
While our backs are turned as we are engrossed with the health-care debate, there is a Supreme Court case looming on the horizon that could upend our entire political system. The Roberts court must be salivating to get the chance to help their right wing Big Corp base as they wait to render their decision on the Citizens United case which will for all purposes allow BigCorp. to dump as much money as they can into any election they want.
The most excellent Dahlia Lithwick writes:
Citizens United released the film in six theaters and on DVD, actions not subject to federal regulation. But when they sought to distribute the film by paying $1.2 million to sell it through a video-on-demand service, the Federal Election Commission contended that the film was no different from the kind of "electioneering communication" regulated under the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law. That was the 2002 statute that tried to limit the influence of big money on elections. If subject to the constraints of McCain-Feingold, the film could not be financed by corporate treasuries or broadcast within 30 days of a primary or 60 days of a general election. The federal court of appeals agreed with the FEC, finding that the movie could be interpreted as nothing but an effort to "inform the electorate that Senator Clinton is unfit for office." Citizens United appealed.
In Bush v Gore, the United States Supreme Court, in an unprecedented ruling that proclaimed it should not be used as precedent, decided the 2000 presidential election by a 5-4 decision. Bush v Gore stands as one of the most legally dishonest and the most politically partisan opinion ever issued by the Court.
That is, until the Court hands down its decision in Citizens United v Federal Election Commission, involving a ruling by the FEC that barred a rightwing hit group, partially financed by a corporation, from running a hatchet-job film about Hillary Clinton in the days prior to an election in violation of the McCain-Feingold law.
By another 5-4 decision the Supreme Court will effectively turn the United States government over to corporations, i.e., back to the Republican Party, this time for keeps. The major corporations -- total profits of more than $600 billion per year for the top Fortune 100 -- will be permitted to advertise without limitation in Congressional, Senate and Presidential elections.
{}
Moreover, corporations often have foreign shareholders. Although barred as individuals from participating either through financial contribution or voting, foreigners will now be able to use the corporate fiction of a 'legal person' to influence profoundly the outcome of US elections.
The Supreme Court will soon allow corporate profits to be spent without limits to "preserve, protect and defend" not the Constitution, but those profits.
Swiftboats will be the fastest growing industry in the United States.
..read on
Sen. Dick Durbin is saying that if the Supreme Court rules in favor of Citizens United, that prove the catalyst for creating new campaign-finance legislation:
As a Supreme Court decision that could weaken campaign finance laws looms, Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said that a ruling giving an upper hand to corporations and labor unions could be the catalyst needed to pass election-reform legislation.
He and Rep. John Larson, D-Conn., spoke at a Center for American Progress event on Friday to promote their legislation, the Fair Elections Now Act, and discuss the impact of the pending decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. That decision could open the door for unrestricted spending on campaign advertising. "It takes a major scandal to create a major reform," Durbin said. "I don't know that we've reached the level in the Senate or in the nation where people are going to demand this of us.... But if they think that the Supreme Court has tipped the scales so dramatically that they don't have a fighting chance any more, they may be open to this.
Do we really want that to happen? No, the Court must not rule in favor of the wingnut film makers. Something will have to be done, because a single corporation could bully any member of the House or Senate to vote for their profitable benefit or they will unleash their pocketbooks against them and that is a nightmare scenario.
Paul Abrams suggests that we write letters to Justice Kennedy and Alito, which is a worthy endeavor if you wish to partake. The letter is below the fold.
Re: Citizens United v FEC
Dear Justice Kennedy (or Alito):
I write out of deep concern for the future of our democracy. I understand that you are about to decide Citizens United v FEC to free corporations from the restrictions of the McCain-Feingold Campaign finance law on the basis of a finding that corporations are 'legal persons' and thus entitled to First Amendment protections just like natural persons.
To do so you will ignore the principal of stare decisis, as well as the original intent of both the First Amendment and the purpose of creating a corporation. Have the restrictions on corporations been so obnoxious that they warrant those departures?
There is nothing in the Constitution suggesting that 'unnatural' persons are entitled to such First Amendment protections. It is perfectly plausible and Constitutional to create an 'unnatural' person for certain limited purposes, such as commerce, without providing that 'unnatural' person all the rights and privileges of a natural person.
