Operation Rescue's Randall Terry Is Sorry Tiller Didn't Get Proper Trial And Execution
By Logan Murphy Monday Jun 01, 2009 4:30am
(h/t Scarce for video)
Following the brutal slaying of Dr. George Tiller, Operation Rescue released this statement:
“We are shocked at this morning’s disturbing news that Mr. Tiller was gunned down. Operation Rescue has worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see him brought to justice. We denounce vigilantism and the cowardly act that took place this morning. We pray for Mr. Tiller’s family that they will find comfort and healing that can only be found in Jesus Christ.”
And now the group's leader, Randall Terry has released this Rally the troops video to all anti-choice advocates. In the above video he calls President Obama and pro-choice politicians child killers, and proclaims Dr. Tiller to be a mass murderer, who "reaped what he sowed," but voices regrets that the slain doctor wasn't able to "get things right with his maker" and that it was unfortunate that he didn't get a "trial of a jury of his peers and to have a proper execution."
This is one sick, twisted individual. To deny that hateful propaganda like this could incite someone to violence, is just plain dilusional.
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Maybe a 5 billion dollar lawsuit, the loss of non-profit status will wipe the smirk off this assholes face...
any different than another version that we're currently fighting in Afghanistan?
Same tactics, different deity.
randall terry is part of the amerikan taliban and should
be brought to pay for the inciting of even more
of these atrocities. this is the same as yelling
"fire" in a theatre. perhaps a sentence of years
doing penitence larry craig style in prison will help
his god forgive him.
The Catholic Church opposes not only abortion, but also capital punishment. Disagree with the church if you must, but at least it's consistent on favoring life for all. But because Terry favors capital punishment, you could say he is not a real Catholic.
I wonder if he joined the church just so he could get real Catholics to join his misguided efforts. I wish he instead were working harder to reduce the need for abortions.
And may I say, this man is not pro-life. He is anti-abortion, but does not favor giving life to death-row inmates or abortion providers.
I've always said that the pro-life movement is misnamed at best. How can you possibly call yourself pro-life while supporting the death penalty and war? They need to change the name to anti-choice or at least anti-abortion because that's the only type of death they are against.
Put a lien on him, just like the Southern Poverty Law Center did to the Ku Klux Klowns? Sounds like a great idea.
If somebody were to make a serious investigation into the finances of Randall Terrorist, Pat Robertson and all the other extremist godfuckers, I'd bet my life savings that there was at least one such group that directly funds domestic terrorism, if not most of them.
If you disagree, please explain where James Kopp and his wife got their money from while living on the run in Europe. No doubt the money came from the same people who helped him plan the assassinations.
And you're most likely right!
Rumsfeld?
He better take that comment back. That cold bite him in considerably more places than just his ass. I hereby invoke the "law of three" with respect to Randall Terry. Anyone who knows what that is and cares to join me, jump in.
If so, I heartily agree.
his organization was wiped out by a lawsuit once already, and then they just filed bankruptcy (Terry kept most of his possessions in his wife's name) and kept on going.
It's time pro-choicers started volunteering to give personal security to Abortion providers. If the religious nutbags are willing to kill, they should be willing to be killed as well.
and awards of punitive damages are not generally dischargeable in bankruptcy. If he is sued and loses again, this one could destroy him and his group permanently. His wife may be seen as conspiring to defraud his victims.
Not sure how this post got tagged that way. Jesus Christ had nothing to do with this.
Really.
They believe that every word in the Bible comes from either Jesus' own mouth or by way of God... so yes, Jesus has a lot to do with it. We must teach our own people that the Bible is not factual and that it was meant to teach morals and ethics to the ignorant. Once a person is old enough to understand science and logic then we must teach the truth, not old wive's tales.
Very well said!
Jesus had nothing to do with it - really. These people love only the superstitious vengeance and fear-mongering in the Old Testament, then they skip right to the fear-mongering wierdness of Revelations.
It's all about fear and rage for them. No Jesus in there at all, no matter how they profess to love Him.
Jesus has nothing to do with this slaying.
It's Bible via à la carte. You get to pick and choose which passages you want to adhere to and what situation it applies.
