Oy. Only on FoxNews.
EASTON: Well, I thought this whole -- the two speeches this week were just a high-pitched -- unfortunate high-pitched partisan duel between the two of them.
I know the press focused a lot on -- and has focused a lot on Dick Cheney and his provocative comments that the administration is keeping us less safe. And frankly, I think Cheney should give this president some credit on things like his very difficult decision to not to release the photos of alleged detainee abuse, for example, his flip on military tribunals.
But if you look at the Obama speech, that was equally partisan, and there wasn’t a lot of focus on that. I mean, he talked about this mess that he had inherited. He talked about the administration sort of fitting facts for an ideological agenda.
Why can’t this president give the previous president credit for keeping us safe for seven years? And by the way, we know from the C- SPAN interview that he’s in touch with President Bush. They’ve actually talked since he’s been in office.
But I think it would carry this White House a long way past the problems that Ceci talks about and get the support of somebody like McCain, Senator McCain, or Senator Lindsey Graham , who also supported closing Gitmo and also had concerns about enhanced interrogation techniques.
I think it would buy him a lot of credit or a lot of good will on the other side of the aisle and with centrist Democrats if he gave this -- he gave the Bush administration some credit.
Actually, I think considering the mess that Obama was left (something that is indisputable) and the grief he's been getting, not only from Cheney but the rest of the Party of No, he's been remarkably reticent on blaming the Bush administration for anything.
But I tell you what, Nina, we'll give the Bush administration credit for keeping us safe in the last seven years (although residents in the Gulf Coast might quibble) IF you and your entire FoxNews bobblehead crew admit that they quite stubbornly and fatally did NOT keep us safe for that first year despite warnings that Bin Laden was determined to strike and that we lost 3,100 Americans because of that blindness.
Deal?
These people just don't give up.
The largest attack on our soil HAPPEN 8 months into Bush / Cheney's watch and they did nothing to prevent it..And were even told that it was going to happen....
So why is Obama , Pelosi , Reid , Blue dogs and other democrats not prosecuting them for their criminal crimes and destruction to our country and citizens.
Not only are they not prosecuting them but they are giving the criminals in Bush's administrations immunity and using the same illegal and criminal policies Bush / Cheney used...
Why are the democrat voters silent about Obama and the democrats doing the same criminal actions of Bush and his administration....
None
you don't praise anyone, and especially the
bush/cheney administration for keeping us safe...
since they did not. they lied us into a war on
iraq and lied and lied and lied. they broke
American law and international war crimes laws.
they lied about torturing.
this stupid bitch should look in a mirrow and
call herself a "C"
Cheney and Bush DID NOT keep Americans safe for 8 years. How about the anthrax attacks (which we still don't know the real truth about) and the numerous massacres that have taken place because anyone can buy an automatic or semi-automatic weapon?
How about the biggest loss of all: more than 4500 Americans killed and tens of thousands injured and disabled because of Bush's vanity war, which Cheney lied, bribed, and just plain hallucinated to justify? How about the military people killed by KBR's faulty wiring and the incipient cases of cancer because of the open fire pits the contractors used to dispose of toxic waste?
And don't forget the thousands and thousands of fundamentalist Muslim militants the Iraq war and Bush's cowboy politics brought about.
Safe, I don't think so.
Oh wait, the Repukes blame that on Bill Clinton- even though it was on Bush's watch...
Yeah, it was that transitional period. If anything happens before September they'll insist on taking the hit for it. Sure they will. That's just the kind of swell guys they are.
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
They blame Clinton for the first WTC bombing that happened 1 month after he was President. Nice of them to have it both ways. And the fact that there was no attack on the homeland does not count for Clinton. There were embassy bombings. There were also embassy bombings under Bush, except they were not covered in depth by the media. Last September there was a bombing at the Embassy in Yemen.
props for winning the war on drugs with her "just say no" campaign.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
to eliminate Bin Laden and blew it ---the AlQueida plan long in advance --8 years between the 93' WTC attack and 9/11...Am not sure the Bush /Cheney admin kept us safe but they certainly diverted our and the terrorists attention with Iraq and Afghanistan...Not to mention the Dems in Congress or the repub's now out of power!
