The Stupjack Amendment: Because Every Sperm is Sacred
By John Amato Monday Nov 09, 2009 12:00pm
I want to propose a new amendment be added during the conference committee when the House and Senate get together to merge the health-care reform bills. I know the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops will love it, since they are officially members of Congress now. Here it is.
All pro-life male members of Congress who ejaculate without the express intent of making a baby will be considered to have had an abortion. (This will include airport-bathroom encounters.) Under this new rule, the male pro-life members then must fall in line with the same restrictions to health care as women will have to under the Stupak Amendment. Then starting in 2013, all pro-life men in America will be covered under this provision as well.
Remember, sex is for one thing and one thing only. I believe a man has an even greater responsibility than a women does just by the fact that the Congress is made up of mostly men.
Out of the 56 women in the Democratic caucus, only two voted for Stupak. All 17 Republican women voted for it.
What this adds up to is that 97% of the Democrats who voted for the Stupak amendment were male. 90% of the Republicans were male.
I would have to guess that if more than 17% of the congress were women, there would be a little bit less likelihood that women's rights would be so often used as a handy tool to placate neanderthals.
If men want to lead this country in the debate about abortion, then they should show real leadership and take responsibility for their behavior. Are you with me, Bishops? A woman can't just stand around and get pregnant. She needs our seed to be planted in her garden, so why should a woman be held to a higher standard than a man? Is that the democracy and freedom our troops are fighting for?
I'm sure the USCCB will gladly jump on board with this because they are in the sex business and are considered the world's No. 1 experts in that field. They understand better than any living person how a baby is made -- after all, they are Bishops. Imagination is a wonderful thing and can inform and educate people who have never experienced sex. Wow, who knew?
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At first I started laughing then I really thought about it---sperm being wasted in a "number" of ways is a type of abortion. Also, since we are adding a new amendment it should state that drugs like Viagra are NOT covered by insurance.
this legislation should be called--Men's Healthcare Reform Plan since it leaves out significant women's health coverage... (and btw is anti-family for those who aren't on the catholic/christianist/western taliban gravy train)
A good sarcastic retort here: http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/2009/11/07/ho...
Question? Why don't Catholic Bishops understand the need for legal abortion?
It is one thing to object to the Stupak amendment provisions, and to the influence of the US Catholic Bishops' Conference on legislation as it relates to abortion restrictions in the health care bill.
But even the most ardent pro-choice advocates are not so stupid as to say that "sperm being wasted in a 'number' of ways is a type of abortion"! Abortion is the termination of a fertilized egg implanted in the uterus that will grow to term and be born a human being. Don't be so ignorant and cavalier!
for your "concern",
Miss "only been a member for less than 20 minutes".
isn't it likely Miss "new member" has been paid to post such drivel? Whoever is paying her certainly isn't getting their money's worth: 'ignorant and cavalier'?!
Durn... you'd think she could come up with stronger epithets...
Virtually every comment it makes gets deleted.
You insist on the theology of the Catholic Church being confused with reality. A sperm is a possible human being, given a set of future circumstances. Once the sperm unites with the egg, then the fertilized egg has moved to the wall of the uterus, which takes a few days, then you have a much more probable evolution into a human being -- if the woman doesn't have a miscarriage, isn't involved in a traumatic accident, or the genes of the possible future human aren't damaged in some way that makes a pregnancy to term unlikely, or even undesirable. The Catholic Church insists not only that no "artificial birth control" can be used without committing a mortal sin, and that the fertilized egg be regarded as a human being immediately because "it has a soul." Fine, that's a Catholic's belief. It is not mine. And the Church has no right to impose its theological view on a country. This is not Catholic Ireland or Franco's Spain -- which were hell-holes, by the way.
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It's obvious to most everybody here that sarcasm & humour is lost on you. Rolled out the wrong side of the bed this morning did we?
Take a pill...
