For George Will & Rush Limbaugh, Powell's Endorsement Is All About Teh Black
By Nicole Belle Sunday Oct 19, 2008 12:10pm (h/t FDL)
You knew it was coming. To the conservatives that populate pollute the airwaves, Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama could only be because he is black:
STEPHANOPOULOS: We just found out that former Secretary of State General Colin Powell has said he's going to vote for Barack Obama. Big impact?
WILL: Some impact. And I think this adds to my calculation -- this is very hard to measure -- but it seems to me if we had the tools to measure we'd find that Barack Obama gets two votes because he's black for every one he loses because he's black because so much of this country is so eager, a) to feel good about itself by doing this, but more than that to put paid to the whole Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson game of political rhetoric.
First, I'm not even sure what "put paid to the whole Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson game of political rhetoric" means. And what do either of them have to do with Powell's endorsement?
Is Will trying to suggest that Powell has some variation of "white man's guilt" and is seeking to mollify it by endorsing Obama? Clearly, Will does think that the endorsement is more based on skin color than anything else, a projection that I find more illustrative of the simple-minded Republican groupthink support than anything else. It shows just how insulated and isolated the GOP is from the real world, where people look at more than just how much someone looks like you and considers larger issues.
Just as predictably, Rush Limbaugh chimes in as well:
Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack Obama appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first African-American with a chance to become president.
"Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race," Limbaugh
wrote in an email. "OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with."
Um...hey Rush, how about George W. Bush in 2000? Maybe he wasn't "very liberal" (although he certainly portrayed himself as more centrist than he is in actuality), but he was definitely considered inexperienced on the national scene and you don't get much whiter than the Bush clan. Rush continues:
"I guess he also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [General] and Secretary of State and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes, let's hear it for transformational figures."
Really, you want to go diving into that "how ungrateful that black man is for all the white men have done for him" abyss? It's frightening to me how these conservatives don't to even try to hide their white hoods any more. Rush, I know that conservatives value ignorance, but you have to know that becoming a four-star General is not a political appointment. Powell earned that rank, and to suggest otherwise now because he doesn't agree with your water-carrying is just more of the Republicans' sick tactic of smearing the messenger.
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Earth to Georgie: Are you insane?
Will's got his bow tie too tight.
It's cutting off the oxygen to his brain.
As for Limpdick, all those drugs fried what little brain he ever had.
Good God! George Will finds a sad mental crawl space to hide in where he doesn't have to deal with reality.
Of course Powell said that if race was an issue, he'd have endorsed Sen. Obama a while back. Now, having said that, the George Wills, Rush-es and everybody else who thinks this was due to being black will have to deliver PROOF! I still believe we are a country of laws and People are INNOCENT until proven Guilty even in circumstances like this. So, Mr. Will in that tiny little space where a man's word is not valid or where we shouldn't believe a former Secretary of State/retired four star general/former Joint Chief of Staff/Republican, where's the proof?
IF Colin Powell really thought this, what took him so long to make an endorsement? A real man of integrity would have made his opinions known when it really counted and his candidate needed the boost (before the Democratic primary) - not wait until 20 days before the General Election. The whole content and motivation of his endorsement is questionable due to its timing...hmmmm.
George who? Rush who?
EXACTLY!
I can't believe none of the panel called him on his blatant racism...did it happen later, after this clip?
Think about it, "inter-racial marriage". What the hell is that? We are all one race. Everyone alive can trace his/her roots back to a small clan of modern humans.
A small patch of slime under a rock.
I thought Adam and Eve started us. That means we are all related.
I'm a 67 year old white man and would be very proud to say that Obama was my uncle. I would bury my head in shame rather than admit that McC*nt was even from the same planet as me.
Speaking of promotions asshole did you know that John"Crash" McCain was passed over for Admiral,in the 70's because,are you ready for this you fat slob? The promotion panel would not even consider promoting McCain for one simple reason: McCain's temperment!Hear that fat boy? McCain doesn't have the temperment for the job as Admiral!
In the world of Limpballs, if a man EARNS a promotion then he OWES the person who promoted him?
The comments of Rush are likely projections of his own recognition that he has never earned any of the financial success (which in his world is the only success that counts) that has landed on his plate and that it was given to him and therefore he assumes that there isn't anyone else who has ever "earned" anything.
The more overt the racism, the uglier the tone, the less the campaign is about issues, the more people will if not turn towards Obama, will at least turn away from McCain.
Of course it is not about race. Powell just thinks Obama will win, and he wants a job in the administration.
You nail it, IMO.
Classic Colin Powell behavior.
If McCain were safely ahead, Powell would endorse him.
FUCK Powell's endorsement. 3 weeks before the election he is going to "step up to the plate."
PPPPPFFFFT!
This is the same lack of courage when it counted. Why didn't he stand up to the Bush Admin when it counted? Why didn't he endorse Obama when it counted?
All he is doing now is hurting Obama with his day-late-and-dollar-short support.
Flush says "I guess he also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [General] and Secretary of State and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes, let's hear it for transformational figures."
Translation: Powell wouldn't have been a 4 star general or Sec. of State absent Reagan and Bush. He couldn't possibly have made it on talent or merit because uh . . . And, in exchange for their largess and for making his son head of the FCC, Powell owes the GOP undying loyalty no matter what weakass candidate they put forth because it's really about cronyism more than governance. Gotcha.
What astounds me is not Powell's endorsement, but that he ever associated with these asshats in the first place.
Limbaugh...black heart.
Will...black mind.
I heard the ABC This Week and was appalled no real progressive was there to defend against the odious Newt Gingrich...
That said, what Will and Lush say has little meaning: in political terms, and electorally, this is huge, as Powell (yes, warmonger and liar and sometimes lickspittle to Bush et al.) is a lot of White America's favoite black man, right behind Bill Cosby. Powell also had the good taste to smack down the craziness of the Right, take on the Muslim smear, and say, there are no unAmerican Americans; and the Democrats need to use his message of inclusion..Even the David Broders of the world see him as Serious (I mean, he's a General) and Manly (ditto). It makes voting for Obama easier for a certain sort of folks, now that that guy who looks like James Earl Jones says so.