The original intent of the corporate structure, and the creation of the "legal person", was purely for commercial purposes. The original intent of the First Amendment was to provide citizens protection against government prohibitions of speech, worship and assembly.
Your colleague, Justice Scalia, proclaims his fidelity to the original intent of the drafters. Yet, he seems to be prepared to override original intent both of the corporate entity and the First Amendment.
A corporation is not 'merely' an association of persons. It is a commercial entity, with fealty to its shareholders who may be all over the world. It pursues the interests of those shareholders, not of our communities. Time and time again, when the choice is between country or community vs the corporation, corporations choose their own self-interest.
President Eisenhower warned us about the power of the military-industrial complex. President Roosevelt spoke of economic royalists that had brought the country to near-ruin. President Kennedy told the nation about a tiny handful of steel executives acting with utter contempt for the interests of the country.
The political economist John Kenneth Galbraith described one of government's roles to be a 'countervailing power' to big corporations to protect individual citizens. If those corporations can nonetheless buy the government, there will not be much 'countervailing' occurring. The disastrous Bush Administration unilaterally surrendered to corporations and the result was devastating the hopes, dreams and savings of at least one generation of Americans and perhaps two.
So, please, Mr Justice Kennedy, do not think of corporations abstractly as 'mere' collections of people, because they are not abstractions. They are very real, very powerful, and have already used their political and economic power to overwhelm the voices and interests of the American people.
That was not the original intent of establishing the legal structure of a corporation. It was not the original intent of the First Amendment to protect 'unnatural persons'.
Regulating corporations' political speech does no violence to the Constitution. De-regulating it does.
Moreover, once de-regulated, the power corporations wield will prevent any subsequent 'correction'. Once done, it is forever; forever is a long, long time.
Please, therefore, give a sober second-thought to what you seemed poised to do. That is, after all, what a Supreme Court Justice is supposed to do.
Thank you.



Organized liberals and progressives can bully a corporation with massive consumer boycotts.
Here, see an example
Pressure the campaign contributors to conservatives in congress to get us a strong single payer public option.
Tell congress you demand a strong singlepayer public option http://publicoption.democratz.org
Do we really want that to happen? No, the Court must not rule in favor of the wingnut film makers.
Wrong. If they can rule that right wing horseshit is partisan hackery, then they can rule that progressive films are left wing hackery.
This, like the ACLU defending the KKK, is basic. You don't have to agree with them, but they do have the right to spew their noisome nonsense.
If this film is ruled political, then you can kiss Michael Moore, Naomi Klein, and all the others who make progressive films goodbye, because there is always some election going on, and thus, their films will always be seen as political.
So, this is one case where the lunatic fringe wins mean we all win. Because we can all make films. A video camera, a Mac laptop and iMovie and you're done.
That's the future, bubbles.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
Just because someone you don't agree with has the right to say what they want, as loud as they want, is no reason to take away someone's right to free speech. There needs to be some serious election reform in this country. Something that stops our elected officials from spending the bulk of their time looking for donations, but not something that curtails free speech.
John, you're acting like people need to be protected from hearing things that you don't agree with. That makes no sense.
The short period of time that you've been here.
1st. You're projecting .
2nd You haven't been here long enough to know how some of these people feel about these issues. And other issues.
3, I have to say, that name you've chosen.... needs a little work.
4, Welcome to C&L.
Care to try again?
I'm actually interested in your opinions.
I somewhat agree with your comment above. Until the part that questions John. Really. That wasn't a very good start.
When you get ready to try again. Just stop by. We'll take it from there. ps, could ya work on that name a little?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Turdinator?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
There's always some election going on, but is the candidate the subject of the film, and can truthfulness be used as a defense? And once the corporate floodgates are opened people like Michael Moore could be washed away by the torrent.
One can hope people avoiding the film, so there's a loss of box office dollars, or rentals is the result, that would take care of the matter, but we've seen papers like the Washington Times and some faux networks features functioning for years at a loss.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I suppose you endorse the idea of shutting down debate from individuals and (yes) corporations with which you disagree? I am a true blue liberal, but one that does not want to watch the left become as exclusively dreadful as the right has become.
