This is How the World Sees America...and CNN Owns It
Loesch, you see, saw that video of troops urinating on the corpses of alleged Taliban and she decided to celebrate what she saw as a completely acceptable act of American dominance.
On her radio show, CNN contributor and Big Journalism editor Dana Loesch cheered on an Internet video reportedly showing U.S. Marines urinating on what appear to be dead Afghans, saying she would "drop trou and do it too."
That shiny hyperbole of American exceptionalism rarely plays well past our shores. Back in 2004, I had to travel to Europe for a writers' conference and opted to extend my stay with a visit to a close friend in Holland. My friend was eager to share with me the rich history and culture of the Dutch. Everywhere we went, she introduced me to friends and acquaintances as the "good kind" of American, namely one who wasn't an Ugly American like Dana Loesch. I didn't support our invasions and occupations in the Middle East; I didn't hold myself up as bastion of goodness and light and civilization (the presumption to do so in a country that can boast Rembrandt, Vermeer and Anne Frank!) nor was I dismissive of Muslims (although admittedly, Holland is struggling with deep anti-Muslim bias as well). Never, in a million years, would it occur to me to celebrate an act that lowers us down to the level of barbarians we claim the other side is.
CNN, in their typically gutless way, tried lamely to distance themselves from Loesch's words
CNN contributors are commentators who express a wide range of viewpoints—on and off of CNN—that often provoke strong agreement or disagreement. Their viewpoints are their own.
Well, not her own entirely. But make no mistake: giving Loesch a microphone and putting a camera in front of her face tells the rest of the world that you have no problem with what she said, CNN.
I think there are a few people out there who shrug at the notion of caring about how others see us. But this cavalier attitude truly becomes a national security threat. A threat that CNN continues to promote on its airwaves:
There are no words to express my disgust at the video making the rounds today, of U.S. Marines apparently urinating on the dead bodies of the Taliban. As an Iraq War veteran who works with Iraq and Afghanistan veterans every day, I can truthfully say that the Marines in the video have undermined everything that I and those who served with me tried to do.
That's why I'm just as disgusted by right wingers like Pamela Gellar, who said, "I love these Marines" and joked, "Perhaps this is the infidel interpretation of the Islamic ritual of washing and preparing the body for burial."
Comments like these not only go against everything our military stands for, but only serve to put our troops on the ground in increased danger. It just shows that some on the right still just don't get it when it comes to our mission in Afghanistan.
No matter what one thinks about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars (and I have been plenty critical of them and how they've been waged), one indisputable fact is that most troops on the ground have tried their best to build the trust of the population. Believe me, it isn't easy. Having worked with the Iraqi Army on my second tour, I'm acutely aware of what challenges we face when trying to get the trust of the population.
Understandably, Afghans and Iraqis looked at us pretty skeptically, if not outright as invaders.
Horrific incidents like at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo further undermined American forces by reinforcing the population's most negative feelings about us. But since that time, we've made great strides. General Petraeus and McChrystal, especially, took winning hearts and minds very seriously, and implemented a number of tactics to reach out to the populations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Doing so wasn't just the right thing to do, it was absolutely crucial to their counter-insurgency strategy.
That work is now at risk, because of these Marines.
Aside from basic human decency, corpse desecration harms our mission by disrespecting the culture of Afghanistan and the families of the dead. Think this video isn't circulating in Afghanistan already? You think some young Afghan male who was on the fence about the insurgency won't be knocked off it?
So happy that women are catching up to men in being grotesque. You are one classy lady, Dana.
just because dana likes "belgium chocolate" and getting
peed on does not mean that is acceptable behavior in America
or by the majority of normal Americans.
she is one dirty bitch.
This stupid bitch claimed the Taliban murdered 3 thousand Americans?
if Dana is old enough to remember how much Ronnie RayGun loved the Afghan Taliban? He loved those freedom fighters so much he invited their leaders to the White House so Ronnie could be near their greatness!
and I am talking about the year, more specifically the events around the second week of that September, not Stanley Kubrick's cinematic masterpiece.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Words.
More words.
