GOP Astrobirthers Threaten SEIU With Armed Attacks At Town Hall Meetings
By Logan Murphy Saturday Aug 08, 2009 7:00amThe Service Employers International Union has vowed to help stand up against the GOP backed Astrobirthers who are being sent in to disrupt the town hall meetings of Democratic members of Congress. Since the union announced it's intentions, well-funded right wing groups and media outlets (see Fox News) have orchestrated call in campaigns accusing them of plotting violence against them -- one of the calls (audio and transcript in the video above) contained a not-so-veiled threat of armed violence:
One of the country's largest unions has been hit by a wave of hostile calls and even death threats from people upset with its involvement in town-hall health care debates.
The Service Employers International Union was, as one aide put it, "deluged" with calls on Friday after several conservative media outlets accused the organization of trying to assault demonstrators who had showed up to protest Obama's health care agenda. Making it even scarier for union employees, the address of the union's St. Louis headquarters was mentioned on air by conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh.
Callers who reached both the front desk and the communications department compared the union officials to Nazis, union aides say. On Twitter, organizers of the town hall protest urged people to take pictures and write down the license plate numbers of attending SEIU officials. More alarming than anything else, angry callers and protesters pledged to take up arms against the union. Read on...
I believe the time has come for Attorney General Eric Holder to get involved. Right wing violence is on the rise in America and the threat of bloodshed at the hands of a Fox News/GOP inspired extremist at one of these town hall meetings is real possibility.
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.............with Brown-shirters. GAG The Brain-dead lurch, and twist in their failing 'party' death throws.
case closed.
Whose stern impassioned stress
A thoroughfare of freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!
!!1!1
That version of the event seems to be arguable.
In case any of you out there aren't aware, Milquetoast has tried recruitng folks here to join in on the teabagging in the recent past.
The video doesn't show who started it. We're suppose to take the astrobirthers word? These protest are fueled by lies and chances are the accuser is the liar.
...who was the "attacker" gave his reason for attaking as...
and I quote..."
"He attacked America" ...and he is thusly guilty of a hate crime.
[That video is off topic in this thread. Do NOT post it to a thread again in which it is NOT the topic in the thread-Sitemonitor]
You forget how to link?
...I dont have short snippet for you...you'll have to watch it again...
exept someone deleted my comments and the video I posted...
I knew what you were linking from the URL. You weren't exactly breaking any news by linking it.
When he said he attacked America the meaning could be, by attacking a union member he attacked America. Without the beginning of the video we'll never know the truth. But the video does show the teabagger stomping on the union member. It seams like he was the aggressor. Also the guy in the white shirt in the middle of the video was all over the union member.
The video shows one of these guys lying on the ground being stomped on by Tea Bagger brownshirts. Why are you guys so proud to post it?
I was there, I got threatened and I wasn't wearing a union shirt!
Read this link for a play by play of what I saw.
http://crooksandliars.com/driftglass/open-thr...
The two union guys that got busted in St. Louis were harassed by the teabaggers from the minute they got there. Even the cops were nervous, they had their biggest and baddest St. Louis County Police Officers there. If you see the vid there is a bald cop with a mustache, he is the LAST guy in St. Louis you want to fuck with. I know him!
There is an old African American proverb...
"Don't start nothin' won't be nothin'!"
But union members have been on the front lines of the battle against the forces that try and hurt working men and women for many years. The video is accurate. I would not call the union guys "thugs" I would call them weak.
I walked when I was going to lose my temper, they should have too.
The SEIU presence makes sense.
Union members are working class people who could benefit from health reform.
Before Medicare and Medicaid, Unions offered help with healthcare to their members.
BTW, that townhall meeting was supposed to be a discussion on the elderly/aging, not health care/health insurance reform.
in fact they want gramma to die, so they can blame it on the black guy.
That one is also going to gas kids with Downs Syndrome and cerebral palsy, too. What do you think those internment camps are for?
/snark
the oddest thing is that a gov't run single payer option will help management/owners also, as it will reduce responsibility, improve productivity by increasing the health of employees, and eliminate the costs of managing employer provided health insurance. I am forever fuddled.
I can only imagine what those calls must have sounded like. "Whudderyu commanists doin? Ahm gunna kill yew if yew show yer faces down to mah townhawl meetin..."
