Hardball: Trying To Defend GWB's Record, Frank Gaffney Blames Saddam For Oklahoma City Bombing
By Nicole Belle Saturday Mar 14, 2009 8:00am
Chris Matthews was so busy patting himself on the back for his surprisingly sharp interview with Ari Fleischer on Wednesday that he let another really BIG whopper of a neo-con lie go past uncommented on Thursday's Hardball.
Frank Gaffney, proud Neo-con and President of the Center for Security Policy is asked if he thought Fleischer was out of line for his statement that we should all be thankful to George W. Bush because Saddam Hussein can't attack us...again. Someone remind me when Saddam attacked us the first time. Gaffney tries to argue that grammatically that wasn't what Fleischer was saying, but the transcript is hard to argue with.
FLEISCHER: ... and I believe this still today. And of course, you and I disagree with it. But after September 11, having been hit once, how could we take a chance that Saddam might not strike again? And that‘s the threat that has been removed, and I think we‘re all safer with that threat being removed.
I'm sure that it comes to no surprise that the latest member of the Bush Legacy PR Team thinks that not only was Fleischer right, but Saddam was far more evil than we ever knew...right down to conspiring with those who committed the Oklahoma City bombing?
MATTHEWS: The polling that took place before we attacked, conducted by “Time” and CNN, showed that 72 percent of the American people, nearly three quarters, believed it was likely that Saddam Hussein was involved in the attack on us 9/11. How do you think they got that idea, that somehow going to war with Iraq was getting even for 9/11?
GAFFNEY: Well, as I said, he kept saying that he was going to try to get even against us for Desert Storm, so it wouldn‘t be unreasonable for people to conclude maybe that that‘s what he was doing. There‘s also circumstantial evidence, not proven by any means, but nonetheless some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence of Saddam Hussein‘s Iraq being involved with the people who perpetrated both the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and even the Oklahoma City bombing.
Um, Neocon-lying-jackass-pulling-facts-from-his-posterior says what? "Compelling" evidence that Saddam's Iraq had something to do with Oklahoma City? Were Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols secret Iraqi agents? And the thoroughly debunked link to the 1993 WTC bombing too? Where the hell does Gaffney get his "compelling evidence"? Why, none other than Laurie Mylroie:
Mylroie has an impressive array of credentials that certify her as an expert on the Middle East, national security, and, above all, Iraq. She has held faculty positions at Harvard and the U.S. Naval War College and worked at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, as well as serving as an advisor on Iraq to the 1992 Clinton presidential campaign. During the 1980s, Mylroie was an apologist for Saddam's regime, but reversed her position upon his invasion of Kuwait in 1990, and, with the zeal of the academic spurned, became rabidly anti-Saddam. In the run up to the first Gulf War, Mylroie with New York Times reporter Judith Miller wrote Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf, a well-reviewed bestseller translated into more than a dozen languages.
Until this point, there was nothing controversial about Mylroie's career. This would change with the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, the first act of international terrorism within the United States, which would launch Mylroie on a quixotic quest to prove that Saddam's regime was the most important source of terrorism directed against this country. She laid out her case in Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein's Unfinished War Against America, a book published by AEI in 2000 which makes it clear that Mylroie and the neocon hawks worked hand in glove to push her theory that Iraq was behind the '93 Trade Center bombing. Its acknowledgements fulsomely thanked John Bolton and the staff of AEI for their assistance, while Richard Perle glowingly blurbed the book as "splendid and wholly convincing." Lewis "Scooter" Libby, now Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, is thanked for his "generous and timely assistance." And it appears that Paul Wolfowitz himself was instrumental in the genesis of Study of Revenge: His then-wife is credited with having "fundamentally shaped the book," while of Wolfowitz, she says: "At critical times, he provided crucial support for a project that is inherently difficult."
None of which was out of the ordinary, except for this: Mylroie became enamored of her theory that Saddam was the mastermind of a vast anti-U.S. terrorist conspiracy in the face of virtually all evidence and expert opinion to the contrary. In what amounts to the discovery of a unified field theory of terrorism, Mylroie believes that Saddam was not only behind the '93 Trade Center attack, but also every anti-American terrorist incident of the past decade, from the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania to the leveling of the federal building in Oklahoma City to September 11 itself. She is, in short, a crackpot, which would not be significant if she were merely advising say, Lyndon LaRouche. But her neocon friends who went on to run the war in Iraq believed her theories, bringing her on as a consultant at the Pentagon, and they seem to continue to entertain her eccentric belief that Saddam is the fount of the entire shadow war against America.
