morans'.
Revolution?
Don't these people get that the revolution has already happened and they were on the loosing side? What we have here now is "reconstruction" there's not much clout available to the loosing side during reconstruction . . .
He doesn't think that no banker left behind is reason enough to revolt. What is wrong with these people.
Ignorance, arrogance, vested interest in regressive economic polices, xenophobia, classism, chauvinism, bigotry, paranoia ...
Revolt?
What a stupid idea.
Buy some take-out. Gobble it down.
Jesus.
We're on the same side.
How do these idiots get these ideas?
How dare these people tar all bloggers with their hateful brush. Whatever happened to the Sedition Act? The only terrorist attacks in MY state came about from an operation called the Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord. I kid not. 'Nuff said!
The same people clinging to their Borax would be the first to sneer at a hippie's patchouli-scented rags. But who has the cleaner conscience?
But who do you want to be in an elevator with?
I didn't hear a peep out of these right wing nuts during the highly oppresive power grabs of the Bush administration-save for calling dissenters traitors and communists.. why did they give Bush and Cheney a pass???
and Cheney aren't girly boys.
The things that Cheney and Bush did are far beyond them. They don't understand, and just assume it was secret leader man business. But the soap, God-damn it!...
Simple bigotry is the reason the militia groups are so up in arms- many of these grops are white power goups, and what they find most offensive is that a black man is president....
If they really gave a crap about stopping abuses of presidential power,they would have been front in center demnding the removal of Bush and Cheney...
I said the same thing just below your post. It's 2009!!! The Civil War is still over. They can't stand the fact that one black man is smarter than their entire party. Smart enough to crush them in the elections, smart enough to do more for this country in less than 100 days than a redneck from Texas(Maine) did in eight years. They will continue to oppose everything Obama does only because it will make them look dumber than a black man.
I bet Erik and people like him have all had fantasies of tapping a black woman but would never admit it. (sorry ladies, just making a point)
"I bet Erik and people like him have all had fantasies of tapping a black woman but would never admit it. (sorry ladies, just making a point)"
This paragraph doesn't bother me. ;) I once overheard some guys trying to reason with a racist (one especially against mixed marriages and families), and they were telling him that if *insert many Hispanic, Black, and mixed female celebrities here* had asked him for a little "fun," they doubted he would say no. As a mixed Hispanic girl, I was actually kinda proud of that moment. :)
As to your first paragraph, I agree wholeheartedly. And while it's bad enough to them that Obama is the one pwning them, it's just probably humiliating enough that they are being pwned so heavily lately period...
I just thought I better put a disclaimer on my post because some people can be a little to sensitive even when making a point. I guess though I could have used a word other than "tapping". How about "sexual relations"?
I hate playing the race card, but there is no other explanation to this unmitigated and unending attacks other than racism. We laugh at their logic and wonder how any sane person could believe such nonsense. That is the whole point, there is no way a person in their right mind would support this nonsense unless it was tainted with hate.
Republicans hate everybody except other braindead republicans
they pretty much hate other republicans too.
This is all about Obama's color. Conservatives have lost many times but you've never heard so many calls for a revolution. This is nothing more than racism. They just can't stand the fact that a black man is running the country. They claim it's his policies and their conservative values but it's nothing more than racism.
They were the same with Clinton, only to a lesser degree. I used to play online games with a guy who was always hating on Clinton but could never adequately explain why.
This is just the end result of the republicans' effective demonization of "the enemy".
with minorities. That's anathema to racists.
Respectfully disagree. Only because of their hatred and viciousness. They wanted Clinton gone something bad but it was not at this level. I do agree it is about their party but their is a lot of hatred because President Obama is a black man. They can deal with to a point a white man making decisions in which they disgaree but when it's a black man, that's a different story. They need a revolution. I may be wrong, but I don't recall such a large number of people calling for an armed revolution. It was more trying to dig shit up to find a way to impeach Clinton, not a revolution. It's actually kind of scary.
But yeah, they seem a bit more crazy about it these days. Maybe because they're being bombarded by the Becks and Rush Limbaughs (although Rush was on back then too, and was pretty messed up, he wasn't pants-pissingly messed up -- maybe the drugs have driven him further over the edge).
These are the types of people who manage to feel self-satisfied when they win something by cheating, so to call them poor losers is a bit of an understatement. They can't handle it. They need to find some sort of cheat codes.
I'm not saying there wasn't any militia movement. Their was without a doubt. Hell, Oklahoma City. Just not on this scale. Unfortunately Timothy McVeigh acted on it. They're creating more and more McVeigh's and there chalkboard motivation is a black man as President.