It sickens me that there are "people" that are encouraging this sort of behavior even more than it sickens me that there are "people" doing this sort of behavior. They don't just hate 'Merica, they despise 'Merica.
... Ya'll :P
It's time to make a serious attempt to identify people like "Diana" and hold them accountable.
Oh, and "Diana" you aren't America (though I suspect you are Amerika).
http://rightsfield.com/wp-content/uploads/200...
If so, then I want Diana all warm and snug in my arms as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuTbB-d12A0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AKycxKtHLo&fe...
Nah, here voice was to deep.
It was traced to official Repukes and their IT people, but almost nothing came of it, IOKIYAR.
Fucking jackboots.
Bringing civility and decorum to the public venue.
fill the void he's created by lack of leadership. Created by being to busy bailing out Wall Street and Finance obviously.
It was an SEIU guy laying helpless on the ground in the beginning of the video.
He almost did get literally treaded on by the unruly bought mob.
The white guy in the white shirt and blue jeans seems to be the instigator of the actual violence.
. . .
then meth and cocaine.
then the bible.
Big Pharm is cramming down their throats.
All the crap in the fast food they be eating.
If an Islamic charitable group in Richardson can be arrested and tried twice (first was a hung jury), and convicted to prison for years because they "financed" terrorism
Isn't it time dick armey was arrested?
I will gladly go to the wall to defend everyone's right to free speech. The problem is, what the insurance companies and their media allies are doing is malicious and inciting violence, both actions of which are not covered by the 1st Amendment. Fox News should have their license revoked by the FCC and Rupert Murdoch should have his citizenship revoked, all assets seized as profits from illegal actions (inciting violence) and deported back to Australia.
I don't think citizenship status can be revoked
Maybe only resident alien status
I am not sure either, but it would be nice to know for sure.
http://www.newcitizen.us/losing.html
pick an offense that upsets some Bushco/neocon type.
It actually looks like "naturalized" citizens can have their citizenship revoked: http://www.newcitizen.us/losing.html
I bookmarked that.
That is a bad precedent.
If one could define a state as a corporate person, than that could provide precedent where they could either secede the US or have their state hood revoked.
I can see Murdoch lying to a Congressional committee. He'd be booted out under #6.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/7/763227...
Gladney is a Member of the St Louis Police Department.
When the local police are in league with the brownshirts, and deploy agent provocateurs to stir things up.
Exactly what happened in Germany back in the late 20s.
Keep in mind the old "Agent Provocateur" slant...
Thu, 08/06/2009 - 09:33 — Truth_Critic
... Alright, I just had a re-lapse. ;)
... we don't have to go to 1930s Germany, when up to a few decades ago... more often than not, the local sheriff in many places in the South also moonlighted as the president of their local KKK chapter.
The whipping of the middle class to go against their own interests using race-bating is as American as apple pie.
The home grown conservative domestic terrorists are doing Bin Laden's bidding. They're killing innocent Americans and trying to tear America apart. Bin Laden is pleased with their handy work.
I suspect what happened had nothing to do with any kind of flags, but an unruly gang was blocking the door of the townhall meeting where people were trying to get in and out, and the SEIU was trying to clear a path for them, and that white guy I mentioned probably then decked the one union member we see laying in the street.
It's an old-trick of the anti-abortion groups.
Odd the cops only arrested black guys.
In AmeriKKKa !? surely not.
I take you were jesting, right? ;-)
is wanting bad things to happen so they can usher in the NWO at this point.
Now violence is brewing in the streets across the country and Congress is on "Vacation".
all the shots being called by the ultra super rich and their too big to fail Corporate Lackey's underneath them.
Only right wing conspiracy theorists think anyone is trying to "usher in the NWO".
NWO?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u3vwajQ-FY&fe...
?
He's puffy and white, would that make him republican?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_loG8AQKtY
He's attracted quite a following of tinfoil hat wearers but there is some overlap between them, the birthers and the deathers.
Given that Obama is half black, I am surprised he did not warn of NWA coming straight out of Compton and all... ;-)
What does Hulk Hogan have to do with this??
And incitement to violence is a CRIME in every state and on the federal level. They need to arrest and charge everybody from Limbaugh to Palin. If Eric Holder cannot bring himself to enforce the law, clearly we need a new AG. Incitement is NOT "free speech" as has been decided over and over again.
and pretend it isn't happening at this point.
