McChrystal's Leak No Problem for GOP Backers
By Jon Perr Tuesday Oct 20, 2009 11:00amSeemingly with each passing day, General Stanley McChrystal grows in the esteem of President Obama's conservative foes. After having savaged General Eric Shinseki for his pre-Iraq war testimony that the occupation would require "several hundreds of thousands" of American troops, Republicans have seized on McChrystal's public demands for more forces in Afghanistan as their latest battering ram to bludgeon Obama on national security. And as it turns out, McChrystal's inadvertent leak earlier this month regarding a classified CIA analysis puts him in the same company as Republicans John Boehner, Pete Hoekstra, Pat Roberts and, of course, Dick Cheney.
McChrystal in his leaked report and unprecedented public speech in London has put tremendous pressure on President Obama to quadruple the Bush-era commitment to the Afghan conflict. General McChrystal didn't merely announce that short of deploying as many as 60,000 more troops, the U.S. effort in Afghanistan "will likely result in failure." He also set out to demolish straw man alternatives to his escalated counterinsurgency plan, including:
"A paper has been written that recommends that we use a plan called 'Chaosistan', and that we let Afghanistan become a Somalia-like haven of chaos that we simply manage from outside."
But as Newsweek reported, that "paper" to which General McChrystal casually referred is almost surely a classified CIA assessment:
Two U.S. intelligence officials, who asked for anonymity when discussing a sensitive matter, say that the reference almost certainly comes from a recently published, and secret, CIA analysis titled "Chaosistan" (not "Chaostan"). Prepared by a "red team" of CIA analysts, the document, says one official, picks apart conventional analyses of the war and explains how forces inside Afghanistan--from hostile ethnic groups to intrusive neighbors to societal damage caused by past Taliban rule--work against the notions of a central Afghan government. The paper is not quite the policy proposal McChrystal implied it was, say the officials, since intelligence analysts don't generally recommend policy options.
Of course, the same Republican voices which lauded the leak of McChrystal's report and his UK grandstanding will doubtless remain silent now. Because while many in the GOP called for the prosecution of those behind the publication of the NSA domestic surveillance story, they themselves selectively leaked classified national security information for partisan political purposes.
Take, for example, former House Intelligence Committee chairman Pete Hoekstra. Hoekstra, who in 2006 decried "unauthorized disclosures of classified information [which] only help terrorists and our enemies - and put American lives at risk," this February announced a secret Congressional trip to Iraq via Twitter.
But Hoekstra's Tweet ("Just landed in Baghdad") is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the Republican penchant for deploying classified intelligence for political gain.
As Talking Points Memo detailed, in the summer of 2007 the Bush administration was pressing for Congress to codify its regime of illegal NSA domestic surveillance. And at the forefront was John Boehner, who warned of a "gap in intelligence" because a FISA court judge had earlier - and secretly - ruled part of the eavesdropping program illegal. In April 2006, Kansas Senator Pat Roberts leaked details regarding Saddam Hussein's whereabouts on March 20, 2003 even as the Iraq war was just getting underway. And, of course, in the politically treacherous summer of 2003, Vice President Dick Cheney authorized the cherry-picked declassification of elements of the 2002 Iraq NIE as part of a campaign to smear Ambassador Joseph Wilson over his public decimation of the White House's "uranium in Niger" canard.
The other irony, of course, is that it was the Bush administration and its amen corner which happily starved Afghanistan of badly needed U.S. forces after 2002 in order to prosecute the war in Iraq. When General Shinseki (now head of the Veterans Administration) made his famous response to a Congressional committee about the force requirements for Iraq, he was forced into retirement after Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld blasted his prescient assessment as "far off the mark." By 2008, McChrystal's predecessor General David McKiernan made clear the impact of the Iraq diversion on the under-resourced American effort in Afghanistan:
"There was a saying when I got there: If you're in Iraq and you need something, you ask for it," McKiernan said in his first interview since being fired. "If you're in Afghanistan and you need it, you figure out how to do without it." By late last summer, he decided to tell George W. Bush's White House what he knew it did not want to hear: He needed 30,000 more troops. He wanted to send some to the country's east to bolster other U.S. forces, and some to the south to assist overwhelmed British and Canadian units in Helmand and Kandahar provinces.
The Bush administration opted not to act on McKiernan's request and instead set out to persuade NATO allies to contribute more troops.
For his part, Joint Chiefs Chairman Michael Mullen, who sacked McKiernan earlier this year, acknowledged the constraints he faced in July 2008:
"I don't have troops I can reach for, brigades I can reach, to send into Afghanistan until I have a reduced requirement in Iraq. Afghanistan has been and remains an economy-of-force campaign, which by definition means we need more forces there."