Own up to her, CNN. You know you want to.
had she made a bogoted remark about a black person or a vile remark about someone's ethnicity or said that maybe Wolf Blitzer was a prick, they would have responded differently or maybe even if they weren't trying so hard to race Fox News to the bottom of the barrel. I remember when CNN was a great network that Ted Turner took deservedly took great pride in. I am sure Turner is as appalled as the rest of us that his name was ever associated with what the network has become. Glad I don't watch CNN anymore.
The good life is a day at the beach.
to join up. Put her mouth where her money is. Then she can drop trou all she wants. Come on Dana there is a war on!
She is a typical right wing chickenhawk. I wouldn't piss on her even if she was on fire.
Then you're better than she is, because apparently she'd piss on you.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
how Dana would have reacted if these soldiers set the corpses on fire, dragged them down the road, and then hung the crumpled dismembered burned bodies on a bridge? She would have been orgasmic on the air! Ugh.
To be fair, it may just be the urination aspect that Dana is into. Who are we to condemn her? Dana "golden showers" Loesch has every right to parade her fetishes on the public airwaves.
could be rigth! She's one of those women who loves being urinated on! Ewwwww. Yuck.
Dana Loesh squatting to pee on dead men. This I want to see.
on the bodies of American soldiers. The outrage of her and her ilk would be deafening!
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Words have no meaning to Loesch and other hate talkers of her ilk. They really don't care what they say as long as the money and publicity keep rolling in. I'm extraordinarily frustrated that there is a market for this trash. How do you have a meaningful conversation with someone who buys this rhetoric hook, line, and sinker?
this is why.And if people stay home and don't vote it's people like this who will win in the fall and finally destroy your country
When we come across young-ish people like this who completely lack basic human decency and empathy, I really fear for our well-being.
We're hearing more than echoes of this within the greedy, old, white business man's club running for the Republican nomination. That doesn't surprise me so much. But hearing young people say soulless (and, frankly, stupid-shorthand) things like they'd "drop trou" on the dead--especially people who've likely never known a day's hardship in their privileged little lives--makes me think we've really failed at raising the next generation.
And we'll be truly sorry we created this kind of cruelty when we're elderly and they hold all the cards.
the republican war mongers or the democratic ones? the republicans who supported the patriot act and indefinite detention or the democrats? the republicans who support sopa or the democrats?
yes, we must vote ... for candidates of conscience if we can find them ... but voting isn't even a beginning to what we must do
While I agree with most of the comments here and think that Loesch is a media whore, I think the outrage over troops urinating on dead bodies is naive at best and hypocritical at worst. We are at war and we are essentially in a war against insurgents where the troops can't tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys". Do you really expect people trained to kill to behave like gentlemen? And how about the fact that our troops kill innocent civilians regularly via conventional weapons and now with our drone army? Isn't one dead civilian worth a lot more outrage than urinating on a corpse?
I'm not defending the act of the troops, just saying the outrage is out of proportion and also due to our perverted sense of media driven morality. If its on film its a million times worse then if you have some brown person telling you about it after the fact. Urinating on corpses is a very small example of what a long immoral war like this can do to troops and one more reason we should have gotten out of Afghanistan a long time ago.
our soldiers were ejaculating on the corpses? Would that have been just as fine to you? "It's just guys being guys! Our soldiers are stressed out, so it's okay if they ejaculate on dead Taliban members or have sex with the corpses because it's just their way of letting off steam!"?
I wasn't saying that this is an OK thing to do. I'm saying that all the outrage over it is overblown compared to the many other horrible things that the US is doing in Afghanistan. We make a big deal out of this just because it is on film and we ignore the fact that we kill innocent civilians on a regular basis.
MikeD: No flame here. I get what you were saying. What I wonder about the Dana Loesch's of this world is that, even if they are gung-ho on our mission there (whatever that mission is this month), is why they can't see that the Marines involved have just made that mission harder. I have zero love for the Taliban, who I view as medieval religious bigots, but this episode is a charter example of how the USA speaks of civilization, but our talking heads like Dana cheerlead for barbarism.
