Will ex-military 'Patriots' form a more dangerous kind of militias?
One of the more disturbing trends we've been observing is the return of far-right "Patriot" rhetoric about government oppression with the election of President Obama. Fueled in no small part by mainstream right-wing talkers proclaiming we're headed into "socialism" -- not to mention a "radical communist" who must be "stopped" or else America will "cease to exist" -- the overheated rhetoric has been gradually getting higher in volume, intensity, and frequency with each passing week.
The initial concern that this raises is the possibility of a new wave of citizen militias, particularly when you have mainstream pundits like Glenn Beck out there helping to promote the concept. As Glenn Greenwald observed, the "Patriots" are back with a vengeance.
At least for the time being, however, there isn't any evidence of new militias forming, though we may see numbers growing within the coming months within existing units, particularly as Fox News and radio pundits start fueling right-wing anxieties.
However, we are starting to see a trend that's even more disturbing: Military veterans voicing Patriot-movement beliefs, including threats of violent resistance to the Obama administration.
One of them made the news recently:
A federal grand jury indicted a former Camp Lejeune Marine on Wednesday on charges that he threatened the life of Barack Obama, the U.S. Attorney's Office confirmed today.
Kody Brittingham, 20, formerly a lance corporal with 2nd Tank Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, was accused of making threats against Obama while he was president-elect, said Robin Zier, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's office for the eastern district of North Carolina.
Brittingham was arrested by the Jacksonville Police Department on breaking and entering charges in mid-December 2008.
Naval investigators discovered a journal allegedly written by Brittingham in his barracks after his arrest by civilian authorities in December. The journal contained plans on how to kill the president, as well as white supremacist material, a federal law enforcement official said.
This is an example of why I've called the Iraq War "the Timothy McVeigh Finishing School": Inevitably, there are going to be competent killers either joining the far right from our military ranks -- especially if they've been recruited into those beliefs either before or during their service -- or enacting far-right "lone wolf scenarios," and they are going to have the ability to wreak a great deal of havoc.
Another vivid example is the above video, in which an anonymous "Marine" not only urges that citizen militias form to resist any new gun laws and possibly taxation, but also promises them that "there is a resistance" within the military as well.
Note also that the video opens with a quote from Thomas Jefferson: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Of course, this was the inscription on the T-shirt worn by Timothy McVeigh (picture here) at the time of his arrest for the April 19, 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.
Remember, too, that there have already been concerns raised about the infiltration of neo-Nazis into the ranks of the military. If Patriot-movement beliefs -- which are only a few degrees removed from neo-Nazi beliefs anyway -- have become somewhat common in the ranks of the military, then the concerns raised then by the FBI hold true in this situation as well:
Military experience—ranging from failure at basic training to success in special operations forces—is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement. FBI reporting indicates extremist leaders have historically favored recruiting active and former military personnel for their knowledge of firearms, explosives, and tactical skills and their access to weapons and intelligence in preparation for an anticipated war against the federal government, Jews, and people of color.
... The prestige which the extremist movement bestows upon members with military experience grants them the potential for influence beyond their numbers. Most extremist groups have some members with military experience, and those with military experience often hold positions of authority within the groups to which they belong.
... Military experience—often regardless of its length or type—distinguishes one within the extremist movement. While those with military backgrounds constitute a small percentage of white supremacist extremists, FBI investigations indicate they frequently have higher profiles within the movement, including recruitment and leadership roles.
Reading the comments to the above Marine's video, you can see that he's not an isolated case:
This Marine is right on. Those now in power in Washington are hell-bent on destroying America and The Constitution. The Marine is right, America is a Republic, NOT a democracy, and what he says about laws that infringe on the 2nd Amendment is right. Any law that 'infringes' on the right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional. This Marine is a patriot. Those that disagree with him, you know where the border is.
You only wish that's what he was. Everything he said int hat video is true. And if you weren't so blind to what is going on right now, ie. the government wanting to nationalize the banking systems, wanting to increase gun laws...not that there aren't over 20k already on the books, I could continue. The American people aren't free anymore, they just have a false sense of freedom, given to them to keep them complacent and happy as they go about their daily lives...but soon that will end.