Let me be clear, just because someone you disagree with finds a clever way to get his or her message out, is not grounds for finding a way to squash their rights to have their voice heard. Step up your game, and always be intellectually honest. So long as you are correct, you should find a prominent seat at the table.
I've been watching this blog for the past several years, and I'm only now deciding to post comments, because somebody out here needs to question this place. The hyperbole has gone too far.
That we all fall in line like good little liberals.
If you've been viewing comments here for years like you say. Then you've witnessed the disagreements here amongst ourselves.
I had a feelin you were familiar with this cyber place.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
C&L is the left's most hyperbolic website. I can appreciate honest debate. I happen to appreciate that this site is willing to challenge even a democratic administration. This post has some serious flaws in it though. This site has a growing number of poorly conceived, poorly executed posts, asking us to connect a series of inexplicable dots, in order to fully see the evil-right-wing danger that lurks just beneath the surface. It's banal, and coarse.
This is a blog. Made by people. Not a newspaper. Or a professional publication. I happen to like this place.
I like that it's made up of the people and by the people.
I'm going to discontinue this conversation now.
I like this place. I like the people here.
I think you can figure out the rest.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I think you've done pretty damn good.
For a guy who started with a small blog. You've built something to be proud of.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
"It's banal, and coarse."
Not at all like the handle you chose to call yourself.
Irony, thy name is 'Poopitrator,' for now, anyway.
me-oww!
And condemns him for exercising that very right.
Just because he doesn't like what is being said.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
poopitrator is corny.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I don't want to know what he's been eating...
me-oww!
he questioned Johns right to free speech. Just called out that Johns free speech is calling for limiting others free speech.
This has nothing to do with free speech. It is about power and privalege.
It is about silencing free speech for 99% of us, buy drowning out our message with huge $$$$$$$$ from a handful of corporate interests.
Furthermore, it places corporate personhood - which should be revoked, above citizen personhood, which is absurd!
Allowing a handful of billionaire corporations to outspend anyone else 100 to 1, or 100,000 to one, is a recipe for disaster if you are looking for a democracy to function properly. Has not the corruption with lobbyists proven that we the people have no chance when pitted against money interests?
Look at how the rightwing uses their monopoly of the MSM to get people to believe things that are 180 degrees from reality? The "liberal media" lie they have sold is a classic example.
Furthermore, when a handful of psychopath's like Rupert Murdoch can pool their unlimited resources and create a lie machine that works 24/7 and doesn't need to think twice about spending a billion dollars to push their lies, how in the hell are the other 99% of us going to have a chance?
As far as this site being banal, anyone who would say that is banal! It requires one to buy into the idea that corporate fascism does not exist in america today, and that 95% of the people are not being screwed royally today by corporate money = power! Anyone who would suggest that is a fool!
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Do you really think that a corporation's right to be heard is ever going to be squashed? When it comes to the almighty profit driven apparatus in this country, nothing gets in its way. What worries me far more is the rights of ordinary citizens getting squashed by large corporations with limitless resources.
Additionally Naomi Klein is a reporter, not some faceless corporate entity, and Michael Moore has so far attacked institutions and tragic events like 9-11, not necessarily targeting an individual, although boosh looked bad.
Additionally truth is always a defense.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I was just changing my electrodes and showering with my Marius Fabre Huile D'Olive mimosa scented soap, and it occurred to me, this Citizen United case could could help restore the Fairness Doctrine and the integrity of journalism.
As long as a good faith attempt is made at including opposing opinions, and it's a bona fide journalism study, and not a screed against an individual who just happens to be running for office at the moment.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
No seriously.
This could backfire on them. They have to bring into question all of the arguments.
Opening a can of worms.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Chef Boyardee?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
A nice, big bowl of Chef Boyardee and a piece of Sunbeam white bread with soft butter and a glass of ice cold milk. Followed by a Twinkie and a Hostess cupcake.
(BTW...changing the "electrodes"???)
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I haz electrodes too!
Like the bank bailouts backfiring? I agree with your point, it just sucks waiting for the backlash to happen.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
is also a reporter. She works @ Slate Magazine and i will have to say that Slate has quietly conducting some great reporting in the last few years.
It is sad to me that Huffington Post gets all of the accolades for being a "News" blog while Slate carries on with serious reporting and is virtually ignored.