According to McCain Obama is :
An Inexperienced, Celebrity, Muslim, Socialist, Arab, Liberal, Elitist, Terrorist, who loves Sweet Potato Pie ?
Sweet potato pie is about as un-American as you can get.
raises his ugly head, tastes the winds, and sniffs "opportunism." Powell's angling for another place at the Govt teat. Sec Def? Is that what he needs to buff out the shit-stains he bears for his lick-spittle obeisance to Bush/Cheney's adventures? A sort of 'Merlin' in the Pentagon, avuncularly guiding the young prince through the rigors of a dangerous world?
Hold me apostate: I do not see how, if at all, much benefit accrues to the Candidate For Change from the endorsement of one of the architects of the crises in which, for the foreseeable future, we're slowly being entombed, like insects in tree resin...
Has Powell ever repudiated his UN speech, with the trailers and the aluminum tubes?
"A good soldier, following orders!"
Hmmmm....where have we heard that before???
At very BEST, he allowed himself to be used as a 'human shield' by the Busheviks, to deflect criticism by implication that ANY criticism was an ad hominem attack on Powell rather than a criticism of programs and policies themselves, independent of the mouth being manipulated.
Powell is another bond to the community of continuity that the Candidate For Change has told us he intends, for OUR benefit, to disturb. Powell 'endorsed'--lent his reputation, such as it was, to providing credence for--a LOT of deeply bad, wrong, deadly, criminal shit. How does the CFC benefit? Where does that "endorsement" count?
n/t
Why do attacks from the right always have to be so personal? I hate that.
And by the way, Rush, you are fat, and George, you're a dork.
It's called an ad-hominem attack, and it's all they have left.
How should I know hominey grits?
Count 'em yourself!
Limpdickballs was claiming this week that the blacks, Ayers and ACORN hate America and want to overthrow the white establishment and have been planning for over 30 years. He claims that Obama is right in the middle of it.
You know what is America to folks like Limbaugh? A big trough to feed at incessantly? A stable of whores for him to ream and shit on? When these guys accuse someone of hating America I'd like to hear more from them what America is exactly.
These punks can get mighty creative when cornered. You'd have to live in a cave somewhere and have the intelligence of a flea to believe any of it.
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... that George Will has the audacity to put words into my mouth and the millions of others who are voting for Obama. I'm voting for him because he's the right candidate with the right ideas for this awful time in our nation's history. I'm looking to him to restore not only my faith in government, but our place as Americans on the world stage. I'm sick of knowing that everywhere in the world, we are looked at as mewling idiots (we can thank Rush for that).
I am not, Mr. Will, voting for Obama to absolve me of my white guilt. How dare you throw us all into that cage. Some of us are more evolved than that. Clearly, you are not.
For a second there I thought I was entering a bizarro world where pundits looked at the substance of what people said and responded to that based on said substance. Thanks George after repudiating Mccain and the way he ran his campaign in an apparent moment of temporary sanity, it is nice to see that your faculties have returned to their previous contrived state.
Hey, if Will gets to make off-the-wall, hardly-informed conjecture, then me, too. Limbaugh is saying that Golin Powell, whose dick he previously would have paid a bucket of Oxy's to lick, is a race traitor. Weird, man. I'm having fun again. Maybe this election will be impossible to steal, and Michelle Bachman will end up on the Home Shopping Network selling patriotic sweaters made of 100% crazy juice. Vita meta vegamin!
StuffinEnvelopes: We just found out that former Secretary of State General Colin Powell has said he's going to vote for Barack Obama. Big impact?
George Will Lie: Ahh, well, in the highfalutin calculus that is political punditry, such measurements of impact can be, unfortunately, imprecise. Nonetheless, we can utilize some instruments to render the kind of determination that yields a ballpark forecast, if you will, of events to come. For instance, consider that both Barack Obama and Colin Powell seem to share a certain hue, a pigmentation of skin, if you'll note. And others in America share it as well. Some good, others not. And all of that must be accounted for in a situation such as this.
StuffinEnvelopes: Uh, ok. Um, Rash?
Rash Limbo: You know, I know the liberal, drive-by media is going to come after me for this, but it has to be said. I know how the game is played, folks, and I'm not makin' this up, and someone has to face the issues head on like ol' Rash here, and I'm not afraid of the websites and blogs. I know they'll call me racist for it, even though they know I'm not. It's not racist to point out the obvious, folks, and that's what this is, obvious. Both B. Hussein Odumbo and Colinitis Towelhead are god damned dirty NI-------
******color pattern and flat-line tone******
certainly captured both their respective styles and opinions. LOL
Does this mean all those white folk who endorsed McCain did so because he's white?
Yes, any white person that endorse McCain is doing so because he is a male and white, according to that guy logic.
First of all, John McCain is a white racist and that is the truth. John McCain is also a WAR CRIMINAL, and no “War Hero.” McCain killed innocent villagers like all cowards do from way above the sky in dropping those bombs on women, children, and men. McCain should have been put on trial for the war crimes against humanity he perpetrated during the Vietnam War alongside his scum-sucking pal, Henry Kissinger. Funny how his little butt-sucking boy Joe Lieberman received five college deferments to escape serving during the Vietnam war. The scumbag Joe Lieberman claimed to be an anti-war and pro-civil rights man at that time. Lieberman never said crap about the Weathermen until this election and the irony is that both he and Ayers both opposed the Vietnam war. It is time to call Lieberman on his hypocrisy regarding his opposition to the Vietnam War. Back to McCain. John McCain's views on women's issues shows him to be a typical male chauvinist pig. The right wing has built its base upon racism, sexism, and homophobia. In election after election whether overtly or under the radar, the Republicans inject racism into presidential campaigns before denying and running from it.
