GOP Strategist Karen Hanretty: Jesus? Great guy, not so great a reader...
It's hard to argue with rock solid logic that GOP strategist Karen Hanretty offers up on The Ed Show. In a discussion of whether providing health care to all citizens is a moral imperative, Hanretty informs us that Jesus would probably not like health care reform because he would avoid the 1000 pages of bill Congress has drafted, just as he avoided the Pharisees.
SCHULTZ: Karen, where is the Christian leaders (sic) in this country, the four that I named at the top of this show tonight. They’ve been very silent on the moral obligation to cover every American. This is a big play, what do you think?
HANRETTY: Well, I think it’s interesting. You know, you were saying earlier if Christ came back, if this was the Second Coming, what would He do? And you know, we know when Christ walked the Earth he was very careful not to let the Pharisees entrap him in legalistic disputes. And I think that would be the case with this 1,000 page health care bill. I think that, you know, the Christian community, we have an obligation to care for the poor, and for children, orphans and widows, and that is our commandment. I think a lot of churches do that. I’m not sure there’s something in the Bible that talks about should you have a single health care payer program, you know, what are the details…
So the commandment to take care of others, that goes out the window if you have to trudge through several hundred pages of writing? I'm not sure I like the "Jesus as a slacker" motif, but I have one way to simplify it: "Medicare for all". I think even your slacker Jesus could manage to read three words, Karen.
But honestly, it was the next exchange that made me cringe at what laughingstocks we must be to the rest of the world: the discussion of health care reform during End Times.
HANRETTY: I think it’s very…I think it’s very…quite frankly, I think you really pushed the limits, Ed, when you say that if Christ came to Earth, he would encourage us to support this health care bill.
SCHULTZ: We’re out of time with this, but I want to say that I’m not pushing the limits on this, because if Jesus were to come back and have the Second Coming, while we’re on the face of the Earth, I don’t think he’d be denying care to anybody.
HANRETTY: You think in the middle of the Rapture, in the middle of the Rapture, he’d be taking a health care survey? You’re insane! I love that. That’s crazy.
Yeah, thinking that Jesus would care for the least of us on this planet, that's crazy, but believing in a Rapture overseen by a slacker Jesus, that's totally normal.
Oy.
Jesus wouldn't have been tricked into helping the sick and infirmed?
WTF are the RWNJ's smoking (I kinda want to try that brand just to see if it really makes people THAT stooopid!)
lol
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
and a member of the NRA ; )
Don't you mean Jesus IS a republican?!?
Oh God, they have me doing it. This is really sad.
Thats what gets me you look at the people from that part of the world and yet these idiots still think jesus and all of the people in the bible were white. Talk about xenophobia.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
she's Jesus' best friend... honestly, what a bunch of loons!
what a bureaucratic nightmare that would've been with a public option in place!
=)
The rest of the planet thinks "American Christianity" is an odd and not very "Christian" cult type thing.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
... not separation from reality. Talking about Jesus vetting a health care bill is what is insane, Hanretty.
Higher premiums and generous co-pays? If you can't afford to make the insruance companies ultra-rich you just aren't Godly.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Avoiding the part about the rapture not being in the bible, she's right. Rapture Jesus is apparently more concerned with making non-believers explode from the inside out, at least if you buy into the left behind series.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
As I get older and sicker and skinnier I guess I'll explode.
I'll leave less mess to be picked up by someone.
NOW I feel better.
I just love it when the right wing obsesses over fictional characters..
Does this idiot seriously think Jesus commented on Mosaic Law without ever having studied it? Seriously?
Any thorough reading of the Bible would show Jesus knew the Mosaic Law very well. He had to in order to challenge the Pharisees. The best way to get around the rules is to know what they are!
But of course, that's not the Republican Way. They'd much rather run their mouths off about imaginary shit, and shit they know nothing about. If they still wanted to oppose the bill, they could read the damn thing and build their arguement based on the facts, but that's having too high an expectation of them, I suppose.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Is a strictly American baptist construct.
These assholes are the biggest bunch of immature douchebags the world has ever seen.
It's easy to spin any statement or comment when one's entire premise of their faith is based entirely on conjecture with little basis in fact.
I fear that there will be much blood spilled before these idiots are evicted from power.
End of the World scenarios are a common eschatological millennialism motif.
However, the idea that some Christians will be taken up and avoid the entirity of the upheaval is somewhat heretical, in line with Calvinism and Jansinism's predestined elect and damned.