Gaffney, in fact, cited Mylroie in 2003 when he first tried peddling this theory in the pages of the Moonie Times.
Later in the interview (available here) Gaffney actually has the gall to cite Douglas "the stupidest f&#(ing man in America" Feith as credible source to the dangers that Saddam posed.
But did Tweety once--just once--call Frank Gaffney on such egregious and bald-faced lies? 'Course not. Apparently, NBC News division employees don't think that's their job.
Transcript below the fold:
We begin tonight with David Corn of “Mother Jones” magazine and former assistance defense secretary Frank Gaffney, who‘s with the Center for Security Policy.
Frank, let me talk to you about last night and what happened here when Ari Fleischer made that statement, which he later adjusted and said he didn‘t mean it exactly the way it came across, that Saddam Hussein had to be prevented from attacking again and that‘s why we went to war with Iraq. Your thoughts?
FRANK GAFFNEY, FMR ASST. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: Well, I think it‘s important that you read it back, Chris, because he didn‘t say attack us again, so I think Ari was right in his characterization of it as Saddam Hussein could not be allowed to attack again wherever, including, as he had repeatedly promised to do in exacting revenge against the United States for the humiliation that we inflicted upon him in Desert Storm.
And as you and I have talked, sometimes with David, sometimes without him, in the past, we know on the basis of the investigation that was conducted inside Iraq after the place was liberated that he had plans to put chemical and biological agent in aerosol sprayers and perfume sprayers for shipment to the United States and Europe. That‘s the kind of terrorist threat that I think President Bush was right in preemptively stopping and removing Saddam Hussein.
MATTHEWS: The polling that took place before we attacked, conducted by “Time” and CNN, showed that 72 percent of the American people, nearly three quarters, believed it was likely that Saddam Hussein was involved in the attack on us 9/11. How do you think they got that idea, that somehow going to war with Iraq was getting even for 9/11?
GAFFNEY: Well, as I said, he kept saying that he was going to try to get even against us for Desert Storm, so it wouldn‘t be unreasonable for people to conclude maybe that that‘s what he was doing. There‘s also circumstantial evidence, not proven by any means, but nonetheless some pretty compelling circumstantial evidence of Saddam Hussein‘s Iraq being involved with the people who perpetrated both the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and even the Oklahoma City bombing.
So the American people, I think, are not stupid. I think that they were looking at a threat environment in which a guy like Saddam Hussein, who was repeatedly talking about exacting revenge against the United States, who was trying to shoot down our aircraft, who was actively supporting terrorism around the world, was a guy that you don‘t want to have an opportunity to act on his threats. That may be what they were concluding.
MATTHEWS: OK. Well, before we hear from David Corn, let‘s show right now the compilation we have of clips by—comments made on the record, on the air by President Bush and by Vice President Dick Cheney about Iraq and its role in 9/11. Let‘s take a look at them, beginning with Vice President Dick Cheney on “Meet the Press” talking a meeting he described between 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague, a meeting which the 9/11 commission said never took place.
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Can these people ever lose credibility with their base?????
... all you Tweety fans?
Hardball, schmardball.
Tweety flip flops so often does he know what he has said or is he clueless?
Let's assume Tweety REALLY wants to do the right thing but his fast paced
talking gets in his way. His love affair with Tom DeLay also gets in his way.................
Solution: MSNBC purchases a computer for FACT CHECKING and hires someone capable of working it. Imagine!
Tweety will wear an electronic dog collar which the computer expert ZINGS whenever Tweety
makes an untruthful statement or allows his guests to do so without challenging them.
FACT CARDS ARE IMMEDIATELY GIVEN TO TWEETY. He can read them or hold them up
for viewers to read.
WARNING: Tweety will need to take a prescription to reduce his copious amounts of saliva before his
show begins to avoid unnecessary and painful zings.
OR if Tweety is too much of a burden then
TAKE HIM OFF OF THE AIR.
ENOUGH!
Gaffney, you ignorant slut.