It is time to revive the words racist, male chauvinist pigs and their women apologists on the right, bigots on the right, sexism, and, of course, homophobes. McCain, Palin, and all their apologists fit this description (even if they try to deny it--the more they deny and protest it--the more they fit this category). Right-wingers despise “political correctness” because it disembowels their penchant for being bigots, homophobes, male chauvinist pigs, and yes, racists. That whole “reverse racism” has been a right-wing invention to undercut real talk of white America’s history and legacy of racism.
The GOP are running their usual blustering militarist and misogynist presidential campaign with uber-femme fatale, Sarah Palin attempting to outperform all the X-rated porn actresses to show how she can take orders from Big John and the rest of the right-wing crazy fundamentalists and neocon gurus, and of course the fat slob couch potatoes.
Racism is alive and working in the McCain campaign. Black Agenda Report columnist Paul Street wrote a few weeks back that: "A recent Yahoo/Associated Press/Stanford survey found that white prejudice is costing Obama six percentage points in national polls. Six points sounds low to those like me who are canvassing in the white, small-town field. Consistent with my suspicions at least, the USA TODAY poll finds that whites prefer the atrocious, decrepit, miserable misogynist and war monger John McCain over the outwardly hyper-eloquent centrist Obama by 56 to 36 percent! But even 6 points could be enough to de-rail Obama given the closely divided nature of the U.S. electorate. The last two presidential elections have essentially been statistical ties. The GOP ticket is so malicious and dim-witted and the conjuncture is so poor for the Republicans that Obama may win anyway, but his margin of victory will be far below what a Caucasian Democratic candidate could reasonably expect."
John McCain cannot help his racism. It is rooted in his family and their structural racist past. As Salon writers Suzi Parker and Jack Tapper informed America back in 2000, with the article entitled, "McCain's ancestors owned slaves," his "great-great grandfather William Alexander McCain owned a plantation, and later died during the Civil War as a soldier for the Mississippi cavalry."
John McCain is surely an idiot for not knowing about his family history regarding its owning slaves. As Parker and Tapper wrote:
"But what McCain didn't know about his family until Tuesday was that William Alexander McCain had owned 52 slaves. The senator seemed surprised after Salon reporters showed him documents gathered from Carroll County Courthouse, the Carrollton Merrill Museum, the Mississippi State Archives and the Greenwood, Miss., Public Library...I didn't know that," McCain said in measured tones wearing a stoic expression during a midday interview, as he looked at the documents before Tuesday night's debate. "I knew they had sharecroppers. I did not know that....This documentation includes slave schedules from Sept. 8, 1860, which list as the slave owner, "W.A. McCain." The schedules list the McCain family's slaves in the customary manner of the day -- including their age, gender and "color," labelling each either "black" or "mulatto." The slaves ranged in age from 6 months to 60 years....I knew we fought in the Civil War," McCain went on. "But no, I had no idea. I guess thinking about it, I guess when you really think about it logically, it shouldn't be a surprise. They had a plantation and they fought in the Civil War so I guess that it makes sense...It's very impactful," he said of learning the news. "When you think about it, they owned a plantation, why didn't I think about that before? Obviously, I'm going to have to do a little more research."
McCain comes from a family of racists and he is also a RACIST PIG. I am not surprised such a man would go to the low-level campaign he has resorted to. I wonder why the media has not talked about McCain's shady past more often? If they are going to dig into Obama's past, it is more than fair to raise the issue that McCain hails from a Racist Family of origin.
One other thing---Being a "conservative feminist" is like being a "recovered" sex addict who just happens to eat lunch every day at the nearest strip club.
And, Sarah Palin is not that good looking and surely is no Tina Fey!
Obama's mother came from a family that had owned slaves as well.
Does this make Obama a white supremacist? Hardly.
Sorry, but saying that the actions of someone's ancestors has genetically programmed them into a certain ideology is using the same logic as racism. Re-evaluate your argument.
And no, I am not for McCain. But you really need to think before implying such things.
This is rich beyond belief. We have George Will and Mr Limpdick complaining that General Powell (now stripped in their twisted views to the rank of Corporal) is endorsing Obama because he's black like Powell is? WTF...I will pay solid money to see them say that to Powell's face. More money to follow if there's blood shed.
It amazes me that these guys can be more and more honest about their racist views as we get more and more media coverage, almost as if they're doing it to help their careers. This is how the right in this country sees the first black president: http://brainrageblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/how...
Colin Powell was a favorite for the GOP nomination in 1996, and during the first Bush administration he was more popular than any other figure at the White House.
If there's someone who personifies mainstream values, it's Colin Powell. He's the non-threatening black that Americans long for. It's not unlikely that we would have had similar race-baiting smear campaigns in the event of a Powell presidential run, but the former secretary of state's history as a soldier and public servant in previous presidential administrations would have made any attempt to "otherize" him positively ludicrous.
That's not the case with Barack Obama. At this point in the campaign, the opportunity for the Illinois Senator to roll the Powell endorsement off his lips is the most important mainstreaming push he could possibly have gotten.
'Rrriinnggg, Rrrriinnngg.'
Hey, Colin Powell, it's the United Nations calling. You left your INTEGRITY on the General Assembly floor 5 years ago. It's sitting in our lost and found. Can you come down and get it before we have to toss it?
There's a little tarnish on your Golden Boy, friend.
Oh, and 'the non-threatening black that Americans long for'? WTF? I long for World Peace, Bush in Prison, 61 Democrats in the Senate so Reid can give Liebermann the boot, some corner Infielders with power for my Giants, Cheap Clean Energy, a better job, a stronger economy and a million other things. I think I got over my need for a 'non-threatening black' back in the 80s watching Ben Kinchlow on 'The 700 Club.'