Three were arrested for "interference", simply trying to photograph a victim. I haven't heard that any of the actual instigators have been arrested
That would be a start. They don't have to remove him, that would be suppression of free speech etc, but slapping a large fine on Faux would send a message and moderate the spewings from Faux.
Last night Washington Week in Review seemed to be dismissing it.
One guy even went so far as to suggest, so what if someone is organizing them, they're attracting people who seem to believe in their cause.
Funny thing, that's the same defense the KKK uses when one of their members is accused of murder. We can't be held responsible for what some of our members do.
It's a shame when I think of Gwen Ifil in the same light that I view Tweety.
But it wasn't Gwen Ifil moderating, but John Dickerson of Slate.
I was unaware.
To cut them some slack, the news may be a little too new.
The "sponsors" of Washington Week told me everything I needed to know about that waste of electrons. A more evil group of corporate swine could hardly be imagined. I like Gwen as a personality but honestly, it's just a show of stenographers talking about what they've steno'd during the week. Useless.
Martha Raddatz (?) is a regular, and she's taken multiple troops to Iraq.
Is before you can bust anyone for that and have good chance of getting a conviction is that the speech must be some causation between the speech and some action. That's why there isn't much they can do against this "Diana from Oregon."
That said, I don't know how the hell Glen Beck's spaziod ass isn't on trial after that shoot out between cops and the Beck viewer who thought they were coming to take his guns away.
Whose only crime in this, (apart from their losing streak), is to have fake grass and now, therefore, this fake outrage named after them. Never fear Astros! I'm no fair weather fan.
...in the Astrodome in the first place: Real grass couldn't make it. The teabaggers can't make it on their own, either.
(And, I hate to tell you this, Maggie, but I can't take the 'Stros seriously while they're playing in their new
ballpparktheme park- this from a guy who's ball team has a park with a ferris wheel and merry-go-round. At least our distractions are out of sight from the seats.)it only feeds them and justifies their insanity and then the Wing Nuts win.
to reason with these people.
If you could reason with Republicans there wouldn't be any Republicans.
I'm ready to FIGHT...P.Travers
I've been following this nonsense for weeks on talk radio , and these GOP idiots deserve a good thrashing.
Seriously.
And on a related subject , why does Glenn Beck still have a job , or a pulse for that matter after calling the POTUS a racist????
The next hobo smirking Beck spits on as he passes him, retaliates.
without anyone's help.
The Republicans have long alienated LGBT and black Americans and recently, their approvals among Hispanic voters have gone from 14% to 3% just since Sonia Sotomayor's nomination. Now Jewish groups have become infuriated with all of this casual bandying about of Nazi and Hitler references. I genuinely believe that there are forces in the GOP who are systematically trying to kill it as a party. Maybe they want to start over, maybe they are terrified of what it's become but nobody, NOBODY interested in winning elections can believe this is a good strategy.
the Hitler and Nazi references include all the brownshirt comments on this site?
The only way to beck is his advertisers, and major advertisers are leaving.
The trouble is major advertisers are leaving ALL TV including cable, because they think their audience is on the internet.
It's the same thing killing newspapers.
Local law enforcement could also ensure that order is kept and if they won't, maybe it's time to utilize the hate crimes statute (using Obama's race as the basis since they're carrying all those horrible racist signs) and try the offenses in the federal court system.
Obviously not.
The only reason to compare Obama to Hitler and Democrats to Nazis is to encourage and sanction violence against them. The Justice Department should have gotten involved in this weeks ago. It's all leading up to a violent tragedy that's sure to happen.
is apparently more important to the Government then getting on top of this before it get's out of control.
I also blame Obama for not putting something tangible out there. It doesn't have to be a complete policy (the Clinton mistake), just features he wants to see and features he doesn't want to see.
together and rushed. This is supposed to be a blueprint for the next century.
Of course the real problem is the addiction to Short Term profit.
Problem with that schema is that's only if there is any actual hope of a bipartisan bill, otherwise it's a chimera.
The last attempt at healtcare reform was 1993, 16 years ago; how much more time do they need?
And next year will be another Congressional election, it be nice to have something done with healthcare so it doesn't just become a political football or tin can down the road.
more than 4 decades in this country. It is just that it has never gone "our way" and people have not been paying attention. That is how we have ended in the current situation.