How can you ignore the old testament and all of the old laws when Jesus claimed he was God? Does Christianity have more than one god?
Just what in the hell the holy spirit was anyway.
How many gods does a monotheistic religion need anyway?
If you trash talk the holy spirit, he trumps Jesus and you go straight to hell. Mark 3:29
It's a good thing to admit up front when you get missionaries knocking on your door.
that jebus ain't perfect huh...
Blaaaaaspheeeeemer!
Because Jesus said that he came not to destroy the law (the Old Testament, according to some translations), but to rather fulfill it. -- That's where people get off track because they misinterpret that particular verse. (Matthew 5:17-19) It's all part of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.
Thus, some people think that it's perfectly okay to ignore some parts of the Bible, because it doesn't fit with their lifestyle.
Christianity doesn't have more than one God, but they way the talk, you think they do. The best way I can explain it, and it offends a great deal of people for me to share it this way... However, Jesus is like the avatar of God, much the same way that Zeus took on a human form or one like one of the many Hindu gods that took on human forms. (There's another Hindu-Christianity link...)
once, who had converted while in prison. I asked him why Christianity hadn't worked on him the first time, and he told me this: "God loves me. God knows everything I will ever do. God forgives me for everything. So, I can do whatever I please." I asked him if being sorry wasn't part of that equation, and he walked away from me. That pretty much sums it up for these people, doesn't it?
Son of God, Child of God, Brothers and Sisters, .. maybe he was trying to get the notion across that we are all sons and daughers of God- that would make a lot of sense from many perspectives..
My pukha Hindu friend, Subanna, often commented on his high esteem for the Sermon On The Mount. I can't imagine one of the Taliban of this world speaking those words.
In a spiritual sense, we are all the Sons and Daughters of God. We are last temple of God.
We don't need a temple, church or a religion to worship God.
as in, "Jesus Christ!!! I can't believe these mofos buy their own bullshit."
I'm sure the gun nutz and the Republicans will have Congress push legislation that allows concealed weapons in church..for protection.
Operation Rescue's Randall Terry Is Sorry Tiller Didn't Get Proper Trial And Execution
That's because he's pro-life.
To these people the difference between abortion and the death penalty is just a matter of timing.
And it is totally lost on this fool that the reason he never got a 'trial' is because what he was doing was legal.
n/t
For too long, the "mainstream" churches have tolerated hatemongers like Terry, and now his hate has bled right into their narthex. Below is what I sent to the ELCA this AM. I propose we all do something similar.
Sirs:
The next time you are wondering why your congregation is shrinking, consider this: I stopped attending my church because my pastor refused to speak out against the rising right-wing extremism in his own congregation. On an national level, your leadership has shown similar cowardice in the face of fundamentalist attacks on gays, women, liberals, Muslims, Jews, and even Catholics.
Now one of your parishioners has reaped what you sowed; paying with his life for your inability to stand up to the modern day pharisees who use God as a money making scheme and justifier of their hatred and violence. These people are not Christians in any sense that Jesus taught. You must denounce them as such or you abdicate your responsibility to your congregation and country.
With sincere sadness.
Well done!
So, it's the PASTOR'S fault some lunatic shot Dr. Tiller? The ELCA'S? Was the shooter an ELCA Lutheran? Even if he was, how would blaming the pastor/church not be the same as blaming the victim?
The shooter was not ELCA, as far as I know. _I_ was ELCA until my congregation started talking like dittoheads. I looked to the leadership, both local and national, and saw no effort to quell the right-wing extremism either inside or outside their ranks. Then they bought into the whole Rick Warren Purpose Driven thing, and I was through.
And yes, I do think the ELCA and other mainline Christian churches should be held accountable for their tacit approval of the hate speech that brought this tragedy to their doorstep.
You know, the French had a terrorist bombing problem in the '70s, and it turned out that the explosives were being sold in Algiers by French companies.
Silence is approval.
Here's a clue, if they're flying a flag behind the altar, next to a crucifix, there's a problem. If they don't get why nationalism and religion should not be intermixed, there's a problem. If they're selling their congregation on who they should or should not vote for, there's a problem. If they claim moral superiority over other religions, there's a problem.