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
I'm not sure the issues at stake are being understood.
No kidding. That's not the issue. That's not what will be decided.
No, it isn't. This is not merely a matter of being allowed to express a point of view.
Their right to spew their nonsense in general is not at issue.
Oh, for crying out loud! The misinformation and oversimplification hurts!
First, even at the beginning of the case, even Citizens United was not claiming that they were being banned for life from expressing their viewpoint. They'd been accused of violating a particular section of McCain/Feingold that prohibit certain kinds of electioneering activities 30 days before a primary election. Whatever the merits and faults of such the rule -- and I do have my civil libertarian problems with it myself -- let's not go pretending that the ruling is going to make it illegal for a Michael Moore or his conservative counterpart to ever make or sell a film again. Geez!
Nevertheless, yes, the case was initially filed on free speech grounds, and I do believe it was worth hearing. Ask around on message boards like C&L. Anyone who knows me knows I'm a hard core civil libertarian, and I often buck my progressive brethren on civil liberties issues.
But something happened in the middle of this case that makes it more than a simple free speech case. As arguments about free speech transpired, the case veered into the validity of any law that restricted not merely the rights of individuals to advocate political views via movies and television ads, but the free speech rights of corporate entities to spend corporate money in any manner that they feel like on political campaigns.
In an infamous decision called Buckley v. Valeo, the Supreme Court equated money with speech when it determined that an individual candidate must be allowed to spend any amount of his or her own money on his or her own campaign, lest his or her First Amendment rights be curtailed. It has always remained a Constitutional question whether all campaign contribution limits were likewise unconstitutional, and the Roberts Court has (somewhat disingenuously) seized upon the Citizens United case to revisit the issue.
So, let's understand what's now at stake. The Court could decide, very simply, that the one little provision that limits electioneering activities on TV 30 days before primaries is unconstitutional, in which case, C&L's discussion of the topic would look very, very different.
Or, as many of us fear, the Court could use the opportunity presented to conclude that all campaign finance reform efforts have been unconstitutional AND that corporations are full persons who, like all persons, are completely and wholly unlimited in the amounts of money they can spend on campaigns at all. AT ALL!
That's huge! It would undo the entire balance the Court has been attempting to walk when it recognized the ability of aggregated capital to unfairly influence elections, and even chill free speech in the process. Whether the Court has walked that line well is open to debate, but the potential consequences of this upcoming ruling are clear.
Don't pretend this is simply about banning political points of view. It's about corporate personhood, and whether corporations can be limited in any way when they spend money on campaigns.
GOOD! FUCKING! GRIEF!
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Yep! Corporation personhood is about to strip people personhood from the rest of us, by way of their unlimited self-serving resources.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
That's why we can't have a majority of Reslug wing-nuts on the supreme court.
That really is the most important issue facing this country right now.
Getting more Dems on the Supreme Court.
Now, before anyone comes after me with what about this and what about that.
Think about it .
The SCOTUS makes the final decisions. Hell, they even threw an election. And it was all legal. Because they said so.
Where you gonna go to protest the SC?
So, I know alot of us are pissed off and feeling used.
But please, take a look at the bigger picture.
In the meantime, we keep doing what we're doing. Hold their feet to the fire.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Actually that's how Greeks used to prevent their infants from turning into kalikantzaroi. By holding their wittle piddies so close to the fire their nails are singed.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
If Paul Abrams thinks it is a good idea to write letters to a Supreme Court justice about a pending court case, then I can only conclude that he needs to go back to law school (or to take a remedial civics course).
I think it's time for a serious attempt to impeach some of the Supreme Court Justices.
boosh v Gore is one. But Citizen United v Federal Election Commission is dovetailing too well with free-market, neo-liberalism, WTO, what with the mentioned way foreign citizens and governments can now get around our campaign laws.
It seems like the name of the appellant is enough to claim deceptive advertising and representation.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Nothing.
Welcome To Crooks & Liars. I see you've been here more that TWO HOURS! Wow.
is a sock poopet ( :D geddit?), or someone previously banned for rude behaviour!
me-oww!
This chap seems most unagreeable. Pardon the spelling.
You see, I've been out and about. And this cheeky fellow seems to have his nickers in a knot.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Poop, cheeky?