The bigger point is when you have someone who holds the office that a Michelle Bachmann holds and calling for people to be armed what does that say to the average person dumb enough to vote for her? She is inciting people to overthrow the government and she is part of government who believe in her. Fuck Erik, what she has said and continues to say is very dangerous and should be addressed. We are not all rational people.
It's almost as if these wingnuts are reading the Turner Diaries over and over lately...
Yes, they hated Clinton's guts passionately, but their hate has been taken up many, many notches and it's scary.
When I read this post, that was my initial gut feeling too. It's not just the wing-nut bloggers spouting this stuff. My friend Robert likes to check out the front pages of the tabloids when he goes to Safeway, and he's always telling me about the hate-on the Globe Media Entertainment tabloids have for Obama. I didn't see this kind of rage even during the Clinton administration.
Yesterday I peeked at a taboid in the drugstore and found an article alleging that the Obama team was out to do a dirty tricks campaign against Rush Limbaugh. Maybe it's just a case of rats assuming that everyone else is a rat. Even if the story is true, I would find it hard to complain. I would rather enjoy seeing someone beat Rush at his own game.
Makes me wanna say "So the black guy got elected President. Take a Valium and get over it already!"
Erickson started RedState.org from his home in Macon, GA, which I believe goes by the slogan "the heart of Dixie."
Are you really suggesting that there is racism alive and well in Macon, Georgia? Well, I declare, I never heard something so... well, that just gives me the vapors.
I think it's much more likely that he is sincerely comiserating with the good people of Spokane who must live with the indignity of a locally passed clean water ordinance.
By the way, here's a picture of Erick, son of Erick:
http://richdisney.com/erick-erickson.html
I think he comes from a long line of Ericks. A long, straight line with no branches.
Seriously? I mean I live in the Puget Sound Region albeit on the other side of the sound (the less populous region) but I swear this isn't as big an issue as say the Mayor being the only one to be plowed out this winter or Seattle PUD raising our rates so they can afford to give us a rebate for overcharging us. This isn't raising as much fuss around here as the "forced" recycling being instituted. And Seattle-ites are going to be the last people to take to arms. Jeez they will drink liberally and argue in the coffee shops more than anything. If he wants a revolution he should go to Tri-Cities.
my wife just left on a mini vacation to her mom's in the tri-cities (Pasco). They love their guns out there, but while they may seem Right of Seattle, they aren't even close to being this crazy.
As to your comment about Seattle starting a revolution, I laugh but then I remember that whole G7 riot (right?). But riot over requiring earth friendly detergent will never EVER happen.
Yeah I know Tri-Cities isn't full of McCoys and Hatfields, but given the state of this state and it's constant tug of war for funds and recognition any WA gun-toting revolution is more likely to start over there where they feel that us lucky westerners get more money, more attention, and more good stuff in general. Yeah we also get toll bridges and higher taxes but they don't want any of that.
im thinking something involving property rights and their god given natural right to build in the gorge? okay thats a bit snarky... lol.
Before you call me an idiot -thats Oregon- that was kind of the point. It wouldn't start here.... :-)
I've NEVER heard so much pissing and moaning about losing an election.
Would someone please tell these right-wing dickheads that we had an ELECTION as provided by the United States CONSTITUTION, and Obama won it. If, four years from now, Obama suspends the Constitution and declares himself "president for life" then, yes, I will gladly kiss the asses of people like Glenn Beck and admit we need to have a revolution. But, unless and until that happens, these sore losers need to STFU.
P.S. Notice the difference between liberals and conservatives? When conservatives lose an election, they threaten secession, rebellion, or worse. When liberals lose an election, they threaten....to move to Canada.
"When conservatives lose an election, they threaten secession, rebellion, or worse. When liberals lose an election, they threaten....to move to Canada."
Great line! I'm Canadian, and my Mom is a proud naturalized Canadian from Germany. She is gonna love this.
have rabies! :(
Rabies is fatal and these jerks seem to go on forever.
US House and Senate are about (in a week and a half) to vote on bill that will OUTLAW ORGANIC FARMING (bill HR 875). There is an enormous rush to get this into law within the next 2 weeks before people realize what is happening.
Main backer and lobbyist is (guess who) Monsanto (aspartame maker) - chemical and genetic engineering giant corporation. This bill will require organic farms to use specific fertilizers and poisonous insect sprays dictated by the newly formed agency to "make sure there is no danger to the public food supply". This will include backyard gardens that grow food only for a family and not for sales.
If this passes then NO more heirloom clean seeds but only Monsanto genetically altered seeds that are now showing up with unexpected diseases in humans.
Does no such thing. Where did you get this drivel?