I believe there is a mountain of truth to this video. Everyone I know is stocking up on guns/ammo/food. I was in the military and I think most servicemembers feel the same as him. They took the oath to protect and defend the constituion against all enemies foreign and domestic. Most military members are very patriotic and attuned to what is going on. When I was in, most everyone hated Clinton. I can only imagine what they feel toward Obama and the Congress.
The context in which this is bubbling up is perhaps the most troubling. We're seeing an increase in hate-group activity nationally. Much of the animus is directed at President Obama (see, for instance the "Birthers" -- led by Alan Keyes and his compatriots), and much of it is more generically directed at liberals and immigrants.
In any event, it isn't long after right-wingers name their "enemies" that we start seeing violence directed their way. And the most dangerous potential for this lies with the young men we've just spent years training how to kill.



We need some humor! College humor!
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1902812
We don't need no humor up here, we need seriousness when it comes to Journalism. We need hard core people willing to tell the truth and not fear criticism or ridicule. We need Journalists who realize their importance as a profession. We need a lot of things, but diversionary humor isn't one we need right now or right at the top of this thread. Our Country is in need of Patriots who are willing to put it on the line for the future. We get enough comedy and diversionary tactics from the main stream media and every tv channel on the tube. But I appreciate your concerns. It just needs to be mixed with a lot of doses of truth. I'd say 1 tenth humor for every 9 tenths truth. That is about my ideal balance now. Peace.
We need the Fairness Doctrine back, at any rate! Talk radio is a phenomenon of the past 20 years. It is not a birthright. Give me back my rawk n ROLL.
What did he say that was wrong? Except the autism thing.
I want my guns, I want to imprison tyrants, I want a return of Habeus
Corpus.
List the things he said that offended you. Please.
... (crickets)...
Exactly, we let Bush get away with innumerable crimes. Sure we
blogged and bitched and moaned, but they are free and on TV.
We did NOTHING!!!! NOTHING!!!! to end his reign and it still
goes on. Habeus Corpus is still suspended. Illegal wiretapping
continues. Bush and Cheney can see the clear blue sky.
He's actually right. If you go in with a mind-set that this video came out recently IN RESPONSE to Obama's presidency, it's deemed as a crack-pot conspiracy theorist with visions of a grand civil war to reclaim our lost rights.
If you picture it being published in 2003-2004, critical of the then CURRENT government, it's actually spot on. WE HAD lost a lot of constitutional rights in the name of safety.
It can't be both.
Gotta be one or the other.
Sorry. I meant the previous poster "Leadership" was right. *IF* you look at this video as having been posted years earlier, nearly everything he argues for is right.
If it's intended to reflect the current administration's views/policies, I'd have to say he's not even given enough time to predict anything based on anything done so far.
I get your meanin.
The fact that this rhetoric was never bandied about when Bush was president, when the government WAS taking away our rights as citizens, but suddenly when Obama's president--and he's actually trying to undo a lot of the damage Bush did--they're coming out of the woodwork.
It shows that this guy is using the Constitution as an excuse to rally extremists.
when we didn't even know if we would have another election.We don't know what his thoughts are now,Maybe he happy
very good point. smells of racism.
years old" neighbor is happy with Obama.
I think that the real extremists are gonna be few and far between, and they may cause a little ruckus here and there, but I'm thinkin the vast, VAST majority of Americans are taking a breather after the dictatorship of the last 8 years.
Obama's not perfect, but he's about 180 degrees from bush.
Was extremely incorrect.
He was implying that the Republican party has been there since the beginning of our country, and that they were the Founding Fathers.
Total and complete BS.
I couldn't listen to most of the other sutff, because it was all rhetoric and flash meant to incite people to violence.
My brain tends to shut down when faces with horrible oxymoronic and culturally illiterate disinformation gets spewed out upon me...
there are many kinds of republics. we are supposed to have a
democratic republic.he was saying our republic is not
functioning. it is you that imply.
Who watch this and think that the Republicans have the right to take over?