;>)
If these mother fucker's don't stop lying, eventually no one outside on the psycho fringe will believe anything that they say. I once had a girl friend(for a very short time) who lied so much that the truth became irrelevant...she must have been republican.
ewwww.....a republican girlfriend. What were you thinking? It's a good thing you didn't continue with that for very long cuz' you know they can pass on that disease. One of the worst STD's you could ever deal with is a dose of republicanism! You gotta be careful who ya sleep with!
We're all entitled to a couple of fuck ups. :)
What else can they make up? These guys are certifiable.
And he said it with such ease. WOW! It's up there with Ari saying "he could have attacked us again." These guys have no shame. Serious character flaws!
These guys are hardcore neoconservatives. Shame on Matthews for not revealing who they really are. Your corporate media hard at work protecting war criminals.
You have to have character for it to be flawed. These lying fuckers have no character!
Everytime he is mentioned on this blog? He has exposed a lot of republicans here, and even thought he has said things that upset me in the past, he still confronts people in their faces. Olbermann has never done that, except for leeching from the crumbs left from other reporters.
...was a major cheerleader for Dubya's mercenary mass murder and theft of Iraq and he regularly sucked the dicks of Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Coulter.
He challenged the administration from the very beggining on Iraq and a host of other issues. You are lying.
When Tweety said Dubya looked so manly in his "Mission Accomplished" flight suit, like a teen Bush groupie? I don't recall him ever challenging the Bush administration on anything, but especially not Iraq. Tweety got a little disgusted toward the end when it was clear the US was not "winning" anything except the eternal ire of the Muslim world, but challenging? Nuh-uh.
When he allowed Coulter to slam Democrats with her crazy book whoring bullshit unchallenged for an hour on his show I decided to never trust his gutless ass...and I still don't.
Funny enough the interviews cannot be found here, but there are some clips on youtube where he challenges MCcain assertions to go to war back in 2003. Too bad I cannot post the links here because there are several other videos that I can research to prove that you are either dishonest or ignorant.
And I'm not lying about Olbermann, he never challenges his guests because he never had the guts to interview anyone whom he disagrees with. Please mention where he did it and I will search for it. And let's not forget that he recently admitted that he was dishonest and biased against Hillary Clinton during the primaries. From what I remember it was a big issue here when that piece of shit Limbaugh admitted he was carrying the water for republicans, but Olbermann's dishonesty never made it in this blog.
All I want is that we remain correct and truthful. Fox News and the right wing media disgusts me, why should I expect none else from us?
I don't recall Gaffney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Fleischer, or any of the other neo-con talking heads ever appearing on Olberman's show. Until they have the balls to appear I'll reserve my judgement on Olberman's ability to ask tough questions.
because I'm sure it has been pointed out to you many times that people that might go on Olbermann don't have the guts to since they know they won't be able to spew their lies without being confronted on them. This is opposed to tweety who has at best a 50/50 chance of calling them out on their bullshit. Ever wonder why t. delay won't appear on Countdown or Maddow's show? Hell he's too scared to do TDS. The only one he'd go on is Colbert and that's only because he doesn't understand that he's being mocked the whole time.
This post is a perfect example of why tweety is looked at with such derision. He's like 60 Minutes. One report they are on the ball and hard hitting and the next they are suckling jindal's balls.
"All I want is that we remain correct and truthful. Fox News and the right wing media disgusts me, why should I expect none else from us?"
Is that not the definition of concern trolling? Look, you ignorant, pompous "ny guy," the story here is not what people think of Matthews or Olbermann or even Fox News. The story here is that a deranged jackass named Frank Gaffney just went on a nationally televised show and said that Saddam Hussein may have been behind the Oklahoma City bombing.
First, one might wonder exactly how deranged is this guy? Does one need to be certifiably insane to support the conservative position in this country? 168 people died in the Oklahoma City bombing, and this jackass wants to use that to further his political agenda and curry favor with his former bosses.
Second, what kind of news show lets that happen? Gaffney should have been immediately interupted and corrected. There is no excusable basis for letting some lying shit-for-brains spew nonsense, disparaging the memory of decent, American men, women, and children, and misdirecting the resources of our armed forces and criminal justice departments.
So, stop your whining about how bad Keith Olbermann is, and how you can't post links (says who?) and stick to the topic at hand.
Go on with the name calling, it might compensate for something else falling short.
If the story was in fact in concern with a guy called Frank Gaffney, the story would not have criticized Matthews. It's not honest, regardless of how you or bloggers feel about him. It's a cheap shot and evasion of credit. I couldn't care less if you have your head so far up Olbermann's ass that will make you biased and afraid to check the facts. In fact, register yourself as a republicans, they are the masters of such disgusting behavior.
