The Chris Matthews Show: Obama's Problems Will Come From The Angry Left, Not Republicans
John Amato has blogged about this and this clip from this week's The Chris Matthews Show is proof positive that the progressive blogosphere must be smart about picking battles in pushing a liberal agenda for America. Let's face it, you and I and the rest of the liberal blogosphere have been right more often than not and certainly exponentially over the Villagers that populate The Chris Matthews Show. But they're not ready to give up their coveted place at the table, and certainly not to upstart bloggers who don't have the decency to take them at their word any longer.
So to those oh-so-wise Beltway bobbleheads, we will be the "angry left" that Obama must marginalize in order to have a successful presidency. It won't be the Republicans with their bag of obstructionist tricks, ones of which WaPo's Ceci Connolly doesn't even have memory, that give Obama a hard time, it will be us, the "angry left." We are the ones to not give Obama a "honeymoon period" and we will be the ones fighting him as he attempts to execute his agenda.
Sigh. Do anyone of these chuckleheads ever consider that the reason the left has been so "angry" for the last eight plus years is that what we've said and what we've valued has been criticized, dismissed, sneered, condemned, denounced and our characters attacked? Of course not. And when the nation shows that they have awakened to what we've been saying all along and announced with their vote that they want to give the left a shot, we're still criticized, dismissed, sneered, condemned, denounced and our characters attacked because we might like to see some people actually reflective of our values in office.
Good to see the open minds of the Very Serious Villagers remain. Would that they would be so condemning of those who have been so very wrong all this time.
Transcripts (courtesy of Heather) below the fold
MATTHEWS: But those kinds of issues that brought really bad news to a lot of, we had the Clinton administration with all the brain power they had and they had a lot of brain power, they were stymied. Right, David? All of the sudden they got the gays in the military hit them right between the eyes. They didn't want to bring it up and it came up as the first issue.
IGNATIUS: They ran into the wall of cultural politics, wedge issues right in the beginning. You want to think, I want to think that one of the lessons of this election season is that the politics of division don't work. That one of the things that hurt McCain and Palin was that they were just too divisive and the country's sick of that. And so you'd think, you'd want to think the Republicans would get that message and they’ll be more careful on these wedge issues that that's going to be less important going forward for the Republicans than it's been.
KAY: It's very hard in this climate to see people getting as exorcised about gays in the military as they did in 1992. I just can't...
CONNOLLY: Well it may not be gays in the military but I guarantee you there are going to be hot button issues that are going to come up. You're already seeing some of that agitated.
[crosstalk]
MATTHEWS: If we try to put up the trade walls, are we going to have a fight on labor issues like this card check thing, about being able to organize individual decision making rather than a big voting election kind of thing. Those kind of issues can really, as you say, could divide the Democrats, right?
CONNOLLY: Absolutely but here's the key to this: Rahm Emanuel, Chief of Staff. What did he do when he was in the House Democratic Caucus? He often was the person who had to break it to the liberals in that caucuses that things were not going to go their way.
MATTHEWS: Who's going to break it to the blogosphere? They don't like anything that looks like a give to the right. Where are they doing to be on this thing? Are they going to give him a break if he doesn't go hard left and doesn't do what they want?
WHITAKER: I think that Obama has to worry as much about the far left as he does about the far right. But look, you know I think that it could be a plus for him in some ways because I think they are going to give him what you might call a “Sista Soulja moment” when he can stand up to them.
MATTHEWS: Right.
WHITAKER: And talking to some veterans in those early Clinton wars who think that particularly this issue of the card check push by the labor unions to change the rules on organizing could be a moment for him either by delaying that, standing up to the unions, of positioning himself more in the middle and making it harder for the far right to position him the way they tried to during the campaign.
MATTHEWS: You see that, David?
IGNATIUS: This is where the economic crisis, you know, ends up being crucial because people are angry. The country's furious and a lot of these really divisive issues I think will come from the left, not from the right and they'll come from unions, from working people who are enraged at bailouts for big banks and wealthy executives and the pressure on Obama to check some what he'd like to do on the economy I think is going to be very strong from angry people.
MATTHEWS: And you say the left is going to fight anything that looks too conciliatory?
IGNATIUS: You can, it's been obvious now for the past few weeks that the anger in the country is working its way through Congress and it's, the bailouts might make sense in a macro-economic sense but they're increasingly tough politics.