What these guys did was wrong. And its kind of amazing to me how well most of our troops manage to behave so well in a hellish situation like this. And for someone like Loesch to hold this up as a good thing is the ultimate example of evil. Evil in the sense of justifying an act that was wrong and also making it just a bit harder for the poor guys who are stuck there to do their job.
See I think evil is actually COMMITTING an act that is wrong, like this.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
We can invade and bomb the shit out of a country as long as our "poor" guys don't get caught on camera relieving their bodily functions on their corpses.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I do, however, expect them to behave like human beings with even a modicum of civility and common sense. Civilized human beings don't urinate on the corpses of their enemies. Civilized human beings don't engage in the depraved behavior shown at Abu Graib(sp?). I certainly don't blame all the Marines, the majority of which seem to have comported themselves in a civilized manner (in spite of the fact that, yes, they've been trained to kill the enemy), but like so many things, it takes only a handful of bad apples to reflect poorly on the whole. These Marines need to be drummed out with dishonorable discharges at the very least; better yet, convicted and sent to prison. Either way, their careers and their futures will deservedly be in ruins, but the damage their actions have done will affect us for a long time to come.
"Whatever your particular problem is, I promise you, the Republicans are not the least bit interested in solving it. They are interested in two things, and two things only: making you afraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it."
Saying you expect troops on the ground battling insurgents to behave with "civility" is naive. These guys are trained to be ruthless killers. They have all the civility and most of the humanity beaten out of them in boot camp.
No, they are trained to follow orders. Who told them to urinate on corpses?
They are human beings, not animals, no matter how hard they've been trained to kill. They're also supposed to follow orders, and I'm sure at least one of those orders is "don't piss off the locals because we're already unpopular here." Dismissing their behavior with "they're trained to kill" is complete and utter bullshit. What part of that don't you understand?
"Whatever your particular problem is, I promise you, the Republicans are not the least bit interested in solving it. They are interested in two things, and two things only: making you afraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it."
One, Marines are trained differently than the Army. Marines are strikeforces. The Army is for occupation. Putting Marines in an occupation role is misuse of their purpose. That contributes to acts like this.
Two, I guess it doesn't matter which atrocities are committed by which side. We are all human beings. We are all the same in many ways. War is the enemy. War and the men who start them. They put human beings (aggressor and victim) into insane conditions and then we get all indignant when they act insane.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
we're supposed to be better than this. If we want to put ourselves on the pedestal of higher ground, we need to walk the walk. These soldiers are scum.
Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water.
We aren't "better than this". This is what happens when a big country occupies a small one and wages war on it for years. Its inevitable. The stress on the soldiers dehumanizes them. The whole US idea that war can be sanitized is fucked up and incidents like this just shove the reality of war back in our faces and we don't like it so we crucify the grunts rather than the real criminals who sent them there and keep them there.
is why we need to end the all-volunteer army and re-institute the draft. These are not rational human beings anymore. These are animals trapped in a maze of death and violence, driven mad by the lack of an exit. And the people back home shrug because - well, they asked for it, didn't they?
If we're going to have a standing army - which I do NOT agree with - then we need to make it compulsory for Americans to take their turn doing time in it. This crap about creating a self-selected insular class of people trained to murder and torture whoever some chickenhawk points at is lunacy. It is a recipe for exactly the kinds of horror of which this incident is a prime example, and it gives a perfect excuse for ordinary Americans not to involve themselves in the reality of war. There would be a great deal more resistance to shit like what's been done in the last decade if every family had a member somewhere in the game.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I don't think having a conscripted army does anything to diminish the awfulness of war.
I say, let wars in the future be fought by the leaders of the warring factions, put them inside an octagon on a Friday night in Vegas, and whoever wins gets to wear a funny hat which signals he is the victor of that war.
Plus think of all the money that can be made from the Pay Per View rights from that bitch.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
1. what they did is AGAINST THE LAW, both in terms of US Military Law, but International Laws and Rules of War.
2. it isn't MEDIA DRIVEN MORALITY. The USA INVADED THEIR COUNTRIES. If you're going to invade their country and slaughter their friends and relatives for some purportedly "higher reason", then you had damn well better Act in a morally higher manner, per what the marine said "I can truthfully say that the Marines in the video have undermined everything that I and those who served with me tried to do."