And by the way it's knickers.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...echo, echo, echo!
give me a break
you picked the handle, not us
me-oww!
:)
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Don't go near a microwave then.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I just washed my hair. And I can't do a thing with it. :0
What is your conceptual, continuity?
His comment was spot on! Your comments on the other hand, are stupid, lack thought, and are nothing more than a glaring example of why intelligent people need to make sure that corporations cannot continue to brainwash the weak minded.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
-it is businesses, Multi-National Corporations which should be made to shut up about America's elections.
It isn't about Free Speech, its about OPEN Bribery and Propaganda by NON AMERICANS.
"With their limitless resources, they can corrupt our system like never before and destroy our democratic process."
Too late it's already been done.
And they are pleased to announce there is nuttin you can do about it.
Corporations are not People.
The ruling that gave them the same rights as citizens should be overturned. Any justice supporting the ruling should be fired/impeached.
Welcome Republicans to your new Fascist/Theological State you created. You just were to busy to notice the change-over while you were out doing your tea-baggery.
Smoke and mirrors, baby; smoke and mirrors
With Liberal Progressive Obama in charge of ur' fate.
Bwahahahahaha
And oh, Congress can't abolish medical inflation, so don't hold your breath waiting for premiums to drop!
Obama is a moderate, why can you not grasp that?
He's one of us!
Americans who were previously uninsured will select brand-name coverage through a new kind of insurance supermarket called an exchange!!! Now that's thinking outside the box!
Heck! If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
If this NASTY piece of despotic legislation passes I think I'll sock $20k into United Health Plans stock! I figure the $$ I make can be parlayed into paying for my own premiums!
(Kidding).
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Tue, 12/22/2009 - 16:49 — Roninkai
Corporations are not People.
The ruling that gave them the same rights as citizens should be overturned
_______________________________________________________________________
That would be Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company, 118 U.S. 394 (1886).
I'm not sure how many real attempts have been made to overturn this case, but the argument corporate lawyers give is that it would also overturn the influence of unions and citizen activists groups (as if they cared).
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
have the rights of people, hyperbole notwithstanding.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
.
Corporates may be entities...
... But cut them, do they bleed?
NO INALIENABLE RIGHTS FOR NON-HUMANS!
.
Starve the WAR Beast...
... Feed Americans.
Corporations are not People.
The ruling that gave them the same rights as citizens should be overturned. Any justice supporting the ruling should be fired/impeached.
Welcome Republicans to your new Fascist/Theological State you created. You just were to busy to notice the change-over while you were out doing your tea-baggery.
Smoke and mirrors, baby; smoke and mirrors
you posted the same thing twice.
..pshht happens. Look at bush v. Gore.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Corporations want to overturn this law so they can directly control the political message, rather than indirectly as they do now. All a large corporation has to do is buy a media company and then convert the "news" segment of the company into a "propaganda" section. Given that corporations have purchased enough congressmen and congresswomen, they can ensure that the FCC won't interfere when their purchased News programs start openly supporting specific candidates.
If you want an example of this just look at FOX.
Folks, this has already happened when no one was looking. The media has already been converted to an entity that spews corporate messages and openly supports specific candidates. The beautiful part of it is that such propaganda comes out of the news department (disguised as "facts") rather than political ads (which on one believes anyway).
Pressing the FCC to crack down on ownership rules.
It's the consolidation of media that's allowed the political power to be controlled by a handful of wealthy conservative interests. Break up the media and competition will ensure that the traditional media looks more like the internet.
Perfect. Fully Corporafied....Here's the next U.S. Supreme
Corp...Eh, Court.:Mr. Clean (Cough!)
Mrs. Fields (Nice Cookies!)
The Marlboro Man (Big Tobacco Shill)
Mrs Butterworth (Sweeeeet.)
The Hamburgler (Meating out Justice for The Gun Lobby)
Speedy Relief(Big Pharma Shill)
Col. Sanders (Yummay and Cruelty Free)
Mr. Peanut (Right Wing Type)
And Chief Justice Poppin Fresh (First Ever Gay Justice)
"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."
We are about to enter the age of the Corporate Super-Citizen. The Heritage Foundation,Club for Growth,Cato Institute, Chamber of Commerce,GOP, etc, will be joining Citizens United in celebrating the birth of unlimited corporate fascism and the death of democracy.