If you are being lead blindly by a failed ideology [repub-conservative] then you use every lie and diversion possible to keep your heads above water --knowing you are going to drown anyway!!!
were Texas death row inmates who were grateful Chimpboy was no longer the Texas governor.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
still kept a good pace without him.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/annual.htm
Yeah! Seven out of eight years ain't bad!
C'mon, if ya give Bush a mulligan for that one little incident in Manhattan back in late 2001 that killed over 3,000 and reduced the World Trade Center to rubble, he has a perfect record!
Well, that plus the anthrax thing.
Oh, I just remembered... I guess ya gotta count the needless war in Iraq that killed and maimed thousands more, and fomented hatred for America in a large part of the Muslim world.
Other than that, he definitely kept us safe!
Over 4000 troops needlessly sent to their graves, and tens of thousand maimed for life, all because of Dubya's unnecessary war of choice. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who were slaughtered.
Oh, but we're not talking about US troops, they don't count in right-wing world, except as cannon fodder for their reckless warmongering. The brown people barely count as human, in their jaundiced eyes.
He kept the rich safe, I'll give him that.
As the sociopaths on the propaganda tube and reptilian party always say. "They signed the papers" so that makes it ok for the tiny brains of the sociopaths and the reptiles amongst us
Obama has been nice enough to Bush by not seeking prosecutions for war crimes, yet. This is a lame attempt to cover Bush's horrible crimes with this weak talking point.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
They're never satisfied - What a bunch of poopy-diapered babies. WHINE, WHINE, WHINE!!
Obama is actually being pretty damned decent considering the frickin' mess the inept re=Thugs created and then dumped in his lap.
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Name a terroristic event on U.S. soil since 9/11.....
oh, you mean, besides the Anthrax mailings that kept people terrorized for weeks?
Well, the "Shoe Bomber" almost pulled off his stunt.
I'm just thinking of previous "terroristic" events before 9/ll...hmmm...Pearl Harbour, Oklahoma City bombing, WTC '93...has there been more in US history that fall under the category of "terroristic" events? Come to think of it, how does one define a "terroristic" event?
I'm going to go ahead and add New Orleans to the list. That was domestic terrorism perpetrated against Americans on American soil by the Commander in Chief himself.
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That was a terrorist attack by an x US military guy,Remember the white van several witnesss said they saw the sniper shoot the FBI agent from at the Home dept?Remember the days stopping every white van up there?
By the way the FBI agent killed was a computer hacker expert with knowlege of 911.And also the snipers were caught in a black and blue 1990 government surplus chev.caprice
That was a terror attack forgotten
some remember.
Two of my friends worked for the cable company at the time and drove white panel vans. They were stopped, briefly detained and search a half dozen times each.
I remember it quite well because I found myself looking for 'odd stuff', like gun barrels poking over roof tops or out of the back of white panel vans.
I had to live through that shit - under Bush's watch - down here in Maryland. So the idea that Bush kept us safe is utterly indefensible and completely laughable to me.
you're just paranoid....
Katrina was indeed domestic terrorism committed by the rich against the poor. Yes, the pResident endorsed and made the death-toll higher by it's 'help'. Like throwing the anchor at a drowning man. Reich-wing 'help'. GAG
Bush chopped off the maintenance funding of the levees in NO to pump money into Halliburton, KBR, etc., against all warnings from the Army Engineers, Nat Geo scientists and studies by the Federal Gov.
Anytime someone from the Bush administration opened their mouth was a terroristic event. They used fear and terror as their only weapon and idiots were pissing their pants everytime the word mushroom cloud or dirty bomb was mentioned.
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
the thought of mushrooms clouds and dirty bombs would cause me to mess my pants... but what's your point???
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Corruption favors the wealthy.
My point is that Bush and his Cabal are the terrorists. You're more in danger of being hit by a bus than killed by a dirty bomb but I'll bet you cross the street every day and never once shit your pants over it.
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
you never know...
Live without fear, it's a better way to live.
The point is that terrorism is not an attack, or a particular act. Terrorism is a strategy.