It's a quick slippery slope from there to telling the congregation that they have the right to force - either legislatively or violently - their beliefs on lessor members of their society - and anyone who disagrees with them is inherently less than they are.
And those who disagree but sit by quietly are complicit.
and the church were NOT the victims. What is wrong with you? Have you heard the saying, "When good men do nothing..." Look up the rest. It can only serve to expand your mind.
Sorry he couldn't get right with his maker? He was in CHURCH when YOUR BUDDY MURDERED HIM numbnuts. These people are sick and really need to have their nuts stepped on.
I'm with moondancer. Sue them into oblivion. Terry is just a grand kleagle in a $2,000 suit.
These people do not have nuts. Nor balls, testies or even a dick.
They are self-procreation. Like fluk worms.
if you are a right wingnut
I think his statements and whatever they found on the "suspect" were why Attorney General Holder ordered the U.S. Marshals to start providing security to abortion clinics around the nation and to doctors who request it.
but didn't the Bush Admin. under John Ashcroft, pull that protection?
at abortion clinics is not enough, seeing as how this doctor was assassinated in a church.
They need to protect the doctors and their families, not just the clinics.
Maybe the FBI needs to start taking a look at some of the rabidly pro-life churches. If they aren't already.
...the former DA of that county who'd failed to prosecute Tiller years ago on a technicality?
Randall Terry = POS
former DA who won the KS Atty Gen by running against Tiller...
And Kline would also be the AG who couldn't hold his office when he came up for re-election, against an opponent who basically campaigned to do the opposite of everything Kline had been doing. Kline lost, hands down, running on his record.
Guess there are a FEW people in Kansas with some working brain cells. Now, if we could just get rid of Fred Phelps....
I can't bring myself to fathom the sort of thinking involved in that quote. To me it comes from some other world other than the one we humans live in. The twisted logic there is just unimaginable to me and probably many others. How can one speak like that and be deemed sane?
Randall Terry needs to be segregated from society. I read a comment today that blames the murder on...wait for it...Obama. The reader feels that extreme liberalism pushes good christians to the brink. The last abortion doc murder happened during a democratic administration etc.
I'm waiting for someone to blame the Clintons.
You know it's only a matter of time.
Oh there are already wingnuts claiming that this murder was somehow engineered by the Obama whitehouse to smear the right wing...like OKC bombings were engineered by the Clinton whitehouse to smear the right wing. Since, you know, it's SO coincidental that the last two democratic presidents have had domestic terrorism happen under their watch. OR...of course, you could just assume that whenever there's a dem in office, the right wing nutjobs get antsy and just have to kill somebody. Occam's razor and all that.
I'm gettin pretty damn tired of these rightwing nutjobs.
They're the American Taliban.
They're terrorists, plain and simple and they need to rounded up like any other terrorist.
9/11 was planned by or allowed to happen by the Bush administration?
how that applies to this topic...
and besides...the jury's still out on that one.
I put that in because in the comment I replied to was this
"Oh there are already wingnuts claiming that this murder was somehow engineered by the Obama whitehouse to smear the right wing...like OKC bombings were engineered by the Clinton whitehouse to smear the right wing"
So...then 9-11 was engineered by bushco to smear the left wing?
We all know 9/11 was to justify the war in Iraq, and Cheney did it. He did it to allow Halliburton, and subsidies to make billions so when he cashed in his stock options that he wasn't supposed to keep when he became VP, he could become extraordinarily wealthy. Duh. Wait a minute...
Nailed that one savannah43
I've never believed that. I think that anyone who believes the gov't is ready and willing to kill that many innocent people to make a point really should be afraid enough to move somewhere else. If you think your gov't might kill you, maybe you should move. Even people who loved Germany got the hell out when they saw the way things were headed there.
government, right? Bush was appointed by a conservative Sup. Ct. in '00, and Ohio completed the fix in '04. But I agree with you when there are no fixes.
I would rather stay and fight for my country to return to the rule of law.
How long will it be before one of these extremists yells "Praise the Lord!" and detonates a vest full of explosives in an abortion clinic?
they'll set off explosives remotely...