Representing the Republican about-face is the party's 2008 presidential nominee, John McCain. In November 2003, McCain declared the United States can "muddle through in Afghanistan." In April 2008, the Arizona Senator, who was wrong at almost every point about the invasion of Iraq, defied history and logic alike when he announced, "Afghanistan is not in trouble because of our diversion to Iraq" Now, Muddle Through McCain said after meeting with President Obama to discuss Afghanistan two weeks ago, "Half-measures is what I worry about."
And so it goes. The same people who undermined the U.S. effort in Afghanistan beginning in 2002 now hope to do the same to President Obama as he contemplates McChrystal's request. Meanwhile, for as long as he makes Obama squirm in the White House, McChrystal will enjoy the same full-throated support the Republican Party gave Douglas MacArthur during the Korean War. Even, it appears, if he leaks classified information to do it.
(This piece also appears at Perrspectives.)








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Obama needs to fire this asshole. He should have been fired after he helped cover up the death of Pat Tillman...
Beelzebud, RIGHT ON!!!
The sooner he and the republican hate-machine figures out the MILITARY DOES NOT RUN THE GOVERNMENT - PERIOD - The less heart burn we have to tolerate from them whining...AND, the sooner Obama fires McCrystal AND Betrayus less grief we have to listen to...
IF folks don't like this position they need to re-read the documents they keep saying we're ignoring..THE CONSTITUTION...It spells out who's who and what's what so deal with it...
Apparently Obama wants to wait to see what the results of a run-off election will be in Afghanistan and Gates has told him to make the decision NOW:
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUST...
McChrystal has NO credibility after the Tillman cover-up/fiasco
First, he needs to STFU and salute and then Obama needs to fire his ass!
...needs to reduce this guy to a permanent rank of Colonel and then kick out into retirement. It's one thing to advise and give counsel, it's a whole different matter to publicly try and undermine the CIC. It looks like the lesson of McArthur has been forgotten and needs to be refreshed.
otherwise, we, the people, will be left to wonder who is the Commander in Chief.
What McChrystal did in London was way over the top.
And the military-industrial complex need to be reminded who's the Boss.
Oh! And fuck the republiscums!
these bush left overs, it is kind of creepy.
...had disclosed classified information (likely Secret or TS), they would end up in Leavenworth. McChrystal will probably get a Medal of Honor.
Moron.
End the wars, bring the troops home.
Dismantle the CIA, the MIC and the Corporate State of Perpetual War.
And while they're at it, dismantle the NSA and the Fed.
what are you doing?
You're insubordinate at best...possibly treasonous at worst.
I think you should resign McChrystal...
Afghanistan isn't really a country as we know the term, and it has never had what we would consider to be a government. It's a mountainous region of geographically isolated tribes and clans ruled by warlords. It's like a bunch of little countries, and none of these countries are democracies. You need a very large number of bribe dispensing diplomats on the ground making agreements with each of these local tribal leaders / warlords to get anywhere with the 'people.'
They're trying to turn him into Gen. Eric Shinseki?
As of right now, there's no government to even turn to country over to. At least give our soldiers a clear objective they can fight and win.
BTW, what a GREAT plan the CIA has there... "Chaosistan". Yes, let's make Afghanistan even WORSE than it was before 9/11. That will surely stem the tide of radical Islamic terrorists...
The CIA needs to be disbanded.
the CIA is principally a tool of the neocons and neoliberals. Endless warfare and strife are critical elements of their plan for the world...there's an endless number of assaults on the constitution that they can attempt to justify under conditions of warfare. Chaos that hopefully (for the CIA) breeds endless terrorist threats creates all sorts of possiilities for their creative minds. Makes perfect sense, from that perspective. CIa needs to be defunded into non-existence.
I am not a member of the GOP, but I do support McChrystal’s decision to go public with his non-classified or politically-classified disagreements with the President. In the military, if you disagree with an order, you are to appeal your disagreement to your superior’s superior.
As the only person outranking Obama is the Constitution, and the American people, McChrystal’s actions were proper.
The Constitution is not a "person". Obama is the COC. Period, end of story.
The Constitution is Divine.
As in sent down by God? Bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dubYbw_ROro
That's obvious. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff outranks lame ass McChrystal by quite a shot! And then there's the Secretary of Defense between the Chairman of the JCS and the President! When you don't have a frigging clue what you're talking about it's often best to say nothing.
The report was signed by McChrystal and sent to Obama. Therefore, I conclude that the Chain of Command goes McChrystal – Obama – American People.
And, na na na na na, I have served, and happen to know that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is a staff position, and not an operational position. They are not in the Chain of Command.
the Army Chief of Staff is not an "operational" position? And the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is also not "operational"? I don't know what you mean but I suspect those guys think that they ARE in the Chain of Command.