Ah, forget it. You're just as big of a concern troll as Kai.
They both use extremely off base examples to prove their closet right wing bullshit.
Call me a concern troll...which i am not...all you want.
It's called critical thinking. You are what gives the
left a bad name. Read my history of post on this blog.
A concern troll...no. But your boyfriend LeftandLeft says
the same thing. If I don't 1000% agree with the party line
I'm a repub concern troll. Either complete mental and
moral subjegation to what YOU consider reality or I am
a traitor. Fuck you...you joinLeftandleft in the
chauvinist ignore list.
As I've said before, being ignored by an ego-maniacal spaghetti spine goof like you is an honor and I am forever in your debt.
We are a Constitutional Republic.
... he was just "Whigging" out.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
I appreciate a good pun. "'Whigging' out." Heh.
Confederate Republikaners. They do not acknowledge anyone other than themselves as being Americans.
And they have their own, constantly moving definition of what constitutes being a true American.
i think the right has had a pretty consistent version of what constitutes being a "true" american at least since the 1950s.
It's whatever they say it is.
Don't you know "everybody is entitled to their opinion" in the U.S.?
Actually, I'm serious. Americans just don't read enough French philosophy in translation. The way Hitler and his fellow thugs perverted Nietzsche, I really think the self-proclaimed intellectual Neocons are exploiting Postmodernism. Whether they do so consciously or it is just something they sniff in the wind is moot. It's in the tradition of creationists saying evolution is "just a theory" but much more pervasive. More like Baudrillard's idea of the hyperreal where we're so saturated with media that simulate reality (and HD TV can't help) that the distinction between the imaginary and real just breaks down and is meaningless.
In popular culture it's Leonard Cohen singing, "The blizzard of the world has crossed the threshold and it has overturned the order of the soul." Or Tina Cousins singing, "In a world of illusion, you only see what you feel." Or the American saying, "You have your truth. I have mine, and I listen to Rush Limbaugh." American culture is constitutionally ill-equipped to think about abstract meta issues but, until we do recognize this as a problem, we'll be talking _at_ each other instead of _to_ each other.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts."
Patrick Moynihan
article iv section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constituti...
This is NOT in reference to the republican party, it couldn't have been. The party didn't even exist back then!
No offense but I hope you aren't an American or you are too young to have attended any classes about American History.
You don't have to agree with the principles this country was founded on, but it helps to at least understand what they were.
http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsde...
it was the tone in his message that was concerning. I agree we need to get back to a constitutional government and our law making representatives need to realize they are public servants who swore oaths. I don't think though we need to just yet start wearing masks like a bunch of terrorists and making videos that border on militant messages.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation,
indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all."
[Francis Bellamy, 1892]
Study the symptoms not the virus...
As far as we know, he's just a little bitch-boy that likes to dress up.
First, it's a still...why make a video and put a still of yourself on it? And if you're trying to remain anonymous, why not cover your eyes OR the fruit salad on your uniform while making seditious statements? Combined they potentially could be used to identify you.
I'll bet a dollar to a donut (make that 10 dollars nowadays) the image and the voice have no relation to each other.
This past election season I volunteered to get petition signatures for a candidate for Congress. I live in a very "red" county and most all of the men I approached asked what my candidate's position on gun control was. I had a standard answer for them: "My candidate considers all 10 Amendments to the Bill of Rights sacred. None is more important than another." That concept seemed to please most everyone offering the 2nd Amendment objection.
I wonder what might happen if we on the left extend our hand to those who live and die with their guns by stressing all TEN amendments to the Bill of Rights.
who is rational will respond to your comment and extended hand, but a lot of these militia folk are filled with rage, hate and fear: authoritarians who are afraid of authority.
I sincerely hope the Military & VA institute a program of counseling, and medical treatment; make sure the men discharged from the military have a decent job, or an occupation to help then become useful, and worthy of respect from society in general, not just the fearful haters.
This sick freak has multiple demons fucking with him all hours of the night. Dude, you were a fucking slave to your mass murdering Commander in Chief as you did his dirty work.