"not so stupid"??? Obviously you haven't a clue about sarcasm or humor. Poor you
"even the most ardent pro-choice advocates are not so stupid as to say that "sperm being wasted in a 'number' of ways is a type of abortion"!"
But the reality is that it is the most ardent anti-choice advocates that are so stupid as to say that - and they do.
I guess you're not up on current events in the war against ALL birth control - including ejaculations that do not ocurr as a result of heterosexual intercourse.
So, you missed the anti-choice pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control pill perscriptions because they prevent conception and are therefore abortificants.
And you aren't up on Catholic doctrine enough to know that male masturbation is a sin because it's wasting perfectly good sperm that should be used only to make good little Catholic babies. And there is a Bible verse about it being a sin to cast sperm upon the ground, (masterbate).
And they're busy trying to legislate their wackiness into law, so, don't get mad at us for pointing out what the latest far-right lunacy is.
Personally, I agree with you that wasted sperm should not be refered to as an abortion - but that's what the anti-choice fringers have been pushing for awhile now.
Kind of shocking that they're really pushing this, isn't it? But they are.
Next- Amendment to add to final bill—extra insurance for males. Every male in this country must have “Paternal Insurance". Law will regulate a man’s seed. This coverage must begin at age 14. He must be able to pay for pre-natal care for the mother. If he decides, he does not want to nurture that child; he must continue to keep that child covered till age 24. This includes medical care, education, food, shelter, and swimming lessons. The coverage will pay for DNA testing to be sure we got the right seed.
Both married and unmarried must maintain the coverage. The Catholic Church, who received 100 million in August, and pro-life groups, must have in reserve at all times, funds to subsidize low-income males. Fines and jail time for groups responsible for subsidizing, and fathers who do not carry this coverage, must also be in this legislation. The bill will regulate the payment for Erectile Dysfunction drugs, and of course, payment is prohibited.
I have reconsidered the age 24 limit. Maintaining coverage of the policy for life is mandatory, since seeds never give up.
The bill must also provide money for research into the development of male birth control drugs. Men must be able to have the same right to jeopardize their health trying to prevent pregnancy as women. And of course, coverage for the drugs is the sole responsibility of the male.
Like it pro-life boys!
...........tho most people will laugh, I think your amendment is logical, rational, reasonable, and am with you 100% I'd love to see the show if it were even to be proposed and exposed to the light. Where's our lil' pal, Ricky, the pastor of 'every sperm is sacred'??? He'll be along, he's ranting on another thread, at the moment.
Won't work. Technically a sperm cell is not a fertilzed ovum, which is the line the perverts draw. That allows them to spooge all over the place without consequence (God never sees them jacking off).
Don't you get it? It has nothing to do with logic, or science, or reality. ALL of their positions are correct and every human should be held to the perverts' beliefs, because they know the truth about life, and the rest of us are lowly creatures who cannot live our lives without the devine guidance of GOD. The catholic church (and its subsects) know what is best for us.
It must be true because God has blessed them with a shitload of money.
potential baby by that logic. All or nothing, I say. Goose and gander time. If men do not want to buy insurance to cover unwanted children, or whatever you wish to call them, then they can be snipped.
We are happy to give you girls a couple of months off to nurse the newborn. But anything more and you might get that post partum depression stuff and start drowining the little babies in the bathtub.
I discovered not that long ago that I went to high school with that woman that drowned those kids. And a friend of mine works at the hospital for the criminally insane where she now resides. Small world.
I live in the neighborhood where that poor woman drowned her children. I used to power walk with someone who worked in the clinic where she was receiving intervention after the third baby was born. Key staff at that clinic found Rusty controlling and completely clueless about Andrea's mental and emotional deterioration. He was inflexibly determined to 'have as many children as God saw fit to give' them.
it was Rocky that purposely drove he insane. And of course he gets away with it, like all good Xian straight Repub white males.
hmmm... Rusty has remarried and has a son now, born in March of last year.
