Ohio Republican Re-Introduces Bill Making Abortion Illegal Without Permission From A Man
Ohio Republican John Adams has re-introduced a bill that would make it illegal for a woman to get an abortion without the written consent of the biological father:
An Ohio lawmaker has re-introduced legislation that would include a father's rights in the abortion decision-making process. Under Roe v. Wade, fathers are left out of the equation when a woman considers whether or not to have an abortion that would end the life of their child.
Rep. John Adams, a Republican from Sidney, wants to change that and the legislation he introduced today, House Bill 252, would require the biological father's consent before an abortion can be done.
Adams told the Daily Reporter newspaper that abortion centers would "need to get consent from the biological father" before the abortion can proceed and he called the measure a "father's right bill" to protect the interest of fathers who are given no say in the abortion process.
He also said the bill provides for criminal penalties for women seeking abortions who do not obtain consent properly.
Ladies, don't even think about trying to find a stand-in daddy, that will land you in the slammer, and if you don't know who the father is, you're just s*it out of luck:
"Providing a false biological father would be a first-degree misdemeanor the first time, which means not more than six months and jail, and a maximum $1,000 fine," Adams said. "And on the second occasion, providing false information would be considered a fifth-degree felony."
Adams told the newspaper that, in cases when the mother does not know the identity of the father, the abortion would be prohibited. Read on...
Adams says that this is about trying to keep the biological mother and father together, which is a gross encroachment on individual freedoms. For someone who belongs to a party that supposedly wants smaller and less intrusive government, Adams would have to create a whole new bureaucracy to pull this off.
"There needs to be responsibility for actions," Adams said. "As someone who is pro-life, this is also an attempt and a hope to keep the two people who have created that child together, and I suppose if you just go back to the simple beginning, there is merit to chastity, and to young men and women waiting until marriage."
Finally, there appears to be nothing in this bill requiring the man to take care of the mother or the child once they've forced her to bear their child.
How about, if the man refuses, then the fetus is surgically transferred to the man's body, and becomes his responsibility?
Seriously, we're not far away from this capability, medically, and if we add that little rider to any proposed regulation, then the whole era of Pro Choice/Pro Life will be over once and for all.
The men won't risk having that kind of burden placed on them, and the right wing women who still want to argue against abortion will be shouted down by their betters; the superior men they must obey.
If a woman tells a man that she is protected against becoming pregnant, and they have sex and she gets pregnant, the man can tell her to have an abortion and she must have the abortion.
Makes as much sense as the bill.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
The placenta easily attached to the blood supply of the bowel within the male baboon's abdominal cavity, though the purpose of the experiment did not take it to term. 30-ish years ago.
But consider this; if Adams' mom had the right to choose when she got pregnant with HIM, maybe this debate doesn't come up because he's not born to grow up and become a wingnut.
if he wants the kid he can carry it...and deliver it!
What happens if this eight year old girl becomes pregnant?
Should she have told the gang of boys that raped her to "stay out of my womb?
If they can determine which of these boys is the father while she's pregnant (the oldest of the boys being 13) -- how do they justify giving him the final word on a potential abortion?
Since her family has now disowned her - she is destitute. If she is adopted or put in foster care - do they also have to accept responsibility for a baby?
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and it really bothers me that they are charging him as an adult. It is a sad story all the way around.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
story, as is any rape. But under this legislation she would not require the "fathers" consent. For several reasons one being rape, the other is that for a 8yr old to carry a child to term would seriously endanger her health/life.
And why does it bother you that they are charging him as a adult? When I was 14 I knew right from wrong. I could see possibly arguing in the case of date rape, ie a 14 year old boy and girl are drinking and the girl becomes too intoxicated to make a reasoned decision. I can perhaps accept the reasoning that he did not have enough maturity to judge the state the girl was in. But this was forcible rape, any non mentally handicapped 14 year old should know it is wrong.
Why is it possible to charge a minor as an adult?
