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Happy Festivus!

It is now time for the ritual airing of the grievances and feats of strength.

Open thread below...

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Mom, Wife, Media Critic/Political Analyst, Blogger, Austen Fanatic, Unapologetic Liberal NicoleBelle@crooksandliars.com
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CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

for the rest of us!


Some stuff you can't make up!

Johnny2Bad's picture
Ok.

I've got alot of problems with you people!!!


"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."

had a Snuggie, and I'm embarrassed to admit that. ;)

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays, etc. for everyone who we won't be seeing tomorrow or Friday (good for you! :D ).


"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui

calgarylady's picture

Snuggies for everyone, I say!

The "airing of the grievances" gave me a good laugh. Thanks, Nicole!

SKdeA_Miss1929's picture

It's Pepto-Bismol pink! And since he gave it to me early, I guess it's a Festivus gift.

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

and a spaceheater.


Some stuff you can't make up!

xagzan's picture

"It's time for the airing of grievances. I got a lotta problems with you people! And now you're gonna hear about them!"

Roket's picture

And I mean that most succinctly, also too.

Abbybwood's picture

"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

fiver's picture

Merry Christmas to you and those you love.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

calgarylady's picture

Merry Christmas to you and yours!

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

very nice card.


Some stuff you can't make up!

Abbybwood's picture

!


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

tonight the furbrood is getting their prezzies. Stockings with toys and treats. :)

Merry Christmas everyone! :D


"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui

real_earl's picture

yeah yeah ... tell it to the Choir ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yChwJyOL9vc


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Ape-Man's picture

May your kindness and empathy shine bright! Kindness and empathy belong to us all - humans, bonobos, even Repuglicans at Christmas time - some of them that is... so enjoy!


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Capt. Bat Guano's picture

All my grievances are with our elected officials and there masters. And happy, merry what the hell ever to all. And a very big thanks to John Amato for his wonderful creation.


Generally speaking I don't trust anyone making over 150K a year.

real_earl's picture

Yes thanks to Mr Amato, and to such a great bunch of folks to comiserate when the madness and insanity makes no sense whatsoever, ... and then there's politics :)


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ron's picture

Posters here were celebrating in full glory today airing their grievances.

fiver's picture

We are tired of watching as year after year candidates offer up detailed health care plans with great fanfare and promise only to see them crushed under the weight of Washington politics and drug and insurance lobbying once the campaign is over. That is not who we are; that is not who we have to be. Enough is enough. It is time for us to change.

Barack Obama was right; so is David Sirota: We are tired.

This has been depressing, infuriating, and exhausting. But so were the Hillary wars, and we did find some common ground eventually.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Karen's picture

I'm so tired of being tired of my government. I know that corruption is human, and has existed since our species evolved. I know America has been imperfect since its inception, and life is certainly better today than it was during times of, say, slavery or segregation.

But good grief, has the corruption ever been this bad? The 21st Century really sucks so far.

President Obama is saying he never campaigned on the public option. Yeah, and other people say he was never born in the United States. Congratulations, Mr. President for inviting that comparison. If you never campaigned on it, then I never voted for you.

Okay, done ranting. :)

Happy Pursuit of Happiness to All.

And for atheists who like Christmas, click here and here.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

ron's picture

he isn't the one who writes the bills. I don't think he realized that he would have 100% opposition from the republicans and 5 bluedogs. The final bill isn't written yet, so please quit the ranting and call your senators and congresspersons.

Karen's picture

Did you really ask me, "So what if he did campaign on it?" It's the kind of bald faced, easily debunked lie his predecessor tells.

he isn't the one who writes the bills.

You don't think the modern U.S. president has a hand in legislation? Are you serious? He's not supposed to, but the veto power makes it inevitable. Modern presidents influence legislation like crazy, and he could have fought for the public option, but chose not to. He went from "any bill I sign will have a public option" to "I never said we had to have one" all too easily.

I don't think he realized that he would have 100% opposition from the republicans and 5 bluedogs.

Barack Obama is not that stupid. He knew what would happen.

The final bill isn't written yet, so please quit the ranting and call your senators and congresspersons.

Ranting here late at night and calling my representatives are not mutually exclusive activities. I can, and do, do both, thank you.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

ron's picture

have to be that stupid not to understand how much the corporate fascist oligarchy would spend in opposing the bills and bribe the lawmakers.