He strikes me as a typical conservative christian with patriarchal power and control issues common to such men.
All women that miscarry shall be put in prison for killing a child.
But wouldn't "snipping" be the same as "killing millions of babies." And what would we call doctors who "snip"?
My brother became a Catholic when he married and later in his life got snipped.
;-)
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Good one!
...outraged at the fact that elected officials feel it necessary to get religious leaders' blessings on legislations, but...
IT REALLY, REALLY PISSES ME OFF!!!
Where the fuck do these ass hats get off doing this bullshit? Did they ask any rabbi's or mullah's for their input. Fuck the catholics and their pissant superstitions.
OK. I'm better now.
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They are sexual perverts who defend sexual perversions.
I've been seemingly all alone here in Internetland on this issue for what seems like ages. Thank you, Mr. Amato.
...video before I posted. Very nice. They just don't make musicals like they used to.
No problem, DD21 - I'm outraged too. I screamed at the TV several times this weekend - I am so sick of old, repressed white guys who really think their religious beliefs allow them to control women's bodies. I'll bet $100 that a woman in the familtes of every one of the 240 reps who voted for this atrocity has had an abortion - they may or may not know about it, but abortion happens in every family. Heck, I'll bet more than a few of the women and a good 25% of the men have personal experience. They'll never admit it, of course, or say that they have grown up and wouldn't every do that again. But they are lying.
I escorted at a clinic for years - and I've never had an honest conversation about abortion when they other person did say, 'yes, (me, my sister, friend, cousin, aunt, girlfriend) had an abortion.'
If their God is so great and powerful, he can just send souls back again to other mothers. Right?
Powkat: I think I misunderstood where you were going with your statement. You meant that people DID admit to knowing or being related to someone who had an abortion, didn't you. Sorry I misread it.
Yep - everybody knows somebody who has had an abortion.
Give me a valid Fedex acct number and address and I'll send you some...
on Youtube when you really need it...
have fewer children than 1/5 of the number of times they have ever had sexual intercourse, then they are in violation of this new ammendment of John's. This figure takes into account the natural miscarriages caused by God, the biggest, most baby-killingest abortionist ever. I guess if the unhinged right finally internalizes God's nefarious plot, they will shoot up even more churches, so maybe we really oughtn't to push the meme.
abortion would suddenly become a holy sacrament.
BTW: "Imagination is a wonderful thing and can inform and educate people who have never experienced sex."..
Don't they get credit for all the sex they get with underage acolytes and choir boys? That should count as some kind of experience, aside from being one of their (in their eyes) principal job perks....
this will legally do away with the male gay thing too (unless they ABSOLUTELY promise not to have sex, ever).....and I supposed the lesbian thing can still be tolerated to appease all you homophobic straight boys out there.
Win win for all!
/snark off.
for all females from birth and a return to the days of women being thought of as chattle without benefit of rights, opinions or the ability to own property.
And since women will now go back to being wholely dependent on men, then that should free up lots of second and third jobs available for men to support their progeny and never seeing those children.
Women will go back to playing tennis and being pretty. Thanks Catholic Church!
Can we go back to debtors' prisons, and overturning that pesky Emacipation Proclamation too? As well as outlawing divorce (for women only, of course), death penality for male homosexuals, and getting rid of that women allow to vote thingy too.
there's nothing like a good ole witch burning.
A. She turned you into a newt (it doesn't matter if you got better.)
or
B. She weighs the same as a duck.
That brings to mind another Monty Python vignette...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sglyFwTjfDU&fe...
don't let her turn you into a Newt. He's the one that screwed congress up so bad.
yeah?
and while we're at it, we can outlaw mixed race marriages, and start building those "restricted" neighborhoods as well.
How did you get an advanced copy of the 2012 Republican Party Platform?
Oh yeah, it's the same as the 1860 Republican Party Platform - as well as every platform in between.
Republicans - building a bridge to the 12th century - on the backs of women and minorities.