MATTHEWS: Bottom line, we asked the Matthews Meter, twelve of our regulars given the mountain of problems he faces will the right give Obama a longer than usual honeymoon. Our panel is always filled with cockeyed optimists. Eight say yes he gets a longer honeymoon from the right. Four say no, Katy you're with the optimists.
KAY: I am. I'm not sure I'm cockeyed but I am probably an optimist. I think for all the reasons that we've been saying about the mood in the country and the desire to get things done I just don't think that the right at this particular juncture can be seen to stymie an economic agenda in particular. I think that they have to give him the benefit of the doubt for a period of time.
MATTHEWS: Okay big time. Will the Republicans get out of his way and not use any obstructions to stop from getting through a big economic package once he gets in office.
KAY: I think they'll give him...
MATTHEWS: No procedural tricks.
KAY: I think they'll give him three months.
MATTHEWS: Three months.
WHITAKER: Six months.
CONNOLLY : I don't think they've figured out that kind of procedural trick.
MATTHEWS: [laughs] You know what I mean. Filibuster, all kinds of ways to slow the…will they use those tools to slow him down?
CONNOLLY: Doubt it.
IGNATIUS: No ,the Republicans will help him out on the package. His problem is going to be with the left, not the Republicans.
Fuck the Mainstream Corporate Media. They are failures. They've failed us, as citizens and as a country. Fuck 'em and their made up relevance. Time for us to stay strong and demand the changes and maintain our role as active committed citizens. Duh. Onward.
Chris Matthews is an idiot and a loyal Republican. All this guest are out of the loop. Must are still in shock over Obama winning. When a show has all the people talking like idiots it time for NBC Executive Zucker to make a change. Matthews must know he's not going to be working for NBC much longer. Chris is batting zero and the hits just keep on coming. First it was his racist comments about Obama early in the Primary. It's been all the time attacks on both Hillary and Bill Clinton. Now Chris a world class racist has not only a black President but Hillary as Secretary of State. If that wasn't bad enough now Brother Bill will be sent overseas by President Obama to handle the Pakitan/India conflict. Chris is no longer an insider to the White House as he was with the Bush Administration. David Gregory who loves his best friend Karl Rove is out. Andrea Mitchell who did her part in spreading the fake stories about Iraq and knew if she testified at Libby's trial she would have be busted with her crimes while working at NBC. Pat Fitzgerald knew Andrea did her part but he was after the big fish Dick Cheney. Andrea can't even use her lying husband Alan Greenspan anymore since he got busted for fixing the Fed so the GOP could steal while Alan drew out his money and transfered it overseas. Greenspan even knew the dollar would drop in value so he long before it happen changed his currency to profit.
Why don't you media hacks stop making up controversies that don't exist? Or are you really that hard up for ratings? Slow news day, maybe? Then find something more redemptive to do---like shutting your mouth if you can't make a positive contribution to our national dialogue.
You asinine Beltway clowns really are too full of yourselves. Get out in the real world for once and learn how real people think and live instead of arrogantly degrading your profession with your boastful and opinionated tripe.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
I'm no lefty, I'm just an angry old bastard who just whitnessed 8ys of shit and glad it's almost over. But corporations own the MSM and they hate lefties; people who support Buy Nothing Days and such are anathema to them for obvious reasons. So lefties will always be the enemy no matter what; even if they may be right about many subjects that the right never got.
If Obama gives in to the GOP, his problems will indeed be from the left...and the center of the country.
But so far, bloggers have been (perhaps overly) generous in giving Obama the benefit of the doubt. To call bloggers "far left", as one of these empty suits did, is simply devoid of reality.
the RIGHT give obama a honeymoon???
hell, he's not even prez, and some are calling for a divorce!
definitely trying to assert their "seniority" and "authority"!
"just WHO does he think he IS?!"
When I come out as a radical Marxist, then you will know I am REALLY angry.
The spectrum of political discourse in this country is between right wing and ultra right wing.
It is absurd, really.
Obama is a right winger, but that will never ever be good enough for the lunatic fringe.
They will want to impeach him at their first opportunity.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
These guys could work on the Pat Tillman case. The domestic terrorism case of the Anthrax Attacks. And the numerous other investigative journalism cases that need to be looked into and I'll start to begin to consider to respect these losers again. This will have to occur before I even consider these people as competent journalists.
Competent journalists? Is that the notion you were entertaining?
They are models and actors. Pretty faces that look good in suits. That's all.