Remember, this act was at a church, not an abortion clinic. They are escalating.
They claim to be religious and then they murder someone in a church?
Been thinking that if we were to give this arrested individual some
enhanced interrogation (we do know that his partners are getting ready for another murder) that after 100 or so waterboardings he might tell us that limpbough and o'whinny were his partners in this murder. if he does not tell us that, waterboard him some more.
I wrote a bit about it today.
"Pro-Life" until birth. After that, you're pretty much on your own.
Why does everyone blame the Tanach for the harshness of Christian teachings? There is no hell or damnation in Jewish scripture and your relationship wih G-d is based upon what you do, not what you believe. There is no original sin or a Devil. All people can be righteous regardles of their theology. Personal (versus ceremonial)sins are always redeemable through tshuvah. The only sin at all expiable by sacrifice in Judaism is false witness. By contrast Christianity largely requires human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism. I don't get the blood fetish myself.
An eye for an eye; If thine own hand offends thee, cut it off. It's not about the Tanach, it's a bloody, violent Christian perversion. And it has nothing to do with Jesus.
Neither does xtianity, really.
and hasn't for around 2000 years.
I have a "bible" that only contains the words of Jesus. Nothing else. No Old Testament superstition, no New Testament justifications for the abuses of the new church they were trying to grow, no Revelation Hallucinations; just the words of Jesus.
Those words bear little or no resemblance to the so-called Christian churches of today that the Right-wingers flock to.
Ever notice that when one of these so-called Christian clowns, like Terry, quotes Scripture, they never quote Jesus? They always pull something, usually out of context, from some other part of the Bible, but they never quote The Man.
There's a reason for that.
Ever notice that these so-called Christian clowns, the ones who are always trying to shove their rules down our throats, are always from the same right-wing churches? These are never Episcopalians, Unitarians, Quakers, etc. It's always the freaking Evangelicals.
And the Evangelicals are the multi-level marketing scheme of religion. They demand that their members go out and convince other people to join, or they aren't "good" Christians. They sell a product that no sane person would buy unless coerced. And they promise that the more their followers sell, the more exponentially their own heavenly "wealth" will grow. And their followers never seem to notice that those at the top cash in obscenely at their expense. It's God's Golden Pyramid Scheme.
The evangelicals are like door to door Amway salesmen.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Great summation. I'm bookmarking this reply to quote from later. Couldn't have said it better.
They are using Christians as an excuse rather than a deep belief. These people may call themselves Christians and they can call themselves anything they please, but that doesn't make it true.
Something about not trusting those who make a show of their faith?
When I was a little girl my parents sent me to Sunday School. In Sunday School we almost completely studied the New Testament. I am in no way a religious person but the lessons I learned in Sunday School have always stuck with me and I am grateful for that. I don't know if Jesus was real but the lessons in the New Testament are real to me and I believe have made me a better person for learning them. What was done to Dr. Tiller cannot be in anyway justified by anything Christian or not.
on the matter of faith:
"Treat your faith like your genitals: Keep 'em zipped til somebody asks."
There already is one, "Opinions are like assholes (sometimes underwear), everybody has one.
Everybody doesn't have underwear, trust me.
Everyone has one... and most of them stink.
Mon, 06/01/2009 - 06:53 — roooth
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:5 KJV
Matthew Ch. 16 'By their fruits you shall know them.......' savage, war-mongering for profiteering, greed, cheating, lying, torture, assinations, anarchy, disregard for human life, etc..........those are their only fruits. Jesús would only say, 'I never knew you'.
to ask the cable news shows why they have continued to give hate a microphone.
Everytime they feature a hate-monger like Terry, or Donohoe, or Coulter, or Rush, they help promote more violence against us by these domestic terrorists.
It's long past time to hold the media responsible for their role in promoting violence against Americans.
Wasn't it just last month that the right went into a frenzy because of a Federal report warning of the danger to us all from right-wing extremists?
Didn't the media immediately shift from the focus of the report - which was the fact that these lunatics are dangerous - to reporting all the right-wingers' unfounded complaints that the report was just Obama attacking them, even though the report was from the Bush Administration.