I mean without the income of the wife I'm sure every family will enjoy there new grass hut.
Just because the womans can't work doesn't mean the free trade market has to lower there prices or anything.
Hey, it worked on Gilligan's Island fairly well. At least until the radio announcer forecast yet another typhoon.
that they had a radio, and could build huts, but were not savvy enough to patch the hole in the boat. WTF!
;o}
that none of those goofs got with Ginger or Mary Ann.
;)
Seven years on an island and nobody got knocked-up?
safe sex.
made from cocoanuts?
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on thread here. Bob Denver should have begged on street corners after Dobie Gillis. Just like
Don Knotts ruined the greatest television career of a male comedian by going to make feature films.
I liked "The Ghost and Mr Chicken" and "Pleasantville". Of course, that's only 2 out a long film career.
The guys were all doing the Professor.
G and MA were doing each other with Mrs H as dominatrix.
And there wasn't enough supplies left after the huts, car, dentist chair, endless rafts, and spelling SOS in giant flaming logs to build a boat.
it was an island. The lingering effects of nuclear
testing made them all sterile. It was the French bomb that did it, by the way.
As many wise people have said the only reason abortion is such an issue is because men can't get pregnant. Make Masturbation a crime and see how fast woman and men have full free reproduction rights.
As a male I’m sure I can stop myself for the full week it takes them to pass full reproductive rights.
Masturbation is a sin.
But they don't care.
their cassocks had arm holes...
This is a great idea! And -- a job creator, too! We will need monitors to watch each sex act, to ensure that birth control isn't being used.
A win-win situation.
I thought that was what the internet was for.
;)
Spermometers for all! Keep track of your sperm - be accountable.
...anal about keeping track, but I lost count around the 7.6 trillion mark...and then when I turned 18, well it was just impossible to keep track.
left over from '08. Surely they can be converted. (No pun intended)
isn't what it used to be. Gets harder and harder to keep count.
"If men want to lead this country in the debate about abortion, then they should show real leadership and take responsibility for their behavior."
I wholeheartedly agree. Being a woman IS considered HUMAN, isn't it? Not to these guys I guess.
Then we should just go ahead and ban lingerie catalogs and cheerleaders... enough seed has been spilled over Victoria's Secret catalogs and Baywatch to replant the Saharah desert.
so when will the IRS send the Catholic Church their tax bill?
and are my tax dollars going to pay for Viagra?
Tax the Church?
COMMUNIST!!
Robert G. Ingersoll As people become more intelligent they care less for preachers and more for teachers...
I made a choice after my daughter was born, that I didn't want her growing up in a religion where she was treated as less than the males in the same congregation or told what her role in the world should be. When she is older, If she chooses to worship in any religion that tries to tell her to be subservient, she knows I will still love her, but will not approve.
Being Pro-Choice means lots of different things.
seems to be fairly quiet when it comes to protesting wars and the billions we waste on them...
Probably the whole anti-abortion stance by the Catholic church has little to do with the "sanctitiy" of life, as it seems it is nothing but an attempt by these catholic perverts of keeping our hands off their stash of future victims to prey on.
talking about Bush I, "It's all in the timing."
No hat-tip to Jesus' General who has been fighting for American Spermazotia rights for years?
... but doesn't the bible say somewhere that it is a sin to 'spill your seeds'?
Should there not be an amendment to ban anything that may result from this, like blistered palm of your favored hand?
so it don't get spilled.
but I don't remember Lennon singing "I got blisters on my palm."
Catholics are always taught it is hair.
it may take more than one tissue.
hand is pampered and underworked.
Friction would seem to decrease the prevalence of hair follicles not grow them.