Gaffney is out there spewing complete and utter lies that many Americans won't have the sophistication to understand is completely false, as evidenced by the high number of people that still believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11.
It's cliched, but if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes conventional wisdom. Gaffney is part of that program. And he was allowed to do it again on this segment.
My issue with Matthews was that he was so proud of confronting Fleischer that by his own admission, he missed Fleischer saying that we're better off because Saddam couldn't attack (us) again. This time, he was so focused on correcting that statement that he completely let more egregious lies go unchallenged.
As I said, and has been confirmed by Jim Cramer and David Gregory of late, it's apparently not within the job description of NBC News division employees to actually look for truth and to call out outrageous lies.
Ms. Belle, I mean no disrespect, and let's be honest, who wouldn't be proud of confronting and finally exposing these assholes? My God, if I could knock a couple of teeth from these guys I would feel great for a long time. I just feel that going after Matthews everytime he is mentioned here, even for things we know are absolutely right, is unfair regardless of some of his positions and things he said in the past to which we disagree. There's is only one way to lure these guys into your show, and sometimes you will give someone a pass to avoid burning bridges.
...then Matthews missed a HUGE opportunity in this segment.
Matthews is incidental to this post, other than allowing a platform for Gaffney to spew more lies. Why does this guy have ANY credibility to come on and be given the opportunity to propagandize again? Hell, I've been right more often in the last four years than Gaffney has been. Our "ratings" here on C&L are at least as good as they are on Hardball. Where's my invitation to discuss whether Fleischer was out of line? I promise you, that would be GREAT tv, because I would not mince words, like all these other pundits do. Matthews' confrontation would look like nothing compared to my unadulterated scorn.
I'm not picking on Matthews specifically. But I will tell you that I think he is very guilty of not actually listening to the people he's talking to. He did it with Fleischer (by his own admission) and he did it again with Gaffney.
And your "access" alibi doesn't hold water with me. You want access to Neo-cons like Gaffney--who is 180 degrees off from what Americans believe--to avoid burning what bridge? So he can continue to lie to Americans? So then you devote yet another episode as to why so Americans believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11 even though that's been thoroughly debunked? It makes no sense.
It's not an issue of sides. I don't care what political bent Matthews has. Honestly, I think he loves politics more than he identifies with any particular ideology.
But I believe he has a responsibility to not deliberately allow misinformation on his program. I believe that it is his responsibility (especially in a segment about his missing lies in an earlier program) to LISTEN to what his guest is saying instead of planning his next "hardball" question and call them out when they try to lie.
But beyond Matthews' abdication of his professional, ethical and moral responsibilities, I'm pissed as hell that Frank Gaffney was given another opportunity to lie and confuse the American people again.
This man's lies are partly responsible for an obscene amount of death, blood and treasure already. How fucking DARE MSNBC give him an opportunity to obfuscate and deceive some more?
I think it's a crap shoot with just about all of them. We must glean through the debris they throw out and decide our own truths.
And your comment about Olbermann is not only unfounded, but it's straight out of O'Reilly's playbook.
For his excellent 'Worst Person in the World' segment I will defend Keith Olbermann until the dying days of cable tv. He is the best that ever was.
"The polling that took place before we attacked, conducted by “Time” and CNN, showed that"
Major league softball answer.
As usual on the show there was crosstalk between Gaffney & Chris but I distinctly heard Gaffney suggest that Saddam/Iraq could have been responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing.
When Chris didn't call him out on it, I doubted that I heard him correctly.
I think maybe a time is coming where the Bush Crime Regime just might have to explain itself. Why are the apologizers and enablers still apologizing and enabling? Wouldn't it be more like them to just fade away into history and hope everyone just forgets?
Like aging actors not getting roles any longer, nothing bothers these f*ckers more than insignificance.
I was trying to figure out why all the BushCo apologists were coming out of the woodwork when I finally found the reason on teh Yahoo News - Dubya is going out on tour to pimp donors for $$$$$$$ for his presiduncshul liberry.
They're just priming the pump.
They are becoming more and more to the right. Have you checked out their BUZZ-UP feature. It is definately from junior high school heaven in it's concept.