THis is... healthcare reform is nothing new, at all.
Frankly, Obama is making the same mistakes as Clinton: too much triangulation. And his message has been mixed at best, thus putting him in a pretty precarious situation now that the lines start to be drawn in the sand. Pragmatism is not a good thing in politics, period. I got a chuckle when Obama supporters praise him for that...
I voted for Obama to lead, not plead.
Suggests that those who support health care reform and who are trying to have a legitimate public discussion of the issues should organize MORE TOWN HALL FORUMS TO SHOW WHAT IDIOTS THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT!!!
I agree with her.
I say keep Holder out of it.
There should be a police presence and lots and lots of videotaping to show who the loonies are. This is the best way to put the final stake through the heart of the Republican Party. Let them make complete arses of themselves.
The only problem I see with Collins' thinking is that the main stream media shows up and seems to slant things for the 11 o'clock news that make Jane and Joe Teevee Watcher think that MORE Americans are "against" health care reform rather than the opposite!
All of what we are witnessing gives us absolute proof that corporations are running this country. They have most of the Congress, and even Obama is making "dirty back room deals" with big pharma; corporations absolutely control the media and they are behind the astroturf organizations that are doing all the robo-calls to get the right wing loonies out to the forums for the purpose of killing health care reform.
Maybe it would be better to lose this round on health care since even the "best" outcome will be a watered down version of what there is now with MORE profits to the for-profit health insurance corporations.
Maybe we need to work on pushing Single-Payer H.R. 676 and try to vote in a Congress who will back it.
Then it can be brought up again in two years and there will be little resistance.
You know why? Because Obama will have been proven correct. The cost of health care as it is now will be a major contributing factor to our country going bust.
We DO need reform in health care that will control costs. But any of the legislation that is being floated now (especially if Baucus/Grassley get their way and there is NO Public Option), will not come close to controlling costs the way H.R. 676 "Medicare for All" would.
Here's the link to the Collins article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/opinion/08c...
And then the Becks and the Limbaughs and the Malkins will disavow any responsibility and it will somehow be Obama's fault. Racism isn't rational though.
Democrats are trying to get us some kind of healthcare, whereas
Nazis stormed hospitals and gunned down the elderly and sickly.
All these uneducated Reslug terrorists need to be rounded up and deported.
whatever it is they need to be blissfully happy.
If that's even possible at this point.
What do you need? Beer? TV? Just say it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGJGTjV2WE
...of the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing - I said outloud for all in my office to hear, 'Thanks Rush, you sonofabitch, I hope you're proud of yourself.'
These bastards have been beating the drums of hate and ridicule for so long now it's hard to say just when it started. The other thing we have to remember is that they are the ones that are hording AK-47s and ammo, so when the fight really gets started, we're gonna be out-gunned for sure, unless the 'law' comes out on our side - then again, I live in Georgia, so it's not at all clear just whose side the 'law' would be on.
We're talking doomsday shit here, but regardless, I say 'Bring it on!'
I have contacted the Texas Democratic Women, the Texas Tech Democrats, the local CWA, the local Carpenters Union, local AFL-CIO, local Asbestos Workers union and the local Eletrical Workers Union and encouraged them to show up at our congress critters town hall on 8/25. I so hate sounding like all the dip shits on Fox Nation but I guess we have to fight fire with fire.
and you're absolutely rights. In fact, there's no way in Hell that right-wingers should have been the majority (if they were) at the Austin town hall. Not with all the "liberals" in Austin, not to mention the summer school crowd at UT.
Start a fight - then complain you got attacked.
That's been the strategy from the outset.
The TeaBaggers, the Birthers, the NRA-incited gun nuts, the Health Care Reform TownHall Disrupters ..
.. and that's exactly what happened in St Louis ..
One big setup.
Only way to deal with it is effective law enforcement.
Bring out the National Guard.
Today.
What they tried to do in Skokie Illinois back in the day.
...to the poster complaining that Obama hasn't given the public a specific plan to debate, please understand - and whether right or wrong - the 'plan' is to have the two houses of Congress come to some sort of agreement on their versions of a healthcare bill, then resolve the issues in a Conference Committee where the real, and final, resolutions and decisions are made. Remember, it's like watching sausages being made, so just be aware that we'll all have ample time to decide if we want what they come up with or not. Meanwhile, we make sure we tell all our 'friends' that the shit they keep coming up with about the 'plan' is pretty much just that - shit.