I'm a pro-life Democrat, also a Catholic, so I'm very happy about this result. Bitching about the Catholic Church, big deal. Look, this is a political process, and the pro-abortion politicians, who you voted for caved in -- tough luck. I tell my pro-life friends the same thing when we lose a vote - tough luck. It's called politics, and you could not keep you own abortion "friends" in line because you have no clout with them. Better luck in the Senate, but don't blame the Catholic Church, old white men, Sarah Palin, or anything else other than the fact that the representatives that you voted for could not stand up to the pressure. It's a great victory for the pro-life side, and we'll try to do it again in the next round, and if we fail -- tough luck! That's politics for you.
means you just support the republican meme. No one is "pro-death" or "pro-abortion". So be honest and say that you are for shoving your religious beliefs down other peoples throats, and do not support freedom of CHOICE.
If you're going to be stupid...at least be honest about it.
"Pro-life Democrat" means the same thing as "Joe Lieberman (D)".
and have opened your home to many in need. Right?
[Sound of crickets]
That is usually the response I get for the question.
Anecdote: I asked the same question of an anti-abortion fanatic once, and only got a vacant stare in return.
Anyway, no,
1.)Just because the Republican party is self described "pro-life" does not mean I buy into any meme on their part. It should be obvious to any thinking Christian at this point that the Republicans use of Christianity is solely based on getting votes. I have never like how the name of Jesus is being used by the Republicans, and never will.
2.) Yes, my religion does influence how I vote and what policies I want to see enacted. As does your own outlook on life. Why should I lie about something that is so obvious? I know people here hate that aspect of things, but so be it.
3.) I can say anything about what I do or don't do in regards to the poor, etc., but this is the internet, so I avoid doing that because I could say anything and who knows if it is true or not.
That religion is being used in politics...and should never be, including your religion influencing your vote. It should not even play a part. Against abortion? Then don't have one, or figure out a way there would be no need for one. Don't tell people what they can or can't do strictly by whatever religious dogma you may subscribe to.
By doing that, you might as well be a Repub.
But no one is pro-abortion as any are "anti-life". And by your using those terms you fall right under the right-wing spell.
Politics is about the common good and what is best for society, and to do that, a person has to come to some basic core conclusions about life, what is good, and what is good law. To be able to do that, any person can and should call upon their personal social and religious philosophy. I do not see how a person can leave their religion behind if they want to make a good decision. You can bring whatever you want to the table to make an informed political decision, and if you choose to leave out religion, fine, that is your right. As is the right that I have to use religion to make what I feel is the best choice in candidates or laws.
I want you to go live for a while under a theocracy. And then tell us how you like it. I notice you never clearly answer to any of the other comments, just to the ones about religion. Total sign of addiction to it. One can always leave their religious beliefs aside. It's not born into you. You just merely refuse to and don't seem to care that other people don't believe the same way you do, and don't wish to be under your god's thumb.
Oh yes, you say "Politics is about the common good and what is best for society," well, religion is NOT.
You assume that all people have a "religious philosophy?" Don't.
I do not assume that everyone have a religious philosophy because it's obvious that they don't. I do not want to live under a theocracy, I want to live in America, where it is a democracy, and everyone can have their say about how things are run. As to whether someone can leave their religious beliefs aside, well, that begs the question why? I do not tell anyone that they have to "get religion" to make an informed choice, and I do not let anyone tell me I have to lose my religion to make a choice. That's the thing about the public arena, we all bring what we have to the process, and then we try to find a way to come to an agreement to make things work. Jeesh, of course not everyone thinks like me, and thank goodness for that! I just trying to live my own life the best I can, and it is allowable to disagree with how I see things also. :)
to disallow people rights, such as marriage, just because your god says these people are bad. Religion is used to justify the most henious and unjustful things all the time. It's also used to control and cower people. By itself as a private and person thing, it is relatively harmless, butg using it in the voting both is definiitely a dangerous thing. Yet you cling to it like the security blanket you just can't live without. That's the problem that you will NEVER see.