Joint Chiefs of Staff
The military's highest ranking officers, the Joint Chiefs advise the National Security Council on strategy, passing on concerns or requests from the ranks. Proposals go through non-military advisers to ensure civilian control of the armed forces.
National Security Council
Advisers from military and civilian sectors then brief the president.
1. Commander in Chief
Armed with the information, the president makes the cutive decision
2. Secretary Of Defense
Informed of the decision, the defense secretary instructs Central Command.
3 U.S. Central Command
The head of Central Command, which covers all U.S. forces in the region, refines the war strategy with commanders from four branches of service.
4 In the Field
Further down the chain, combat decisions are left to the commanders of various troop and armor units. A look at the Army structure
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/0...
Listen to me.
Commander-in-Chief; then
CINC
Petreus has delegated to McChyrstal as evidenced by McChyrstal's signature on the report delivered to Obama. Therefore:
McChrystal - Obama - American People
I'm really going to listen to a moron troll who has no clue whatsoever what he's talking about.
If you'd ever been in the military you might have a slight clue that CINC stands for Commander in Chief.
Is it just me or is the mental level of trolls getting lower lately?
The CINC is the Commander of any particular theater. Petreaus is CINC-Cent, or the guy in charge of the Central Command.
So BO Bill, if it comes down to We the American People I assume that includes you, right? So call the general and give him your permission to send 60,000 troops to Afganistan.
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He's head & shoulders above the average teabagger!
and so's a slug.
Trolling!
hahahaha
Had a General pulled the same stunt during the Bush administration... he'll be drafting his resignation letter 24 hours later.
Yeah you're not a member of the GOP, you probably just vote for them every election cycle.
The constitution doesn't "outrank" the commander in chief, it's a document. McChrystal did not address the constitution, or even the American public, he gave that speech out of the country!
were branded traitors for saying that they were embarrassed that they came from the same state as Texas while they were in England.
McChrystal leaks a (non?) classified CIA analysis in a speech in England.
First, we need to quit going to England.
Second, while it may be apples and oranges in the comparisons, it goes to show how truly disingenuous the Republicans are at this time.
US Constitution Article II, Sec. 2
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
Gen Petraeus's actual title is Commander, U.S. Central Command, there's no "in chief."
I was US Air Force, Top Secret Clearance, Honorable Discharge.
Atomic Demolition Munitions. And you're absolutely correct on the military title. But wittle trolls can't be expected to actually know things like that. What they can be counted on is to say in is out and up is down when commenting on reality based sites when confronted with the truth.
We're almost contemporaries, I was discharged in 1982. But I was in the Telecommunications Squadron at Edwards AFB. Later it became Telecommunications Command, and in the last few years I had to contact them and I think they were called Information Technology.
But until 1992 I had to notify the military everytime I moved. At first I thought it was because I was in college, and on some list with students who needed to register. I only found out later it was because of my Top Secret Clearance, and it did seem to tie into my having to sign a document on my discharge swearing me to secrecy for the next 10 years or face possible jail-time.
Too bad I could honor it but not mcchrystal.
I actually got booted from the ADM stuff in early '82 for dropping a piece of hash on the vault floor. By that point I was actually doing NRAS(Nuclear Release Authentication System) work waiting to rotate to Ft. Hood. And then I went to Ft. Benning assigned to Communications Command. They never made me sign anything, either when I left ADM nor when I discharged in '83. And they never had any contact with me after except to send me my release papers after my 3 years in IRR was over. But I still didn't talk about ADM for almost 20 years because I didn't think anyone would believe that shit anyway until in 2000 I saw there was a webpage about it at the Brookings Institute and that my old unit the 567th even had a website. That was when I found out they'd discontinued ADM in '86. When I was in the Communications Command at Benning I was a Drafting Tech but actually worked as the Colonels gopher/driver and then spent 7 months at the Ft. Benning main switchboard as an information operator. Put a lot of calls through to Edwards AFB during that time. And if you ever had to put a call through to Benning and spoke to a male operator then that was me because I was the only man on the switchboard. That was during Reagans bright idea of "privatizing" and they couldn't hire any new civilians so me and a female soldier got volunteered to fill in. Interesting times!
My speaking on matters like this would be the same as me telling a mother how to raise her kids. I have no experience in either. But one thing that comes to my mind is that someone needs to remind McChrystal that he is NOT the commander in chief. He takes orders from the President, he doesn't give them to him.
Time to start managing it a little better. Who has the RC for the drones?
Bottom line...Republicans want AMERICA TO FAIL! The republican party is a party of FAILURE! How else could they "think" they look the same?
Michael Steele(the only negro Flush Limbaugh loves...or, so, the negro thinks...)
The GOP would like to see:
- Obama double-down in Afghanistan and still be mired there come 2012
- Obama fail to enact ANY health care reform
- Obama constantly having to appoint new staffers as they resign due to "scandal"
Why does this dude remind me of Gen. Westmoreland?