And it really doesn't matter if they're pre-tribulation or post-tribulation, it is at odds with Matthew 24:36, 40-44, and 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3. This is despite the fact that millennialists lightly based their doctrine on the Latin Vulgate of St Jerome's translation of 1 Thessalonians, 4:16-17. This version of scripture seems to be a repetition of:
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Matthew 27: 50-53 KJV
Additionally, it's odd that the Protestants (most of the rapturists,) would even use the Vulgate, since it is seen by many of them as a mistranslation favored by Roman Catholics.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Oh yeah, many of the millennialsts say that the damned will be destroyed out right, whereas the traditional teaching is a Final Judgment followed by an eternity writhing in Hell.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
He would not care to return here, even if it were possible.
I'm sure His Father has him looking after other worlds with intelligent lifeforms.
"If Jesus came back and saw what was being done in his name, he'd never stop throwing up."
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
Considering the "rapture" is just fundie bullshit with no grounding in Jesus' teachings, whereas care for the poor and sick is kinda ALL OVER EVERYTHING HE SAID, EVER, I think I know which file Ms. Compassion's remarks ought to go into.
Poor Carpenter. Not only did he get made into a god, which he never wanted, but then the idiots yammering his name ignore everything he ever said. Guy's nothing but a hood ornament on their Holy Roller Bandwagon.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
You sir speak the truth.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
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Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
Perfectly said, Excelsior
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
It is unbelievable that so called followers of Jesus are so absolutely dead set against caring for the sick.
"not by works (at ALL) but by faith". They already SAID they believed in Jesus, so now they just have to sit around and wait for their "rapture" . . . there's nothing more they need to do to ensure their seat in heaven.
I say we make the FEMA camps into "Rapture camps" and send the loons there until they float up into the loving arms of all the people they killed with their insanity.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
If only those fundies knew how eagerly WE are waiting for their rapture to come. Jesus, pleeeease come get these children of yours! They're driving us nuts!
I don't remember too much that I learned in Sunday school as a kid, but I do think if Jesus showed up on the scene today he would do some seious ass kicking to those who allow people to starve, get sick and die, just because they can't afford food and medicine. I think we would have one holy pissed off dude.
So she says just fu*k it because the rapture is coming and who gives a fu*k about anything that happens between now and then. Is she mentally ill?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
of course she's mentally ill.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
......loves to watch idiots make themselves look even more idiotic with every word they speak.......how can one become that stupid in such few short years?
i just heard some audio, on randi rhodes, of a "panel discussion" on hannity, included frank luntz (i think)...
wow.
one guy said the mobs were getting the wrong information from fox...
another (or same?) said all the nazi/socialist/etc words are the new code for the n-word...
oh! it was great!
I saw videos of that over at Kos, but I don't remember how I found them. Someone commented and suggested that it was a setup so fox could claim they don't screen the people who come on.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
There are two members of my extended family who believe in the rapture and two more who I suspect do. The first two are kind and gentle people but the other two are greedy bastards. Go figure
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
This is one time I'm glad I've outlived all my family...some of them would be in there screaming the same "Jesus" stuff......:)
and not a one of them has ever come back to tell me how wonderful it is "up there"...........
I only have my sister left and I haven't been in contact with her for years and years because she's all about Jesus while lying to me and trying to literally steal a whole bunch of money from me. She tried to lose weight by joining her church group, and I'm not kidding about this, she joined Losing for Christ, it was a diet group.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
bastards be surprised if Jaysus came down and leaves the Rapture ready hypocrites behind?
they're all busy still trying to find the word "rapture" in their bye bull......
oh, wait....it's "buy bull".......:)
I think it was the part where they made J carry the heavy cross...it was hernia not rupture
Considering how Jesus made it clear that it was the meek and humble who were really favored, these people will likely be chucked into the big shake-n-bake for their hubris, self-righteousness, literalism and greed - each one of those a sin he SPECIFICALLY preached against.
They'll have to spend eternity hanging out with the very people they despise. And their god won't care anymore, so there'll be nothing to protect them from the Godless Heathen Masses. Won't THAT be fun?
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I clicked on Karen's name in the post and she has some history of saying dumb shit things. I guess that is her specialty.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Wow, she is so out of place then ;-)
"That's crazy."
Another textbook case of right wingnut projection.