That may be true... but I doubt it. Or should I say I'm hopeful that it isn't true. While I met the occasional far Right wack-job in the Army, it wasn't common - or even "somewhat common." I'm hopeful the military hasn't changed that much.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
At this point, I don't think it's worth much effort to get worked up over the "Patriot" movement. If nothing else, one of their number will do something stupid and then they'll disappear, just like after McVeigh.
Frothing at the mouth about them being an imminent threat is very much like the frothing at the mouth the right is currently doing about Obama. It's paranoia and hysteria.
Chill.
Being paranoid does not mean nobody is out to get you.
...and let's not worry about Bird Flu, after all its only killed around 300 people out of billions. Or Global Weather Change, after all its only 2 or 3 degrees. All those weedlets in your yard aren't a problem.
Bird flu and climate change are WAY bigger threats than these clowns.
"...Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The "mistake" (if you can call it that, see below...) was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada. The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question: How could this have happened?"
One that isn't just a post on a wingnut website?
And DO try to stick to the topic at hand.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsar...
I was attempting to underscore YOUR point.
Wing-nut site? Don't think so.
Compare the headline of your first link with the content of your second.
The 1st is just the sort of wacko paranoia I'm criticizing here.
Learn how to fly planes into buildings...
Horrible as it was, it's not like 9/11 destroyed our country. Neither did the OKC bombing.
These people cannot mount a threat on that level.
9/11 didn't destroy our country, huh?!?!?!?
9/11 can be directly linked to all of the Bush policies that came afterward, even if he was planning on using them anyway. He used 9/11 as his reason for EVERYTHING.
And no, nearly 8 years later, our economy is in shambles, our armed forces are contemplating an armed insurrection against their COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, and the public is a fearful mass, huddles in terror lest our nuclear power plants should be blown up.
Yes, 9/11 destroyed our country. Psychologically and emotionally. I'll concede most of the "physically" to you, too, since most infrastructure neglect has been happening for many, many years now.
But our country doesn't look destroyed to me. Not in the greatest shape, I'll grant you, but I've seen worse. And most of the economic damage done by the Bush years can't be tied to 9/11. The tax cuts, for example, came before it.
Our nation is more resilient than you appear willing to give it credit for being.
Did you live through the 60s or the 70s? I did and, perhaps as a result of seeing all that crap, I don't see our current situation as all that dire.
Hell, we even survived the Great Depression and this ain't that.
No, it's not.
It's much, much worse.
I believe my country will pick itself up, absolutely.
However, I am concerned as to what my country will do with itself after that.
I didn't live through the 60s or the 70s, but I will be around long after you are gone, and I ahve a very vested interest in seeing my country go in a positive direction.
However, I can't help my country when I am wasting my time and energy on a concern troll like you.
Who sent you here?
Who sent me here?
Why NO ONE, oh paranoid one. You're making my case about overreacting to these militia types for me.
And if you think this situation is worse than the Great Depression, well, then, there's no talking sense to you either.
Great Depression than I do? I'm a history-phile. How about you?
This depression we're in now is spiraling downward, and will most probably get worse than the Great Depression, if only ebcause the numbers are so astronomically higher, and are based on VERY different things than they were during the Great Depression.
Did I mention I'm really good at finance, too?
And I'm sorry if you're a regular here who's just been overtaken by concern-trollioma, but then you should know for a fact that many conservatives come to make kamikaze attacks here.
As someone else said, Being paranoid doesn't mean it's not justified.
And, yeah, I probably do know more about the economics of the Great Depression than you do.
As something of a keynesian one of the reasons I don't think this current crisis will get as bad as the G.D. is that corrective measures are being applied much more quickly and dramatically this time.
And yeah, I get the kamikaze attacks part too. I get a "Concern Troll" label every time I disagree with the general direction of the comments, which is often, as I don't comment much when I'm agreeing with what's being said.
I generally agree with the Hitchhiker's Guide:
DON'T PANIC!
That's a "dopehead's" book if there ever was. :)
Corruption favors the wealthy.