The 14 year old is a minor - not an adult - by law.
A republican bill stipulating a man can not have an affair without the explicit, written permission from his wife?
Naaaahhhhhh!
he just forgoes any fucking at all.
me-oww!
Sounds reasonable to me.
Lots of good suggestions: consent for an affair-- from the wife, forgo fucking in the first place, develop the capability for men to carry a baby (that one will end this nonsense forever!!) I dig 'em all.
far left loon >.<
if the woman doesn't want the man to have a say in the fate of the child that he helped create, she just keep her legs closed and forgoes any fucking at all?
Does that sound reasonable to you?
if the man doesn't want the woman to have full say in what happens to her body, including pregnancy, he should keep his pants zipped.
However, in this matter:
Do you feel a man may be forcibly compelled to provide for offspring he expressly wishes not to recognize? Are you anti-choice in the matter in other words, saying that a woman can properly "trap" a man into being a provider for the next 18 years, in the sad event contraception was unavailable or faulty, or sabotaged, because she wishes to impose this upon him? That her choice of how to put her own body to use is sacrosanct, but his mind-body may be automatically sentenced to happiness-killing labors lasting 18 years because it is her wish?
(EDIT- On looking over TJBB's comments, he says he feels a man should have a say in the destiny of his seed after it is captured by a woman and transformed into potential offspring. I can accept he feels that way, but strongly disagree that a man may control a woman's body in that event. He seems to agree with the premise of the proposed legislation, an idea I find abhorrent and alarming. He and I do agree, however, that if a man may not control a woman's body, than she may not use his emissions as grounds for controlling his body, either.)
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"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
To me it does. I have no interest in what's between a woman's legs.
far left loon >.<
Mr. Studly do-reich, I do not need your attentions, nor do I appriciate them. Keep it all to yourself. I have no interest in what's between a man's legs either, believe me!!!
But mr. WATB-I-don't-want-my-spawn-aborted should keep his dating pool restricted to anti-choice conventions and faux-christian shaming circles. And only fuck his wife. Only after they're married. That's their rules...
That sounds reasonable, and less of a non sequitur than yours did.
me-oww!
How about the man be required to put up a $200,000 bond to ensure he pays for the kid too?
far left loon >.<
Are burqas next?
France is trying to outlaw them
Yes, the 'cows'sic, women should indeed wear Burqas because of their unbridled, raw, sexuality that poor people like ol' Mark Sanford just can't avoid. We gotta protect our white, male, empty suits. Of course a man owns a woman reproductive abilities. SNARK!!!!
...these morons acting as if this legislation has any value. In reality, this is nothing more than another lame excuse for the Christian right to impose its will on the populace as a whole. Jesus (as if) would be pissed at this obvious attempt to make the issue a political, as opposed to personal, choice.
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
It makes perfect sense when you know that the fundies' true aim is domination by males and subjugation of females.
cause they would have to agree with their positions, wouldn't they?
His scant Wiki bio says his wife bore him six kids. He also attended two community colleges which qualifies him to be Sarah Palin's running mate.
I know you probably didn't choose the wording, but I HATE that phrase, "bore him six kids". Children are not property.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
are they children. Until then, her body, her property.
I chose my wording intentionally. Verbage straight out of dominionist/promise keepers propganda. Should've indicated snark.
It should be illegal to sleep with this fristing tool.
How else can they build an army of idiots to kill brown people?
who tries to subjugate me!!!!
this whack job gets on his bill. This will be something to keep track of.
I have a feeling this bill will be dead within a matter of weeks.
The Republican Party appears to have a death wish. Imagine that there is actually a "pro-choice" women's group within the Republican Party. This kind of legislation must make them crazy!
And to think that there are thousands of Ohioans who actually put an X next to this jackass' name.
Head....hitting.....keyboard......repeatedly..........
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Baptists...and republican! A woman can do it all but be in charge or over a male!
President Carter just recently left his church because of the subjugation of women. I'm sure you can google it.
STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY WOMB! It's 2009, not the Dark Ages.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
Why didn't she tell the father that BEFORE she got pregnant?
If it takes two to make a fetus, it would seem to logically follow that it ought to require two to consent to an abortion, but maybe that's just me.
But only if.
If a woman is raped and cannot identify the "father", she would then have to bear the child?
Remember, the point of this is to keep the parents together. So what if the father is a rapist? what matters is they stay together.
Oh, and that men control women's reproduction. That too.
You have that particular about the rape wrong. If you look at the main article there is an exception in cases of rape. Its still a misogynistic nightmare.
Let's worry first about the much more likely situation, where the woman consents to sex with a husband or a boyfriend and a soon-to-be-child results?
Why is her consent everything and his consent nothing by comparison? In a world of equal rights champions, this seems to be the glaring exception.
It takes two to fertilize an ovum. From there, it's all woman.
What if the guy doesn't want the child but the woman is determined to see it through? Do we automatically rule in favor of the woman and then force the guy to pay child support for a fetus that is unwanted by him?
Yeah, because accidents never happen, birth control never fails, and sex isn't a powerful human drive that's damn hard to ignore.
Nope. Sorry. It isn't just you, but it ought to be.
What is the name of this amendment?
"Fundie Evangelical Misplaced Sperm Because Women Are The Devil's Temptresses Sent To Trap Men In Financial Support Of Their Evil Ways And Means" Bill?
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
It's the "Let's keep birthin babies because brown people are out breeding us white folks and we're really scared that we'll be the minority in a few years if we don't start making more rugrats, also we need more cannon fodder for our never ending wars in the middle east. " Bill.
Do you really believe that? Statistically minorities have more abortions than whites. By passage of laws such as this the minorities will keep "out breeding" the white folks at a even greater margin.
its about controlling women
further comment unnecessary.
further comment unnecessary.
But it takes one, the woman to keep it inside her for 9 months, have morning sickness, raging hormones, and all the other joys of pregnancy and child birth. So, while I think it would be nice to have the father in on the decision, it has to be the mother's final decision.
This guy and his ilk are beyond contempt. Why do they hate American women so much???
Assuming it was, what if there is no man to find?
STFU!!!
WTF do you think you're doing, trying to legalize any woman's body, you asshat?!
What do we gotta do to have some goddamn freedom FROM religion around here?
Bust some fuckin skulls?
I'm SICK of these fuckin hyprocritical holy rollin bible bangin ASSHOLES!
If you're against abortion, DON'T HAVE ONE THEN!!!
and... I'm curious what skeletons this john adams has in his closet... seems like whenever a repug starts pointing their finger outward like this, there's something they're trying to divert our attention from.
sick and freaky...that's how these fucktards operate.
if you don't want a baby, DON'T SPREAD YOUR LEGS!!!
That sounds really simple, doesn't it? I've never pushed myself on a woman (for obvious reasons-- see above), but from what I know, it seems men do most of the coercing and pleading for sex. They're also quick to disappear "if things go wrong", like say the condom breaks. Most men I've met consider birth control the woman's responsibility, or at least are not thinking in terms of a pregnancy when they shove their thing in!!! I know exactly what they're thinking when they shove it in, and it has nothing to do with babies!!!
I don't think that's too far off the mark (not having any first-hand experience myself.)
far left loon >.<
Forgo sex. That applies to both sexes. Once you're married you can do as you like, right TJBB?
far left loon >.<
I don't promote abstinence, I promote personal responsibility. You can have all the sex you want before or after marriage. With whoever consents to it, man, woman, the entire lineup of the dallas cowboys, or cowgirls or both. But you should take responsibility for your actions.
So you have a persoanl resposibility not to be reckless with your "seed". That's all it takes. You are in the driver's seat.
If you're not spreading it freely, there won't be any unwanted, or unexpected pregnacies, will there?