Weren't they all screaming that the report was an attack on Christians and veterans?
Will this fall down the memory hole, or will the media be faced with their complicity?
and I have started our own little awareness campaign for merchants that we patronize or are thinking about patronizing. We are in the process of looking for a car and my husband walked into the Findlay showroom in the Galleria Mall in Henderson, NV. A gentleman approached my husband and said, "Can I help you?" My husband happened to look up and noticed that they had Fox News playing on the television in their showroom and told the gentleman, "No, I don't buy cars from businesses that are playing Fox News," and left, leaving the salesperson rather speechless. Hopefully that starts to send a message that Fox News is poison. It may work, it may not, but people that want our business are going to know that we don't tolerate it.
This book should be required reading to all so-called Christians:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-...
Most of the Bible is phony.
Most of it is. Mainly concocted by men who thought it was their Divine Right to dominate other people, and couldn't control themselves. They took a good thing and twisted it to suit their purposes in helping Constentine in contolling an empire. It's called Propaganda.
he should be stalked and fear for his life on a daily basis.
It was Jesus that put a gun in Mr. Roeder's hand and forced him to kill Dr. Tiller. People don't talk much about Jesus's dark side, but man, he's a killer.
You think he got famous from preaching love and goodness? Right. He always had them hookers and babes around because chicks love a bad boy. He recruited guys with no future into his gang. They had blood initiations and threw signs and operated out of a room above a social club. Why don't people see this?
I'm sure there are a whole lot of Christian people out there that deplore this act and this would be a great time for them to get together to denounce this group and others like them.
Feelin some optimism this a.m.? ;)
Good morning right back at you.
Nope, honestly I feel sad as hell this morning. This shooting really got to me and I just feel sad for the family left behind and for the women in that state who will no longer be able to get the help they need from Dr. Tiller. How many will suffer now because he is gone?
as usual...
Especially when one stops to consider that fewer medical students are choosing to enter the OB/GYN field.
"Too many OB/GYNs are unable to practice their love for women all across this country."
or something like that.
That was one of my top 5 favorite Bush-isms.
I wouldn't get involved in anything to do with OB/GYN for a variety of reasons. Too litigous!
Ratzi, the Nazi, wants to compel every pregnancy to term. Their purpose is to coerce women into delivering children.
it's not an accident that the more dominant militarism is in any given society, the less tolerant the society is of abortion...
any militarist society usually does when they get control is take away the rights of some part of their group, usually the women.
Conservatives ask why don't Muslims who deplore terrorism speak up?
But they don't do the same with these talibaptists.
Maybe we can make it up to Randall Terry and hold a trial and execution of the guy who shot Tiller and maybe we could impison Terry as an accomplice. Or at least for inciting an act of murder.
..........exactly does the 'new' hate crimes bill actually do??? Does it have any teeth at all????
When it seems like it might be a good idea to put police and metal detectors outside churches, you know our country is in a world of hurt.
I don't understand....kill someone because you don't like their occupation? One that happens to be an OB/GYN who helps women who MAKE THE CHOICE not to have a child?! I'm sure the Dr. will meet/has met his maker LONG before this Randall Terry ever does; 'cause his maker is Satan himself!!
Terry reaches Heaven and found that Tiller made it there as well.
That's a variation of an old joke: The Baptists are going to be really upset to reach Heaven and find that the Catholics made it as well.
is a domestic terrorist, anarchist, and unrepentent criminal.
He is an enabler and apologist for murderers.
He is a blight on the planet.
These pastors usually find out that coincidentally, GOD believes exactly what the pastor thinks.
It's not as though GOD is going to call bullshirt on them....
interesting that God always tells these fuckers exactly what they want to hear? Never anything like: Give all your money to the poor; create a shelter for the homeless; Get out of this profession, you're a hypocrite, etc. It's always something very self-serving.
This guy is a terrorist and that is how we should respond. Any people speaking like this from the Pro-life movement should be considered terrorists. This was a hate crime pure and simple!
Besides I am sick and tired of seeing their pictures at the sides of the roads.These pictures are NOT the reality of most abortions. They use freedom of speech to traumatize young children who are in those cars driving by. This is terrorism!