I was stone-cold sober and giggled like MAD when I read that series...
In any case, I still have to wonder why somebody who hates "dopers" and "wingnut sites" is doing HERE, of all places...
Kind of fell in with the wrong croawd, didn't he?
The 1st 100 pages were brilliant. The rest was meh. Maybe it's because I'd already quit drugs by that point in college.
His writing for Dr Who was better.
turned into the aliens holding the perennial party...that go around pillaging planets in order to restock supplies to keep the party going.
Sounds like Wall Street...doesn't it.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
"Hell, we even survived the Great Depression and this ain't that."
I envy your certitude, at least until the day another depression comes true. Then I'm very likely to become a mite uncivil.
Sounds just like the George Bush pre-9-11 playbook on terrorism.
And the "cure" was worse than the disease in that case too.
...not to properly use internal law enforcement bureaus to monitor potentially dangerous home grown terrorists. Any analogy that includes that once in a lifetime loser to justify inaction just won't wash. And certainly doing nothing isn't the "cure".
These guys are not a threat to this nation. If the likes of Tim McVeigh is the best they could do (and he wasn't even a militia member, IIRC), then getting all worked up their "Revolution" simply is being hysterical.
Tim McViegh wasn't a threat until he was actually a threat, right? These organizations need to be monitored.
:(
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Probable cause...Proper law enforcement would have prevented 9-11.
Tim McVeigh was responsible for the OKC bombing.
... to follow an insult with a legal term of art you're not really sure how to use.
In this context, you might want to try a fuller phrase like: "probable cause based on individualized suspicion." Of course, that shoots to hell the concept of "monitoring" "these organizations" based on their political beliefs.
Aside from Fourth Amendment problems there are a slew of First Amendment issues as well.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
you support the government spying on people who have committed no crime?
Just where does "monitoring" end and "invasion of personal privacy" begin?
When a foreigner gives a fucking flight school instructor 30,000 dollars in cash and only wants to learn how to learn to take off is probable cause.
When people like this freak and that nut Alan Keyes suggest that the President poses like a king and true patriots are obligated fight some imaginary tyranny,
yes...that's probable cause to me.
The level of surveillance you're apparently picturing as necessary in our lives is scary.
you call wrong.
Indeed, I think the original article is something of a concern troll in and of itself.
I'm say we don't need to be so concerned.
and thats all you got...calling names and fumbling for meaning.
If only rightwing lunatics have guns, democracy is doomed. Buy a firearm and learn to use it.
Seriously. The Obama administration and Congress are too busy dealing with the economy and foreign affairs for us to count on them watching these loonies.
Does the little piece of shit even know who Douglas was?
Didn't conservatives use to hate Douglas even more than FDR?
But why does his voice strike me as artificial somehow? I would bet a $5 bottle of locally-made wine that the guy speaking has never seen combat. It's a set up and pure D propaganda, who made the video?
Just your average, warped, hate-filled, psychologically damaged, under-educated American with a hard-on for the military and authoritarianism.
Why, I've never heard of such a thing. Could you imagine a right-wing zealot who would take it upon himself to harm Americans just because he disagrees about social policy or tax policy?
Everybody knows that terrorists are people who hate our freedoms and civil liberties like those radical socialists at the ACLU who want to ruin the American way of life.
Haven't you all been watching Bill O'Reilly?
needs to look up the definition of a republic.But I doult he can read
I like this definition of Republic -A nation of laws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DioQooFIcgE
It is kind of ironic to see a post on here about hatred coming from "the right" when there is the same kind of hatred being displayed in the comments and even in the articles on this site made by people that seem to identify with "the left".
As long as the two sides are fighting with each other there will be no coming together and dealing with the issues that everyone agrees we have. This site is as much to blame for the strong partisanship that exists as any of the "right wing" media outlets.
These guys do love them some 2nd Amendment: it's the other nine that they don't give a damn about.
They'll die rather than give up their constitutional right to the comfort of a heavy piece of Freudian symbolism in their sweaty hand.