There are other sexual acts that you can perform without risking pregnancy, and they're just as fun!!
far left loon >.<
If a man doesn't want to get 'trapped' he has the responsibility to prevent that from happening.
Men need to be aware they might fall prey to criminal-minded women, ones who would point to the noble-sounding purpose of raising a child as a rationalization to initiate force against an innocent man. Because consensual sex is not force, there is no crime until force is brought into the equation by a scheming woman.
Now exchange men for women, and read again.
If anyone is "criminal-minded and scheming" then what the fuck would you be dating them for, nevermind screwing them!!
far left loon >.<
It's hard to imagine anyone being attracted to a politician.
Too bad your mother didn't heed that advice at the gangbang, you fu
cking throwback.I was wanted and planned. I'm sorry if you wern't wanted when you were a child and grew up lonely, neglected and sad. Perhaps abortion would of been the right choice for you mother/sister.
impregnates a woman, does she need his approval for an abortion?
rape victims shouldn't "punish their rapist by killing his child."
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
the /snark...
at an anti-abortion rally IIRC.
I'd love for it to be snark, but sadly no! It's serious as a heart attack.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
that's pathetic then, isn't it?! Aaaaagggghh! I want my martini now...
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
right on_exclam...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
punishes the women and the little girl, but not the rapist. He should be with the Reich-tards.
Said pregnant woman would need to provide a police report. In cases of incest, a DNA sample would be needed to prove incest. I'm not kidding.
sample would not be required, but can be used to prove incest. The same requirements for rape also cover it.ie police report, court documents etc.
they went extinct.
And I thought that Republicans were all about personal freedom and keeping government out of people's lives... I guess I was wrong. /snark off
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
their OWN personal freedom and keeping government out of THEIR lives, but for the rest of us . . .
So true. Can you say hypocrite? But he's just trying to keep people together whether they like it or not.
How benevolent of him.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
monitor, but.... I would love to wipe the smirk off this misogynist bastard's face.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
homophobia?
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Same here and I don't care who knows it.
The Patriarchal Oppression of Women Act (or POW, straight to the moon, Act).
;)
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
POW is exactly what empty suits want for 'wives'(private cows) or, goose-stepping women who know that it is their duty to provide the cannon fodder the Police State demands. This is the Inquisition, and they bad-mouth Catholics!!!! WOW!!!
have the right to force a woman can't afford a child, can't carry a child due to severe health issues, or can't or won't carry a child due to psychological pain following rape.
They are scumbags.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
bill would NOT make a woman carry a child if it endangers her life, or in cases of rape. And when my son was born I was responsible for ALL medical costs.
And when my son was born I was responsible for ALL medical costs.
That's a shame. Too bad your sister didn't keep HER legs shut.
but unlike yourself, I and most people go outside of their family/pets when looking for sex.
And risk the misdemeanor.
But seriously, it would be ok for the father to ok the termination of the fetus? So it's ok if the man says it's ok. But a mother is not responsible for her own life?
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
yeah and what if the father is her father?
Some ignorant and sexist Reslug Dickheads still live in the Dark Ages.
that everyone can get on board with:
The woman can have the abortion, only if it is determined that the fetus will turn out to be gay.
Okay, everyone happy?
Gene pool carry over?
Men lose their "choice" at the moment of insemination. While I think this guy's bill is BS, I do think a man should have the "choice" of deciding if he wants to be a father, at least financially speaking. Why shouldn't he have a voice in his future for the next 18 years? But after sex, not only does the fetus' future, but the future of the father, lie in the hands of the woman. How is that pro-Choice?
Say there's a woman, and she really wanted to have a male's kidney stone. So she gives you stuff to increase your uric acid to produce the stone. But you don't want the stone. Can she force you to put yourself through the agony and health risk for said stone just because you're more apt to get a stone? Believe me, if men were the ones who actually had to bear the children, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I'm a man and I've had a kidney stone and I'm pretty sure a full sized baby is a bit more strenuous on the system.