I didn't have cable, there was nothing else on, I didn't feel like reading and I may have been stoned. And man, but if that Ben Kinchlow didn't make Bryant Gumble look like Tupac Shakur.
I hope I live long enough to be able to play a clip of these ignorant racist assholes to my grandchildren and say: "this is how sick America was before we fixed it! Always beware of these kinds of evil people!"
"Always beware of these kinds of evil people!"
for sure!
There are hundreds, thousands, if not millions of WHITES
who intend to vote for McLameBrain ONLY because Obama
is partially Black. And probably George Clueless Will and Rush Limpballs are included in that category, so WHO is/are
the racist?
rash limpballs is so fat, he's an are by himself.
)O(
Black Republicans don't care about black people, so he actually had to override his self-loathing chip implanted by the party, before he could endorse Obama.
Of course its not the least bit ironic that Will and Limbaugh in their haste to characterize Powell as unable to overcome the question of race,prove themselves laughably unable to overcome the question of race.Will is particulary suspect in his need to invoke the names of Sharpton and Jackson: the favorite *cough* er "whipping boys" of the rightwing conservative closet racist.
Racism is awesome, isn't it?
Ain't it.
Limbaugh is nakedly playing the race card, but Will's point is more subtle. Just as Greeks rallied behind Dukakis, Catholics behind Kennedy, Mormons behind Romney and Jews behind Lieberman, Obama should be able to increase the Black turnout by 10-20%. Also, Obama may get 95% of the Black vote instead of the standard 90% that Democrats get due to racial pride, not to be confused with racial prejudice. I think that Will's point is that these extra votes may more than offset the White votes that Obama loses to people who would vote for him if he was White.
Most of us don't want to imagine rash limballs nakedly doing anything.
I don't.
I love Will's comment about how being black is a huge HELP for Obama. He gets 2 votes for being black for every one he loses because of racism. RRRIIIGGHHTTT....
ABC and the Washington Post have never figured out that you can put rimless glasses and a bow-tie on a moron, but he'll still be a moron.
The other great Conservative lie out there is that the current economic troubles all originate with bad mortgages in the inner city. Yep, the whole world economy is threatened with collapse because of the Incredible, Awe-Inspiring Global Economic Power of America's Ghettos. Who woulda thunk?
Who better to attack than those unable to fight back?The hard right LOVES them some "po folk".
Whoever annointed this dip ship as knowing anything about politics is way beyond me. I do know that he is entitled to HIS opinion, but that's as far as I can give him credit. He and cokie (snortin') roberts are two peas in a pod.
I would bet Senator Obama and Biden will get a few votes because Obama is black, and they'll lose a few. So what? Hillary would have gotten a few because she was a woman and lost a few. I don't give a rat's ass.
Fact is, as these pricks can't bring themselves to admit, Colin Powell is still a respected person from the Republican side of the aisle, and his endorsing a Democrat over his own party makes a statement. THAT will gain votes for the Democratic ticket.
george will can go to hell and take cokie with him.
if, for no other reason, all of the blather we've heard in the past couple of weeks about those who won't vote for Obama because he's no white. I know there are a few out there who do think that way - my idiot skinhead neighbor is one of them.
As for Powell's endorsement, I don't think it has anything to do with race OR speculations that he's looking for a job in that administration. His words seemed honest and sincere. I haven't agreed with everything Powell has stood for by a long shot but I do believe he was lied to by BushCo about the war and made his decisions based on those lies. He stepped back after the lies were made public and distanced himself from that den of thieves. After that I had respect for the man. Since he had been a friend of McCain and has been silent about this election so far he was probably getting more pressure to make an endorsement.
How many times can an ignorant white asshole pull the race card before he can be called a racist?
Wasn't that a song by Bob Dillon?
DYLAN
Kinda before my time,
I'm just dialin' it in.
I usta always wonder if Bob DYLAN always had bad nose-bleeds after singing.
Isn't he Matt Dillon's brother? :)
I think you mean Peter Graves.
No, that's Ben Affleck.
wow rush, colin powell has only the named white guys to thank for his success. of course his success has nothing to do with career in the military and what he may have achieved on his own. maybe if poor old rush never had that cyst he could have had his own achievement in the military and been a real hero rather than the empty fat blowhard he his. hope that use of the word fat does not offend anyone but it does kind of jump out at you that he speaks loudly with his big schtick...an anti-hero...
It's all about the teh.
It's reall annoying
Kinda like me.
Will's comment about Powell was that because of Obama's campaign, and all that that campaign encompases, his loss of the "racist democrats (john oliver on the daily show), is more than mitigated by his appeal to centrist and centre right political figures like colin powell. The Second half of the argument is that these centre right politicians are possibly just as eager to vote for a politician of Obama's political philosophy because h is a viable candidate with a wholey different political philosophy from previous black candidates with a national figure, such as Sharpton or Jackson. You can disagree with that if you want, but the initial post is a flagrant twisting of his commentary, and as shamefully dishonest (though not as dripping with violence) as the stuff that comes from LGF or Malkin. Think twice about something rather than going with the most negative interpretation of someones comments.
You went and forced me to actually go and listen to Will's tepid prattlings.I thank you for "unpacking" (God I hate that word)the second (B)part of his musings,because in truth I had no idea what the hell he was talking about.As to the voting(for a Black candidate) so as to feel good about ones self remark,that smacks of the kind of snide observation guys like Will are fond of directing at us "bleeding heart Liberals" who also,(as Will and co. would have it)always feel compelled to vote for the "cool" guy.
I wonder how many of Obama's endorsements by black politicians and leaders would be credited by these guys to anything BUT race..
Who the hell is he and who the hell cares what he thinks. These Sunday pundits all make me sick. They are a bunch of millionaire elitists with overgrown egos.
I couldn't agree more. What qualifies these 2 haters to be on the media???? If I had the choice to listen to the drunk on the street corner, or them, I'd pick the drunk talking about the 2nd coming of Darwin.