By definition, terrorism is the use of violence or the threat of violence to achieve a political goal.
Bush/Cheney & Co. consistently and constantly talked about the horrible, violent end that awaited all of us if we didn't leave them in political power, and allow them to use that power to do whatever they wished.
Kind of the textbook definition of terrorism, dontcha think?
Some examples from Wikipedia:
September 18, 2001
Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices, and on employees of television networks and tabloids.
May, 2002
Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest. Motivation to protest government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana and promotion of astral projection.
July 4, 2002
An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.
October, 2002
John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing ten people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.
October 1, 2005
Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma killing himself in the process.
March 30, 2006
Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
August 30, 2006
An Afghani Muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing one, with his SUV in the San Francisco Bay area.
February 4, 2009
West Memphis, Arkansas, United States. Trent P. Pierce Chairman of the Arkansas State Medical Board was critically injured in a car bombing that occurred in his drive way. There are reports that he received serious injuries to his abdomen and face, but no internal trauma was reported. No one else was wounded in the blast.
February 15, 2009
Victorville, California, United States. An improvised explosive device went off inside a federal prison in California during a search Saturday, according to federal authorities. No one was injured, the authorities told CNN. The incident happened in the recreation area of the Victorville Federal Penitentiary. Bureau of Prisons spokesperson Traci Billingsley said the device was found by a staff member during a “routine search of inmate property”. She said it “detonated upon discovery."
Also: "There were 1,700 acts of violence against abortion providers between 1977 and 1994, with four people killed in 1994 and one in 1993, according to statistics from the National Abortion Federation. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has logged 167 attacks against abortion clinics over the past 15 years. In 1984, there were 18 bombings against abortion clinics. In 1993, there were 78 death threats aimed at clinic employees. And, in 1996, bombings, threats and harassment affected about one-third of U.S. abortion clinics."
(http://msnbc.com/modules/clinics/)
Good job!
Also, let's not forget about the attack that occurred ON 9/11. That one counts too, although for some inexplicable, Orwellian reason these Neo-con apologist seem to excuse it.
that sort of screws up Bush's record as a terror fighter.
It happened while he'd been President for the better part of a year, and *after* Richard Clarke and other advisors had been waving their arms for months saying, "look, you need to start taking Al Qaeda seriously NOW", and *after* Condi Rice got the memo about Bin Laden.
This asinine, self-serving crap about how Bush "kept us safe" somehow always conveniently omits the biggest freaking domestic terror attack in the history of the United States! (Not to mention the anthrax attacks).
I kind of doubt the victims of 9/11 would agree that George W Bush kept them safe.
W=FAIL
Bush's tall tales about himself are hilarious.
One of the many sad ironies of the Bush era that was rapidly and mercifully drawing to a close was that after the president created a “central front in the war on terror” by invading Iraq, the amount of “terrorism” in the world skyrocketed. Some called it the Bush Bubble.
I don't know why they keep bragging about keeping us safe for seven years wasn't he in office for 8?
would be in order. He was in office for the better part of a year before 9/1l. And....... that's the primary job of the POTUS.... to keep you and everyone else safe.
Actually, he was in office for 7.5 months when 9/11 occured. And he was in office only 6 months when he was repeatedly warned about attacks within the U.S. being highly likely. I am guessing that math wasn't your strongest subject area in school?
"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt!"
- Mark Twain
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
his first 100 days pretty much clearing brush down in the "Texas White House!"
he was a do nothing POTUS until 9/11. Did Cheney give him his big break?
The primary job of the POTUS is to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
go ahead and nit pick... the fact remains that you and the rest of us are safe at this moment.
Barack Obama is POTUS. And yes, I do feel safe with him in charge.
aren't alive to join in on the discussion as to whether or not George W Bush kept us safe.
We are safe, have always been safe. You bedwetters gotta get fearless.
Well Bush certainly did a bang up job of that too.
crabs for the last 7 years of their 8 year marriage?
its really hillarious
It's like saying the Titanic had a perfect record of avoiding icebergs... except for the one that sunk it.
We should start collecting them and put them all in one big post. There is one about the hindenberg farther down in the thread.