The producers are the only ones that might have some journalism capabilities. But they are held in check by the management and the above empty suits.
Don Henley had it right.
The country's problems will come if Obama caves to republicans.
It happened to Clinton. Obama needs to study the 90s and Clinton's errors of caving to the right.
Clinton didn't cave to the right , the democrats didn't standup for him..
The republicans war machine was after Clinton from the time he won the election..
They were really p... off when he beat Bush in the election , because they believed Bush Sr. was a winner...
It has been the republicans we have been electing on our democratic ticket which has caused democrats the problems we had..
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How I wish they would do these (ignorant) opinion pieces in front of a live audience. I'm sure hilarity would ensue.
My local TV station reported the other night that Tweety was running as a Democrat for Arlen Specter's seat in 2010. His brother ran for state office in 2006. Chris may not be our first choice as a Democrat, but remember he was at one time aide to Tip O'Neil. I'd see him as more of a Blue Dog, than as a Republican that's been suggested (above). That's not to say I like either category.
Considering he's got no where to go but down on TV, this would be a good move for him--if in fact it's true.
If you remember Chris was quite a help for the Bush/Cheney administration in the beginning when it counted for them...
Looks as if Chris has half .... jump on the Obama bandwagon for support if he runs...
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David Ignatious is trying to play the old divide and conquer game with Democrats and Obama hasn't even taken over the country yet. What an annoying mosquito, somebody needs to squash. Squash one though and more show up to try to mess up the liberal agenda these pests may fear, but the country needs.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
Liberals needs to invest into owning more news media... The news media has used the liberals and democrats as a whipping board for over 15 years to make them a nasty name when ever said..
If you remember the republicans used their news media to attack John Kennedy and any Kennedy they could , while they built Reagan into a hero.. Reagan had the most corrupted administration in our history until Bush Jr. came along..
Bush criminal activity started when the election which was stolen for him and continued at a more rapid rate ever since..
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I agree 100% - but you know it's hard to have opponents that make sense, have an intellect and generally know what's going on in the world - it must be hard for those knuckle draggers.
Reading your post brought up issues to do with conservationism. In Australia, as it was in other parts of the world, years ago when you wanted to take action to save the rivers (from logging, pollution, etc), you were branded a 'greenie', which was supposed to make you feel bad... you were a 'commie', a tree dweller or some other c r a p - but now that all the trees are cut down and the salination we talked about for years has taken hold of the rivers in Australia and the place is drying and cracking up, there's pundits all over the place suggesting how to make things better.
They didn't listen then and they're not really listening now. We listen to them drone on and on and on... it brings to mind the story of Nero fiddling while Rome burnt...
Thus far, this is what I am seeing from the Angry Left (commenters here), sans the fact that Obama has actually done anything yet. Every thread here in the last week and a half has been just that; Honeymoon? Not hardly. Left giving Obama a hard time? Check. Infighting about everything and anything Obama says or whomever he selects? Yup.
The GOP is pulling on his right arm and leg and the people on the left not willing to actually see what he will do are pulling equally, if not harder, on his other half.
One Democratic victory...which gave us, what? Well, since he isn't in office yet, nothing. And already we are eating our own. We don't need Tweety or the other bobbleheads, we have us.
cannabalistic already. and the oath of office has not been taken.
tyree comes to mind.
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that i am not an obama bott only means im able to use my gray matter for something other then a place to hang my baseball cap from! you botts tell me obamas not in office yet so no one has a right to bitch, maby it would help you to remember obamas crawfishing on fisa , the patriot act, habius corpus , ect ect, hes voted more with the repigs then he has against them and look at the boobs hes filling his cabinet with, i sometimes suspect obama could squat over the heads of some posters and take a huge dump on them and theyd say thank you very much, may i have another helping !!!!
I would say that the distinction between "constructive criticism" and "eating our own" is pretty f*cking big.
Obama is not/should not/and will not be exempt from criticism when his actions demand it. We are not lock steppers like the right. Which may be our handicap.
However, let's be clear... if anyone has been thrown under the bus, thus far, are us liberals since Obama has named NOT A SINGLE liberal for his cabinet up to this point. Which is not the same as what some of you are implying: that liberals are throwing Obama under the bus.
He ran on a platform of "change" from the old DC way of doing things. And the first thing he does is appoint DC insiders to his positions. Which I particularly think that appointing those who created the mess to fix it is not a particularly "bright" thing to do.