I always wanted to see a show where a team of interviewers boards a bus like Charles Kurwhat(?) going all over the country to enter bars, and interview the drunkest people there on topical political issues.
Outta sight, due!
Is probably angling for a new cabinet position.
His job at Chippendale's is coming to an end.
The Republicans are crybabies.
That said, I don't care what Colin Powell has to say.
Any respect I had for him disappeared the day he agreed to be Secretary of State for the Bush Regime.
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For George Will and Rush Limbaugh...
... Their hate is all about teh black, too.
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Time Magazine (which I don't read) says Powell's endorsement is an important one:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,859...
So I guess Time is now racist, too?
I am not voting for Obama because he is half black and I have some kind of white guilt.
I am voting for Obama because he is a Democrat.
The Repigs have been a disaster for this country ever since Ronnie RayGun bullshitted his way into the White House.
I think in George Willworld, putting paid to Sharpton and Jackson means to shut down race baiting by voting for a Black, thus depriving them of an issue. This is possible ... in Willworld. Someone would vote or endorse based upon what Al Sharpton might say in that long ago and far away land.
There used to be a report on the media called Brill's Content, and in there they rated the talking heads according to how their prognostications worked out here on earth. Will constantly scored right at the bottom.
I agree with the comment from a previous poster. Should I be suspicious of shriveled old angry white men supporting the same with John Mcain?
I agree with Rush and Will.
This pick is all about race, if you are a racist, like Rush and Will and all of the McCain voters.
George, only people like you toss and turn at night over what Sharpton/Jackson say. The rest of us change the channel, or not. We're too busy laughing, cheering, jeering, crying, or screaming to prove anything. Since when do we give a fuck about proving anything to anyone?
I understand that Mr. Powell's word has to be taken with a grain of salt after his U.N. speech that led us to war in Iraq, but can't you at least give him the benefit of the doubt?
No worries. Come November 5th when Obama wins by a LANDSLIDE, including millions upon millions of WHITE votes, these rightwing blowhards are going to become completely irrelevant and relegated into the dustbin of history.
Just watching Pat Buchanan on MSNBC, this quote from this article resonates:
"Really, you want to go diving into that "how ungrateful that black man is for all the white men have done for him" abyss?"
Buchanan dove right in with relish; he practically SAID what that quote up there is saying. The conservatives either have no idea how bad this makes them look or they're past the point of caring, and they'll do anything to keep a black man out of the White House. It'd be sad if it didn't infuriate me so.
But now he is.
I suggest that every time a white politician or retired military guy throws his support behind McCain, the media starts questioning whether he made that decision based on race.
You want to know why they're attacking Powell? Because he shoots holes in their "Obama's secretly a muslim terrorist extremist" argument.
Don't think that Powell wasn't prepared for being tarred and feathered.
George Will is trying his best to kneecap Powell's endorsement because he knows Gen. Powell still has some clout, especially with the career military types.
Life must be hard for old Georgie Will. I always wonder who the hell reads or listens to George Will anyways.
I try (emphasis on try) to read his silly, garbled twaddle. He writes like a high school student, hell-bent on getting an A and thinking it can be done by cross-checking with the thesaurus every other word. Will is supposed to be this wise old sage; I don't see it.
obama had 175k at a rally in mo last week
and yet, these asshats are still talking race
this is one effed up country
The report was that 100k turned out, somehow.
Now you claim it was 175k???
Pretty soon it will be 250k, Obama's magic number.
George Will should be discarded for suggesting that Powell lied about why he endorsed Obama. He gave the most clear and concise reasons that had nothing whatsoever to do with race.
In the same tone from the opposite side, Mr. Will, how many people do you think are voting for McCain because he's white? I'll bet the odds far outweigh what you suggested for Obama for being black.
Freakin' idiot.
George has been a nice, successful conservative journalist for so long, speaking to his own personal choir, that he doesn't even realize how he sounds to readers and viewers across the entire political spectrum. I don't think his comments are racist as much as they are condescending and ill-informed.
"becoming a four-star General is not a political appointment."
Actually, all general officer promotions, especially 3 and 4 stars, are political appointments. They are chosen by the president and confirmed by Congress. One and two star generals can get away with not being politically in line with the president, but 3 and 4 stars are almost always politically connected and in synch with the president that appoints them. Historically, generals appointed by Republicans have endorsed Republicans, and generals appointed by Democrats have endorsed Democrats.
Bringing "race" into the race? Wouldn't that would mean that Powell and Obama bring TWO "races" to the race,since they are both biracial-BOTH black and white. Isn't it time to change the paradigm , and for RACE to denote HUMAN RACE,instead of skin tone?
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Sounds like the same motivation and delivery of hate that hitler advertised in regards to the jews.
The astonishing thing is they don't even consider themselves bigots. It is obvious they are racist to the core though, or they wouldn't even think such a thing. Something about being judged by the content of ones character enters my mind here. I don't believe George or Rush are quite there yet. Still have starched hoods in their closets right over their hank of stretched at the ready rope no doubt.
Assholes!
Well, it doesn't. It is my experience that people who reason like you do not reason at all. They just feel, and if they can't argue and make points, they insult and call names. They are in short, low class and a disgrace to society. Try learning some manners. The point of both Mr. Will and Mr. Limbaugh is that Mr. Powell is endorsing a man whose positions on virtually everything is opposite of his (Mr. Powell's) record. When a man does that, and turns his back on those who he has supported and who supported him, the reason leads to reasonable questions. It is hardly racist to suggest that their could be racial reasons. This is true in this case, as it would be true if someone supported a Klu Klux Klan bigot or a Black Panther Bigot or any other person who the sole reason for supporting them is their race. That is a definition of racist. And your (and almost everyone else who is posting here) insulting and vile insults of those who provide reasons for what they say, only lends credence to what they say, and gives reasonable people reason to pause at what you say.