Maybe if we can get ten good ones we can send them in to letterman.
nina works for fox and she's paid to ask innane questions that merely mirror what her employer wants to hear. thus, she cannot show any original thought, because if she does she forfeits murdock's blessing and his green and any position she wants to achieve. However, it's not good enough that once they are out and have acquired other fair-minded employment to come out at that tie with s telll-all book revealing how constrictedd they were while employed by fox bush or cheney. it's simply not enough to do it then, you need to reveal and turn on them now.
You don't know that. And if you did, it wouldn't be first hand....
Bush has the blood of tens of thousands of Americans - AT LEAST - on his hands. Then there are the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis that he is responsible for as well.
Obama is not going to coddle the blood-thirsty re=Thugs and ignore their culpability for their crimes by patting them on the back and saying à la Bush -- "Heck of a job there fella!" -- OR the dems that also enabled Bush's bloody reign.
Bush brought the world rivers of blood and tears. We can give him credit for that.
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There would have been a helluva lot more Iraqis dead at the hands of Saddam Hussein but for the intervention. He dispatched thousands in one felt swoop by gassing them. And, who are these tens of thousands Americans whom he had bloodied??
Oh, come on! Since the Iraq War there have been about one million killed or displaced Iraqis. Do you really think Saddam could have inflicted those types of numbers on his own people in that short of time? Hey, Saddam was a very bad man, but let's put things in perspective, shall we?
The best estimates of the number of displaced Iraqis as of 2005 was about 2 million in Iraq and another two point something million who left Iraq. This doesn't include the almost a million that either we'd killed or had been killed by 'insurgents' by the time two years had past after the Hopkins report.
And this is a country with only 25 million people to start.
wonder WHO sold him that gas? And why?
OH yeah that's right! It was Donald Rumsfeld who sold it to them to use to kill people. Imagine that!
How does the fact that Saddam killed Innocent Iraqis justify the fact that Bush did as well?
Interesting choice of word for the invasion, too. "Intervention". How sanitized.
If you are implying that the POTUS ordered troops to deliberately murder innocent civilians, you are nuttier than a squirrel turd!!!!
"nuttier than a squirrel turd" - thats the ONLY thing you have said that is even slightly coherent, or makes a damn bit of sense.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
At least "you" understand the venacular...
That's no vernacular, that's a derby...
On topic, I liked it much better when Nina Easton just sang about her sugar walls. Her political commentary? Not so much.
No, I'm not implying that the POTUS ordered troops to DELIBERATELY murder innocent civilians but in deciding to go invade Iraq for oil and for Israel, Bush tore open a country that Saddam had been tenuously holding onto through fear. The result was a lot of "collateral damage" (read: dead and injured civilians) and a civil war (more dead, injured and displaced civilians). Instead of having some sort of public debate about the merits of taking over Iraq, the Bush Admin. lied about the reasons for going in and in my mind committed war crimes. So, ultimately, dead civilians are dead civilians regards of intent.
A million Iraqis dead in five years or a half million in thirty years. Whether or not Bush ordered the deaths of innocent civilians is only relevant to war crimes trials. The fact is that he did cheerlead, lie, fabricate and perform character assassination on his detractors in order to push for the invasion in the first place an invasion that they knew that was NOT justified in the first place. The blood is just as much on his hands - and to be fair on the hands of Congress who didn't stop him from doing it via impeachment or the power of the purse - as if he had ordered it.
Almost 5,000 dead, and 50,000 wounded.
Right wing moron!
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
WTG...yeah...we saved all those Iraqi's from their terrible fate with Saddam.
God, you are appearing more stupid with each post. Give it a rest.
Nobody is claiming that Saddam was a nice guy. But it took him thirty years of rule after we helped to install him to kill the half million people he killed. We did that by the third year of the war not to mention the two million displaced internally and over two million who fled Iraq when the war started. Iraq only had 25 million to start with. Saddam would have been eventually deposed or would have died. This war isn't going to stop killing people even after we leave.