Is health care a moral obligation? Yes, of course. But it must not be government mandated or interfere with corporate profits.
Fundamentalism is when you use religion to justify absurdity.
Posted in the wrong place. :p
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I am not a Christian but . . .
I have a feeling if there was any Cheesus coming around again he wouldn't be hugging the homophobes and haters.
Just sayin . .
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
From what I can remember about the guy, he was supposed to be an equal opportunity helper. The one time he was said to get pissed was at the money changers on the steps of the church or something. Had he come back during the wall street rip offs, he would have probably gone the heavenly equivalent of "postal"
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Jesus got pissed not because the money-changers existed. They were necessary because people had to change Roman coins (which had pictures of the Emperor on them, and so came under the "false gods" edict) for proper shekels, which could be used in the Temple to buy sacrificial animals for the offerings. So they were just doing a necessary job.
Noooo. What pissed Jesus off was that they were MAKING A PROFIT. That's what ticked him - that people working at the Temple were taking advantage of a sacred duty to make a nice bundle on the side.
If THAT isn't irony, I don't know what is.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
These same people have no problem endorsing wars one Jesus' behalf. They're fine with sending the carriers out to bomb things because they think Jesus would support it.
Odd how that willingness doesn't extend to the much more Jesus-like idea of universal healthcare. How to account for the discrepancy...? Oh- of course. One is good for big money, and one isn't.
I like Ed Schultz much of the time but I'm not sure I like it when the left jumps on the WWJD bandwagon. I'd really prefer to leave that side of the street to be worked by the wingnut fundies.
Of course, despite her cries of "crazy," I'm pretty sure Hanretty has very certain beliefs on what her Jesus' opinion would be on abortion, evolution and a whole list of other subjects that please the Republican base.
If you're going to go up against your enemy, you have to be willing to contend on whichever front is necessary. These guys run around outright lying about everything. Why should we shut up just because the lies are in the religious sphere? If we don't take them down on that front, they'll sound like they have the upper hand there. They don't, not any more than on any other debate, so why should they be spared?
I left Catholicism thirty-five years ago, but I'm still not willing to let them look like they know what the fuck they're talking about here. Give an inch, they'll take the whole damn planet. No, thank you. I'll fight.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
If you have a bunch of healthy people watching your televangelist teevee show they tend not to send money in so Brother Pat or Jerry or Whomever can pray for ya to git well.
Twisted.
Is it the 21st century yet?
"Your Christians are so unlike your Christ". - Ghandi
True, so true.
weren't discussed in the bible either
poly-cotton blends were, go figure!
A little off the path but a good thought to begin the weekend, according to a post over at Kos, Travelocity is dropping Beck from their ad schedule
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
The only adverts left on his show will be "Sham-WOW" or . . .
Maybe not even them . . .
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
"Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people."
Doris Egan, House M.D., The Right Stuff, 2007
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Funny, rational arguments have almost always worked on the religious people I knew. Of course, they weren't frothing fundies unable to think straight.
Yet again, another assumption - because there are loud loonies on the religious fringe, that must mean that EVERY religious person is an idiot. Just like the loonies on the left-wing fringe define every liberal that lives. Way to legitimize the wingnut tinhattery, there.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
all Grassley needs is a mention of Jesus and a couple of well placed heil Hitlers to take care of his base
Such a jaded philosophical outlook certainly puts the LIE to the term "Compassionate Conservative".
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Jesus of Nazareth OPPOSED to the Pharisees, and NOT a member in good standing? Wasn't Jesus supposed to have driven the money-changers out of the Temple, and not just an "enforcer" for them?
From reading Jeff Sharlet's tome "The Family", one can draw the conclusion that these modern-day C-Street Christians are not actually christians -- more like a twisted demonic possession of Calvinistic oligarchs.
I rather like Mohandas Gandhi's comment "I like your Christ, but not your Christians." Rampant hypocrisy has a tendency to drive thinking people away from organized Christian religion -- it did to me.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
It is a religion made by committee, and it has always acted that way. I have no clue why there is always a need to act as if their display of hypocrisy is a recent turn of events, if anything Christianity has mellowed down a bit from the days in when they turned burning people at the stake into an spectators' sport.
perversion and inversion of their religion (think Black Mass, where everything is opposite), the The Family's take on Christianity strikes me as actually being satanic in that vein, because they took Jesus' social gospel and turned it its head for their own power and greed...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Satan or no Satan.
sobering experience...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
I am not kidding. I have such a bad feeling about them. You, too?