Well, it doesn't. It is my experience that people who reason like you do not reason at all. They just feel, and if they can't argue and make points, they insult and call names. They are in short, low class and a disgrace to society. Try learning some manners. The point of both Mr. Will and Mr. Limbaugh is that Mr. Powell is endorsing a man whose positions on virtually everything is opposite of his (Mr. Powell's) record. When a man does that, and turns his back on those who he has supported and who supported him, the reason leads to reasonable questions. It is hardly racist to suggest that their could be racial reasons. This is true in this case, as it would be true if someone supported a Klu Klux Klan bigot or a Black Panther Bigot or any other person who the sole reason for supporting them is their race. That is a definition of racist. And your (and almost everyone else who is posting here) insulting and vile insults of those who provide reasons for what they say, only lends credence to what they say, and gives reasonable people reason to pause at what you say.
Is this some new black race that I am unaware of? Or has C&L under new management? COMMON MAN this is a header!
its fine
I don't like to find myself agreeing with Rush Limbaugh, but in this case he's absolutely right.
Powell said that, although EACH of the nominees would be a good president, one of the most compelling factors in pushing him away from endorsing McCain was the "divisiveness and negativity" that has been introduced into this campaign by his Repiglicant Party.
The Bush Repiglicants spread the vicious rumor and LIE that Vietnam War hero John McCain fathered an illegitimate black child.
...But that wasn't "divisive and negative" enough for Powell.
The Repiglicants viciously attacked Vietnam War hero John Kerry, LYING about his war record and war award status.
...But that wasn't "divisive and negative" enough for Powell.
The Repiglicants viciously attacked fellow Vietnam War veteran Al Gore, LYING about his claims re the Internet and his voting record.
...But that wasn't "divisive and negative" enough for Powell.
The Repiglicants viciously attacked THE CLINTONS, LYING about Bill RAPING women and Hillary KILLING a man.
...But that wasn't "divisive and negative" enough for Powell.
But when they dared to ask of a fellow black man, "Who is the real Barack Obama?", that was over the line, huh?
I call it Bullshit.
Then you're not paying attention.
Powell admitted that a certain amount of back-and-forth is 'accepted' in political campaigning, and that's not just Powell's view, but what we, as voters and Americans, also give a nod to.
Bush (White) attacking McCain (White), while negative, is not divisive. White guys generally don't sue other white guys for racial discrimination.
McCain (White) attacking Obama (Black) adds divisive to an already negative campaign. McCain/Palin have also implied that a black man cannot be patriotic, that a black man cannot be a good person, that there are 'real' Americans and 'fake' Americans (kind of like the evangelical trend to label people 'real' Christians and 'fake' Christians).
So we expect General Powell to turn into Uncle Tom and kiss Massah John's $500 loafers? We expect a four-star general to polish the brass of a guy who was 895th out of a class of 900 in the Navy, and had a penchant for crashing fighters?
And that when he doesn't, it's because he's a white-hating ungrateful ******?
There's certainly bullshit around, but it's definitely Limbaugh-shaped.
[[McCain (White) attacking Obama (Black) adds divisive to an already negative campaign. McCain/Palin have also implied that a black man cannot be patriotic, that a black man cannot be a good person, that there are 'real' Americans and 'fake' Americans (kind of like the evangelical trend to label people 'real' Christians and 'fake' Christians).]]
The Repiglicant campaign hasn't been that "a black man" cannot be patriotic, a good person or a real American. It is that Barack Obama may not be one.
That is NO DIFFERENT than what they did to John Kerry.
In fact, the Repiglican Bushie attack on John McCain in 2000 was not only that he fathered an illegitimate black child but that he might have been brainwashed by the N. Vietnamese and turned into a counter spy!
...But that wasn't "divisive and negative" enough for Powell NOT to give Bush/Cheney a RINGING ENDORSEMENT, much less go so far as to endorse the Democratic candidate.
If you don't see that this is based on skin color and nothing else, then I suppose you're convinced Oprah Winfrey just hadn't seen any reason to endorse a Democrat over GEORGE W. BUSH on issues of war, Contstitutional Rights or the economy until Barack Obama came along.
And who will Condi Rice vote for?
So when Powell endoresed Reagan, Bush daddy and Bush jr. what do we call that??????
Maybe George and Rush should admit their comments have a racial tone to them. It could be the General is telling the truth when he justifies his decision and they are unwilling to accept fact and reality and had rather blame some other motive.
Maybe George and Rush should admit their comments have a racial tone to them. It could be the General is telling the truth when he justifies his decision and they are unwilling to accept fact and reality and had rather blame some other motive.
...And for every endorsement McCain gets not because he's white he gets two endorsements because he is white.
So, if black guy votes for white guy, he's a good American. If black guy votes for black guy, he's just another part of the darkie conspiracy?
Freedom is speech is wonderful in the sense that yes, you can express differing views. It puts hate-mongering racist bastards in the limelight.
But, please, now that they stand revealed as hate-mongering racist bastards, can we now reaffirm that this kind of horseshit does not belong on the public airwaves?
Let Condi Rice run and see how many white men and white women support her. It's not about race, chum, it's about values.
And what values are those, Phil?
The ones that Rush Limbaugh talks about when he spins yarns about a 30-year conspiracy to make a black man president, so that the black man will rise up and overthrow the white man?
So why is it when I mock Limbaugh by referring to the 'darkie conspiracy,' you'll take me to task for my language, instead of calling out Limbaugh's crap-for-thinking?
Values. Yes, that's exactly what the conservatives have been selling us for years, not just the past eight. Family values, Christian values, conservative values. So, with this abundance of values, where's the amazing new Renaissance of enlightenment and purity?
Where do torture and breaking the very laws you swore to uphold fit in to these VALUES, Phil?
I think Powell laid all the cards out on the table and I have to tell you that I am in complete agreement. It is not too late for the respectable conservatives to seek redemption rather than allow McCain to drag them all into the toilet.