3. "(I'm) just saying the outrage is out of proportion" OK genius. Imagine this - put it on the other foot:
The President declares martial law in 2013, and starts slaughtering people in FEMA camps in 2014.The Chinese (and a coalition of the willing) are disgusted and invade the USA in 2015 to do a little "regime changing" of their own and collect the $2 trillion the USA owes them. Many people put up a fight to resist the invaders, including ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY. And what happens? The Chinese round them up, shoot them, and pee on their dead rotting bodies. Now, imagine some Chinese soldier peeing on your mommy's dead face. Nice, eh? Feel calm and all warm and fuzzy to the Chinese then? Don't give me this "outrage is out of proportion" bullshit. These soldiers have successfully scuttled a big chunk of what little good will there is over there for the American Troops. A couple of trillion dollars pissed away by a bunch of dopes with guns. Good move, Ace.
So, in conclusion: Fuck You and your pseudo-liberal ignorance. When you die, I'm going to go hike up my skirt and pee on your grave, and see how you like it. I don't think you'll complain, but your relatives might...
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
...the flaming you mentioned, Mike.
Come on, folks. Same team.
I did say "go ahead and flame me" so I can't really complain.
no one on my 'team' would suggest that this is something we should 'get over.' It's outrageous and symbolises how these troops and the country the represent feel about people who aren't Americans.
That neither of you can see that represents the disconnect from humanity in the country is stunning, to say the least. "Hey we do worse to them and others. This is nothing." Riiiiiiight. When it's someone literally pissing on you and yours, let me know how the two of you will just shrug it off..
Either of you remember the batshitcrazy insanity that happened here when Somalis drug dead US soldiers through their towns? Or are you too young for that?
me-oww!
Mike never said "get over it." His views are pretty similar to the Marine Nicole cited in her post (which she obviously included to show that not even other Marines condoned what took place). In fact, he basically agreed with everyone here that what happened was as outrageous as you said, the wars are immoral, we should have ended them long ago--and never should have gone at all. That's what I meant by "same team." The fact that he read the significance of it differently isn't worthy of the attack he received. Nobody here is condoning it or shrugging anything off.
Yes, thanks for the insult, I remember the Somalia situation well (as with the contractors burned in Iraq and hung from the overpass) and all the domestic gnashing of teeth that went with it. American hypocrisy at its finest. And so I'll just say this: if Mike is in fact essentially agreeing with you (which he is) and you attack him personally for, I can only suppose, not doing it "purely" enough, who's actually displaying the "disconnect from humanity"?
By the way, love the British spellings. Nice touch.
Excuse the vicious, bigoted actions of animals masquerading as people. That'll get you respect.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
who didn't READ about Haley Barbour's pardon menu yet thinks the rest of us who did should give the fat fuck some benefit of the doubt?
Get lost. You don't know the issues, and jump to the conclusion that everyone with a negative comment is 'jumping to conclusions.'
YOU ARE DEFENDING THE ACTS OF THE TROOPS.
FUCK OFF.
me-oww!
This is what is wrong with this country. So many people can't stand anyone who in any way challenges them to think or take an alternative view. Even people that I agree with mostly can only view the world in terms of good and evil. If you don't agree with someone rather than try to reason about it you are told to "fuck off".
You are the guy saying it's OK to denigrate dead bodies. That you don't read the articles, don't have the time to look into the issues, yet you will pontificate ad nauseum as to how everyone who objects to that which you find to be OK is being unreasonable, jumping to conclusions, not considering all the ignorance you put into one post.
Then if anyone disagrees with you, they are 'unreasonable.' "FUCK OFF" was only one small part of my comment, but it's the only part to which you replied.
me-oww!
You are the guy saying it's OK to denigrate dead bodies.
No they aren't. In fact, MikeD said the exact opposite:
"I'm not defending the act of the troops..."
After a paragraph of defending them. It's MikeD's passive-aggressive way of 'having it both ways' bag of of bullshit. It's his MO. SOP. What he does when he posts.
please. I can read. And I see patterns pretty quickly.