The problem is without some kind of framework, those of us who support healthcare reform are attempting to support a policy that doesn't even exist yet, and whilst the confusion continues, thusly does the milieu of mêlée.
"I believe the time has come for Attorney General Eric Holder to get involved. Right wing violence is on the rise in America and the threat of bloodshed at the hands of a Fox News/GOP inspired extremist at one of these town hall meetings is real possibility."
Logan I agree fully. . . the Republicans lost the election, they have lost the majority, they have lost their direction and they have lost their civility.
The repuke dogs are showing their true contempt for the common citizen that just wants to live and let live. Instead of moving to become part of the process they rather destroy our nation. Instead of reaching out with helping hands they want to beat the sick and injured into the grave for their corporate owners. Is this another example of "Compassionate Conservatism" I can't have it my way so I'll just destroy the efforts of the majority by destroying the country from within?
Repukes are the lowest form of life on the planet. Please flush.
Lost the election and resorted to terrorism.
Time for law enforcement.
They are the American Taliban if there ever was one.
I have a feeling the DOJ doesn't do republicanz - like they have a special arrangement or something. Something's going on.
It's not so much the fascism and crimes of the Republican party, it's more the cover-up by the MSM, the DOJ, the Congress, and even it seems sometimes, the administration. that's what gets me. If it wasn't for MSM and DOJ complicity, we could put the Rethuglican party behind us, once and for all. Every sign indicates that this is what's needed for the country to move forward.
Toss Glen Beck in prison for inciting violence and watch how quickly they calm down, and if they don't, toss a few more.
there is a danger of turning him and scum like him into martyrs. The thought of that makes me sick.
Ya, speaking softly, without a lot of hand waving is the best approach.
The men in the white coats will be along to pick up Beck soon enough.
then after a nice long holiday he can go back to being a dad and a DJ.
But first he will have to wear a muzzle so he doesn't fall back into self induced dementia.
I could find Beck like this. (Warning: creep alert)
http://anythingspossimpable.files.wordpress.c...
... and their fellowship, for whom wish we'd abort this current bill and usher in a revised one, they can relate to. They believe it's not right for them and accordingly, it's not right for them who support it.
Democracy be damned... Non profit organizations, yeah OK. :-/
Oh, they're PAC-in alright!
...[ http://stlouisteaparty.com/ ]
And the "St. Louis Post-Dispatch"
[ http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories... ]
Snip - From the T/P site:
1. Gather together with the other Tea Partiers outside about 30 minutes before the doors open. Pray together for unity, strength, reserve, dignity, and peace. Pray sincerely that our legislators choose the right path.
2. Commit to refrain from shouting. Pretend you’re in church. We’ve gotten their attention, so normal tones will now work.
3. Smile often and at everyone.
4. Do NOT offer to shake hands with anyone you don’t know. The SEIU has trained its agitators to accuse you of assault if you stick out your hand or take theirs.
5. Commit to winning Claire McCaskill over to our side. Be nice to her–she really has been cordial to us. We must leave a door open for her to enter. We don’t want her to vote for socialized medicine just to spite us.
2. Commit to refrain from shouting. Pretend you’re in church. We’ve gotten their attention, so normal tones will now work.
3. Smile often and at everyone.
That would be nice. Now if everyone just thinks before they speak, everyone can have a good time while they all form a fresh opinion based on what they've learned. Everyone will listen intently and wait until the meeting is over before drawing any conclusions about health insurance policies. even the crazy people.
meanwhile i guess the borg will be outside smiling and praying...
Is that like "smile and prey whilst you slay the infidels"?
I can only imagine what people around the world are thinking as they see and hear the actions taking place at the town hall meetings.
Try to visualize all the news clips in black and white. It looks like what used to take place 50 years ago in the South.
All in the name of . . . health care?
nope, just health insurance as far as i know.
As crazy as it all is, i have a feeling the despicables are going to loose this one.
Who doesn't want more insurance options?
Ok now I'm seriously thinking about taking an "insurance policy" when I go to one of these town halls.