John McCain is a white racist and that is the truth. John McCain is also a WAR CRIMINAL, and no “War Hero.” McCain killed innocent villagers like all cowards do from way above the sky in dropping those bombs on women, children, and men. McCain should have been put on trial for the war crimes against humanity he perpetrated during the Vietnam War alongside his scum-sucking pal, Henry Kissinger. Funny how his little butt-sucking boy Joe Lieberman received five college deferments to escape serving during the Vietnam war. The scumbag Joe Lieberman claimed to be an anti-war and pro-civil rights man at that time. Lieberman never said crap about the Weathermen until this election and the irony is that both he and Ayers both opposed the Vietnam war. It is time to call Lieberman on his hypocrisy regarding his opposition to the Vietnam War. Back to McCain. John McCain's views on women's issues shows him to be a typical male chauvinist pig. The right wing has built its base upon racism, sexism, and homophobia. In election after election whether overtly or under the radar, the Republicans inject racism into presidential campaigns before denying and running from it.
It is time to revive the words racist, male chauvinist pigs and their women apologists on the right, bigots on the right, sexism, and, of course, homophobes. McCain, Palin, and all their apologists fit this description (even if they try to deny it--the more they deny and protest it--the more they fit this category). Right-wingers despise “political correctness” because it disembowels their penchant for being bigots, homophobes, male chauvinist pigs, and yes, racists. That whole “reverse racism” has been a right-wing invention to undercut real talk of white America’s history and legacy of racism.
The GOP are running their usual blustering militarist and misogynist presidential campaign with uber-femme fatale, Sarah Palin attempting to outperform all the X-rated porn actresses to show how she can take orders from Big John and the rest of the right-wing crazy fundamentalists and neocon gurus, and of course the fat slob couch potatoes.
Although I think your name-calling is hilarious, it probably detracts from an important point you're making:
We need to, as a country, get past this Viet Nam thing. It's like a mental quagmire for Americans. The Right uses it against us: "They want us to lose, like we did in Viet Nam" or "They're surrender monkeys" or "If it weren't for the hippies."
Nobody will come out and admit that--forget our tactics, which were brutal--our REASONS for being in Viet Nam were far from noble. And if we can admit that, we can create massive change.
To most people, Viet Nam showed that "America can't always win." What they should realize from that experience is, "America isn't always right or righteous." And when we're willing to admit that, the whole "pro-America"/"anti-America" or "he's a patriot"/"he's unpatriotic" spins become irrelevant.
When your government kills its own citizens, as they did in Ohio and other incidents, (not to mention the innocent civilians of other countries) to protect the interests of the powerful, does that make groups like the Weather Underground terrorists or patriots?
George Will is right about one thing: Obama will put "Black power" advocates Sharpton and Jackson out of business.
Hey Idiots:
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were NOT In the "Black Power Movement" but, rather, in the traditional civil rights movement which emanated from the Black Church.
There was a Black Power Movement, but King and Jackson were not part of that specific movement in Black America.
It is typical ignorance to conflate the many movements of the 1960s. Just because one is black and advocates civil rights does not mean they are tied to the "Black Power" movement. Thus, George Will's own analysis of the entire civil rights movement is quite inaccurate.
This endorsement speaks volumes and I believe it will be a needle mover for two relevant voter segments this election: (1) moderate Republicans who are becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the extreme rightward direction of the McCain-Palin campaign and (2) people who are holding back on Obama-Biden primarily because of foreign policy and national security concerns.
Aside from the blemish on his record in relation to the Iraq war, General Powell still garners tremendous respect from the vast majority of Republicans, and every Republican President in the last three decades has sought his advice on National Security and Foreign Policy issues. I hope that General Powell's endorsement will sway the votes of some members of the two above-mentioned segments away from John McCain and Sarah Palin and towards Senators Obama and Biden.
This election is still too close for my comfort, and the news about General Powell aside, it will be important for those of who support Senator Obama to get to the polls on election day (or sooner if you can!) and vote not only to ensure his victory, but also to demonstrate the greater sense of unity and solidarity our country desperately needs right now.
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This is the one question that no one seems to answer, especially when grandiose statements (in the guise of Pat Buchanan and George Will) are made.
We can't even support each other without such an insinuation.
"Is Will trying to suggest that Powell has some variation of "white man's guilt" and is seeking to mollify it by endorsing Obama?"
He probably does, but that's obviously not the whole reason.
It's not a black thing that Powell is voting for Obama. Even if it was. SO WHAT?? Some white folks won't vote for Obama cause he's black and totally refuse to acknowledge that he's half white. Isn't it the racist's motto, stick with your own kind. So black people can't do the same?
Anyway, Powell put the whole thing in perspective and said it very eloquently. People like George Will and Rush limpdick need to man up and acknowlege the truth. and no one cares what they think.
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They are basing their ASSumptions on absolutely nothing other than their own racism. Did they even listen to Powell's obviously very well thought out reasoning? If Powell's endorsement was based on rae as they claim, he would've endorsed a long time ago. Will and Limbaugh are obviously anti-American and probably pal around with the KKK.
Powell knows that his endorsement of Obama carried the risk of igniting discussions such as this. If he wished to completely eliminate the specter of racism from his politics he would not have endorsed anyone. He would have recused himself from the politics of this campaign and simply voted his conscience like most of us do. His actions despite his eloquent denials were guaranteed to be viewed as racially motivated. No wonder he was so ineffectual as Secretary of State.
Flawed logic of course, but not surprising coming from racist Republicanz. Obama is biracial or black as some would perceive him but the larger issue that is fully acknowledged and that is the Democratic Party is a diverse organization made up of all racial group and socio economic background, as opposed to the Republican Party which is white male dominated and moving towards being and ineffectual minority party. Therefore by Will’s and Limbaugh’s argument George Bush must have a hole lot of black for Powell to vote and support and be complicit in the killing of hundred of thousands of Iraqis who did not provoke or had anything to do with 9/11.