If you'd seen the bucket of crap this guy was shoveling all over the Barbour thread, you'd know what I mean.
As for him saying "I'm not defending the act of the troops" let me just say, "I'm not criticising MikeD. I agree 100% with him." See how that works? Is my own declaration true? Why would you assume MikeD's is, when he's written the opposite of what his open declaration is?
me-oww!
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Rationalizing their behavior with "they're trained to kill" is essentially no different than excusing their behavior. Sorry, Charlie, but them's the facts.
"Whatever your particular problem is, I promise you, the Republicans are not the least bit interested in solving it. They are interested in two things, and two things only: making you afraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it."
them's just you're emotional response to the facts.
I am not saying that you and MikeD are wrong in how you approached this issue, but you and MikeD are wrong in how you approached this issue.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Compare the (mostly) thoughtful and sensitive comments on this post with the childish and emotional comments in this thread.
You are just having a simplistically emotional response to the video without pausing to consider the fact that the soldiers in it are probably suffering from PTSD, among other psychological issues.
is obviously the mark of a thought process which is both complex and void of emotion or bias. A fact clinched by the red herring in the second paragraph.
BTW, I said that I was not saying that you and MikeD were wrong. Didn't I?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I wasn't attacking you personally. I was attacking your ideas, which I maintain are childish and simplistic.
you are still playing the "trying to have it both ways" game. LMAO.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I usually agree with your comments, but you're wrong on this thread and the more you argue, the more you dig your own hole.
and thanks for proving my point.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
and I didn't prove your point, but if that's what you need to believe in order to save face, that's fine, I guess.
My original comments were in a key of jest. However, I am amused by how you have proceed to present arguments in which you want to have it both ways, thus proving my point over and over again.
I just find it very disingenuous how some people are claiming how they are not justifying the troops' action, only to proceed to justify this action by the troops. Peeing on a corpse is either justified or not, if you find there is a clear reason as to why a soldier may be desecrating a corpse, so be it. But at least y'all should stand by it.
For what it is worth, pretending one can have it both ways is a debating technique as American as apple pie, so I am not surprised to see that type of argument surfacing in this site repeatedly.
E.g. ideas are a defining element of a person's character. Thus an attack to a person's ideas, does in fact constitute an argument to the person's character. Guess how do you say that in Latin? So when you say something along the lines of how you were not using an ad hominem because you were "just" attacking my ideas. Then I must recognize I am really stumped by the lack of self awareness you are displaying.
Also, if you argument is basically that "I am wrong just because" I'd be more careful when accusing others of being "intellectually lazy" in their argumentation...
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
means "to the man." It indicates an attempt to deflect or counter an argument by highlighting a perceived negative characteristic of the person making the argument, rather than the argument itself. My reply to your comment was in reference to your ideas, not you personally. Therefore, your use of "ad hominem" is erroneous. But don't take my word for it. Look it up.
Regarding the pissing video that is at the heart of your outrage, it is clearly an extension of the defense mechanism necessary for soldiers to avoid confronting the anguish that results from killing other human beings. To expect soldiers to dehumanize the enemy in one moment and regard them as fellow human beings in the next moment is unrealistic, especially in a war as illegal and unwinnable as "Operation Enduring Crusade" or whatever the fuck the brand name is.
As one of the commenters at the link I posted above points out, we dehumanize our intended enemies because soldiers who see opponents as human tend to hesitate before firing or tend not to fire at all. In WW1, only one in ten soldiers deliberately shot to kill. In WW2, it was one in seven; In Korea , one in five, and in Vietnam, one in three. In Afghanistan today, it's nearly 1:1.
And the author of that article, who, unlike you, has been to Afghanistan and survived combat, points out that "When the war on terror started, the Marines in that video were probably 9 or 10 years old. As children they heard adults - and political leaders - talk about our enemies in the most inhuman terms. The Internet and the news media are filled with self-important men and women referring to our enemies as animals that deserve little legal or moral consideration. We have sent enemy fighters to countries like Syria and Libya to be tortured by the very regimes that we have recently condemned for engaging in war crimes and torture. They have been tortured into confessing their crimes and then locked up indefinitely without trial because their confessions - achieved through torture - will not stand up in court."