...............IS now, at this very moment, a THEOCRACY!, honey. Proof positive you are a troll with no valid points at all! Go to the HELL YOUR 'CHURCH' invented.
don't care to hear pseudo philosophical babble. if you don't want an abortion or contraceptives, don't partake in sex or avail yourself to remedies. don't inflict your 'beliefs' on others when we know they translate into mandates. (btw did you register a year ago just in case you could post your first comments when your favorite issue came up?)
and run this country. Allowing one's self to be distracted by what I think of as lesser issues is what has allowed the take-over of the government. If you think that is not accurate, just think about the involvement of corporations in your life, from food to media, to health insurance, to drug companies, to corporate mercenaries fighting wars, etc. It is one thing to believe in God, but it's totally irresponsible to go obliviously on and on believing that God will take care of everything. (Apologies to Calvin Trillin.)
at the great church of Wal-Mart then?
Savings at low, low costs!
;)
Your credits will be applied to your time in purgatory.
don't have to wait at "the Gates of Hell" for too long.
...........anti-choice 'beliefs' on other people!!! It is NOT YOUR RIGHT!!!! Go to Politico, or where ever the wingnutters are meeting today.
you may have gone a bit over the top there.
..............of hearing pro-life, when they abandon life as soon as it is born, abuse it ever afterward, etc., use it for cannon-fodder, strip it of humanity, I guess I feel like I have the right to go way over the top on these retards, but...........that's why I'm PROGRESSIVE and not dimocratic.
Miss "hit and run troll"....you've been outed for the troll you are.
That yes, I have been following C&L for much more than a year, and I have to agree that you are right, it does make me look like a major troll, having this topic be my first post, for which I'm sorry. But I like and enjoy this site, and I agree with most, but not all of the politics here.
You need to check the threading. You've seen very polite, as I hope I have been to a degree. The troll is the unaptly named, BeReasonable....that getting all its comments deleted.
Miss troll?
That's who it is.
But the decision to terminate a pregnancy should be left to the woman involved, her personal circumstances (physical, mental, economical, etc.) her partner, her doctor and her God.
You want the Government out of Health care because you think the government might come between you and your doctor? All women should have that right as well for this most personal of all personal issues.
tax dollars go to fight illegal wars. Or fund "faith-based" initiatives.
You might want to suck it up there.
You are either plain and utterly ignorant, or a troll...I'm guessing both.
Goodbye.
the PUBLIC health?
You're getting deleted and being "called names" as you put it, because you are being deliberately ignorant and trolling.
Don't like abortion? Don't have one. But your effing tax dollars go for things you like and don't like. You act like women go around having abortion willy nilly on demand. It's not like that. It's a justified medical procedure within a given time period and health of the mother. Not something to be decided by religious dogma.
Yes actions taken by our "Democratically elected" Representative(s) presumably interject "The will of The People" as their constituents... In this Democratic republic.
"faith-based initiatives" have no rightful place in our secular government. per. The "Establishment Clause of the First Amendment." as in "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".
I'll leave it at that.
Amended: Obviously it has been tainted in the past, accordingly. Not to mention the "$50 million dollars for teaching abstinence only sex education classes in schools. :-/ OK, OK, so I mentioned it. ;)
my tax dollars go to pay for issuing of marriage licenses....Marrying men to....WOMEN! That's unnatural, so I refuse to pay for it anymore.
I doubt that will make a point with this yoohoo either.
"Unable to do away with love, the Church found a way to decontaminate it by creating marriage."
Charles Baudelaire (1821-1867),
I like this web/blog site and read it daily. I'm just now posting for the first time. Because I've challenged the majority view, am I being punished?
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you are trolling.
consist of being able to read them...
Also, some advice: don't mess with the site monitors...
:-)
believe me, after having my civil rights voted on and taken away by religious people, but getting into a screamfest never helps. Especially with polite seemingly serene ones that will not ever let go of that religious security blanket for a second. Wish physical harm upon them is not really wise, nor condusive to any discussion. It's also like throwing rocks at a brick wall, although sometimes you might make a small dent.