HR 875 just improves tracking of foodborne illnesses and brings all food safety regulation under jurisdiction of the FDA (instead of, I suppose, the USDA.) It has no effect on growing food in your backyard, and does not outlaw organic farming.
Come on! I've grown tomatoes, herbs, sunflowers, and harvested figs, apples, peaches, pears, canned them to preserves -- all within city limits. It would take an army and several satellites just to keep up with my organic home-canning operation. Let em try.
C&L retracted similar comments after finding out that it was all untrue. Check your sources.
These people are f'in dangerous and nuts. Incitement to violence is very dangerous. I hope the FBI is monitoring this stuff. At some point speech like this that advocates physical harm to elected officials slips from free speech to illegal incitement.
I mean...it HAS to, right?
We've had a Republican in the WH for 8 years and if anybody said anything bad about him, pundits would call for an FBI probe.
Now the pundits themselves have never used rhetoric more violent than they have since Obama took office. And the guy hasnt even been in for 100 days yet!
think alike.
Quit laughing at me but I really wish they cover this more. This is pure treason. Nothing less. This is how you start a revolution. By getting people frothing at mouth. I believe in free speech but as the old saying goes you can't yell fire in crowded theater.
If left-wing bloggers were making statements like these, there would be immediate arrests, and the Democrats in D.C. (led by DINOs like Harry Reid) would pass a law labelling *hate blogging* an act of terrorism.
If and when Erick Erickson manages to get off his couch and make it all the way up a flight of stairs, I'll start to worry about him starting a revolution.
he just wants to start one from his couch via idiotic proxy
I havent been an active member long enough to call them domestic terrorists. This is really disturbing, this hack is proposing a revolution over dish washing soap?! The right-wing nut jobs are really really starting to get scary.
I mean about people being ready for armed revolt over dishwashing soap. If anyone out there knows a little more about that story, please let us know. Thanks!
By we Canadians to get the population up here bumped up a tad so we don't have to live in constant fear of a 10 to 1 ratio.
I hate to say it, but I think we are closer to another Civil war than we think. The division in this country is at levels not seen in over a hundred years, and the animosity and hate mongering is getting pretty bad.
A hand full of radio/tv personalities agitate tens of thousands of idiots who do nothing more but continue to spew their hateful crap.
But, I can't help but think they are stirring the pot hoping one lonesome lunatic will do the unthinkable.
That's it exactly 1openmind! They are inciting people. One reason is they have their believes no matter how archaic they are but to much of a pussy to do anything about it. They are not stupid people but they know their audience is.
What these assholes don't realize is that they are in the minority. First thing is we have the military on our side. Second thing is that even though we are liberal we have more guns than they do. Third thing is that we believe in the constitution more than they do and just like out forefathers we will not stop until every one of these scum bags are tossed off shore. Bring it on assholes!! Michele Bachmann if you and Glenn Beck keep talking revolution your lives will change for the worse. Believe me.
Having said that I am really much happier watching these jerks implode without any help from anybody.
umm... we have more guns than they do? Why would you say that? You're acting like you're taking what he's saying seriously...
A right-winger beating his chest and claiming that ANY MINUTE NOW, he's going to get/hit/kill something is such an old dog and pony show. I'm surprised he didnt start the post with, "hold me back! hold me back or I'll kill him".
It's politics as a pose so they can associate with the more pro-violence party for self-image purposes. Either that or they are trying to prove to female chimps that they are both pro-violence and pro-wealth. Very chimpy stuff.
What ever happened to the old "If you don't like it get out!" meme that republicans were yelling to democrats the last 8 years?
Last 8 years? Try since Vietnam.
ok, that works too...
Erik Erikson, is that name for real? He needs to revolt against his Momma for slapping that name on him.
the country passed on the one time recently when we should have had a revolution. it was when 5 Rethuglican Supreme Court Justices ruined our country by thwarting democracy and installing Bush and Cheney as co-dictators.
More recently we actually did experience a revolution in this country. it was at the voting booth when in 2004 and 2008 Anericans revolted against the Rushthugliklans and kicked their asses out of office. If Erik Erikson doesn't like how the free elections of 2004 and 2008 turned out he can get the hell out of America and move to some fascist country where his ilk would feel more at home anyways.
Never seen a picture of this guy but something tells me he is a pudgy, pasty white, doughy pantload....with no combat experience.
of the lunatic revolutionary talk coming from some Right Wingers in this country.
...against any hate radio host, cable news propagandist or reich wing blog if and when someone or some persons is a victim of their hate speech. We have free speech until one yells fire in a crowded theatre. Next time a conservative terrorist like Tim McVeigh, Erik Rudolph or that Unitarian church shooter kills more innocent Americans sue them for every cent they got, then ship their broke asses to Gitmo for good ole fashioned waterboarding.