I think s/he means that if the woman decides to have the baby and the man doesn't want to be a father, he ought to be able to wash his hands of the baby emotionally and financially.
should a man be required to parent offspring. Or a woman be required to carry a pregnancy to term.
I suppose the MAN should of thought about that consequence before coitus! He had the chance to decide if he wants to be a father right before he sticks it in - if he doesn't want to take the risk, then he should forgo the pleasures of sex. period.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
`Cuz she might trap `ya.
What's in your wallet?
THAT is the decision point - after that, and until a man carries the baby - STFU! Further, I know of NO woman who would ever WANT to have an abortion! - and FYI they happen in nature - its called a miscarriage. What happens if you miscarry??? This twirpy pathetic reich wing worm is abhorent.
Isn't this the same argument the anti choice people make? "If she didn't want to have a baby she should have kept her legs closed"
Why yes, it is.
if men could get pregnant by something added to the water, and they started getting pregnant, abortion clinics would offer free services, be open 24 hours, they'd make a latte for you while you wait, and throw in a free vasectomy as a bonus.
and a coupon for free socks!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
You're exactly 3 letters away (and an underscore) from identify theft.
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
was declared the winner, I was working as a sound engineer for a major production show that opened the weekend after Thanksgiving.
We were in rehearsals that night, and the christian movers and shakers who were in charge were spitting up. One of the lead singers said, "well, now that Clinton is going to be the President, abortions will be done in every 7-11".
I quit after the show.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
But delivery isn't the hardest part. Carrying a baby for nine months in very uncomfortable and should only be done if a woman really wants a baby. There are side effects and life threatening complications. There is about three months of morning sickness which can last most of the day. Then there is the weight gain which is very hard to carry around. Your back and feet hurt. Your feet grow. I got carpal tunnel syndrome from the swelling. You double your blood volume which is hard on your heart. Sleeping is very difficult the last trimester. The heartburn is constant. The fatigue is overwhelming. I got so anemic even on iron and vitamins that they had blood on standby for delivery. Your bladder is never the same. Delivery feels like passing a bowling ball. The episiotomy scar is irritating. And I had a good pregnancy.
I wanted the first and I wanted my second but I can tell you that I wouldn't go through it if I didn't want children. No one has the right force an unwanted pregnancy on a woman.
I can get behind!
Of course...it's alllll about getting behind!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
When a man chooses a sexual partner, he should keep in mind that he is in fact not choosing a mere partner for intercourse, but the potential mother of his child.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
if he isn't prepared to be a father with a woman, then he should really try to keep his sword in a sheath.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
sage counsel to my son...
...that "the bitch trapped me!"
I taught my son the same thing, actually my daughters too.
Anecdote: Bible thumpers, anti-abortion people, and others spread their messages outside our local grocery store on occasion. My son and I were approaching the entrance when a woman walked up to my son and started asking him for his thoughts on the issue of abortion.
One of my proudest parenting moments followed his response, "Ma'am, I do not have a uterus, and I will never be pregnant, so I do not have an opinion regarding a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy."
My boy! ;o}
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
my dad's advice to me, was "don't get her pregnant, and don't call me from jail"...
was to have unprotected sex. After that he has no 'rights' and get the hell out of my reproductive system, DAMN IT!!! Could I force a man to have a vascetomy???????? Like bloody hell!!! They scream if they have to wear a condom, weak little bastards.
be the woman's choice to have unprotected sex also? Except in cases of rape.
How about if the woman choses to have unprotected sex, they stay the hell out of my wallet?
If the $$$$$$$ is so important to YOU, then it is your responsibility to protect it, not hers. The only way for you to protect you f**king wallet is to make sure, damn sure that you don't have unprotected sex.
ability not to have a child is so important to YOU, then it is your responsibility to protect it.
I have never had sex with a retard who wouldn't use a condom, not ever, in 66yrs. But, again, if sex is about $$$$$ for you it obviously is, go find a whore.