... of that bribe money.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

ron's picture

is not the same as what the blue dogs and the accepted from these corporate thugs. When he was running, do you really think he was soliciting funds from the corporate fascists? His staff may have been or may have accepted them without thinking about the repercussions but you have to take a look at how the funds were donated and I don't have that answer.

fiver's picture

The only one I can think of is an implied or expressed quid pro quo. If you're not being bribed, and you didn't make promises in exchange for the cash, then you're free to ignore the wishes of even your largest donors/bundlers.

But Obama cut a back room deal with PhRMA - with Billy Tauzin of all people - after receiving millions from the pharmaceutical companies. These corporations are just too good at getting a return on their investment for me to believe they gave him that amount of money, then got such an industry favorable bill, out of mere coincidence.

And why else would Obama have the FDA declare that Canadian drugs weren't safe and block re-importation?


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Karen's picture

If he truly did not realize what we all knew from the Clinton days, what many people forecast, he's a gigantic moron.

But the problem is the opposite. His strategy from the beginning was not to get on the wrong side of the corporations that killed Clinton's efforts. And his chief of staff was ready to bargain just about everything away in order to get something.

The problem is that he realized it all too well. He's not naive and he's not stupid.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

... but I doubt Emmanuel bargained away anything at all. He was AHIP and PhRMA's representative from the start.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Karen's picture

Fair enough. :)

He was willing to convince Democrats that getting any bill passed was so important that they had to be willing to bargain away almost everything they desired.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

JohnnyBravo's picture

would have been better than this bill! I've got a greivance to air! Obama showed me that he's just like 94 percent of all other politicians. Lied through his teeth with pretty but empty slogans. Then a year after he gets into office, he tells the people who supported him and voted for him to shut up and accept the screwjob they've been handed.

All I want for Christmas is a credibile third or fourth party candidate to kick Obama out of the House in 2012. And he can take his "Hope" and "Change" with him!


NOBODY 2012

Original Col Kilgore's picture

The thing that strikes me most about the current bunch of corrupt bastards is that how brash and cocky they are. They all seem to be made out of teflon now. The more they get away with ? The more emboldened they become. What ever happened to " conflict of interest " too ? Its as if it don't exist anymore.

Happy Festivus to all of us.

JohnnyBravo's picture

Man, I wish that was still around. Seriously, these asses aren't even hiding the corruption anymore.


NOBODY 2012

Edwin's picture

I'm an atheist that likes Christmas. I think Jesus lived and was way cool, so I have no problem with him. I just don't believe he is the (miracle) son of god. I like all the friendship, love and sharing. We can't really say "peace on earth" with wars going on, but goodwill toward men works for me.


far left loon >.<

Karen's picture

You might like the links, then. (Just to clarify . . . I wasn't posting links to dissuade you.)

;)


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

Edwin's picture

No dissuasion felt here. Listening to White Wine in the Sun right now.

Did I mention, I'm a sucker for pulling out all the old decorations and I'm a sucker for childhood memories of Christmas, too?

I don't care for the presents part, or consumerism. In our house Christmas Eve was an open house for friends of the family.

Now I'm in Korea and, well, NOTHING happens. But that's OK too.


far left loon >.<

Timjoebillybob's picture

To steal a line from the song.
It has nice chords but the lyrics are dodgy.

Although I have no problem with the sentiments expressed.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

President Obama is saying he never campaigned on the public option.

Why is anyone surprised. He said he would fight on FISA, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and sent money. When the fight came he turned 180° and ran with the Fascists. I was immediately off his bus.

If one says categorically one thing and then does the exact opposite, what is that but treachery?

Where I come from, you might fool me once, but I will be damned if you fool me twice.

In 2003 Obama said he was for single payer, in the campaign he disavowed every saying he was for single payer.

In the campaign he said he was for a public option, now he disavows saying he was for a public option.

Who should be surprised?

Why bother believing anything he says. Wait to see what he does.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Karen's picture

I'm not surprised when promises are broken. Obama was hardly my first, second or third choice in the primaries. My hopes for his presidency went as far as hoping he could stem the country's bleeding well enough to buy us some time to prevent self destruction.

That he bargained away the public option is not a surprise. That he never really wanted it is not a surprise.

I guess I'm surprised that he was dumb enough to say that he never advocated the public option during the campaign. I'm surprised that he's telling Bushevik-style, easily debunked lies that have an immediate impact on the party's electoral prospects.