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
Probably knee socks, saddle shoes, helicopter beanies, and suspenders.
You forgot the knee pads.
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
Will it be a huge change from what we have already?
*sigh*
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
thuggish, cruel, cynical, stupid, detestable, and totally corrupt people on earth hell bent on the complete destruction of nature. Nice.
....great uniforms eh?
So do you want your new formula Soma warm or with ice?
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
http://biblicone.com/wp-content/uploads/300px...
http://www.llanbister.powys.sch.uk/uniform02.gif
http://www.freemoviestheatre.com/media/images...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I really hate those guys; all of them!
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
I remember when a small group called Sinclair Broadcast Group, tried to run a "documentary" soon before the 2004 elections that was essentially their version of Unfit to Serve.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"The house, the house,the house is on fire...Don't put it out let the mother fucker burn"! There's the anthem. I don't think there's enough insurance to cover the masses, gone "Wild In The Streets"! Flash Mobs? Future Shock: Where wealth and power accumulate, self interest follows (greed). The treasures of hell were set free when the "Beast" (Ronald666WilsonReagan) was given reign. And the walls will come tumblin' down.
Prepare: The Good Fight! Stay Tuned!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRLwV2xafpk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Corporate fascism is already here. The corporate fascists on the Supreme Court are only going to make it permanent.
Soon these Roberts goons will strip personhood from citizens, and bestow it only on corporations. Would it be anymore far-fetched than the other bullshit the wingnuts do?
Meanwhile, back at the White House; Rahmabama will be working tirelessly for one single republican "bi-partisan" vote on any bill, and throwing the people under the bus to get it.
Man, we are sooooooo.... screwed!
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
What the hell difference is it going to make ? Paid any attention to Wall Street and the Health Insurance and Pharma stocks lately ? Well they are shooting up in value for a reason . Yeah man , healthcare "reform" and change we can believe in , main street not Wall Street , isn't that what we were told ? Bend over folks ! It's a little late for the warning John , they have already taken over , like Durbin said they own the place . Ditto NoGWBpolicyleft post .
If the real people of the United States pursued their self-interests with the diligence of the fictitious persons the US would have had a universal single-payer health care system generations ago.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
would be the better term.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
That Move-On, George Soros, the Unions ... AND ACORN! ... will be able to spend unlimited money on any campaign ... and see how fast the wing-nuts change their tune.
The unions have been gutted by ray gunn, and blog sites aren't known for having a lot of money, but George Soros...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
if they can spend unlimited money to bribe and pay off politicians to do their dirty work and look the other way for them?
Isn't there a way to use the "personhood" against them. Is there some parsing of personhood and individual that can make the individual donation limit of $2,200 (or whatever it is now) now apply to corporations? You want to be a person, great! Here are those pesky constraints to go along with those benefits.
And there, the floodgates are open through a little loophole called the Political Action Committee. So there, corporations are on semi-equal ground with people, as there are massive PACs like MoveOn that buy campaign ads like Swift Boat Vets, etc. Although the truth is, you don't have to tell the truth in political advertising, which I believe is a big flaw. Political speech is the most protected speech, so you can say whatever you want. Additionally, MoveOn does not own a national news network that can compete with the completely conservative-owned media. Hence, a people's candidate, like Howard Dean, can be killed off by the media within 24 hours.
If the SCOTUS gives Corporate America this power it will be just one more nail in the coffin. Just wait until the net neutrality thing comes to a head. And then there will be something else and something else and in the end there will be people in the streets. Everybody will be well aware of what went down during the French revolution. It is not going to be pretty. The heads of Goldman Sachs have already obtained permits and are carrying guns to protect themselves.
... would solve so many problems in this country.
Do you realize that the ruling that gave Corporations the same rights as people was a mistake and was not meant to be. I forget the history but it was interesting. Maybe Wikipedia has it.
I know the story to which you're referring. The one about slipping corporate personhood into a decision without the judges really having decided it.
Sotomayor might have been hinting at it during oral arguments. Or maybe not. In any case, what she said could be our only hope.
