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Attention-whore Joe Lieberman is at it again, along with his sidekick, BlueDog Kent Conrad. At issue this time: Extending the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy.

Their position should be viewed as a direct assault on President Obama's promise to maintain tax cuts for the middle class while allowing those cuts to expire for the small, tiny percentage of wage earners who make more than $250,000.00 per year.

Here's how it works: If the Congress does nothing, all Bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year. But Congress could take the affirmative step of extending the cuts for anyone with income below the $250,000.00 level while expiring the cuts for anyone above.

Of course, this would take action, which would be subject to the filibuster.

In the video above, Conrad says the first priority should be an extension of the tax cuts on the middle class, but that the timing is wrong to increase taxes on the wealthy. While simultaneously arguing for the expiration of cuts on the wealthy while extending them, Conrad just about ties himself in knots trying to justify it.

Oh, and then of course he hits on spending as the "real target". The whole argument is ridiculous. As Jon Perr points out, any argument for extending the cuts on the rich is playing right into the hands of Republican Tax Cut Fairies.

Joe Lieberman leaps out from the wings in a dashing arabesque, pronouncing thus:

We got a long term debt problem as Bernanke said and we gotta begin to bring our government back into balance. Probably in the long term that gonna mean we’re gonna have some more people in higher income levels. But I think that right now, as we’re trying to come out of a bad economy, that would be a mistake. I don’t know if its two years, six months, whether it’s a year, to just hold over these tax cuts so there's more money in the hands of these businesses, small businesses which create most of the jobs, a lot of people are in those upper brackets running those small businesses let’s make sure the economy’s stronger before we start raising taxes again.

Would someone please put this chart in front of Joe and Kent and make them study it until they actually understand?

cbpp_debt_wo_tax_cuts_9711b.jpg

So there's no misunderstanding here, let me state it outright: Kent Conrad and Joe Lieberman are arguing for the further erosion and obliteration of the middle class in order to give the rich folks a tax break for a few more years.

Their twirly argument about it being "bad for the economy" to raise taxes in a recession presumes that the entire country is at the mercy of the elite 1% whose incomes exceed $250,000 per year. We're just the screaming rabble waiting for crumbs from the merciful elite, after all.

It also presumes the same false argument Republicans make; namely that tax cuts are not a form of spending and should not be viewed as such. OF COURSE they are.

Meanwhile, the rich are not spending and aren't signaling any particular desire to spend, so giving them some extra bucks won't stimulate the economy in any kind of good way anyway. Those of us who are still unemployed, or still earning a paycheck similar to the paycheck we earned 15 years or so ago, on the other hand, would welcome some extra money to pay the bills and maybe even buy a thing or two.

As long as I'm on a rant here, let's deal with the myth of the tax cuts being good for small business. Most small business owners do not earn in excess of $250,000 per year. See this 2004 study for proof of that (PDF). They tend to earn less and plow more money back into their business. Along with that, many small business owners filing as sole proprietors also have employment income. That small business talking point sounds great, but it's another myth like the one about tax cuts not contributing to the national debt.

This is not an issue of bolstering small business. This is one Democrat and one Independent-but-mostly-conservative-attention-whore trying to screw the middle class in favor of those who do not need, and will not use tax savings to bolster the economy.

The debate over these tax cuts shouldn't even be a debate. There is no fiscal reason to keep them. They are not a bargaining chip when one side isn't interested in bargains or compromise or even being a tiny bit reasonable. They would be nothing more than a gift to Republicans who would then take that and use it as a weapon for years to come against Democrats in election years.

After all, it's 2010 now. Extending the tax cuts to 2012 just guarantees a Republican President, who will promise America that he or she will make sure to reward the idle rich at the expense of the working poor.

UPDATED: Colbert nails it:

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ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Handypants's picture

Scrooo those two idjots.

They're just representing the wealthy.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

docb's picture

won't work for anyone but the Insurance Cos...and Leibermutt we know about!

Neither to be trusted ever!
Go to Http:www.cbpp.com --they have the stats and charts about the tax breaks- the deficit and the truth!

Seattle_Truthseeker's picture

the Presidents agenda downloaded to my Outlook every day - I see that he is meeting with LIE-berman, Kyl, abd Graham at 10:45 EDT today.

Ugh, they will ave to disinfect the oval office from that meeting. Disgusting. I'd like to be a fly on the wall

Fed Up and Tired's picture

Does anyone think they will let those tax cuts expire? Those cuts go directly to them and their next door neighbors.

cund_gulag's picture

Thanks again for putting that Traitorous Whore Joe back in the Senate.
I think I speak for many of us here when I give you a hale and hearty, FUCK YOU!

Kate's picture

"simulateously"!
"theres"
"busineses"

karoli's picture

But the others were from a transcript quoted from WonkRoom. They get credit for those.

Though I will confess...real time transcription is humbling.

ROCKS911's picture

But would somebody please post the Colbert Report's "The Word" from yesterdays episode about tax cuts for the rich and the trickle down. OMG it was genius, genius I tell ya!