In other words, I'm not surprised by the lie, but the brazen style of the lie.

Perhaps I shouldn't be.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

luis stoole's picture

mix in bowl:
1/4 cup smooth peanut butter
1 tbsp teriyaki sauce (or just pour some in)
2 tbsp raisins (or just toss some in)
2 tbsp whole spanish peanuts (or just toss some in)

spread on whole grain bread slices
cover with jalepeno peppers
add plain bread slice to complete sandwiches (about 3-4)

now yell at sandwich:
"why can't you be a peanut butter and jelly!?!? why can't you be a peanut butter and jelly!?!?"
then eat.

real_earl's picture

its getting late and some poe.. peoep... people may have been ...overserved .... step away from that 'sandwich' ;-)

Your Maitre D for this evn ...evening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkHjnA6myl4&fe...


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CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

Some stuff you can't make up!

Edwin's picture

innuendo lol


far left loon >.<

real_earl's picture

.... and wherever anybody else is tonite!


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Edwin's picture

Thanks _earl. Merry Christmas to everyone: my heart is full. :)

(Man, I was a happy happy drunk back in the day. *The vid reminded me.)


far left loon >.<

luis stoole's picture

i was checking out the related foster brooks videos on youtube and there was one of what sounded like a home recording of him singing the "12 days of christmas" with that ol' foster brooks bend. i assume it is a home recording because i heard a dog bark in the background and there is a lot of "air" to the recording.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsZGhJih5qI

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

Carl Bernstein: US Congress Is Corrupt, Systemically Broken (VIDEO)

During an appearance on MSNBC's Morning Joe today journalist and author Carl Bernstein lamented that the debate over and the writing of health care reform legislation has shown us "Congress at its worst."

Bernstein harshly critiques the nation's legislative branch as a body that is "responsive only to money and special interests" while ignoring the public and national interest:

The bad news is the really great problem in this country is the systemic breakdown of one of the three branches of government: the Congress of the United States. And until it's repaired, [Obama] and this country are going to be undermined. We could have had health care legislation in a meaningful way that would have gone twice as far at solving our budget and our health care problems, but because of the irresponsibility and the systemic corruption of the United States Congress, we don't.


Some stuff you can't make up!

Karen's picture
Yep

Does he have any solutions to suggest?


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

CoIntelPro.PronktasticlyAgainst.SCLM.E-Voting.Incumbents's picture

kept cutting him off whenever he referred to a repug.


Some stuff you can't make up!

Karen's picture

Good ol' Mimic Brzezinski.


Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?

Edwin's picture

AOG! Oddly, the big stuff doesn't bother me. We're screwed anyway. It's the little pet peeves, or daily stuff, and sheer stupidity that drives me around the bend. (Is that weird?)


far left loon >.<

fiver's picture
~

Pardon the ignorance, but I've thought and I've checked, and I can't figure out what AOG is. You're not a snake handler are you?


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Edwin's picture

Airing of the grievances. (See Festivus vidoe)

(I gave at the office?)


far left loon >.<

fiver's picture
~

Thanks. Saw the video; just didn't make the connection <:-I

[on edit] I kept getting "Assemblies of God" when I tried teh google.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

fiver's picture
~

Moscow Cat Theater

GNA

Merry Christmas.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Edwin's picture

My granny's Irish shortbread (for Christmas): you'll never have better. She never wrote it down, nor have I. It's one of those family recipes.

4~5 tbsp. brown sugar
1 cup salted butter (no substitutions!!!!)
2 1/2 c. flour

Blend butter and sugar with fork, add flour, make ball, roll out to 3/8" thick. Cut into cookie shapes (festive sprinkles on top if you like). Bake 325* till edge is a wee bit golden. PERFECT. Friends will rave!

(edit-- scroll down for how to-- impt.)


far left loon >.<

fiver's picture

2 1/2 cups of flour? (didn't "reply" so you could edit if you wish)


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Edwin's picture

Seriously, they've been loved by ALL for decades. Simple is best. I only make them once a year.

(edit made-- thx.)


far left loon >.<

fiver's picture

It looks almost easy enough so that even I'm not afraid to try. I'll probably make a mess of it, but it's all good :)


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Edwin's picture

They are easy, but take a lot of time. Have an afternoon avaiable. They're a bit fragile, so easy does it.