The fact is that when you have played your hand as these people have then you go back to the cupboard and pull out the old staple...in this case race.
Yo:
Michael Powell was appointed to the FCC in the first place by Clinton in '98.
Does that change things?
Bush designated Michael Powell, Colin's son, CHAIRMAN of the FCC.
And with that 3 years later he targeted Howard Stern, a previously FAMOUS pro-Bush/pro-Iraq War titan of the airwaves who switched to being a FAMOUS anti-Bush/anti-Iraq War/PRO-John Kerry titan of the airwaves, pushing the stations who carried him to SHUT DOWN his program on bogus three year old charges, as the 2004 election drew closer.
And that is exactly what they did.
But Colin Powell saw nothing "divisive and negative" enough in that to disavow his support of the Bush administration and endorse John Kerry.
Disgusting ignorant racist pigs.
The republican party cannot function as it is in the 21st century.
They don't have one thing to do with merit or ability.
Sell that to private Joe who still has hope...
Those republicans don't even make a half-assed effort anymore to cover their bigotry. This political party can't leave the planet soon enough.
Of course. If Obama wins, it's because he's black (that's a big advantage, you know, along with his middle name) If he loses, it's because he's a socialist. Sound reasoning carries very little weight with people like Limbaugh---it's better to just keep turning that radio dial to a ball game or country music or anything else.
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rash or rusty as his mom calls him...is a pedophile he rapes little boys in other countries...remember he got busted going into the Dominican with illegal drugs and viagra...arent they black little boys rusty...hmmm ties in with your sick racism...people that have known him for years say he has always been into kiddieporn...so if you waste yourself listening to him you must be like him...you know birds of a feather flock together...
It has nothing to do with race.
Powell endorsed Obama because Obama is a tool of the elites. Just like Powell was. Powell is CFR, Powell is Trilateral, and Bilderburg. Make the connections. Who else endorses Obama? Zbigniew Brzezinski - a trilateral founder and stooge of the Rockefeller clan.
Powell was a house servant, and so is Obama.
While the rest of their race - and everyone else - toils on the Masters plantation. He wouldn't be the first to sell out his own race to advance himself.
Afterall - the Black Panthers were infiltrated and brought down by black FBI agents. And it was Jesse on the Balcony in Memphis when MLK was shot.
It seems to me that the rethugs have a memory problem....these are the same bunch of incompetents who threw Powell under the bus when they had him make the statement at the UN supporting the Neocons run up to the Iraqi War. I say to Powell, you have regained your honor and to the rethugs,"Payback is a bitch, ain't it?"
Powell just gave these good ol boys a lot of ammunition with which to shoot themselves. Many already have, and it's only been a few hours since Powell picked Obama over mccain...
What in hell does Obama's race have to do with Colin Powell's endorsement?
George Will is an idiot, imo. Why would he even inject race into the discussion?
It was a political discussion before George Will brought up race.
Does it mean George Will is a racist?
Tommy boy brought up the race issue. He asked Powell about whether his decision was racially based. It's the Libs that are fanning the flames of racism and gullible conservative commentators are taking the bait every time.
"Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race," Limbaugh wrote in an e-mail. "OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with."
Somebody should ask that pile of human waste Limbaugh just HOW MANY presidents Colin Powell endorsed AT ALL. I don't think he retired from the Army too long ago and if I'm not mistaken military personnel are not permitted to publicly and formally endorse one candidate or another. I believe it would be considered inappropriate.
SO, Powell retires from the military in the mid to late nineties and then is in George Bush's cabinet...
Doing the math, spaced at a presidential election every 4 years it doesn't look like he's had many opportunities to endorse ANYONE really.
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If Limbaugh hadn't avoided the Vietnam draft by claiming to have a boil on his butt, he'd know what restrictions are placed on military members.
No, Limbaugh's, Will's, and Buchanan's comments were racially motivated.
Funny, when Powell was sticking up for Condi it wasn't racially motivated.
What changed? Oh, Obama isn't a republican. I get it.
Amazing, calling Rush a scum bag would not be an insult, just a factual description. He has always been a Bigot, this just confirms it!
One week he makes sense, the next week he's a complete dick! Who would choose Obama for being level headed or perhaps, even handed? Obviously, no black people would nor would those white people who want to "feel good". Dick! Asshole! Douchebag!
Didn't Limbaugh refer to Obama as a HALFrican American in the past? I truly don't understand how some people blindly follow a person with as serious a prescription drug habit as Limbaugh. Oxycontin is some powerful stuff and for him to need it to function shows that something is wrong with him.
You don't know what you're talking about.
George Will must be a Nazi. His logic as to Powell's endorsement of Obama equates to us Democrats being able to make the same ridiculous leap. McCain must also be a Nazi by his this logic.
It is somehow not possible for Powell to endorse Obama, just on the merits.
Limbaugh, that man is a caricature of himself, a pathetic example of white gutter politics. I expect this manure justification from the likes of this peon of an American. He is but an vivid example of the last salvos of racist commentators who's air wave days are numbered in this great nation.
George Will owes the intellectual community, Senator Obama, Democrats and indeed all Americans an apology. He knows better, or at least; he should admit he has an agenda that is driving his stupid conclusions.
I am no more voting for Senator Obama because he is black; than any other American is. We are voting for Senator Obama because the multitude of reasons that the last 7 years plus has availed us to do so. If anything, Mr. Will has demonstrated his racist tendencies by suggesting such a lame and incoherent desperate explanation.
Limbaugh, from this idiot I expect it. Mr. George Will now joins the ranks along Senator John McCain, where we once thought highly of these men; now we see there true nature, their true colors and we wonder just how far are we from the ridiculous assumption that they indeed may be Nazi's.
Why keep legitimizing Limbaugh by posting his nonsense?
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