Jerico...it was scary. It had to be cancelled because it revealled too much. Those terrorists were our own militia weirdos? They nuked our own in Kansas. They had militias. We need to be alert and prepare. This script has been written. I've seen stuff just as weird, so far: The World Trade Center? War for nothing? Collapse of our economy in just 8 short years. Keep your eyes open.
Yoda
Like the song says "Paranoia strikes deep. Into your mind it will creep."
Jerico was a TV show. Fiction, not reality. Don't confuse the two.
A local wit at YouTube commented (re; the mask):
'Oh great, a revolution led by none other than Skeletor.'
I had to laugh at that one.
Here is another Patriot movement that has nothing to do with Nazi's and much more to do with Martin Luther King and Gandhi.
Marine Johnny Wave
we need to help convince our brothers and sisters on the right that we have a unique opportunity with obama to get this thing right.
obama will listen, but we have to make our voices heard.
american right should team up with american left to knock bankster motherfuckers out of the park.
Obama works for the bankers. Pelosi works for the bankers.
We had 2 years to impeach and imprison the worst war criminals of
this century. They are still free and their operatives (Rove,
Fleischer, etc.) are on TV all the time. I still don't know what
that guy said that was wrong. If you think Congress or Obama are
going to release the stranglehold big business has on our
Democracy....YOU ARE FUCKING HIGH!!!
You'd be amazed at what pressure can do. No one thought Hillary could be defeated either. Giving up is not an option. Enough with the negativity, offer solutions, or get out of the way.
I have a solution. Its called ending the legalized bribery
that is Washington. But how does that happen. Does Congress
pass REAL campaign finance reform? NO. LIke asking the Fox
to go vegetarian in the hen house. Won't happen.
Solution? Lock up some Congressmen and women. Freeze their
assets. Will the justice department do that? NO.
And all they do is talk that tired, failed tax cuts bullshit or dig up Ronald Reagan. Not one "progressive" critic have come up with an answer either. Eventually everyone will tire of hearing the same nonsense from folks who only complain and criticize.
No one in the mainstream media opinion and consent factory
thought Clinton would lose. No one in the opnion and consent
factory thought the economy was gonna tank.
the history of rope-a-dope (please click link)
I am a former Marine and this piss pot is no Marine. He is a coward. Come on coward show your face. He fears what he is a commie coward.
... that's exactly what I was thinking. Not that I'm a former Marine, but why take anyone seriously who does a voice-over in front of a photo of Hannibal Lecter dressed in a US Marine Uniform??
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
BIG *sigh*.
I myself do think the country is too far gone, carried off by the government that only a revolution could fix, I will be in Canada, thank you. This guy is kinda scary, some of the things he says I can agree with. I do like the constitution, just as he does. I listened to this a couple times, it is hard for me to understand what side he is on. I don't think he is the crazy right wing guy that you do, I also don't think he is a liberal type either. He is a new breed I believe. Alex Jones type. I was in a live chat room on Justin.tv for Alex Jones live broadcast, I learned that many are in the hills of Colorado waiting. They are using the internet a different way to communicate, they are setting up dial up connections an old style type internet, there is a name for it but it is escaping me ATM. I really don't want to see a revolution, but I think it is gonna come. I have seen Summer of Hell being used to describe the summer of 2009.
I just want peace and prosperity for all, Bush screwed us so bad.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way to Canada.
And I don't suppose you're one of those people who will be hiding under a rock in December 2012, are you?
Now that wasn't nice, I am not into fighting in a revolution. You guys are mistaken that you could take out the control they have. It won't happen, the senate and congress will be protected the entire time, you guys will be killing each other not the rulers. All government buildings would need destroyed that is including all underground bunkers. Impossible as far as I am concerned. Some points yes I want to fight, but watching the slaughter of the Iraq war, I'd rather not be included. Smoking pot in the mountains of Canada seems like a much more enjoyable time to me, call me crazy.
And your paranoid ravings in response only underscore my point.
Have a nice life in Canada, dopehead.
Unfortunately my IQ is probably double yours.
Mine's 140. Got degrees from MIT and Harvard to back it up, too.
You're just a self-admitted doper. Take off to the True White North now.