Don't cream the butter and sugar together!! Use cool butter. Blend the butter and sugar with a fork, and add the flour by bits, using the fork (and hands) to mix it in. You'll end up with a crumbly mixture. Then you work that into a ball in your hands, and later roll it out with a pin. (They have to be blended right, like pastry does too.)

A lot of cooking is HOW not what. Guess I should have said. That's stuff I know in my head. My bad.


far left loon >.<

fiver's picture
~

Thanx again. I'll let you know how it turns out.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

Edwin's picture

;)

Now I'm going to watch Rudolph. My sister sent the DVD last year and I've been waiting all year. Hope I don't cry when they get to the Island of Misfit Toys.


far left loon >.<

Timjoebillybob's picture

Thanks for clarifying that, I was thinking creaming the butter and sugar as in most cookie recipes. I think I'm going to have to try this. One question though, when you say salted butter, I assume it would be okay to use unsalted and add a pinch of salt? I don't think I have a cup of salted butter in the house, the only thing I use it for is for buttering bread, all my cooking is done with unsalted. But I'm talking American unsalted not "Irish", yes there is a difference, a big difference, "Irish" unsalted butter is made from cultured aka slightly fermented cream which adds a bit of acidity to it among other things. Which while terrific on bread and such I'm not so sure about it in sweets.

ETA one more question, when you say roll it into a ball and then roll out later, I'm assuming you mean like a standard pastry dough ie form it into a ball and let chill in the fridge for a few hours before rolling out.

And I defiantly understand about the easy but time consuming, my cream puffs are the same. People think they must be hard as hell to make but they are actually pretty simple, just takes time.

Edwin's picture

Yes, you could do that. Unsalted butter and a pinch of salt. My granny came from Ireland but cooked with stuff from the IGA at the end of her street. She never drove.

Now if only I could find her recipe for "Russian Balls". Mmmm- yummy: chocolate decadence!! Another Christmas favourite. They weren't really Russian balls, that's what my grandfather called them. He also spoke (fake)Japanese (I thought was real) and dressed like Col. Sanders. He gave me firecrackers and cigarettes to play with. Fun times!! I thought he was great.

(*No one cared about safety back then. The good old days!)


far left loon >.<

Timjoebillybob's picture

But they cared for safety back then, they just didn't have as big a stick up their arse about it as now. I remember when in my state all the "good" fireworks were illegal and my uncle drove about 3 hours each way to the state where they were legal and brought back a literal trunk load (this was back in the days of the 4 body trunks) dang we had fun for a few 4th of Julys, I remember well the bottle rocket wars. And amazingly no one ever lost an eye or a finger.

And if you describe these "russian balls" I might be able to find a close recipe, I have quite a few old cookbooks and my niece is a dessert chef. My cream puff recipe is out of an Antoinette Pope school which originally showed up in the late '40s my current copy is from the mid sixties though.

Edwin's picture

They were made with chocolate and coconut and were rich and creamy. There are lots of choc./coconut-type balls, but I've never had any others like hers, before or since, not anywhere. They were much better than the standard ones we all know. I know she got the recipe from a newspaper, probably in the 40s or 50s.


far left loon >.<

Timjoebillybob's picture

rolled in coconut? Or is the coconut mixed into the ball? I'm thinking from the description russian balls, chocolate rolled in coconut.

And I know what you mean about the newspaper recipes they can be very very very hard to find, I've got a few that have been copied and recopied since the '30s and an original or two that were cut out and handed down.

Edwin's picture

Now that you mention rolled, they have (rolled) oats in them. The coconut is inside the mixture (you can't see it.) They are round balls when done-- no coconut visible. They also have icing sugar in the mix.


far left loon >.<

Timjoebillybob's picture

You should be glad to know that your Grandfather was being pretty pc calling them Russian balls, from the sound of it they are a variation of a Swedish desert that are known as Negerboll (negro ball) aka the more pc name Chokladboll(chocolate ball) which usually is rolled in coconut. But I see no reason you couldn't mix the coconut in. And the time frame fits also, the '40 is when Scandanavian foods started to become popular in North America again ie Swedish meatballs.

Here is one recipe for it.
http://www.europe-cities.com/en/694/sweden/ea...
and one more
http://www.gretchencooks.com/recipes/732_NoBa...

Edwin's picture

I woke up in a "panic" (doubt). I haven't made the shortbreads since I came to Korea (1997), but I am certain about the blending method (not creaming the sugar and butter). It just felt/feels right: I don't cook from the paper/recipe.