And as Nicole points out in the later post about this topic, we all own this, not just CNN.
I am not trying to have anything both ways. That has been my position throughout this discussion. I understand your visceral emotional reaction to the video. But by continuing to defend a knee-jerk reaction, you embrace the same dehumanization of the soldiers that you pretend to abhor. You can either try to understand their actions by admitting to yourself that they are human, or you can judge them from atop your ivory tower. The choice is yours.
This is what happens to corrupt, morally bankrupt empires. Even the so called "progressives" end up joining in excusing the crimes and atrocities of the empire because we're "special" and "exceptional." You can guarantee that if this we're reversed the same people would be screaming for drone strikes.
MikeD,
Rob Reiner said pretty much the same thing on Real Time with Bill Maher Friday night. And I am sorry, but no one would ever accuse Mr. Reiner of being a war hungry conservative.
War, by its very definition, is uncivil. Each act we commit in a war is an uncivil act. And as Mr. Reiner also pointed out, when we put men and women into war, uncivil acts that "shock the conscience" are going to occur. He, you and I don't excuse these atrocities, but we do acknowledge how these atrocities can come about.
That acknowledgement doesn't make us any less human or even liberal. I think just the opposite. It makes us more human and more liberal. We are being honest and not just emotional.
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that's what I was trying to say.
You have to forgive the detractors. They sometimes can't see the forest for the trees. At least we don't walk lockstep in thought!
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An ironic reply to a post titled "Agree completely..."
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I am not saying that you are excusing this action by the troops. But by using one of the most intellectually lazy fallacies trying to have it both ways, you are in fact excusing this action by the troops.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
is sticking to your simplistic emotional response. It' beneath you.
the irony!
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
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"....where the troops can't tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys"....." Yes. But marking them after they're dead does not help. And people, and I use that word cautiously, that publicly condone this sort of crime, and I use THAT word literally, are an affront to everything the USA likes to say shows our 'moral and ethical superiority above the rest of the world.' A pretty bold thing to say in the first place, and a trait quite lacking in the last half century.
While I get the higher ground you're so intent on taking, you only have a point dependent on who you're accusing of being naive and hypocritical.
We know sh*t like this happens even when a supposed "civilized" nation sends it's warrior class on a supposed higher moral ground mission to bomb and shoot up another land.
We are not outraged because we are surprised.
We are outraged because it happened.
Go tell some idiot pro-war person how much of a dick they're being for being outraged at this- I just don't see many people here on C&L that fit that description.(but perhaps I'm being naive)
What's the point of urinating on a corpse? The target of the desecration is dead, there is nothing it can do to harm you anymore, and you certainly are not going to intimidate it in any way. The only reason I can think of is Fear. Fear that somehow killing the person isn't quite enough to protect you. It's the ultimate act of cowardice. Even running away from the enemy in the heat of the battle is less cowardly - there's at least the purpose of preserving one's life. But to desecrate a body that is no longer a threat? You've got some issues to deal with guys.
"It's the ultimate act of cowardice. Even running away from the enemy in the heat of the battle is less cowardly"
Running away from battle means you put the rest of your squad and company in peril. You abandon them out of your own self interest. That is by far the more cowardly act IMO. I do agree that urinating on a corpse is essentially a sign of fear. But (thank God) not being in the position of being in a foreign country where people want to kill me every day I can't be as sure as you are what I might do in such a situation.
Its an attempt to dehumanize the enemy, by treating them as worthless subhuman items. The other side of the coin is that soldiers who do this sort of thing most likely aren't real concerned whether the people they kill are actually the enemy and not civilians. These marines are long past the point of keeping any semblance of humanity.
slice of skin to make a souveneir lampshade from when you get home.
Nothing wrong with that, is there?
We're number one!
Where is the line drawn! Ugh.
Ilse Koch! USA! USA!
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
can house the very ugliest of souls.