Apparently, it is too complex of a thought process for the Conservative mind.
http://psychoanalystsopposewar.org/blog/2007/...
If they can't get hypocrisy biologically, they are hopeless. Is there a cure for stupid?
Is it the 21st century yet?
We're awaiting the final verdict from our end-of-life consultants' panel.
Jesus is great when it helps them shovel their agenda down other people's throats. As soon as he gets in the way of their profits, he is kind of a pussy to them.
Which helps proving my point: to the modern conservative there is only one right: the entitlement of their corporations to profit. And only one severe crime: for anyone to affect their bottom line. Anything else is fair game to them...
The Family outright states that they have a superior version of Jesus. He's the one that made them the new chosen people. He's a businessman.
"I think it would be a good idea."
Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
..I can joyfully proceed to Happy Hour. Thank you, sir/madam.
I'm right behind you. The bar is now officially open.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
:)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
We're supposed to wonder what Jesus, alter ego of God the Genocidal Maniac, would do about health care? Give me a break.
She's right, there's no way Jesus is going to be worrying about health care when he returns (rolling eyes) for the Rapture Bowl, because he's going to be way too busy handing out vengeance and punishment and kicking ass.
...fucked. As long as media continues to give these idiots and their superstitions a platform, we will never have any chance for progress.
the moral angle regarding health care cost reform is important but that angle get's bashed/trumped by the opposition since everything is "about personal responsibility". that would be an interesting place indeed if people considered "personal responsibility" and how it affects everyone. but that aside what about the economic angle. how are we going to put people back to work so they can have personal freedom. health care cost reform is a moral and economic issue that are interconnected. china is implementing a universal health care system. ASK yourself will that encourage more outsourcing of jobs from this country.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/world/asia/...
care of themselves." You know, "I got mine. Fuck you."
you've got it. they love the romance of Darwinian Capitalism. it sounds good but like everything it has shortcomings. the uninsured and underinsured affects everyone. so we are concerned about
"personal responsibility". i hope you looked at that NYTimes article. i think it's important. we need to be concerned about our economy not just CHINA's economy. people work... earn wages... can pay for programs. what a concept.
Just look at what he did! He went around giving people free health care. He took a whip to the money changers (insurance execs?). He called out hypocrites for what they were. I really don't think republicans want to think too hard about what Jesus would have to say to them about now.
...1st they came for the [_________] and I did nothing. Then they came for the [__________] and again I did nuttin..........
Crazy for God...by Frank Schaeffer, He tells it like it is.
You think incorporation(s) are the only ones trying to protect their asses?
The animal(s) will often strike-out when they feel cornered or threatened, it's only natural. Just or unjust, some depend on facts and others...fiction. Sure "The truth shall set you free" only if you can realize it! Knowledge has evolved and will continue to do so. Wasn't there a clip recently that stated "follow the money-trail", I believe that includes "Tax-havens". Don't forget "The Family".
Leave my fellow Patriots alone, they intend no harm... yeah right. ;-/
There is one major belief that is cause for their commonality and will be protected ignorantly or purposefully. Find the true source of their concerns... the labels are rudimentary. It's what we all desire to have in varying degrees... it's how we get there that matters. All my best...tomorrow is another day, enjoy today √
PS.This is the truth as I see it... I could be wrong?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Somebody got to Happy Hour well before I did! ;)
This woman represents everything that I loath about the GOP. She plays the religious right in her attempts of justifying actions that their savior Jesus would NEVER have approved of, and therefore making it "OK" for them to rebel. I wish these kooks would simply just go away, but that is probably not going to happen. Perhaps I will just wish for some inkling of insight and intelligence, perhaps enlightenment in those Christian right-wingers who are so ready to go to war or ignore the health care issues that plague those less fortunate than they are by lending credence to GOP SHILLS like Karen Hanretty.
" What would that socialist hindu aaarab know?" - Joe the Plumber
I'm actually embarrassed for the people who call themselves "Christians" these days. There isn't anything "Christian" about slurring people just because they want to make life a little better for the next person. It's become very evident lately that they truly don't give a darn about the next person. They just want what THEY want and the rest can go to you-know-where.
If Jesus was to come back to earth today, Hanretty and the rest of her pseudo-"Christians" would be fighting amongst themselves to get to the front of the line, so they could be first to call him Hitler (and a Fascist) for wanting to help his fellow man.