The "Russian ball" recipes look similar, but it's been so long I can't be sure. I do know, the coconut (a fair bit) is mixed right into the mixture, and use icing sugar (but not sure how much). They are not cooked. Once they are done, they are rolled is some icing sugar. (Sweet) And they had a lot of chocolate (cocoa?) flavour to them. They're sort of creamy/firm: no crunch to them.

Good sleuth work and logic there Timjbb*

Recipe #2 looks better, use icing sugar, and (plain old) Quaker oats, and add in about 1 c (?) coconut. No coffee. (I'm guessing)

There was nothing politcally correct about my grandfather, and he was a real character. He was friendly and fun, not nasty.

OK, so now I got digging through my cigar box, and found this (shortbread)

3 tbsp. brown sugar
1/4 c. butter
1 1/2 c. flour
350*

That's all I wrote down. See, I just know when I do it myself, but there are no ovens in Korea, so it's been years. Experiment. It's only the butter that is different. More butter = richer cookie. I might have upped it myself. The original might have been Depression cooking?

Last update: bold recipe is original-- emailed my Mom. She makes them every year. (Try both?)


far left loon >.<

Timjoebillybob's picture

If your worried about climate change... EAT YOUR PETS. That's right folks, eat em up. A dogs carbon footprint is twice as bad as a SUV heck a cats is almost as bad a VW Golf. Heck you have two hamsters you might as well give them up and have a plasma TV. But rabbits are okay to have.... as long as you eat them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/l...

ETA I don't care what they say, I'm keeping my 110lb four footed friend (and am trying to talk my wife into another), and there is no way on Gods green earth they my wife is giving up her 23lb kitty. And just try to tell my Marine nephew that he can't have his kitten that were currently cat sitting.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I don't give my dogs SUV's to drive.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Timjoebillybob's picture

if the dogs were driving SUVs, the average temperature in Antarctica would probably be somewhere around 100c

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

This is America, commie

We speak in fahrenheits.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

"festivus" is as big a wank as "kwanzaa."


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Timjoebillybob's picture

we agree on something ;) hell must be getting ready to have its first snowball fight.

But you forgot to include "sweetest day".

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

I thought that was "sweetness day"

I also hate giving trees, great concept, but weak delivery.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Timjoebillybob's picture

we call it sweetest day, but it could be different in your neck of the woods. We're probably talking about the same "holiday",in Oct I think.

pissed off patricia's picture

No pissing and bitching and moaning from me today because this is Christmas eve. Sure we'll be sweating tomorrow on Christmas day, but we're used to that down here.

I hope Santa is extra sweet to one and all.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Your clap cleared up, did it.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

pissed off patricia's picture

Excuse me?


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Timjoebillybob's picture

to you PoP, and I hope you and everyone else has a very Merry Christmas. Whether you celebrate it or not.

LibertyLover's picture

Watching the Senate Gavel in...anyone else?


Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.

pissed off patricia's picture

I'm watching c-span and msnbc. Pretty cool event, actually.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

LibertyLover's picture

This is amazing viewing.


Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.

LibertyLover's picture

Wow.


Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.

pissed off patricia's picture

Yeah, this is big time. Mitch just whined about some of the Senators not being at home for a month. I'd like to hear him whine about that to the military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan this morning.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

LibertyLover's picture

And sleeping on cots in the desert, no less.


Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.

pissed off patricia's picture

My husband put a present for me under our tree last night after I went to bed. He sort of hid it with some other gifts that were already there. This morning when I got up, my little dog, Martini, ran to the tree and sniffed the present as if to show me it was there. I wouldn't have noticed it if he hadn't pointed it out to me. Martini just cannot keep a secret.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Maybe she's tipsy.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Kate's picture

...what was it???

LibertyLover's picture

ONE. Republican. Will. Vote. For. This.


Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.

pissed off patricia's picture

I hope the American people take note of this party of "NO". Especially parents with kids who can't get insurance for pre existing conditions as well as adults.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Interesting.

I wonder how many others wanted to vote for it but cannot for political reasons?

Voting on continuance to fund the troops now...


Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.

pissed off patricia's picture

Good for Senator Byrd for being able to get out and make these votes recently. I guess all that praying the republicans did just didn't work.

There had to be republicans that deep in their heart wanted to vote for it but they knew if they did they would have to face the wrath of the tea baggers and others. I think you would call that being a coward or something akin to that.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

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