I'm going to remember that the next time some right wing fake religious hypocrite skank is looking up at me while making me happy.
At least not if you insurance shares a pool with the public option . . .
Also, parents and grandparents are responsible for their children' spermish obligations.
I know in Oklahoma, men will need to register every sperm they murder into a government database. Or something like that.
.... have made me a "born again" atheist. I tried to be a tolerant agnostic, but their constant meddling in gay and women's rights are just too fucking much!
Here's the deal. Lets accept all your fundy christian beliefs, for the sake of argument. God will judge and God will punish accordingly, correct? An eternity in hell, so they say, is not punishment enough for you? You feel the need to get all in their reproductive and sex lives to do god's work?
I don't get it.
Here comes Bishop Creosote!!!
I lived in his district for the first 20 something years of my life. I still live in Michigan and had to use a relative's zip code to email him. Basically, I relayed that I was embarrassed that he was a Democrat and from Michigan.
I can't shake the feeling that this was a well-orchestrated stunt by the Dems, who have learned that God/gays/guns is your way to get anything (this time it's God, via abortion).
The first clue was Stupak's reaction on the tube, about midnight. He said that it was "more" than he expected. What the hell is that supposed to mean?
It's a huge distraction to take our minds off of a weakened health reform bill with a weakened public option. Hell, get rid of the abortion amendment in the Senate, and we might even be amenable to a trigger. Brilliant, politically...but the electorate is not that stupid anymore.
Some things just don't add up, and this amendment is one of them.
As is the time frame. AFTER the next Presidential election. Clearly some in power, if not most, think we're stupid. Never, ever underestimate the enemy. My military uncles taught me that when I was a little girl. I've found it to be a very good rule to live by.
Well, the time frame doesn't bother me as much. There are many restrictions (in the House bill) that will go into effect as soon as the President signs the bill (providing they're still there), such as rescission, pre-existing conditions, caps on out-of-pocket expenses, etc.
But you have to admit: This abortion of an amendment caught just about everybody off-guard. And a Dem sponsored it, no less!
There was a fix here, all right, and I'm just trying to decide if it is related to the Senate's/Obama's preference for a trigger down the road.
EDIT: According to HuffPo, Obama has come out with a rebuke to the abortion amendment. That's good. I hope I'm wrong about my feelings, and can just chalk this up to more Christian-imposed abuse.
In many health insurance drug reimbursement policies, birth control pills are NOT covered while Viagra is. That's it in a nutshell.
spurm is scared
... Will Sonia Maria Sotomayor be an anomaly for woman's rights?
be impanelled by women. The men on the court through the years have made some horrendous decisions. Time to give the women a chance.
... and on this issue. Though reGODless of gender you must consider the actions of the (R) women on this issue. IMO
I feel this issue... is notably supported by a specific ideology that's not difficult to predict. What John has highlighted with this thread is what I believe is an expansive problem we face as a people, the world over. Some welcome it, some overlook it, some dismiss it and some object to it. I'm a male and I'm of the later opinion. I believe religion is a bane too a civilized culture, though many will understandably disagree. :-/
Thank you for your time.
"What this adds up to is that 97% of the Democrats who voted for the Stupak amendment were male."
Talk about a Trojan Horse :P
never heard such a compelling argument in my life. bravo.
does anyone know if the policies federal employees get to choose from include abortion coverage? what about VA healthcare?
It's just about using poor peoples rights as a bargaining chip of the RICH, Rep or Dem.
let's see, they lobied against gays in Maine to influence the election....
They loobied health care reform to punish women and influence legislation.
Seems like they are a political operation which pay taxes.
tax all churches
I sure hope this sham of a health reform bill does not pass . Better scrap the whole thing and try again down the road , as far as real health care reform and a public option the Dems failed ,now they are putting lip stick on the pig trying to sell it too us so they can claim success . It's not about the people now it's about Obama and the Dems being able to say they passed health care "reform " .
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