So you might want to do a bath of sheep-dip after checking it out again.
used to make ammonium nitrate or did he use his credit card to rent the Uhaul for Timmy McVeigh?
he was involved in the 1993 WTC bombings either was he?
Of course not. Those were the "blind sheik's" men ... at least some of them. And, they were from Afghanistan & Pakistan.
That will be revealed in Part II of the interview. Don't spoil the ending...
... in Pearl Harbor, however. And possibly the WTO riots in Seattle in 1999.
Back to Tweety:
He loved Bush. He loved Fred Thompson.
The guy's got issues.
As for Gaffney: a lunatic. But we already knew that.
something else, like some kind of programming from the control room, or perhaps just painstaking work on his next statement, or listening to his former Parochial school teacher.
Whatever it is, it is hard to listen to, not just for the omissions involved but also because it happens more often when folks figure out that BS can be said often with no recourse.
Besides that the Oklahoma City blasts were totally home and rightwing/fundelmentalist bred.
Watching Frank Gaffney on the TEEVEE is painful indeed. Very similar to same experience of watching Ari the Liar,the Kagans,Kristol or Charles Kraphummer.
Gaffney having been involved with PNAC,Commitee for Present Danger and also being in cahoots with Doug "phucking stupidest guy" Feith has a record and history that makes one cringe to think this tool gets the air time he does.
Of course being wrong has nothing to do with anything as CNN and MSNBC and several other American media poo tossers prove often enough.
Guess who is going to be on this Sunday with John King on CNN?
Wait.....wait......yes.......OK....ready?.....Dick Cheney!!!
John King had to have Cheney on. King wins the Feith Trophy often.
That tool had better ask Cheney some questions. I know Cheney is going to pull out all the intimidation tactics even if he gets a whiff of a tough question.
Come on, Cheney, go on Rachel Maddow's show you whiny little bitch.
Tweety has always felt like he had something to be ashamed of for having liberal leanings so he goes out of his way to allow the most batshit crazy right wing points of view to go by unchalleneged. And where is the efficacy of challenging a statement days later when the segment is over and the guest is gone? It's just to throw us a bone and try to keep his "liberal" creds up. I mean, what has to be wrong with a man who acknowleges making an error one night and then making an identical error two nights later? If this was an isolated incident, then he might be redeemable but there is a reason why I haven't watched Tweety for so long. He's no better than Beck or O'Reilly in my opinion and just as manipulative and exploitive.
Like 95% of the American media, Matthews failed miserably when his Nation most needed for him to tell us the truth!
imo --he serves corporate media & their interests. this is what corporate media thinks we buy (literally and figuratively). moyers calling them out (ie, russert) was great but still we have these guys as our "media" -- because corporate call the shots on the major media venues.
it's good to seek out other sources of news (and have these atrocities called out whenever it does occur). keeping alternate media sustainable is vital.
Maybe that's how the extra bombs got in a Federal building.
thanks!
The total blame was on McVaigh But there are serious questions never answered, like secondary explosions and Secondary Devices FOUND inside:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk&fe...
Clinton was forced to change his "War on Terror" and spying policies
These NEOCON crooks want to blame "Arab Terrorists" for the dirty tricks they do.
But also by using Domestic terrorists (McVaigh) they were able to spy on Americans too.
You see alot of linear interviews on the TV. Most of the time Chris Matthews does it and David Gregory does it all the time on MTP. A guest will say something that is a bald-face lie and it will go unchallenged. What you get is "Next question,...".
What's happening here? The interviewer is more interested in getting their line of questions asked instead of busting guests with the truth.
Even Jim Lehrer from PBS has been known to do this.
All the more reason to tune out the 24/7 networks.
I mean, it seems as if it takes Chris Mathews 24 hours, and others telling him what he heard, for him to figure out what he heard. It reminds me of the George of the Jungle cartoon, when some villans make a joke about "Chicken ala King", and then three days later, at the end of the cartoon, George is laughing, and when asked why, he says "Chicken ala King."
This is all the GOP has left - sociopaths, the home-schooled, and the clinically insane.
I'm not a big Matthews fan, but having seen the show, and also Gaffney on multiple occasions, to fault Matthews for not seizing on the Okla City thing is really stretching it. Gaffney is a NeoCon machine of
talking points, and just rattless them off, throwing out everything he can hoping some of it sticks (just as Coulter does, for example). David Corn was sort of trying to give balance, but that's spitting in the wind.