And, as someone mentioned above, if it's SO IMPORTANT, why aren't YOU helping to fight this "war," Ms. Douche?
'Cause she's a female chickenhawk, that's why!
And because in real combat, I'm sure you'd piss in your 'trou' long before you could drop them.
That, and the person trying to kill you will probably one of your own. Fragging you would definitely save more than a few lives in the unit.
Great hire, CNN!
What, Eva Braun and Mussolini's mistress are too dead to put on the air?
Also, to prove Dana's not the daughter, I think we need a sperm sample from Ann Coulter.
Won't be long and this ignorant, frustrated bitch, will be on Faux Noise with assinine comments like that. Faux Noise and CNN are certainly on the same page with their sick entertainment shows.
type:
dana loesch is a
into google. 3 responses appear:
an idiot
a liar
a hottie
yep. That's about it - she's a cute lying idiot. Let's hear it for freedom of the press!
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
I'm hoping to Google bomb her name with "drop trou" and "golden showers." Give her the Santorum treatment.
golden showers
Pissing on live people is another thing altogether.
far left loon >.<
Drop em Dana
Since you realistically will never have the opportunity to urinate on the corpse of a Muslim human being, the next logical move to be to urinate on the Koran. The world awaits your tinkle Dana.
DiddyMao
I don't ever recall her looking that cute on TV.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Somewhere, Chuck Berry has a stiffie.
The good news is all these tightly wound soldiers are going to come home some day.
thankfully they will be allowed to carry concealed weapons in our nation's parks! Phew. I feel safer already.
with loesch.
TeaNN must be sooo proud that they got to hit bottom before Fux.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
goal...would be the prevention of future 911's....
And yet so many seem to keep begging for more...
We're All Guilty of Dehumanizing the Enemy
But of course they have dehumanized the enemy - otherwise they would have to face the enormous guilt and anguish of killing other human beings. Rather than demonstrate a callous disregard for the enemy, this awful incident might reveal something else: a desperate attempt by confused young men to convince themselves that they haven't just committed their first murder - that they have simply shot some coyotes on the back 40.
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When the war on terror started, the Marines in that video were probably 9 or 10 years old. As children they heard adults - and political leaders - talk about our enemies in the most inhuman terms. The Internet and the news media are filled with self-important men and women referring to our enemies as animals that deserve little legal or moral consideration. We have sent enemy fighters to countries like Syria and Libya to be tortured by the very regimes that we have recently condemned for engaging in war crimes and torture. They have been tortured into confessing their crimes and then locked up indefinitely without trial because their confessions - achieved through torture - will not stand up in court.
"We're all guilty of dehumanizing the enemy" that sums up what I was trying to say above.
in the future in a Newt Gingrich presidency (which will never happen but play along for a second) who would be applauding the rounding up of and beheadings of those liberal members in his administration who didn't agree with him!
Seriously, she and the tea tards scare the hell out of me.
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
UP w/Chis Hayes - "Guantanamo Bay Is The Real Face Of America"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0UCgCi6yS0
Democracy Now - Long Interview with another Former Detainee
Guantánamo Exclusive: Former Chief Prosecutor, Ex-Detainee Call On Obama To Close Prison 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdKdxFPxf44
Guantánamo Exclusive: Former Chief Prosecutor, Ex-Detainee Call On Obama To Close Prison 2 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPwVfo0TA7g
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Khalid Shiek Mohammad's trial coming along?
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
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Janek
and put away wet Anne Coulter, the 00's aryan Thug pinup witch.
me-oww!
Very descriptive. Gold star.
far left loon >.<
I seems to me hat CNN should never let her on that channel ever again. It is their only out. the woman is a horrible human being. Anybody who thinks it is ok for a Marine to urinate on a corpse is a horrible person. Period. Does CNN want the world to hold them (CNN) up as an example of what America is when they (CNN) puts this woman on the air as if her opinion or commentary is valid.
they would have fired her IMMEDIATELY. They are not, CNN is a joke.
"someone who is part of an organization that killed over three thousand Americans"
What organization is that, Dana?