They can get a booth at the college campus fair where children are adults and try to convince people if they want. But stop terrorizing us on the streets. It is sickening!
When you kill someone for this cause or think it is right you are NO LONGER Pro Life.
I just heard a doctor on tv who was a close friend of Dr. Tiller. He said that this is terrorism and that we don't have to go to another country to find terrorism, it's right here at home.
Wasn't it just last month when that report came out warning about domestic violence and terrorism from the Right-Wing extremists in this country?
And didn't the Right-Wingers start screeching like stuck pigs; howling that this was all about Obama picking on them and attacking vets, when in reality it was an accurate description of the danger these people pose to all of us?
And didn't the media obediantly shift away from the reality of the report to doing what the right-wingers wanted; questioning the political motivations of Obama, even though the report was written during the Bush Administration, and ignoring the history of domestic violence by Right-Wing terrorists?
Now, are we going to see days of Randall Terry and his ilk spewing more violence-inciting hate with the help of the "liberal" media or will someone, anyone, in the media bring up this report and how accurate it actually was and how maybe, just maybe, we should start doing something about the Randall Terrys who are a danger to us all?
Most of those pics are likely pics from d&cs after miscarriages. Of course, a post-miscarriage d & c (meaning the fetus has died in utero, and the mother chooses to have it removed rather than let it evacuate on its own) is legally considered an abortion. But that little nugget is usually left out of anti-choice propaganda.
It is coercion.
They want to COMPEL every woman to carry their fetuses to term.
It doesn't matter if it's Randall Terry or Ratzi, the Nazi.
It's coercion! And coercion ALWAYS requires the threat of violence. It cannot succeed without the implicit or explicit threat. This killing is nothing less than act of terrorism, a political assassination.
unless we let them. They are actually pro-slavery; they will never be satisfied until they can legally control other people.
Our side should always call them what they are: slavers.
I turn around and say, "Obama's a LADY killer! That is one good looking brotha!"
It confuses them on so many levels.
"We pray for Mr. Tiller’s family that they will find comfort and healing that can only be found in Jesus Christ.”
Waddya think they were doing in church, sphincter spelunker?
It's really too bad, this guy would have made a wonderful late term abortion.
fucking right wing christian domestic terrorists
At what point can we start fighting back (an no not violence) without 70% of liberals bending over backwards to defend the religious lunatic fringe in this country? How many more people have to die?
and we may be forced to defend ourselves with violence.
I hope that isn't necessary, but if these terrorists leave us no choice.
I won't lose sleep over it.
we get a report from the Bush Feds saying that these people pose a danger and the media kisses the Right-Wingers' butts to apologize for even reporting what the report said, and our side let them control the conversation again.
Enough already.
Dig that report out again and take another look at it.
The Wingers are arming themselves, and working themeselves into a lather. We can't afford to ignore this.
I would hope that someone in the media would ask the great Sarah Palin aka Caribou Barbie about her thoughts on the slaying of Tiller. She seemed to not want to call these types of acts terrorism and the people who commmit them terrorists in a TV interview during the presidential campaign last year.
that North Korea claims to have a missile capable of reaching 4000 miles, presumably to Alaska? If it is really accurate...
Vigilantism is some idiot's misguided attempt to enforce the law without the assistance of the police. This was not an attempt to enforce the law, because Tiller did not break the law.
This was murder. All the talk about missed trials and executions is nothing more than an attempt to confuse the issue. Are you going to let them confuse you?
Maybe someone ought to send them a dictionary with "vigilante" highlighted.
It does go to show their mindset though. If they saw it as vigilantism, then they think that somehow the Laws of Man do not apply to them.
volunteer citizens that without authority take on themselves powers such as pursuing and punishing those suspected of being criminals or offenders. One has to ask, offenders of what? A religious belief? Traffic laws? Manners? I need a better dictionary, I guess. I think the best phrase is domestic terrorists.
Has anyone else besides me tried to visit the Operation Rescue website? The page doesn't load. Either the website is overloaded with traffic or Terry has ordered his minions to remove some content.