And Matthews is often content to just let these guys spout off, but believe me, Gaffney is one of the most prolific at it. Of course, Corn could just have shouted "liar, liar"....But believe me, on "Hardball", nutcases like Gaffney aren't swaying very many viewers....
It was fourteen Saudian Arabians, one Lebonese and two Iraqi's(the Iraqi's were soldiers and not commanders) who bombed the towers. Bush was warned months ahead and more than "sixty times" of the impending attack. Aside from Madison America was NEVER attacked before, until Bush. Me thinks Matthews needs to retire and John Stewart should be doing the interviewing if NBC wants any credibility (ask Kramer, or is that Crammer?). It's getting hard to watch NBC and wonder which of their cartoons is really real.
illusions , government deciet , someday the truth will out , 14 saudies and assorted others the fall guys of the 911 commision , my heart bleeds for thoes who believe the ILLUSIONS and anything in the 911 commisioners report!
The 9-11 Commission:
A cover up?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvWnnEx0ruU
The fact that these "Bush rehabilitators" are trotting out Laurie Mylroie's loony-tune rantings is really, really pathetic.
that Frank Gaffney is evil.
This is not the first time I've heard the Saddam/OKC link being made.
A Conservative friend of mine first tried to convince me of it during the 2004 election to try and justify the invasion of Iraq.
To this day, he still argues that the "centrifuge plans found buried in an official's garden" and "a collection of test-tubes with samples of bacterial weapons found in a freezer" both prove Saddam had WMD's and Iraq deserved invading.
Richard Perle was on the Thom Hartmann Radio Program late last year and made the "Salman Pak" argument that Saddam had a "terrorist training ground" where they may have trained for the 9/11 attack.
Sadly, Hartmann wasn't familiar with that ancient Neo-Con fantasy to call him out on it.
sadaam was behind 9/11
we dont talk politics anymore
freaks me out about OKC
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS...
bad photoshop jobs freak me out too...
If you believe assholes like Gaffney.
This guy spews out GOP talking points like a machine gun--he's out of his f'ing mind--as in completely deranged.
I couldn't believe that he got that Oaklahoma thing unchallenged. Tweety should have thrown him off the show for it. Just the fact it gets out there is food for the wingnuts. They need to be starved.
(facepalm)
he and his staff never prepare
in the age of digital media, they should have multiple tapes cued up and ready for wingnut bs
he wasnt even listening to gafney
he was just prepared to show how the bushies lied about sadaam and 9/11 and wmds
Yeah that is the thing with Tweety. He doesn't do much thinking on the fly. He just says whatever comes into his head and usually it is not real intelligent. Like when he use to say he was getting a hard on when Bush was talking or whatever. Remember when he compared Bush to Lincoln? If he could just listen to what some of the jerks say and analyze it and react to their word instead of his brain palpitations it would be better. I know I didn't describe that very well but i hope you get the idea.
I got a DVD last year titled "911 in plane sight". About an hour in the story turns to the OK city bombing. Using local, live, on site news footage the case is made that there were actually 3 bombs (larger than the one that exploded), and only one went off. I can't believe that this stuff never came to light.
http://www.thepowermall.com/
This guy Gaffney is just another turd. They sure make it up as they go along don't they? When I heard the Ari Fleischer bullshit when he said the thing about Saddam attacking again I was almost ready to let Ari have it that it didn't sound the way he meant. Or at least could be reworded by Ari later to say something other than what he said (more on that later). Buuuuuuut this Gaffney asshole tries to say that Fleischer meant that Fleischer didn't want Saddam to attack any other country again. "Wherever" said Gaffney. Having said that, WE all know that these fuckers were saying that Saddam was behind 9-11 and there were many many idiot right wing base Joe Sixpacks and Betty Wineboxes who believed Cheney when he said it before we attacked Iraq. There are STILL a lot of idiots who would tell you that Saddam attacked us on 9-11 and it is because it is what the Bushbots told them from the beginning. And they are still saying it!!! as witnessed by what Ari Fleischer said the other day. I will not give him the excuse that he said it wrongly. He said it the way he meant to say it so that the idiot right wing base Joe Sixpacks and Betty Wineboxes would still believe it. It is the way these assholes are/work. They are nefarious scamming lying motherfuckers and can never never never be trusted. NEVER!.