What I am saying is basically this: I am f*cking tired of being told to "shut up and wait and see" whenever I see something that is obviously defective taking place.
I was told to shut up regarding the piss poor campaign of 2000. I was told to shut up about the war. Against told to shut up regarding the piss poor Kerry in 2004. And on, and on, and on... Well, maybe some of us are tired of being proven correct after the fact. What about using some preventive criticism before something gets f*cked?
And, please... also refrain from using the crappy excuse that Obama is so much smarter than us mere mortals, and he has some kind of master game plan that us small people can't fully comprehend. OK?
excellent post.
when it comes to the dems, 'fool me once', comes to mind. keep quiet and watch the dems move further to the right.
for me, this is not about trying to undermine/weaken obama. i know there are those that think any criticism, anything short of a full bow, is somehow unacceptable and unthinkable. i find that pathetic. and any respect i had is tossed out the window.
the establishment will pull obama further and further to the right. and unless the self-professed liberals/progressives/left pull him from the other direction the dems will continue to be the GOP-lite.
Couldn't agree more with both Tyler and Samson. If your position is so weak that it can't withstand any critical observations then maybe it's not the best position to have and could use some modifications.
Once again the left has been on the giving end of all "compromises." When is it our turn?
[NB: I pre-stipulate that I realise Obama has not even been sworn-in yet.]
Now the right wing media is trying to put the left in their place , which for the news media is out the door..
Once policies and action have been set in place , like the patriot act , war in Iraq , spying on American , stealing money from our treasury , assaulting our constitution and democracy , it is hard in not almost impossible to get our laws and values replaced.
Where is the assault on Bush's Criminal activities which has caused this destruction to our country and now his final assault on our environment , food safety as he sneaks out the door..
Tell me why isn't the true enemy of our country not being attack.
The right and so called center right are the ones and their policies which have been rejected by the American voters . Yet the news media and others are making it sound like they have been the ones assaulted for the past 8 plus years..
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We are waiting and at the same time getting ready to see if the statements coming from the democrats and Rahm Emanuel are correct..
Statements like not investigating Bush's administration criminal crimes against our constitution and laws.
The statements of leaving the tax breaks Bush gave to the corporations and wealthy instead of cutting them when he takes office.
Rahm Emanuel policies have been against the liberals and favor the moderates and right.
Democrats would have never voted for McCain and Palin in a thousand years , but we know the power and control of the democratic leaders over making policies which they wish (which are to the right) and arrogantly telling their own voters to go stuff it..
The democrats have never taken up for the so called liberals or left , but instead they have attack them in the past like censoring Moveon.org , while supporting the right wing agenda..
They supported Lieberman against Lamont our "democratic candidate in Connecticut in 2006 , because they thought Lamont was to far to the left and against their right wing policies..
I personal am tired of hearing the Right -- center -- and left... I thought Obama stated that this was one America..
So why are we not talking about our policies , criminal crimes , not giving our tax money to global corporations/Foreign countries and what they will do for our country/citizens and not what policies benefit their own pocket books and friends..
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demonize the dems and the left.
F-O-S IS WHAT CHRISSIE HAS ALWAYS BEEN!
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Why are we not replacing the republican democrats when their re-election time comes into play..
Why was Pelosi re-elected by 72% of the votes....
Are we all talk and no action????
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yes.
The level of delusion in believing that the right wing opinion makers and echo chamber specialists are somehow going to be more compliant in pushing Obama's agenda forward than left leaning Democrats is astonishing.
These people have no sense of history. No sense of... well just no sense.
You have been acting angry. Bloggers now think they run the country. Obama hasn't even named his entire cabinet and all I hear from bloggers is bitching. I've been hearing less bitching from Faux News than bloggers. It's amazing that after Obama won a hard alections, full of racism and dirty tricks from the right wing nuts you guys manage to undo everything that was so hard fought. Stop writing blog and start reading what you and your friends are posting.
It isn't the bloggers themselves, it is the people who post comments on their sites. I have seen a couple of low level complaints here and there by a blogger, but by far and away, the bloggers (like John, Nicole, David, Steve Benen, John Avarois, Warren Street and others) haven't just refrained, but have blogged why or why not along with support or complaints.
Far different than the 6-7-8 people here who are vocal critics seemingly for the sake of being critical.
it IS the commenters, more than anything else.
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...where exactly I've or any of the front page bloggers on this site have bitched about anything Obama has done.