That Saddam was a horrible person is no defense for the carnage we have caused. If the Iraqis wanted Saddam out it was up to them to depose him. But in any case, the justification for the invasion wasn't: Saddam's a big meanie it was: Saddam's got nukes and he's going to kill Americans with them.
Do we give special recognition for DOING YOUR JOB!!!
Especially when you DIDN"T do it that well!!!
probably sleeping well at night like the rest of us, aren't you???
Well, the three thousand-plus victims of 9/11/01 don't have that luxury.
Too bad George W Bush and Chickenhawk Cheney didn't heed the warnings of Richard C Clarke about Al Qaida. Guess they were too busy dreaming up all those "New American Century" bullshit schemes about invading Iraq.
Bastards...
You really don't want to take me on. Not with the lame ass reasoning you have shown here.
I slept quite well at night before Bush took office as well. And I'm sleeping quite well at night now that he's gone.
Keeping Americans safe is in the job description. Does she want us to also congratulate Bush for having successful bowel movements?
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but a little respect for the office wouldn't hurt...
Respect is earned!
When you use your elected office to screw the people who entrusted you in order to enrich youself and your cronies, you deserve nothing but the scorn of history.
If anyone has shat upon our constitution and country more than little Bush "the idiot" and Evil Dick Cheney, I don't know who they would be.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
[Deleted. Stop flamebaiting. Your ONLY warning-Sitemonitor]
Ha. I didn't see the wing nuts having any "respect for the office" when Bill Clinton was in charge. Did everything they could to bring him down, as a matter of fact, for an offense that was pretty mild compared to Bush and Cheney's deceit and lies.
They aren't showing any now!
Fluck em
the BUSH administration/neoCON think tanks will get little to zero respect from me. the IRAQ war/occupation was a war of choice NOT necessity. the iraq invasion/occupation has NO connectionto 9-11. saddam gasing his own people happened some time ago. i won't doubt that
he bought the gas from the u.s. bin laden did his damage. some say the current financial/economic crisis may have indirect connections to the two wars. several thousand iraqi citizens women/children have been killed. many others had to leave their country. the neoCONs
had their eye on iraq for some time. the blood is not of my hands. personally i don't feel any safer just lucky.
I'm almost positive he got the gas from the US. Remember that little meeting Rummy had with Saddam? Well, much of it was about selling gas to Iraq for help with their little war with Iran.
oh yeah i think your correct that handshake shot with saddam/rumsfeld. the cia was so involved in the iraq and iran governments. this war was in the making. the financial elites did NOT like saddam nationalizing the iraqi oil. in addition to that saddam was looking at other currencies to trade crude. it certainly was a strategic move against iran. BUSH #41 knew about saddam and did nothing.
could not go any further in the gulf war because he was bound by U.N. resolutions....
bin laden was/is a criminal. BUSH #41 was warned by bhutto. bin laden was/is NOT about war but about terrorism/crime. "blowback" you understand blowback rep. paul mentions the word every third interview. this is a war of CHOICE NOT necessity.
Bush The First didn't go into Bagdadh because he was smart enough to realize (in this case quoting Dick Cheney) that if we deposed the Iraqi regime we'd be responsible for creating something to replace it.
All in all, it was a much smarter move than what his son did.
$3 Trillion disapears into the pentagon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU
The Federal Reserve has lost $9 Trillion
http://www.dailymarkets.com/videos/2009/05/14...
And the Iraq war is estimated to in the end cost $3 to $5 Trillion
And they are blaming it on the poor people,We need some justice NOW
Hairlip, you are nuts!!! Booooosh didn't have respect for the office he stole!!! Respect is earned!!! It is not something that can be mandated, and certainly not by YOU!!!!
If he was on Wall Street he would have received a yearly multi-million dollar bonus for a performance like that.
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
Would he?
Wait - they only kept us safe AFTER they passed the Patriot act. There were assassination attempts on two senators before that passed. As a matter of fact, the senators involved were the two senators who could have stopped that act. And those terrorists wanted that act to pass, hence the antrax that was mailed to Senator Tom Daschle (who was the Senate Majority Leader and could bring or not bring the bill up for a vote) and Senator Patick Leahy (head of the Senate Judiciary Committee who could bring, or not bring the bill out of the committee).