Because Roberts seized the opportunity to "revisit" other cases that restricted corporate spending rights on free speech grounds, Sotomayor said openly that if the Court were really willing to do that, it should likewise be willing to revisit the original case that considered corporations persons with free speech rights to begin with.
There just might be a chance, if Sotomayor is really inclined, that she could convince Stevens, Ginsburg and Breyer to do exactly that -- overturn the original idea of corporate personhood, and reset the entire game in a better way. The real question, assuming Sotomayor is indeed inclined to go that route, is whether she can get Kennedy on board too.
We shall see.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
- Unequal Protection - and is now updating it for a new edition. Short version: in 1886 the railroads lost a case in which they claimed corporate personhood. The SCOTUS decision ignored that claim, but the court reporter in summarizing the case spuriously included the claim as established (the reporter was in fact in the employ of the railroads). Later courts have read the summary without referring to the actual decision rendered by the court and assumed it was true.
I believe that decision, more than any other law or event, has shaped the U.S. into the country it is today. And it makes no sense whatsoever. Corporations are amoral entities, by their very nature. When corporations made equal to people, the dynamics of a government of, by and for the people changes its very essence as a result. It becomes a government of, by and for the profit.
if they have a bill ready that limits corporate avarice and influence, why wait for the corrupt roberts' court to further expose America to corporate influence?
Congress has the option to impeach sitting members of the bench. Now is the time. If this turns poorly, it's time to get Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas off the bench. Period, end of story. If patently unconstitutional decisions for political hackery aren't justification enough, what would be? Does Scalia have to cut a child open and swallow its entrails while rendering a decision before someone steps up and pulls him away?
T
to corporations AND LABOR UNIONS?" WTF?? Hell, we in organized labor have almost no power or influence, and Dick Durbin knows it. Or not....
Unions have already recieved the "last rights" and this idiot lumps them in with corporations, who own, run, and distate the government.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
This case is not about fairness and honest debate of political ideas on a level playing field. And it surely is not about free speech. The intent of this litigation is to drown out individual voices and voter initiatives with highly financed corporate propaganda that will further erode the power of the individual voter. Should this appeal be upheld the disproportionate amount of corporate funds that will flow into election campaigns will alter election dynamics, and subordinate the will of the people even more to the aggressive interests of large corporations. Justice Kennedy is most likely the best chance to uphold the decision of the lower courts.
...but counter it by entering legislation regarding new guidelines for legislators when voting/forming bills. Someone like Kucinich would be the person who would back this. He's proven that he's there for the people, not the special interest groups.
I don't think we should stop or hinder people (ie. individuals, corporations, organizations) from wanting to help elect their favorite candidate. But we must have guidelines and restrictions for the elected officials who accept such donations.
It's perfectly legal to limit a taxpayer paid officials decisions based on bias. It should be written to convey the non acceptance of bribery. There are legal ramifications that would arise if we were to limit how much and who can't give to an election campaign.
I've been following this case on OYEZ.org, here's the link if you want to hear the audio on the oral arguments: http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2008/2008...
I've never heard of a case in which you come in with one specific case and the judge sends you back to re-argue a broader version of your case....amazing...
"By another 5-4 decision the Supreme Court will effectively turn the United States government over to corporations, i.e., back to the Republican Party, this time for keeps."
I disagree with that. The Democratic Party has slowly become more and more wedded to corporations. I don't see very much difference between the two parties as power structures at this point. The Democratic Party doesn't really represent progressive ideology. Mind you, that could change.
It may have escaped your notice, but this ruling won't change a thing either way. Our democracy was lost many years ago and the people of this country just don't really give a fuck.
We all know that voting for the next American Idol is FAR more important than voting in elections.
65% voter turnout is considered exceptional? No, it's just a sign that our country is dying a slow death.
to lobby against this decision, and it would be easy.
All those groups who are worried about foreigners and illegals getting the right to vote in our country should also be concerned that allowing corporate donations amounts to the same thing.
It could be pitched crassly as follows:
"You wouldn't let a foreign individual vote in our elections, why would you let that same individuals corporation vote in our election through donations?"
Congress can pass a law stating that only "natural persons" can contribute to political campaigns. This will eliminate corporations. Fat chance congress will ever do this. It would take an ammendment to the Constitution to achieve this or a revolution. I don't know which could come earlier.
Comments are closed on this entry