Mentally retarded people are doing their best. Count yourself fortunate if you were endowed with an IQ over 100.
sex is not about money to me, sex to me is about love and recreation and at times reproduction. I'm just curious about your point of view. If a woman decides she doesn't want the child, the man has no say so. But if the man doesn't want the child, too bad he still has to support the child. When both of them had equal participation in the act and equal responsibility for the outcome.
if money is expected?
If they play with fire they might get burned. Period.
That means if the woman becomes pregnant she might take a pill and flush the zygote down the john. Or she might have the baby and give it up for adoption. Or she might have it and abuse it. Or she might have it and be a wonderful mother or marry someone else and let them adopt it. The options are endless of what a woman can do.
Or here's one: she might have the baby and end up going to the District Attorney and legally force a DNA test and the guy will pay what ever the court tells him to pay for the next 18 years whether he likes it or not. He doesn't want to pay? That's okay. The D.A. is great at taking money LEGALLY out of bank accounts and denying the man the right to renew registration on his car.
Buyer beware I say. If I were a guy I'd use spermacidal jelly and 2 condoms and make sure the condoms got tied in knots and flushed down the toilet.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
for the adoption, that does require the fathers consent. Including if the mother marries another man. At least in my state. And if the mother is abusing or is otherwise a unfit mother the father can file in court for custody. I did.
And shouldn't smart women realize that they are playing with fire also?
And if I were a woman and didn't want a child I'd be on birth control, use the jelly and make sure the man wore a condom and checked it for holes before use and use the rhythm method and have the man use the withdrawal method. All of them except for the last the woman can have control over. And while yes she could still get pregnant(at least theoretically) the probability of it is so low it might as well be non-existent. And if using those options aren't enough you could always add in a IUD and a diaphragm.
She'dThe `bitch'll trap `ya! SNAP! 18 Years! BURN!Unprotected sex is a gambling casino, you take your chances, most of the time you 'win' but,not always. Men think women need to protect them from the obvious outcome. How dumb is that???
Then make sure your wearing a condom.
This is nothing but more pandering to the non-Religious, Reslug fringe wacho's.
He also said the bill provides for criminal penalties for women seeking abortions who do not obtain consent properly.
Fine, then prior to engaging in sex, a man must obtain consent properly. In writing and notarized stating that the man acknowledges that pregnancy may occur, and he accepts full financial responsibilty for any resultant child born of the union. ;o}
(Kind of like the rape statute in New Jersey that says consent to sex must be obtained clearly and freely. Both parties have an affirmative duty to obtain consent.)
From the linked article:
This troubles me, two people SHOULD NOT allow the birth of a child to form the basis of their relationship. Just because you had sex with somebody it doesn't mean you want a long-term relationship.
Maroon.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
...want a long-term relationship."
Or maternal/paternal emotional/financial responsibilities, for that matter.
Men plant their flagpole on my beach for whatever tiny amt. of time, and try to claim the real estate.!!!! It is predatory, then, they even think it is up to them to make 'decisions' about a woman's body. I had a one nite stand with you that doesn't entitle you to anything at all. It's like male animals pissing to claim 'their' terroitory. How about presumptious, condencending, predatory, inappropriate, totally out of touch, immature, irresponsible, why, we've hit on it IRRESPONSIBLE the code word for male domination.
It is wrong to claim ownership of a person's body and time. If I had a one night stand with you, it doesn't entitle you to to anything at all. Yes, that would be p., c., p., i., t.o.o.t., i., i., the subjugation/domination of one individual by another via their plumbing and unjust laws.
If men could get physically pregnant, abortion would be free and available at your local CVS, no questions asked.
it's the damn truth.
Saudi Arabia or something.
...as to the contents of your womb?"
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..be thrown out of office, he should be tarred, feathered, and sent one a one-way trip to San Fransisco on a busload of feminists..
..be thrown out of office, he should be tarred, feathered, and sent one a one-way trip to San Fransisco on a busload of feminists..
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