If you're unhappy with anonymous commenters on the site, then I will have to take a pass on pissing in the wind with you.
Wasn't Pissing in the Wind a Bob Dylan song?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Not Dylan, Jerry Jeff Walker
You sure it wasn't Johnny Walker?
Didn't Johnny Walker star in the show Good Times?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Now we worked and we suffered and struggled
Makin' our record till we got it right
Now we're waiting on the check to come sneaking down the hall
Like that old time feeling
That we never should have ever put the record out at all
Yes pissin' in the wind, bettin' on a losing friend
Makin' the same mistakes, we swear we'll never make again
And we're pissin' in the wind, and it's blowing on all our friends
We're gonna sit and grin and tell our grandchildren
That the answer my friend is just pissin' in the wind
Oh the answer is pissin' in the sink
As long as it's not the water fountain.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
If you watch long enough you realize they're mostly pissin' all over themselves. They were clueless before, that much hasn't changed.
Have a Monday!
no...it's the moronic commenters on these websites. luckily, they aren't really bloggers.
they bitch and nitpick and kneejerk. then whine about being attacked when people dare to disagree with them. "Ooh, I'm gonna be called a Republican if I disagree, bawww" "what? I am just disagreeing, why is everyone an obama lover?"
they are allowed to disagree but other people who disagrees with THEM are the big bad bullies. what the f*ck ever!
nyguy wrote: "I've been hearing less bitching from Faux News than bloggers"
and you mean that as a critique of the lefty bloggers? irony, i dub thee 'nyguy'.
what was done and what was undone? seems to me that the obama-express is chugging along just fine.
and msjoanne is as confused as she is shortsighted.
wow, its only 1pm and i need a drink...
The GOP's McCarthy gene: "There may be assorted intellectuals and ideologues in the party, maybe even a few centrists, but there is no longer an intellectual or even ideological wing. The party belongs to McCarthy and his heirs -- Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and Palin. It's in the genes."
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The relationship between Obama and the Progressives – is it a “battle for the President’s soul” or a “natural division of labor?"
The rapidly mushrooming debate about the relationship between the Obama administration and the progressive wing of the Democratic Party suffers from an unnecessary lack of clarity because many of the commentators do not make a clear distinction between two very distinct ways of visualizing the issue.
The first, which might be called “the battle for the President’s soul” perspective, visualizes progressives and centrists or conservatives as engaged in a permanent tug of war to win the President’s support for their agenda. In this perspective, each cabinet appointment and each policy decision the President makes represents one more episode in a perpetual struggle to pull, pressure or cajole the President toward progressive approaches and solutions
But during past eras of major progressive social movements – the trade union movement of the 1930’s and the civil rights movement of the 1960’s -- there was a very different perspective. It could be called a “natural division of labor” point of view. A Democratic President was basically assumed to be a ruthlessly pragmatic centrist who would make all his moves and choices based on a very cold political calculus of what was necessary for his own success and survival. He might have private sympathy for some progressive point of view but there was generally no expectation among social movement progressives that he would “go out on a limb” for progressives out of a personal moral commitment to some social ideal. As a result, the most fundamental assumption of progressive political strategy was always the need to build a completely independent grass roots social movement, one that was powerful enough to make it politically expedient or simply unavoidable for the political system to accede to the movement’s demands.
WORTH A READ!
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that was quite a clean-up...
oh well...
"We do not part take in reality, the only reality is our made up facts and you know our made up facts are true because you see them repeated on the news." - ficticious GOP member
The trouble isn't that Tweety would say the trouble is going to come from the Angry Left - the trouble is all the bulletheads who don't want to give Obama a chance to be swarn in and to actually do something before they whine about what he hasn't had a chance to do yet.
Everybody needs to take a breath and wait for Obama to do before you gripe about what he has done.
and a better focus for your anger should be targeted at the current dolittle congress who is letting Bush get away with Murder.
Obama's successful election, and the quantity of people from very diverse backgrounds who voted for him, are scaring the heck out of MSM and all the right wing, Christian "right" and anyone else that made it part of their lives to bully the rest of us. We on the left are cautiously optimistic about Obama's term as president (remember prepare for the worse and hope for the best).
Obama's victory, as well as the overwhelming democratic victories in the senate and house are scaring the crap out of these people. On top of that, everything they have been spewing for the last eight years, and probably before that, is falling apart - from the economy to the Iraqi occupation and everything else in between.