So, the terrorists rightly assumed scaring these guys could move that bill along.
One more thing, the terrorists also sent anthrax to a new paper in Florida that had the nerve to publish photos and stories about the Bush twins drunken adventures.
less what the Patriot Act or any other act did. The main thing is that our shores have been safe.
I have been around for a long time, and every other president kept our shores safe without the need of the Orwellean Patriot Act or other bullshit measures.
You are not very bright, are you?
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
You obviously haven't been paying attention.
I guess 9/11 doesn't count huh?
When you are a two term president keeping us safe for 7 years is short one year of successfully keeping us safe.
You never have been or known anybody that was "sucker punched" before, right???
if you get warned explicitly the month before.
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me-oww!
n/c
That's a great debate point, hairlip, try that over on Redstate.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Aw come on sitemonitor, we were just having some fun at the trolls expense. You gotta admit, they sure do tee it up for you?
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Seems to me your job sucks having to deal with these idiots on a constant basis.
You sir, are no gentleman. I have come to expect this from 21%'ers. But I digress. Why are you so fixated on thinking that Bush and his ilk ever kept this country safe? They have threatened all that America stands for with their attacks on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, with the Patriot Acts I & II and the Military Commissions Act, not to mention the trumped up wars we find ourselves involved with. No sir, the very fabric of our once free democratic republic has been ripped to shreds by the greedy fear mongering chicken shits in the persons of George Bush, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove among many others. I could go on and on, but one cannot reason with people like you. You simply don't let the facts get in the way of what you want to believe. When asked several years ago, regarding sacrifices made by Americans relative to the "war of terror", Mr. Bush replied that the only thing Americans had sacrificed so far was their "peace of mind". Is that all? Peace of mind was, if nothing else, the one thing that set us apart from the rest of the world. At one time in our once great country, we had a system of checks and balances within the three branches of our government. Growing up in America, in the 50's and 60's, our fathers having come home from WWII, we Americans had one thing that gave us a little peace of mind, knowing that no way, no how, could anyone mess with that. We had become the greatest power ever witnessed on earth and in a very short 8 years, under Bush, the peace of mind we once all knew has all but vanished. And you have the nerve to keep prattling on like a whiny little bitch about how Bush kept us safe. Think again. I'm sorry, you've obviously never thought at all. Go back to your corner and cower like the coward you and Limbaugh and O'Reilly and Coulter and Cheney and Beck and everyone at Fox and Bush and Rove and Malkin etc. etc. etc. are. You would have us all believe that sacrificing our liberties and freedom is the price we must pay for safety. No sir. This is not safety - this is despotism. You can cover dog shit in chocolate and call it candy, but it is still dog shit.
Why are you so fixated on thinking that Bush and his ilk ever kept this country safe?
Because if they for a second slip up and admit that Bush's actions were unconstitutional, illegal, immoral, unethical, useless, counterproductive, and inherently dangerous to this nation they have to admit the fact that they are at least partially culpable for the disaster this nation has become because they voted for Bush.
Twice.
And if 911 had happened during a Democratic administration, Fox and the rest of the right-wingers would be citing 911 as evidence that Democrats can't keep us safe. Maybe we should be saying that about the Bush administration: The fact that 911 happened during a Republican regime is proof that Republican administrations can't keep us safe. (yeah, I know it's more complicated than that, but we're talking Fox levels of reasoning here)
also occurred on a Republican's watch, maybe you're on to something.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
So, fiver, if you don't have anything else, you attack character. what are you, an attorney (if so, not a very good one). Pretty lame....
Either that or I'll have my nine year old niece do it for me. But debating the failures of your fearless leader W is a bit beneath her. Hmmm... maybe her goldfish.
Regarding attorneys, how is it that George W. Bush, one of the most politically connected men in the country, after receiving a legacy degree from Yale, couldn't even get into a law school? I trust your judgment in lawyers is about as accurate as your judgment in presidents.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
And yet you ignore it. Seems little point in continuing.
Ooh! Ooh! I know! Er... "because that's a big heap of untrue steaming stupid shit"?