The "Christian Movement" in this country has crossed the line into VERY UnChristian-like territory and they should be ashamed of themselves because they are nothing short of being Pretenders!
I think if Jesus showed up right now, he would be beaten to a pulp by the same people who claim to be His followers. All because he supports those in need. That's the way THEY roll.
believes in the Rapture?
She's insane! I love that, that's crazy!
“Verily, verily I say unto you, ye must pulleth thy nose from out of thine instruction books and stuffeth it up thine own arse to partake in the wisdom of Hanretty.”
That’s why the founders of the Christian faith left no written instructions or records for their followers to become mislead through reading.
And you know, we know when Christ walked the Earth he was very careful not to let the Pharisees entrap him in legalistic disputes.
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Hmmm...sounds like Obama's health care reform approach...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlB77vM2FMg
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Obviously she has never read the mmlj fable and didn't realize that JC was indeed a victim of legalistic disputes. The pharasee, you see, were separatists who became devoted to extremists.
JC himself-supposedly- said "But woe to you, scribes(lawyers) and Pharasiees, hypocrites! because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither enter yourselves, nor allow those who would enter to go in."
This was written to example that self-righteousness is not righteouness. An eloquent assessment of Karen Hanretty.
the "pharasees" were the talmudic scholars, who were mainstream
you are thinking the sadukeem, who were the ones who felt that the talmud was not from god, and only kept the written word (the torah)
you see, jesus did not believe in the rule of law...like most of his current repuke followers
but which strand of judaism continued and flourished? the one from the pharasee...the sadukeem died out (although, there is one cult remaining which still only believes in the torah...but most do not hold that they are jewish at all anymore)
and how did christianity survive? by embracing many of the traditions of the pagans that they converted
oh, and scribes are not lawyers...scribes were indeed scribes
the quote you use from jesus, was used as support for many anti semetic activities...so please tread lightly
and lets be honest...the christian of today has absolutely no connection with the jesus described in the new testament
The funny thing is many flattering prayers and phrases to the God-like Emperors, were then placed in the Bible to describe Jesus.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
6 degrees of separation -
Was it Gandhi who said: "The only problem with Christianity is that it has never been tried."?
I'd scout the source, but the rightards have assaulted sense, reason, love and compassion enough for me for one day and I'm tired. Must save my positive energy for the forthcoming harmonic convergence.
By the way, I do know that the "H" in Jesus H. Christ stands for "Healthcare". G'nite
That bimbo moron Hanretty actually had the nerve to call Ed Schultz "crazy" when, in fact...
...she believes the Jesus described in the Bible actually existed when he clearly did not.
...she claims to be a Christian and believes in "The Rapture" when there is absolutely no scriptural basis to support such a belief.
It is the simpleton Hanretty who is crazy.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
For a moment, let's suppose there really is a heaven and a hell. You die. You come to, say, on a bus going somewhere. You look around. Sitting in the seat next to you is Karen Hanretty. Where is the bus going?
^
Another bleach blonde, Reslug BIMBO to kick around. The brainwashed, ignorant, uneducated Reslug Fools are just so easy to prove their habitual lies.
Perhaps Ed reads his Booble differently than these dominionist morons. They think that the canonicals are all in agreement that when Jebus comes back he will usher in the Golden Age with a
rupturerapture and all of the good Christers will be taken up on a mothership to be with "God." Ed probably thinks Jebus will come back unrecognized by all, in which case maybe he's already been and gone: MLK, Gandhi, &c. Not being a dominionist, Ed doesn't think along therupturerapture lines. Like me, he's in no hurry to see the end of the world. He enjoys life and living and thinks we're rewarded by our good deeds right here on earth and have no need of some mythical "Heaven."Ed probably looks forward to a day when, as with Zeus/Jupiter &c. we will no longer worship this Judeo-Christer "God," who never existed, never created anything, and certainly doesn't visit anyone in a little white building with stained glass windows where everyone in attendance goes to church on Sunday and goes to hell on Monday: lying, cheating, stealing, and praising "God" even as they fuck over everyone they can just to make a buck, like that fat billionaire Pat Robber's son. That's the "prosperity gospel" for you. What would Jebus do? Make a lot of money so you can afford health care, then pull up the ladder so nobody else can get it.
That's not the Jesus my parents taught me about.
"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez
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