However, very few things are more dangerous than a trapped animal; hopefully they won't rip Obama apart, the way they did Bill Clinton.
When, oh when, will the MSM learn what REAL patriotism is? Yes, it is a rhetorical question.
Though I thoroughly enjoy your take on the bobbleheads, a window of empathy opened this morning and I began to fear for your sanity. It is clear that you monitor a LOT of the drivel that occupies our airtime. Tonight, however, scenes from A CLOCKWORK ORANGE invaded my melon, but it was YOU strapped in a chair with your eyes pinned open. Surely, no NORMAL human could voluntarily consume such massive amounts of this virulence.
If you've any remaining free will, please save some for yourself. We need you!
You are so right on with this observation/comment.
The corporate-media is and will remain a powerful force to deal with.
Actually, they're not entirely wrong.
I think America is in a left of center mood right now, whether they will admit it or not. So it's not like Obama has to keep the conservatives happy. Methinks nothing he does will make them happy.
But seeing how people come on this site since the elections to complain about this appointment or that policy of Obama as "breaking promises," and he's not even in office yet, in a cockfight of being "more liberal than thou," that will be a problem.
As for this site, I haven't noticed any particular view over the elections or its aftermath, other than Thank Rod mcgramps and bible spice lost.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
This characterization is laughable. Are some of the disaffected on the left of the political sphere? Absolutely. Count the angry as those who are defenders of truth and we are angry about the war criminals who occupy this government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwKxsruxKwE
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Let's face it, you and I and the rest of the liberal blogosphere have been right more often than not
Not criticism, just an observation.
We need to get beyond pointing out what's wrong and understand that the slate isn't clean. Cleaning up and cleaning out has to happen one shovel-full of shit at a time. Not doing any more harm and/or damage will be a very good first step.
We are anxious for the big stuff, but if we're as smart as we think we are, we know you don't cross a chasm in two leaps.
I completely lost respect for Matthews bootlicking all neocons during the war run up, and the day he lost his tongue up Anne Coulter's bony, wrinkled, wretched flat ass. Matthews let that hateful bitch say whatever she wanted while he sat there giggling.
Actually conservatives don't wear boots, they just send them overseas to be the boots on the ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OU7Nezg7Ls
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Which means he's going to have no problems at all. Perfect. =)
the angry left....a term to invalidate people's outrage at a piss poor 8 years of the Bush administration.
So where is the attack on the Right and Center republicans which have been partisan in their running of our country and the democrats which have supported them in their destruction to it.
Rahm Emanuel is a bunch of BS... Dean is the person which united the democrats and enabled the democrats to win in 2006 and 2008.. This was done with Dean's plan of a 50 state policy and Rahm Emanuel gave Dean h... the whole time he was building it up from ashes... The democratic leaders in our party and "Florida" even attack Dean for the democrat party's policies which he upheld and had nothing to do with their creation..
Kucinich was attacked and ridiculed with his bid for president and was the only candidate which upheld our constitution and laws.. The more Kucinich fought for our constitution and laws the more the news media and democrats condemn him......
Where is all the talk about the right wing and center which has caused this "total" collapse and destruction to our democracy and country,,, while the Global giants which has join partnership with foreign countries are doing just fine... They are giving their million dollars salary and bonuses with money they put on a credit card in our names ,while the country burns from their crimes and corruption..
The far right , center right or what ever name one wishes to give to the criminals which have been running this country for over 8 years have attack the liberals and trying to put their crimes on them..
The true facts about the left or liberals is that they are the only group which has been standing up for "our" constitution , freedom , our country and to get our government to run this country as our constitution and forefathers created our laws for.
America is being attack by a organization worst then what Bush and our military industrial complex states as terrorist, which is our government and their corporate ties...
No terrorist could do the damage which Bush , the republicans and our democratic leaders have done in the past 8 years.
So why isn't the news media attacking the right wing republicans which have been ruling this country with an iron fist with their partisan republican party and with the support of our democratic leaders like Pelosi , Reid , Feinstein , Schumer and the blue dog republicans.
The left or liberals which has been fighting for our democracy and country have stating what Bush and his criminal administration has been doing for over 7 years and they of course will not hear of this...
The republicans "lost" the election because of their criminal crimes finally surfacing and now they wish to blame it on the left...
Didn't Obama run his campaign on the phase "Change Is Coming To America" not a continuation of the same policy and actions that the republican criminal crimes and destruction of our country have been doing..