I like it when the son of a bitch Gaffney says the "American people are not stupid." That is exactly what these fuckers depended on to carry out their scam. They depended on "stupid American people."
it puffs up the American morons, and props up their (pundits) ratings.
When he said that I knew immediately what he really meant was the opposite. The American people are stupid, or so he really believes as he tries the neocon trick once again of manufacturing consent.
Oh my. Saddam was trying to shoot down our aircraft?? Who would have thought. Our god damn aircraft were flying around bombing Iraq. What the hell does this joker think Saddam would do? Oh my gosh. Saddam was trying to shoot them down. Oh me oh my.
Regarding Laurie Mylroie:
I think that maybe these neocon criminals were actually behind her book an were feeding her this shit and she took the ball and ran with it. I'm not sure if Nicolle was say this or the other way around where the neocon criminals saw what she was writing and they took the ball and ran with it. I think she was the one who was fed the bullshit and took the ball.
It was a big, wide, two-way street with Mylroie.
Right now the Neocon Media is ready to pull another "Financial 9/11" : the "Toxic Assets Weapons of Mass Destruction or we must give the Hedge Funds another 2 trillion dollars" scheme , so let's make sure America does not get swindle again !
Here is one solution that "they" don't want to talk about :
Just start moving all the "Toxic Assets" to a Federal Special Bank, no need to pay anyone to do this basic initial move.
In my opinion, President Obama,Vice-President Biden and Congress can right now put all the toxic assets from every financial institution in a Special Federal Holding Bank supervised by Congress and the White House - where in 2 to 3 years they will be very valuable while collecting some income and may be re-purchased again by these same banks later - and just without these toxic-assets in their books the stock of all these Institutions will go up 15 to 30 % in weeks, just the Legislation action will make the bankers and investors see with confidence ,with clarity and there will be no need to pay anyone, including the Hedge-Funds that got us into this financial mess ,any money, because just getting the Banks to download that "Toxic Financial Waste" is worth 2 trillion dollars for these Institutions, why pay them too ? the Banks can get the market value and some interest from their books losses.
And because if the Obama-Biden Adm. gives the money away ,the day after,the Media ( the same Media controlled by these same Hedge-Funds ) will blame the Obama-Biden Administration of incompetence and corruption for giving the Hedge-Funds a 2 trillion dollar gift for "nothing", so I urge President Obama,VP.Biden and Congress to first pass those assets to a Federal Special Bank, and then see how the market value of these Institutions goes up day by day, there is no need to give more money to the Hedge-Funds, but of course the Geithner-Bernanke-Summers-Orszag-Shapiro-Shumer group is only interested in getting another shot of USA Taxpayers money to the Hedge-Funds in their organized group which is bankrupt : with A.I.G. , Bear Stearns, Lehman , Merrill and Madoff out of the play and the War contracts winding down , they are a bit down too , right ? enough is enough !
it is becoming increasingly harder for them to keel their lies straighten out.
No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar. ~Abraham Lincoln
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MR. GAFFNEY DEFEND BUSH'S TELLING CHIRAC THAT “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East".
FROM THE ARTICLE "When God Spoke to Me": .....During those private interviews, Jacque Chirac had purportedly confessed to the journalist some personal remarks regarding the faith of George W. Bush that seemed quite daunting. He told the journalist that the latter called him twice beseeching him basically, in the name of their common “spiritual faith”, i.e., “Christianity”, to join the collective effort of the coalition being formed to wage a preemptive war against Iraq. In his first telephonic call he reportedly said to Jacque Chirac: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East” and then added that “the biblical prophecies are being fulfilled”.....
ENTIRE ARTICLE - http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_articl...
American media is starting to sound like the Koreans. Here, everything good, saintly and wonderful is 100% Korean. Anything bad or even remotely unpleasant was caused by foreigners and foreign nations.
It's a tad delusional, don't you think?
I could believe that Frank Gaffney believes all of what he said on MSNBC’s “Hardball” with Chris Matthews on Thursday, March 12, 2009, in still peddling the lies of an al-Qaeda-Iraq connection, in relation to the attacks of September 11, 2001.
Gaffney will always it seems peddle the neocon cannard of Laurie Mylroie that Saddam Hussein had a direct role in the OKC bombing as well.