I am firmly pro-choice and find the tactics of 'Operation Rescue' and suchlike groups completely deplorable.
That being said, to paraphrase Noam Chomsky, democracy is when the person whose opinion(s) one detests has an equal platform to air his/her views.
You can't have it both ways people...sorry.
There is no freedom of speech for people who incite others to riot or commit acts of violence or terrorism.
there should be.....and everyone should have the right to call their ideas for what they are and walk away from them.
like i said, ya can't have it both ways...i realize its tough sometimes, but.....
You're wrong. There is no freedom to speech when your words cause others to riot or violence. Because it's a crime is why guys like BillO and Limpballs are so careful about what they say. They are very subtle because they know they walk a fine line between free speech and inciting violence.
A number of recent killings by right-wing nutjobs have been apparently influenced/caused (?)by the 'words' of O'Reilly and Hannity, and the writings of Jonah Goldberg. Should we take away their 'freedom of speech'.
I'm no lawyer, but think about it.
must the same thing be explained to you?
When said speech causes the death of someone, it's NOT protected speech.
Geeez!
You know for a fact that there are hundreds, if not thousands, who heard, continue to hear and agree with the opinions of guys like Terry, and who don't go out and commit violent acts.
some who do. And you know how unhinged alot of their listeners are.
Remember the shootings at the Unitarian Church?
Rightwing fanboy did that.
There is a pattern here prebytis.
The rightwing propaganda machine is ramping these people up for something.
And this latest assassination is part of it.
that there a few too many of these "isolated incidents" happening lately.
Are you saying that everyone who hears hate speech has to act on it or it doesn't count?
that's total BS
and you know it.
No actually I don't...this hits right at the very meaning of 'freedom of speech'.
You think it's perfectly okay to yell "Fire" in a crowded public area, where there is no fire, and there's a chance that someone could get hurt in the process of the panic.
I'm going to exercise MY freedom of speech and call you out as the concern troll you are.
You're defending these instigators?
The people who constantly use lies, misinformation, and coded language daily to rile up their listeners and viewers, who don't, by the way, have the capacity to think for themselves.
Yeah...lemme know how THAT works out for ya.
Let me bring up another example....Bill Ayres and the 'Weather Underground'. The bombing actions of a few (i.e. the Weather Underground) unfortunately had a very significant negative impact on the actions of a large majority (the SDS). I'm sure the leaders of the 'Students for a Democratic Society' used inflammatory (and in my view, justifiably so, given what we were doing in Nam) speech, but only a few individuals acted out their feelings in a violent manner.
So, what you're saying is that the actions of Group B, had a negative impact on Group A, but "only a few individuals acted out of their feelings in a violent manner."
Thus, any group can say what it wants without fear of reprisal if another group commits a violent act based upon the words (or works) of the originating group.
Thus, if a group or individuals that say kill some people, and another group actually does it, the originating group cannot be held responsible if someone else did the work.
I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around that bit.
Actually, the 'Weather Underground' was a splinter group of the SDS. What I was trying to say is that the actions of the WU should not have impacted the justifiably inflammatory and impassioned speeches/words emanating from the SDS. Unfortunately, detractors of the SDS used WU actions to smear, caricature, and undermine the SDS.
Words don't equal actions, is what you're saying.
As long as words are words, it's okay. However, if someone takes those words and do something else with them may it be violence, or vandalism. The original source of the words should not be held responsible for those actions if committed by another.
Kinda like "Don't do as I say, just listen to me and take no action."
Good call.
You and I have probably heard inciteful and hateful words/speeches in support of causes we believe in. Though we understand where the intensity/passion emanates from, we choose to ignore the suggestion/hint of violence and instead act out our support for the given cause via lawful means.
But don't you think those that use such hateful speech should be held responsible to some degree, if someone uses those words and resort to violence or vandalism?
Did anyone ever hear the theory that the apple in the Garden of Eden story represented speech?
They won, anyway.
SDS I mean.
ever kill anyone?
Did the SDS ever call for people to be killed?
You're comparing apples to oranges here.
for this to come full circle and for the connection of Ayres and WU to Obama.
and we're talkin trifecta!
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