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/...
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I too have spelling and grammatical errors in my comment below. I think it's because I am so frustrated at how awful the situation is has become, despite a huge win last month.
But, the real reason I am replying to your comment, is that I wholeheartedly agree with you when you properly identify them as criminals. We have to remind this nation not only that the illegal wars and the bogus economic crisis are the result of criminal actions and the people involved are criminals [I have a feeling that sounds like the angry left], and there used to be a time when criminals were prosecuted. I understand that in Obama's post-partisan b.s. this ain't going to happen, but that is why there will be no change. What's that expression? Oh yeah: No justice, no peace.
...always meed the sharp end of the "compassionate" conservative bullets.
Mathews and his band of twelve are all part of the corporate MSM. To them, Americans are only consumers. We are here to buy the products and services their masters are selling. We are not entitled to an opinion, a union, healthcare, a clean environment, a living wage, good schools, sound infrastruture or anything else unless there is huge corporate profit to made from it. If we ask for anything that substracts even a small pittance from the profits, we are the angry left. There is no "community" only the "corporate club."
i thought there was no Left, I thought we are a center right country.
Really? Seriously? The lesson you learn from this is that "the progressive blogosphere must be smart about picking battles in pushing a liberal agenda for America?" That the best course is to hold our fire, to be hyper-cautious, to let a lot of stuff pass for fear of being called "angry" by such as Chris Matthews?
Don't you realize that we'll be called that no matter how carefully we "pick our battles?" Don't you realize that we will never satisfy them that we are not "angry?" Don't you realize that they will always try to dismiss us, no matter how un-angry we try to appear?
Don't you realize that the best, indeed the only practical, response to that accusation is to say in essence "Yes, I'm angry. Why aren't you?"
Don't you realize that the only way to knock down a dismissive stereotype is not to try to disprove it (which only legitimizes the question) but to refuse to accept the implications and simply to carry on as you think best, not as your opponents think best for you?
Don't you?
Expanded version here.
I have been ever since Rahm Emmanuel choice. I got over him, but then with the Clinton and Gates' rumors turning true. There is nothing left to believe in this man. He was elected to do 3 things: end the wars, enact universal health care (without for-profit insur. companies) and prosecute the Bush criminals. I know it's a big agenda, but that is what he was elected to do. Not even this bogus economic crisis, that surprise, surprise we have been living with for at least 1 year. I'll give you a choice you can rescind the 5 year Blackwater contract or start recovering all the money that Paulson illegally 'loaned' to his buddies. It's so sad that he it's still in his transition period and he is a phony, talking head of the DLC/Bush (H.W.) fascists in this country. Obama didn't even make it to inauguration. Even Clinton I believed 16 years ago until well into his presidency. I know it's too late now, but how did Obama not understand that we did not want a 3rd Clinton term (or we would have voted for her) and we definitely don't want a 3rd Bush term, which is exactly what we are getting. It's sickening, and he's out there pretending there is an economic crisis, when it's really a criminal matter to be referred to Justice. BTW, Alberto Gonzales should report to prison. They really should be encouraged to report to prison peacefully. It will be better for them, but no, what are we going to get a surge in Afghanistan, and, now, according to Raw Story the US military is going to 'patrol' inside the US. The only answer is to demilitarize, and do it now.
You say that, "He was elected to do 3 things: end the wars, enact universal health care (without for-profit insur. companies) and prosecute the Bush criminals."
Obama made it clear that he did not support a universal health care plan that functioned without the for-profit insurance companies. The only candidate proposing that was Kucinich.
Obama made it clear that he wasn't interested in going after the "Bush criminals". None of the democrats were. The only one, once again, was Kucinich.
Obama also said on any number of occasions that he wants to send more troops to Afghanistan. He has not mentioned any timetable for withdrawal from Iraq for quite a while either.
So - it is hard to speculate that he was elected to do the things you mentioned.
People voting for him might be hopeful that he will do these things.
They may have voted for him because they felt he is charismatic.
They may have felt they were participating in something historic.
Many voted for him because he was the alternative to McCain whom they perceived as Bush 3.
Many voted for him because the economy collapsed a month before the election.
I hope he will do the things you think he was elected to do.
But I'm not at all sure that he feels he was elected to do the things you mentioned.
After all, he never said he would.
After the last 8 years of Dumbass and its lingering effect, I think we have the right to be Angry.
NOBODY 2012
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