... a little revolution, now and then, is a good thing.
Especially if it's the short bus crowd doing the revolting, exposing their bankrupt ideologies, getting arrested, imprisoned, stamped as felons so they lose their guns, etc.
They should have done it three years ago when the bloody idiots were still in office.
He's underestimating the other half of the country.
I wonder if they're willing to accept the ramifications of this kind of speech?
There's plenty of people still pissed off at Boosh and his band of misery men.
Hey Erickson, you'll go down before I do. bank on it.
With inciting violence and inciting domestic unrest?
Last time I checked, that was illegal.
that's gonna happen sooner than we think...
but once the yammering idiots start gettin arrested, there will be an uprising of the rabid listeners, but it will likely get quashed pretty damn fast.
I think he's 100% wrong about pretty much everything he says, and though I love him and his family, I just gotta say that homie has never punched anything or anyone in his life.
Erik, if you read this, you know who it is and you know what you wrote is shit you would NEVER do.
And yes, this is the guy that puked Mad Dog and Doritos in your bathtub when I couldn't reach the commode. Sorry about that, but you have to admit that it was pretty funny.
He's on the Macon city council, and in fact getting along very badly with his peers and missing meetings, too.
Honestly, from the time I left RedState last August to now, Erick's descent into record depths of delusion and stupidity (from an already dismal place) is the most rapid I've ever seen in a first-term politician in any level of government.
If the Reich wingers have a revolution does that mean I'll be getting teabagged by Rush Limbaugh?
Doesn't that take some motor control?
his quads couldn't take the strain...
It's not the pollution as much as the algae blooms - phosphates make the perfect conditions for them and then they take the oxygen from the water and the fish die.
I prefer a little work on the dishes if it keeps the fish alive. I'm an avid fisherman and hunter, so anything that's good for the environment benefits me.
And anyone that tries to beat my state representatives to a pulp might just get pwned.
I just spent a week arguing with these whack jobs on NewsBusters, And they are DANGEROUS! I advise all liberals to buy a gun and learn how to use it. I am convinced that within my lifetime -- and I'm 54 -- we're going to see armed revolt perpetrated by the right. And we'd damned well better know how to defend ourselves.
I've been saying that for quite some time!
I'll bet Erickson is on the horn with Michelle Bachmann right now, citing the constitution's "electrasol-bloody pulp clause".
The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord? They killed people just a few miles from where I sit blogging in Spring's wisteria breeze! It's amazing that with all the "advances" in surveillance over the past 8 years, incendiary seditious speech like this is still in effect. Maybe it is just to give folks enough rope to get tracked, who knows? But it's obvious what this type of verbiage is asking for -- federal surveillance. So thanks to C & L for putting a light on this cock-roachery.
These un-American assholes are wanting to revolt NOW?
Goddamn these rightwing fucktards!
They want a fight? I say lets give them a fucking fight!
I strongly suggest that you do.
I was surprised by the candidness of Erickson's call to arms. I am not sure what it was that set him off (I doubt it was the detergent story - perhaps a bad breakfast burrito), but he is bordering on irresponsible with this post.
A test for irresponsibility would be if someone committed a violent act, could they argue that they were incited to action by Erikson's post. In this case it would not be clear either way - but that is a problem in and of itself. Political discussion should never be the source of violent action, no matter how vague.
On the positive side, if you take the time to read the comments (which I find more helpful in understanding the conservative right's viewpoint than the articles themselves) the majority denounced Erickson's position as baseless. A few even went so far to say that they are from the region where the detergent drama is playing out and no one actually cares about it. This is unheard of on Redstate, where arguments against a contributor are met with derision, name-calling, or outright bannage.
It was enlightening to see so many people spitting out the bait, even though it was unnerving to see Erickson go so far. If it had been Moe Lane no one would have paid any attention.
The reason there are gun laws is because of lunatic Right Wing-NutO's.
Bring on all these stupid, uneducated, Reslug bigots. Maybe most of them will be permanently stomped out and that's a big win for the our country.
"I've long rolled my eyes about armchair revolutionaries, the ones who dream of revolution but can't quite manage to get out of their chairs."
People are basically lemmings, and they will get their fat asses out of their chairs when they see others doing it.
As I said in the other post about Beck, don't underestimate angry, frightened people with guns. That idiot will look back and wonder what he was thinking...when it's too late.
These John Birchers have been dishing outing this spiel for decades. (Get it? DISHING out...)
So fuggum.
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