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
They are pissing on the Bill of Rights and Constitution of this country, and all of us are having about the same reaction.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
But these two imbeciles and an absurd and offensive show called Early Start:
http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/genemueller/1371...
I have seen some ridiculous trash on TV in my time but this is just about the worst ever. Calling Kerry Kennedy at 5AM to get her take on her father's assassination? Say WHAT? Calling a wrong number and impersonating the FBI? These dopes are like sniveling 10 year olds prank calling a cute boy--except that now they are sociopathic and clueless adult media prostitutes that will do anything for money and recognition.
CNN--giving Fox a run for their money in the media's race to the sewer.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Make Fux and Fiends seem downright newsy.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Piss on the Wall
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Looks like she's campaigning to to be the next reigning queen of hate, following a succession of Coulter and Malkin.
She looks like she is of the prime age to join up. I'm sure the Marines could put her to work. No, come to think of it, the Marines probably wouldn't take her: She has no moral integrity; she's the kind of person who would do things that bring disgrace upon the Corps, like "dropping trou" and peeing on corpses.
I doubt she has the gumption or smarts to bring her instincts to fruition like a real psychopath would.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
that many in this thread who are outraged by the pissing video found a way to rationalize the body desecration committed by Iraqis in Falluja and Somalis in Mogadishu. These atrocities happen in every war because killing and being shot at freaks people out.
so we get to do it is a simpltons excuse I thought was learned in the 2nd grade. Remember the whole 'bridge' and 'jump' thing?
by the "pissing video" have found a way to rationalize the body desecrations you cite
With 11-1/2 months left to go in the year, I think we can safely award the title to Ms. Loess. She's the winner, hands down. Or is it pants down?
How can her parents NOT be proud of her? What a sweet human being.
Is a phrase that does not make sense. Watching reruns of "It"?
Please don't be too hard on the Loesch. Pretty sure to her taking a piss on someone is just foreplay.
If not now, when?
There is not one American corporate TV news station that puts facts before profits.
Do we even know the dead bodies are Taliban? (Not that that should make a difference.one way or the other.)
They says so, but how do we know they aren't just villagers that got caught in the crossfire?
far left loon >.<
It doesn't matter.
"I remember one woman walking by," said Jason Washburn, a corporal in the US Marines who served three tours in Iraq. He told the audience at the Winter Soldier hearings that took place March 13-16, 2008, in Silver Spring, Maryland, "She was carrying a huge bag, and she looked like she was heading toward us, so we lit her up with the Mark 19, which is an automatic grenade launcher, and when the dust settled, we realized that the bag was full of groceries. She had been trying to bring us food and we blew her to pieces."
There is another knock on effect of this, the latest in a line of on film or on photo US balls ups in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This is beng reported in the UK press with a universal condemnation and sense of utter horror. The reason being, as we learned to our soldiers costs when those clowns painted "Jesus Killed Mohammed" on their Bradley and shot up a village, that the resulting increase in insurgent attacks in response to these outrages gets OUR troops killed as well.
Putting it frankly my US chums if this carries on you will find yourselves without any backup in the future. The Bush era left the UK/US "special relationship" in tatters, and this and other reported US military abuses are shredding what is left.
In the UK, when we uncover offenses like ths, we dishonourably discharge the idiots responsble and slam them up in prison, and make that very public so there can be no doubt that justice was done. I suggest you do the same, and shut idiots like Perry and the rest of these chickenhawk arsehats up.
I know Im a commie pinko nancy euro Brit who comes from a country that doesnt have constituted free speech and a big brother state controlled media (thats sarcasm by the way) but at least in the UK this utter disgrace would find herself off the air quicker than spit.....as would all the rest of the right wing racist hate mongering bigots like Savage and Limbaugh. See we can tell the difference between reasonable free speech and dangerous and racist incitement, and make sure these Lord Haw Haw goofs dont get airtime. Agan, I suggestyou consider that..... if you think the world cant hear all this bile, and the Islamist recruiters aint listening either, you really are daft.
That or dig a lot more plots in Arlington and prepare for an influx of bodybags and grieving parents.
These idiots pissed on the Marine Corps, and all of America....and yes you damn well do own that.
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