I founded Harvard and M.I.T. This was before I coached Einstein on general relativity though long after I sponsored the Isaac Newton chair at Cambridge.
Any other "accomplishments" we should brag about in this anonymous forum?
BTW, it's an interesting story: when I designed the English language and was determining whether to include the "anonymous," I looked into the future and desired a progressive web site where I could learn the opinions of a nonny mouse. Then...
Corruption favors the wealthy.
But I find it difficult to respond to foolish attacks on my intelligence, etc, with anything other than the truth.
And I know my claims don't carry much weight in an anonymous forum, but that's not my fault. I just tell the truth about myself.
Does IQ carry much weight these days? GWB's was 124 and look where that got us.
IQ is not the end all and get all of everything. Let your words prove your intelligence, not numbers.
but then I wasn't the one who brought it up, either.
And who says W's is actually 124?
That little ad that used to be on the right.
And my Dad said Bush's grades were better than John Kerry's. He should know because he went to Yale.
Sources Kai. It's all about the sources.
"Bush's SAT score was 1206 (566 Verbal, 640 Math). See the upper-left
corner of his Yale transcript:
http://www.iuptown.com/YaleProtest/bushs_yale...
This web page offers a theoretical conversion of pre-1974 SAT scores to IQ:
http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/Pre1974SAT.html
Based on that conversion chart, Bush's IQ would be about 129."
Holy shit Kai, he's closing in on you!
You lost whatever credibility I had given you with those BS ad hominem attacks of "dopehead" and "doper."
Especially when you turn around and claim to have spent so much time in academia. You really think none of the professors at Harvard or M.I.T. smoke marijuana? Only someone who never went to college could be that naive.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
I call bullshit, a man of higher intelligence wouldn't spam all these posts with hateful responses. I am betting more like an IQ of 50, and your just a cop or a high school child. "Self admitted doper"--ur a COP, useless attempt BRO.
Doesn't change the fact that I wasn't lying.
And "hateful" LOL... whatever.
BTW, you need to learn the difference between "your" and "you're", genius.
And what else are you but a "self-admitted doper"? I guess you can't fathom how some people find drug users like you to be fools at best.
In an above post, you said, I quote:
"I'm say we don't need to be so concerned."
Aint aint a word is it. You are very familure are you a nazi clone? Childish you are.
yoda
Oi, sorry, but I usually find Kai to be pretty well informed, even when I disagree with him slightly. He might come on too strong and grumpy sometimes.
But, for some reason, after I smoke a big fat one, I'm somehow OK with it, and my grammatical errors.
SO more comments please about how to defeat the right, and less petty stuff, how about that? Can't we just learn to get along?
I am laughing, and just playing with him. I heard that "self admitted doper" before from cops and judges. Legalizing is 1 of the best steps toward fixing our country's internal problems.
Not to mention taxing it. It would take care of the deficit with plenty of money for universal health care, roads and bridges, and social programs
My dad, who I bring up a lot here because he's one of the "typical conservatives" we see frothing at the mouth right now, and I were having a conversation last night.
And I said I was all for legalizing pot, and taxing the crap out of it, for obvious reasons.
He said he wasn't AGAISNT legalization for one simple reason: he doesn't agree with taxes. No new legal pot means no new taxes.
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I think my dad's a...*gasp!*
...a libertarian!
My dad's a German!
I don't smoke but I'm totally with you gents on this one...the problems we'd solve.
Many of us have multiple degrees...we just don't wear them on our foreheads...or have to.
I just pull them out when someone calls me 'stupid' as evidence to the contrary.
And I don't go to bars anymore either. My wife of 20 years would KILL me if I did.
When I entered MIT (at age 16 with a 157 IQ, thank you very much) one of my earliest observations was how many extremely intelligent people didnt seem to have a lick of sense.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
...14 months. Some of the attorneys were from Stanford, Yale, Northwestern, etc. They were good hard workers, but some were shockingly ignorant to most subject matter outside of their profession...Kai, you don't have to brandish credentials when insulted...just info.