Seriously? Americans are safe, eh? Then why does everyone in America seem so damn afraid if they're so safe? Why, Fox? Why?
Obviously they are in dire need of a hero. Perhaps hairlip is available.
BTW…Thx sitemonitor
to do my part by remaining positive for the most part. I accept the present administration and will support it to the extent of my beliefs. And reserve the right to protest if we don't agree.
You just expressed moderation so you better keep your head down. Not much room for moderates in the republican party whose base is built out of religous right wing extremists. So if you are the "one" you better watch your back. LMAO
I'm an independent and don't need to join any group to tell me how to vote, which I do, every time.
Independent? Ha you are a repug who got whipped in the last elections and now you run from the repug party. Independent? Sure.............
I'm around my fellow patriots, right???? and I don't have to be fearful about how I vote or express my feelings...
we wont beat you down for being independent.
That's a different story.
And when they try to dismantle republican corporate fascism in order to make your life better, you can complain about it all you want.
Isn't America wonderful?
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
what have you got against success???
Its the corporate welfare and police state side of it that repulses us.
once the youth corps are in action and you have lads following you around with notebooks. Also, not quite sure what you mean about corporate welfare.... explain???
No bid contracts to cronies. Privatization - which replaces public institutions with corporations - whose goal is profit, not the public good.
Giving corporations tax dollars to screw the people. Then allowing the corporations to take those stolen tax dollars and offshore them, so they don't have to pay taxes on their ill-gotten gains.
Forcing the people to go to private companies that charge higher prices for shittier services, so that their CEO's can make 100's of millions in bonuses, while the people suffer or die from desease. Even though the politicians who foister this fascism upon us, do not go to those same companies for their own personal needs.
Letting corporations rape and plunder the public treasury and our natural resources for a couple of pennies on the dollar.
I could spend the next month writing about the dark side (corporate fascism), but its time to check another post.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
The success of corporate fscism is nothing to celebrate. But I think you know that.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Which doesn't even contain the unknown trillions given over to the banks by the Fed.
You're damned right I have a problem with it. That's not success, it's extortion.
what did I say?
[Did you check the link in the violation message? Your comment was off topic, to start. I think if you read the commenting policy, the rest will be clear. I AM trying to keep this thread on topic, and less flamey-Sitemonitor]
Shrek is an ogre, not a T-word.
EASTON: Well, I thought this whole -- the two speeches this week were just a high-pitched -- unfortunate high-pitched partisan duel between the two of them.
No, you twit, one speech was by the elected President talking to the American public as presidents have always done before; the other was a temper tantrum throw by the former VP which has never been done before.
Because he didn't keep us safe, you stupid fucking bint. Here's just a partial list of terrorist attacks that occurred on US Soil since 9/11 which happened on Bush's watch because he ignored warnings by Clinton about Bin Laden. I also note that Bin Laden is still at large. Some of these plots were foiled, some where not. None of them required anything more complicated than REGULAR POLICE WORK. No torture. No kidnappings. No warrantless eavesdropping.
* DC Sniper - Terorrists that were captured without any special torture or kidnapping plans by local police and an astute citizen
* Anthrax mailings - Never successfully resolved and before the suspect could be brought to justice he 'committed suicide'
* Fort Dix Plot - Foiled by a fucking video store clerk
* Jewish Defense League Plot to blow up the King Fahd Mosque - foiled by a sting operation using an FBI informant
* Pipe bomb plot by Luke Helder (May 2002) - arrested by local polic
* Joel Henry Hinrichs III's bomb at the University of Oklahoma (Oct 2005) - Blew himself up
* British Airline Plot (August 2006) - Foiled by UK police using detective work though the US intelligence agencies claim it as a victory
* SUV terror plot by Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar in March of 2006 - injurs 9 Americans at the U of North Carolina. Arrested by police
* Omeed Aziz Popal SUV rampage (August 2006) - injures 19 in San Francisco, kills . Arrested by police
* Derrick Shareef’s planned attack on Illinois Shopping mall (December 2006) - Foiled by the FBI without using torture.