Great minds think alike and you and I have just proven the not so great ones do too. :)

With lime!


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Get the "word" clip from last night's Colbert show. No one does it better and it is all about this topic.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

surfjac's picture

..but it was funny and worthy of a moment of everyone's time. I heard a statistic last week I think that the tax cut yield, for every dollar cut, $.23 in return to the economy. That's not a $1.23 but $.23. The distribution of funds to the unemployed, the $30+ billion, would yield $1.60 in return to the economy.


Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"

karoli's picture

Thanks for the tip. :)

No, thank you Karoli, now I can show it to my husband. He's gonna laugh his butt off when he watches this.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

We are a country governed by liars and thieves, overseen by a mass media of liars and thieves, protected by a judiciary of liars and thieves, all paid for by wealthy liars and thieves.


"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."

ron's picture

all these so-called small businesses can hire employees at the lowest wages in 30 years and they are still not hiring. Extending tax breaks won't make any difference. If it were true, wouldn't they already be hiring?

Exactly! It's all about a little thing called supply and demand.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

gump's picture

We saw higher unemployment and a larger deficit. In other words the rich (2%)didn't start hiring because of them, they just bought a bigger yacht.

Get rid of those tax cuts and give the lower and middle class a bigger tax cut. When the 98% (lower and middle class)get more money they spend creating a need for production and services. With the need for production and services comes a need for hiring. It's not that hard.


is intended to be a factual statement

Exactly. Make it a two step process:

1) Take no action to keep any of the Bush tax cuts from expiring
2) Put forth legislation for a bigger middle class tax cut before the election

Force the Republicans to vote against a middle class tax cut going into the election.

But..but..but...that will upset our rich donors!

Rahm will not be happy. We can't do it.


"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."

bonsai pajamas's picture

"Meanwhile, the rich are not spending and aren't signaling any particular desire to spend, so giving them some extra bucks won't stimulate the economy in any kind of good way anyway."

But, but, you don't understand! See, the rich are like God, and WE are like the Israelites wandering in the wilderness; the rich (God) send tasty, yummy manna trickling down from heaven and we eat em up! IT'S IN THE BIBLE!!! Are you gonna argue with THE BIBLE?!!!

Just look out your window and you'll see it trickling down all over the damn place!

Gosh! I just got some on my tie.

ikalbertus's picture
Yes

Without the rich us poor unwashed would have nothing. We'd all be living in hovels with dirt floors cooking meat on a stick over an open fire. The repugnant 98% would be illiterate, uncultured, superstitious and able to communicate only with grunts and hand signals. We mustn't do anything to make our wonderful masters of the universe unhappy.

Milquetoast's picture

The most "financially endowed" congresscritters are democrats.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2...

Truth: (stranger than fiction)


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

miss_kitty's picture

you are citing a question asked by 'Barack Hussein Blows Badly,' and goes like this (This is for people who won't click the link, and assume milquey here has something credible to back him up):

Why are the wealthiest politicians democrats? Why are dems the party of wealth and elitism?
Top 10 wealthiest members of the house and senate (7 are dems)
Jane Harman (D-Calif)
2 Darrell Issa (R-Calif)
3 John Kerry (D-Mass)
4 Vernon Buchanan (R-Fla)
5 Herb Kohl (D-Wis)
6 Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass)
7 Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa)
8 Robin Hayes (R-NC)
9 Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif)
10 Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ)

Most expensive places to live in the US: Cape Cod, Beverley Hills: 90% democrat.

Billionaire Democrat: Warren Buffet.
Billionaire: George Sorros.
Sergey Brin, Democrat, Billionaire.
Larry Page, Democrat, Billionaire
Charles Koch, Democrat, Billionaire
Kirk Kerkorian, Democrat, Billionaire
Abigail Johnson, Democrat, Billionaire
Ballmer, Steven, Democrat, Billionaire
(there are many more billionaire dems, but i dont have room to list them)

That's your 'source.' Yes, truth is stranger than fiction. The truth here is that you can operate a computer somehow, and believe some lying sack posting flamebait in yahoo questions as a credible source.

Milquetoast's picture

audit-prosecute-incarcerate

miss_kitty's picture

your new link, from Friday, June 13, 2003

Financial disclosure forms released Friday by the nation's 100 senators show there are at least 40 millionaires among them -- 22 Republicans and 18 Democrats. All but six of them are men.

Could you be more lame with sourcing, mt? Please. I would like to see the depths to which you can plumb with this fake bs.

Milquetoast's picture

"Congressional Democrats , you may be surprised to learn, tend to be wealthier than the Republicans"

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2004/09/...


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

miss_kitty's picture

September 17, 2004

You do realise it's 2010?

Milquetoast's picture

"In major flip, House Dems now represent richest regions"

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-...


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

miss_kitty's picture

the wealthiest REGIONS, make the reps themselves the wealthiest members? The guy who reps Dist 8, Bellevue, Medina, Mercer Island and where all the MS founders MaCaw cell, Nordstrom Family, all live there. He's a Thug, and he's not rich.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

That just proves unlike the teabaggers claim they're not anti-capitalist...