I had this party at my house with lots of MIT kids. It's 4 in the AM and this kid asks how to get back to MIT right away, but the cab companies aren't answering.
I say, 'What? How long have you been at MIT?' He says he was there undergrad, but now is halfway to a PhD. Eight years maybe?
I take him up to the second floor window of my house and point to MIT, maybe a bit over a mile. Nothing outside the walls of the ivy tower sunk in I guess.
Attorneys are much worse.
Back in my day, we used to think nothing of walking to Harvard Square and back any time. And it's UPHILL BOTH WAYS.
Ever try crossing the Harvard Bridge in winter?
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. That's when you really count the Smoots.
This is just too funny, I threw down allot of bullshit. I doubt I will go to Canada for more than a visit. I would much rather work on Newstalgia for C&L in California, while growing pot. hahahaa :P
I have a nice group of new PC's with gamer ATI cards great for rendering video. I have no idea my IQ, was just bull, lol.
Need a roommate? LOL!
Yes!
Who in their right mind would turn down an opportunity to leave the u.s. to it's self-created madness.
I'm with you. the gov't is parasitic and few have peace to live their lives. Kai somehow bought the belief his opinion everyone should expose themselves to the collapse and chaos is teenage at best, although my own teenager wasn't quite that ignorant and literal.
IQ indeed.
Go in peace. I'm wishing I had a boat.
This reminds me of a feature in a game called Urban Reign. It was a gang called the "Shadow Platoon" made up of extremely unstable ex-military types.
I just hope it doesn't turn that bad.
Jefferson was correct:
But he was hardly talking about an authoritarian revolution from the Right.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
what yah all worried about ? they can only kill you once!
Too bad Pat Tillman wasn't alive to combat these motherfuckers. He was the real deal Patriot machine fighting man. And here's some of what we are up against.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZHqugy_QBw
We need real Patriots to stand up if we are going to succeed.
As far as neo-nazis go. The Bush Administration had more connection with the Nazis than most Patriot groups do. The real problem in this country is the media and the refusal to deal with the stinking shit that most would rather sweep under the rug. We are all guilty of it. We need to expose the true crimes before we can resurrect our great nation. 9/11. Shouldn't be no taboo around it. Anthrax. Ought to be shouted about by any respectable Journalist. Every respectable Journalist should have covered it by now. ETc. etc. You all know what I"m talking about. We'll get what we deserve as long as we ignore what matters most. Get over your childlike fantasies of what politics is about, and take on the tough issues of disaster capitalism and false flag terrorism. Peace.
now yer talkin!
Thanks.
You sound like one of those 9/11 Truffers.
"false flag terrorism?"
WTF?
you have to admit that 911 is hinky as hell.
No, I don't. 9/11 truffer are on par with other conspiracy wackos like UFO believers.
And I guess you believe the guy in the cave in Afganistan did 911?
This thread is really bringing out the Truffer wackos.
Dear Kai for example...
Even the 9/11 Commission doesn't believe the "official version". Why do you?
You don't think we landed on the moon, either, right?
Kai ain't the real deal. Identified. Bottom Line. Too many examples.
Try that again, in English this time.
And don't go on about "ZOMG the Twin Towers were teh controlled demolitioned! The Pentagon wasn't hit by no airplane!" That craps been debunked more often than Bush's lies about Iraq.
just a disrupter
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
We've been here too long to fall for that.
you apparently have fallen for one of the stupidest conspiracy theories to come down the Pike since, well, since the last stupid conspiracy theory.
What does that make you Kai ?, either unpaid and bored, or paid and immoral.
I find the discussions generally interesting on C&L, but I do find fools, like 9/11 Truffers, annoying.
I guess in this case I fall into the bored category, as I just put my kid to bed and I'm waiting for my wife to get home from choir practice.
And I'm certainly not paid to post here. Wish I was. Such easy money that would be.
80+ percent of American's want a new investigation of 911,You smarter than 80+ percent of American's?
That would be a YES.
After all, 4 years ago the majority voted for W a SECOND TIME.
And where'd you get 80% number, out of your ass, Truffer?
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