Fortunately, I listened to Ray McGovern on antiwar radio yesterday and he was talking about the general sickeness of the neocons. Gaffney and Bush propagandist, Ari Fleischer continue with no shame to utter these falsehoods of the Bush administration on shows like MSNBC’s “Hardball” with Chris Matthews. It was Fleischer on Wendesday, March 11, 2009, utter his lies and there was Gaffney on Thursday March 12, 2009, to defend such rubbish against David Corn.
Man ole Man, I thought I was in the Twiligjht Zone listening to Gaffney’s lies.
My late father, who died two years ago, this coming April, often said that these people in the Bush administration would go their respective deathbeds/graves justifying and restating their lies about going to war on Iraq. My dad was correct when it comes to people like Gaffney.
The only way to shut these liars down is to start investigations with war tribunal penalties for the crimes committed by the bush crime family and the neo-conservatives in the PNAC.
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Why do we need journalism when we have propagandists who accept paychecks paid by the same Corporate entities who wield influence with wining and dining and vacations of Congress?
(/snark)
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after god made adam and eve,
he decided to make something
annoying and then he made shit
the clay of the neocon/gop
Somebody should be checking Gaffney's level of investment with the Carlyle Group...not to mention that of Milroie....when in doubt, when looking for motivation, always follow the money.
I watched this sorry edition of hardball and was so pissed off that I almost put my foot through the television screen , this Gaffney asshole was an absolute fountain of blatant bullshit and lies in regards to the Iraq invasion and Sadam Hussein , Matthews basically played patty cake with him instead of slam dunking this scum bag which he easily could have done and rightfully so . Is a disgrace and flat out irresponsible that any major media show would have a slime ball like this on and let him spew his bald face lies and be unchallenged to top it off .The MSM promote and enable these evil madmen to the detriment of the country . I understand fair and balanced but giving freaks like this guy air time is treasonous and is insanity .Any integrity or class Matthews has is minimal at best .
Stop watching Tweety on MSNBC ............... together.
We often complain and may even write to the network proclaiming our disgust but to have a real
impact, we should pick a date when we, all, send emails to MSNBC and stop watching the show.
TURN OFF TWEETY DAY!
Overload their system............
Make an impact............
What's really going on here is that Gaffney knows damn well that according to the Terrorism Database (which the Bush Administration killed about halfway through it's term because of it's "inconvenient" data) is that he's trying to obfuscate the fact that MOST terrorism worldwide originates on the Right Wing.
Either through religious, racist, or political reasons, it is disproportionally spawned from the minds of dippy conservatives trying to preserve their precious "status quo".
This is why they'd make so much of a "capture" of those homeless goobers in Miami who were no more capable of blowing up the LOCAL Sears, much less the Sears Tower in Chicago, but kept the arrest of a real Right Wing wackjob like William Krar, VEWY VEWY QUIET....
http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/002983....
Especially right before an election.
However, if 'ole Mr. Krar had been a Liberal sporting faked Defense Intelligence Agency ID's, U.N credentials, a stockpile of machine guns, pipe bombs, and chemical weaponry that he intended to drop in the middle of Manhattan, you can bet MUCH would have been made of that.
Except that for the most part, Liberals are NOT violent fuckwits like that, so no luck there.
Gaffney's general modus operandi is, "When in doubt, LIE YOUR ASS OFF," and when people call you on your OBVIOUS lies, simply state, "Well that's my opinion," as if your opinion has any validity whatsoever.
That's why these people are given air time. The rationale is to keep the neocon narrative alive until Wall Street can justify bankrolling it again.
So it wasn't Timothy McVeigh? And It wasn't because of Waco?So was McVeigh sacrificed like a goat to hide the REAL monsters from our sight?So tell the real truth now.How much bullshit do they think they can spoon feed us?
Gaffney, like the other PNACers, keep spouting this garbage...(except for Jeb Bush who is also a PNACer, and you don't hear a thing from him), and will deny, deny, and deny any association with the PNAC doctrine. If they are ever questioned about the PNAC "principles" they will deny that anything like PNAC exists. It really does. But after they deny it's existence, no one ever checks it out for themselves.
Olbermann, did indeed, mention it once - it might have been in that eight-minute/eight-year thing he did...but I'm sure that no one who hasn't bothered to take a look wouldn't have paid any attention to it.
Too much work I guess.
Oklahoma city bombing. Does this man keep his head in a bag? That bombing has been pretty thoroughly investigated and it was our own home grown boys who thought that tragedy up.
Neocon scum. Nuff said.
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