This "Diana from Oregon" just made nothing less than a terrorist threat. As we've seen with that shootout between the Glen Beck fan and the police because they guy thought that they were coming to take his guns away, it doesn't take much more than words to incite a right wing retard into violence. Considering that the brownshirts are almost exclusively made up of such right wing retards, I question how safe these meetings are becoming. Especially in places near predominantly right wing areas like OC. I've run into people there that just parrot right wing talking points. Just how much would it take to whip the average right wing retard into violence.
Am I worried, yeah a little, am I going to let that keep me from going? No. All I know is, I'll be by the door.
This is just totally childish - the caller is just repeating back words she has learned about her own party - she's way behind the train. They can't even come up with original criticisms, so they say the equivilent of "i know you are, but what am i?"
I noticed she threatens the use of violence, while supposedly denoucing violence. which is is lady? are you confused?
But, even though she fails at any political message, the threat of violence has been issued. now we wait. Hey, i hope the FBI takes a look at what she is up to next.
Let me get this threat straight.
Stop the violence or we're going to shoot you?
It's "Stop defending yourselves against our violence or we're going to shoot you."
yep.
It's a classic right wing tactic- they give themselves licence to be thugs by claiming WE are the thugs....
Michael savage claims everyone on the left are bigots, which in his mind makes it okay for him to voice hatred for gays, immigrants, blacks and women...He feels he is not a bigot- only liberals are bigots..
Don't waste your time debating a right wing conservative on the details of American history, or what the Founding Fathers meant when they wrote the Constitution...
The right are *proud* of their ignorance (look how they glorified the idiot Joe the Plumber, how they reject evolution, etc).
This is all about the right taking America back for the white man...
They want a race war...
If they can't win, no one wins? Is that it?
Conservatives like to boast how they want to fight and kill (such as in Iraq); but few if any will actually enlist....
Right wingers are at their core bullies, and at the heart of every bully is a coward-
I'd wager most of those on the right threatening to use violence wouldn't have the balls to carry it out...
These right wingers are all talk...
If the Republicans want to hurt others at the town hall meetings, either by slapping or by shouting down, turn the other cheek. They may not stop but the conflict will belong to them - it will be all theirs to own, pay the consequences for, and reminisce on.
It's about time the left grow some balls and back bone and stands up to these lunatics , psychos and dumb asses , if Obama , the Dems and the justice department won't ... we must . These " people " are getting away freely with far too much , they are dangerous and it's high time we the majority , decent , rational and sane people , Americans , come out of hiding , show our selves , put them in their place . Obama and the Dems biggest weakness is that they have no back bone and no balls and no cohesion , it's party history for cryin out loud , they won't get aggressive and stand up , fight back , but they shrivel up . Obama can't even come out and tell it like it is point blank but tries not to offend the assholes , hell he is still trying to be inclusive and bipartisan ! WTF ? Like apeman wrote this is the American taliban , domestic terrorism and their mission is to sabotage the President and the country and in fact take it over ,just turn the other cheek you say ?
Boy the opposition is good. This lunatic twat just made the argument the democrats have failed to make.
Once direct links are established Fox programs incited violence and can be proven, they should become evidence in a legal fight to strip Fox Network from its FCC license to broadcast. Next, we strip Murdoch of his purchased U.S. citizenship and boot him out back to Australia. The Simpsons will find welcoming arms in many other networks.
By Logan Murphy Sunday Jul 27, 2008 2:45pm
[ http://crooksandliars.com/2008/07/28/tn-churc... ]
PS. Thanks to technology, this fundie just put herself and her affiliates, in the radar-zone. [FISA] isn't all bad ya know.
I'm seeing these events being spun like a top to create anger against people who are afraid of what the government is doing to our country. I, myself am very afraid of a government who digs a hole, throws us in and then declare that THEY have the only way out. I applaud the people who are making themselves heard but I know that the only way to end this nightmare is to get ALL of the trash, out of Washington. They keep putting the same people into office and then expect them to improve. DAH Between the inaction of the Republiclowns and the actions of the Demoncrats, America is dying. Wake up lemmings and REALLY create a change, that ALL Americans can believe in. Not the Obama scam that is more like a coup than anything else. Wake up before it's too late. It may already be too late. I wonder if the internment camps will have AC and cable TV? I guess I'll find out.
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