Westmoreland had more morals and ethics then this clown.
Did you serve under Westy? I did. Not too impressive.
But are you saying you think McChrystal IS impressive??? Would you want to serve under him? Somehow I think the men and women who do think much the same as you do about Westmoreland.
morals or ethics!! Just that McChrystals are worse. I'm pretty sure Westmoreland was never involved in an assassination of a dissident soldier under his command. Probably wanted to be but didn't.
He reminds me of General Ripper.
Hersh believes that Cheney still has key people in multiple agencies -- especially military and intelligence of course -- who keep him informed at a detailed level. He calls this a "stay behind", an intelligence term for moles left in-country, to conduct sabotage or other operations in the interests of an expelled force.
He suggests that the extent of this network is such that Cheney has some lingering ability to interfere with the new administration, to influence the execution of policies, and to intimidate his potential critics still in government.
Washington is infested with moles.
I'd like to know who's really running the show when it comes to military decisions. There are many Bush holdovers still there and some of them, like McChrystal, should've been fired or put in prison long ago.
Obama's continuing support of McChrystal is a huge disappointment.
They're so hungry for blood, let them fight for it!
General McCrystal's list of military decorations/awards seem to be on the short side when it comes to actual combat awards,which total 0! Unlike many of those he followed, he's short on actual combat experience! Anyone can lead from a desk or computer!
Wasn't the General also involved with the Pat Tillman cover-up, just like General Powell was involved with the cover-up in the My Lai Massacre?
Has anyone noticed that Obama isn't on tv every other day claiming to be a war-time Commander-in-Chief, like Gunga-Din Bush did for 7 1/2 years!Obama has also kept us safer longer than Bush did!
... with the military experts at Fox, and both (O'Reilly and Hannity) agreed that Pres. Obama should subordinate himself to the generals and follow McCrystal's request. Oh --- Morris and Rove backed up the 2 experts.
But make em give you 20 first.
best post on here.
Obama needs to grow a back bone on this war and healthcare or it'll tear him up in the next elections.
Make the decisions, which will create the change, let the american people see the change for better and they'll still own the congress
would require Obama to make a decision.
When one of the most famous and effective Generals of yore contradicted the President there was no question, no hesitation. Harry Truman removed Douglas MacArthur from his leadership position in Korea.
What is Obama waiting for? The military reports to and takes orders from The President. If they contradict him in the press or leak information, then they must be removed and demoted.
They talk abouot gays causing dissention in the ranks - generals openly defying the Commander in Chief and undermining policy will poison an entire generation of young leaders.
McChrystal should be treated summiarily, knocked down several ranks and made an example of. The same for any officer endorsing, applauding or supporting McChrystals actions.
Muster him out, Obama, or pay the price yourself.
MacArthur was fired by Truman essentially for insubordination, what makes mcchrystal anymore valuable?
Nothing makes McChrystal more valuable. He has made nothing but excuses. His record in Afganistan is a political cover-up of Tillman death, loss of 80% of the territory to Taliban, absolutely corrupt puppet government widely resented by the populace - in other words a unmitigated failure.
Now he leaks intelligence and openly contradicts the President to foreign press.
Incompetent and insubordinate, yet still in the field?
Meanwhile, Obama "considers" "consults" "threatens" and toasts NY fund Wall Street fund raising.
Sky grows darker by the day.
FIRE General Stanley McChrystal, president Obama!
Ripper: Mandrake?
Mandrake: Yes, Jack?
Ripper: Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?
Mandrake: Well, I can't say I have.
Ripper: Vodka, that's what they drink, isn't it? Never water?
Mandrake: Well, I-I believe that's what they drink, Jack, yes.
Ripper: On no account will a Commie ever drink water, and not without good reason.
Mandrake: Oh, eh, yes. I, uhm, can't quite see what you're getting at, Jack.
Ripper: Water, that's what I'm getting at, water. Mandrake, water is the source of all life. Seven-tenths of this earth's surface is water. Why, do you realize that seventy percent of you is water?
Mandrake: Uh, uh, Good Lord!
Ripper: And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids.
Mandrake: Yes. (he begins to chuckle nervously)
Ripper: Are you beginning to understand?
Mandrake: Yes. (more laughter)
Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure-grain alcohol?
Mandrake: Well, it did occur to me, Jack, yes.
Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation. Fluoridation of water?
Mandrake: Uh? Yes, I-I have heard of that, Jack, yes. Yes.
Ripper: Well, do you know what it is?
Mandrake: No, no I don't know what it is, no.
Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?
Time for Obama to give McCrystal the "Truman - MacArthur treatment!"
It's because the GOP hates America and uncaringly would sell it out for any of their selfish reasons.
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