* Russell Defreitas Plot to blow up the fuel system at John F Kennedy International Airport in NYC (June 2007) - Foiled by convicted drug trafficker turned FBI informant
* West Palm Beach Abortion Clinic Arson (July 2005) - remains unsolved
* Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe Clinic Bombing (December 2005) - Arrested by local police
* David McMenemy burned down a clinic that did not actually perform abortions (Sept 2006) - Arrested by local police
* Paul Ross Evans clinic bombing attempt (April 2007) - Foiled by a wal-mart clerk noticing Evans buying bomb making materials
* Planned Parenthood clinic arson (may 2007) - unsolved
* Eric McDavid, eco-terorrist planned acts of terrorism against the Nimbus dam (January 2006) - Arrested outside the store he was buying bomb making supplies at
* Daniel Gerard McGowan eco-terrorist (December 2005) - arrested as part of FBI Operation Backfire.
* $2 million in homes burned to the ground by ELF (March 2008) - still under investigation, no arrests.
* Hagerstown, Maryland 5 townhomes burned down by ELF (November 2005) - still under investigation
This doesn't include the massive uptick in terrorist attacks around the world or the carbombs and other attacks in Iraq. Only stuff happening IN the US. I could go on for several pages, but if you don't get the idea by now you're not going to.
... as no longer necessary.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
McVeigh was Al Queda ????
How is it an apples and oranges thing? A terrorist is a terrorist whether foreign or domestic. Tell the relatives of people who died in the Murrah Building in OK that those guys were just "domestic" terrorists, nothing to worry about.
there wasn't anything to worry about. my point was that there wasn't any terroristic attacks by the likes of Al Queda, from foreign shores. If you wanted to dig a little deeper to find real terrorism on the streets, research the ghettos of major cities. there is more "terrorism" there in one night than all of the aforementioned events.
Do not try to equate violent acts of groups with political agendas with everyday crime. It makes me think you want a police state.
Thank you.
It appears the equation hairlip is not too subtly trying to make isn't between crime and terrorism.
It appears to be about skin color.
Is there any other reason why, according to hairlip, "ghetto" crime is as bad in one night as all the terrorist acts listed by E_in_MD?
Is there any other reason why Tim McVeigh's destruction in Oklahoma City is "apples to oranges" when compared to Al Qaeda's destruction on September 11?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
And I dont see any rebuttals to it either.
Look at how Bush's supporters parse their support...
Bush kept us safe from terrorist attackson American soil...
Bush kept us safe from Al Qaeda attacks (once again, on American soil only)
Bush kept us safe after he let 3,000 Americans die...
Really, Bush was a good president in the same way as "Our American Cousin" was a good play. (That's the play Lincoln was watching when he was shot). OTHER THAN THE 3000 KILLED ON 9/11 AND THE 4000 KILLED IN IRAQ SINE, HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB.
Terrorism is terrorism. Whether it is committed by Radical Islamists, Right Wing Christian terrorists or Radical Eco-Nuts. The object of terrorism is to generate compliance and change in a populace by using intimidation and the fear of violence and death. All of these incidents, did exactly that. It doesn't matter whether they were done by Americans or by foreigners (though if you bothered to read the list you'll note several by foreign nationals though since that doesn't fit int your paradigm you'll no doubt ignore that), her statement was that Bush 'kept us safe'. Bush very obviously didn't whether you wish to admit it or not.
This also doesn't count Jim David Adkisson who walked into the Universal Unitarian church looking to kill 'Liberals' for destroying the country or Seung-Hui Cho who went around trying to kill as many people as he could at Virginia Tech because he wanted to intimidate 'rich kids' or any of the hundreds of anti-abortion and anti-pornography related murders, arsons and chemical attacks (yes, chemical attacks in the US) also used to incite terror.
The assertion that we are somehow 'more safe' by policies and actions that create more terrorists is absurd in the manner that asserting that one is protected from fire by spreading gasoline around one's house.
So take your comment and cram it.
Yep, you are right. whether it is hate-filled words or egocentric rhetoric. It is terroristic....
Nobody is dying, or being intimidated into political change because I am enlightening them with the truth.
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