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Milquetoast's picture

cut/paste:

The top three wealthiest senators are Democrats: John Kerry of Massachusetts, with a net worth of at least $164 million; Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, with a net worth of at least $111 million, and John "Jay" Rockefeller of West Virginia, with an estimated net worth of at least $82 million.


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

miss_kitty's picture

yeahbut. Whole new congress a couple of times. that info is still 7 years old.

Dont feed the morons

ron's picture

what's that got do do with the tax cuts for the rich that aren't hiring?

miss_kitty's picture

and I'm just waking up.

Milquetoast's picture

...if you are hoping dems are gonna increase taxes on themselves...

don't be too surprised if they don't.


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

ron's picture

see where they are going to hire any employees and that is more what the post is about. It's not about who the richest politicians are.

miss_kitty's picture

but really, get your sourcing act together. It's dishonest to post the crap you put up. I want people who post here to know that.

Bill Lumbergh's picture

Isn't milky on ignore?
Ignore is your friend, use it. I do. ;)

freequark's picture

After all, it doesn't fit in with the narrative that Democrat = good, Republican = bad.

miss_kitty's picture

thanks for rewriting my point, you uncomprehending bullshitter.

Evet's picture

| A Nebraska company moved Monday to condemn more than 9,100 acres of land in south-central Kansas, marking the culmination of a decade in legal battles between property owners and a firm owned by billionaire investor Warren Buffet.

Omaha-based Northern Natural Gas Co. filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Wichita, arguing that taking the property is “in the public interest and necessity” in order to contain gas migrating from its underground storage facility. It is also seeking a court order to shut down all gas wells within the expansion area.

(So much for Democracy)

miss_kitty's picture
So?

So what? Is it Non Sequitur Day, Evet?

Yeah, we're going to help the masses. Give them them their twitter and stuff . . a nice hobby to keep them occupied.

They can . . come up with stuff . . How to get Rich giving away free apps . . Yah!

miss_kitty's picture

You know the the gas company here, a public utility, has property condemned for their purposes. It's the nature of the beast.

ronhohn's picture

... we need to raise inheritance and death taxes.


If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem

Samson-'s picture
Samson-'s picture

go figure... the rich infect both parties... shocking!

Evet's picture

Believe it

Samson-'s picture

how the democratic party handles this issue will be closely watched and monumentally important.

Evet's picture

But we got Predator drones prole.

AngryGus's picture

Obamapologists handle the extension of the bush tax cuts should also be closely watched and monumentally funny.


Cue the Kabuki....

bonsai pajamas's picture

finally someone puts an end to this beating around the bush. Surely, we will indeed eat the rich sooner or later. (I prefer sooner.) And if the Dems are the richest folks in Congress, as per milquetoast @ 08:06, then, by golly, we'll just have to eat them first. YES! Eat the rich!

The democrats will extend the Bush tax cuts! I mean have they done the right thing Ever? Oh yeah ,we all recieved a $25.00 tax cut! WOW!

freequark's picture

Obama is already meeting with Conrad and Lieberman to come up with the justification.

mikeyrstx's picture

In NY that's upper middle class, not wealth. There's people making that in a week on their investments- these are the ones who are gonna cry socialism!!(and the fools watching fox who make that in 10 years.)

karoli's picture

As opposed to the majority of Americans who are lucky to get to $80K before they're put out to pasture.

ronhohn's picture

on Youtube which shows some of what they want.

Even though McConnell says that those tax cuts will help those over $250k expand "who are not expanding now" he adds.
Rachel explains that job creation under Reagan(8yrs) was 6m, Bush I(4yrs) was 2.5m, Bush II(8yrs) it was 3m. This was with the tax cuts by both Reagan and Bush. Under Clinton(8yrs) 23.1m jobs were created. So I ask: Where are all those jobs that are created by the 'entrepreneurs' who would be hurt by letting the tax cuts expire.
Not a single repug has ever explained 'logically' how these tax cuts stimulate the economy except to say 'it's a terrible idea'.


If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem

Samson-'s picture
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Since Youtube would not allow the video, I've uploaded it here in QT. [video here]


If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

These guys are corporate whores, nothing more. I would like to see a list of their biggest campaign contributors.

ikalbertus's picture

What John McCain was saying about Bush tax cuts and repeal of the estate tax earlier this decade. Now any Democrat who makes these points is reviled. I think we really are going over the cliff.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24421

slayer2369's picture

on our news networks going on about how letting the tax cuts repeal would hurt the economy. Businesses won't money back into the economy. More regulations would be bad, too. I call bullsh*t on this. What stopped these people from creating jobs and boosting the economy when Bush was in office? They got the tax breaks, they got less regulations. Did they create any jobs? Hell, no, they pocketed the cash.

follow the money's picture

equals ...tough sh*t:

http://chattahbox.com/us/2010/02/26/gop-sen-b...

this guy has a way of putting it, doesn't he?

ysbaddaden's picture
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus

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